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Please welcome AllWorldIT ZA to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: AllWorldIT ZA Switch: NOCIX Ports: E 5/17 ASN: 328112 IPv4: 206.108.255.231/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:5:01B0::1/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)as328112.net Route Servers: YES Welcome Aboard! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

April 26, 2024

Please welcome Amazon to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: Amazon Switch: MICE Core 511 Ports: adding 5/3/1 & 5/4/1 to portchannel 5 and adding 5/5/1 & 5/6/1 to portchannel 24 for a total of 2x4x100G ASN: IPv4: All IP info remains the same, this is a 4x100G port addition IPv6: Peering Contact: peering-amer(a