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Re: MICE marketing

by AnthonyAnderberg＠nuvera.net

IXP access is the best solution, but I’ve also added average values to the aggregate graphs for good measure. Thanks everyone, anthony From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)SOUTHFRONT.IO> Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 7:45 AM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE marketing I think this is just a matter of giving access to the api in ixp manager. I will take a look and follow up with pch. On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 11:01 PM Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com<mailto:rlaager@wiktel.com>> wrote: We are in the process of converting to IXP Manager. Will that provide the data you need? If so, then it’s not likely worth fiddling with much more now. If IXP Manager won’t provide the data, then it sounds like we should add the average to the graph? -- Richard > On Mar 11, 2022, at 22:50, Bill Woodcock <woody(a)pch.net<mailto:woody@pch.net>> wrote: > > > >> On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:53 AM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com<mailto:rlaager@wiktel.com>> wrote: >> >> https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir lists "Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange" as having an average of 1K of traffic. > > Ah, you changed your traffic graph URL. I’ve updated to your new URL, and the new numbers should be reflected immediately. Also, the graph you produce doesn’t show your average (which is the only economically-significant number), and we’re in the process of rewriting our code (which broke) that calculates average values from graph bitmaps, and if you’re making your raw data available, we don’t have a URL for it… Everything goes smoothest when we can pull raw data rather than scraping from the bitmap. With 800 IXPs to collect data from every day, the ones that are fully automated scale well, but the ones that require a human being to go do something don’t scale well for us, since we’re only about twenty people. > > -Bill > ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 15, 2022

Re: MICE marketing

by Jay Hanke

It's updated on PCH to pull from the MICE IXP Manager. On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 9:12 PM Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > I emailed Bill Woodcock at PCH. Hopefully PCH can update that. > > On 3/11/22 16:04, Miles McCredie wrote: > > One other comment on the marketing side – It would be handy to have PCH > update > https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir#!mt-filters=%7B%22ctry%22%3A%5B%22dropdown%22%2… > . > > > > I received a snarky comment from someone about the 1Kbps average traffic > that they are showing. > > > > > > *Miles McCredie * > Network Engineer - Architect > > Office: 6052755192 > Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com > > *Midco.com* > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > -- > Richard > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 14, 2022

Re: Please welcome StackPath to MICE!

by Doug McIntyre

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 06:00:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >Name: StackPath >Switch: MICE Core >Port: 3/27/1 -> Po21 & 6/20/1 -> Po25 >ASN: 33438 >IPv4: 206.108.255.189/24 & 206.108.255.190/24 >IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:829E::1/64 & 2001:504:27:0:0:829E::2/64 >Peering Contact: peering(a)stackpath.com >Route Servers: YES >BFD: No I've added them to the RR's, so they should be all set. Welcome!

March 12, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by Dean Bahls

I’m going to chime in on this as well. I think it is reasonable to ask someone participating in those meetings to keep a summary of what is being discussed. It does not have to be overly detailed, making it burdensome, but it is the right thing to do. In fact, I think the bylaws make a few references regarding minutes or records taken in Board of Governors meetings. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 8:57 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Board Minutes I agree with Jeremy. Lets at least get some type of brief summary information about decisions made by the board included at the UG meetings. I think most Minnesotans like to believe that there is somewhat open governance in the state. Even though it doesn't apply to MICE, I suspect that Minnesota's Open Meeting law has created that perception. I don't think it is unreasonable to keep members informed about what MICE related topics are being discussed, challenges faced by the organization, and the decisions made at the board level. n 3/11/22 20:08, Jeremy Lumby wrote: While I can understand that formal minutes may imply too much detail/work, there needs to be a middle ground so that the members can see how the people they elected to represent them are doing so. I am open to suggestions. It could be something as simple as Topic X was discussed, and will be continued at another time, or Topic Y was discussed, and the final (summary) opinion of each board member is… Having this final outcome in mind might actually help get the conversation towards an outcome so that things do not go around in circles for 3 hours. Alternate suggestions are welcomed. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 7:27 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Board Minutes Board meetings are just not always formal...having to have minutes of them would be difficult. We had a 3 hour long conference call about things a week ago...if we had to keep minutes on that, it would have been a nightmare. Reid On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:22 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> > wrote: Since we did not have much open discussion time at the end of today's meeting, I wanted to propose a change for the procedure that the board follows. I propose that the board start taking, and publishing minutes from board meetings. This would allow the membership to see how the board members were voting/representing their interests. It would also be invaluable information for the voting members to have in the event that we ever had a contested election again. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> -- Reid Fishler Senior Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1

March 12, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by Steve Howard

March 12, 2022

Re: MICE marketing

by Jay Hanke

I think this is just a matter of giving access to the api in ixp manager. I will take a look and follow up with pch. On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 11:01 PM Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > We are in the process of converting to IXP Manager. Will that provide the > data you need? If so, then it’s not likely worth fiddling with much more > now. > > If IXP Manager won’t provide the data, then it sounds like we should add > the average to the graph? > > -- > Richard > > > On Mar 11, 2022, at 22:50, Bill Woodcock <woody(a)pch.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:53 AM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > >> > >> https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir lists "Midwest Internet Cooperative > Exchange" as having an average of 1K of traffic. > > > > Ah, you changed your traffic graph URL. I’ve updated to your new URL, > and the new numbers should be reflected immediately. Also, the graph you > produce doesn’t show your average (which is the only > economically-significant number), and we’re in the process of rewriting our > code (which broke) that calculates average values from graph bitmaps, and > if you’re making your raw data available, we don’t have a URL for it… > Everything goes smoothest when we can pull raw data rather than scraping > from the bitmap. With 800 IXPs to collect data from every day, the ones > that are fully automated scale well, but the ones that require a human > being to go do something don’t scale well for us, since we’re only about > twenty people. > > > > -Bill > > >

March 12, 2022

Re: MICE marketing

by Richard Laager

We are in the process of converting to IXP Manager. Will that provide the data you need? If so, then it’s not likely worth fiddling with much more now. If IXP Manager won’t provide the data, then it sounds like we should add the average to the graph? -- Richard > On Mar 11, 2022, at 22:50, Bill Woodcock <woody(a)pch.net> wrote: > > > >> On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:53 AM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: >> >> https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir lists "Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange" as having an average of 1K of traffic. > > Ah, you changed your traffic graph URL. I’ve updated to your new URL, and the new numbers should be reflected immediately. Also, the graph you produce doesn’t show your average (which is the only economically-significant number), and we’re in the process of rewriting our code (which broke) that calculates average values from graph bitmaps, and if you’re making your raw data available, we don’t have a URL for it… Everything goes smoothest when we can pull raw data rather than scraping from the bitmap. With 800 IXPs to collect data from every day, the ones that are fully automated scale well, but the ones that require a human being to go do something don’t scale well for us, since we’re only about twenty people. > > -Bill >

March 12, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by Richard Laager

On 3/11/22 20:08, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > It could be something as simple as Topic X was discussed, and will be > continued at another time, or Topic Y was discussed, and the final > (summary) opinion of each board member is… I think it would be good to start doing something like that. -- Richard

March 12, 2022

Re: MICE marketing

by Richard Laager

I emailed Bill Woodcock at PCH. Hopefully PCH can update that. On 3/11/22 16:04, Miles McCredie wrote: > > One other comment on the marketing side – It would be handy to have > PCH update > https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir#!mt-filters=%7B%22ctry%22%3A%5B%22dropdown%22%2…. > > I received a snarky comment from someone about the 1Kbps average > traffic that they are showing. > > > > **Miles McCredie* * > Network Engineer - Architect > > Office: 6052755192 > Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com > > *Midco.com* > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > -- Richard

March 12, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by Jeremy Lumby

While I can understand that formal minutes may imply too much detail/work, there needs to be a middle ground so that the members can see how the people they elected to represent them are doing so. I am open to suggestions. It could be something as simple as Topic X was discussed, and will be continued at another time, or Topic Y was discussed, and the final (summary) opinion of each board member is… Having this final outcome in mind might actually help get the conversation towards an outcome so that things do not go around in circles for 3 hours. Alternate suggestions are welcomed. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 7:27 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Board Minutes Board meetings are just not always formal...having to have minutes of them would be difficult. We had a 3 hour long conference call about things a week ago...if we had to keep minutes on that, it would have been a nightmare. Reid On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:22 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: Since we did not have much open discussion time at the end of today's meeting, I wanted to propose a change for the procedure that the board follows. I propose that the board start taking, and publishing minutes from board meetings. This would allow the membership to see how the board members were voting/representing their interests. It would also be invaluable information for the voting members to have in the event that we ever had a contested election again. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com -- Reid Fishler Senior Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 12, 2022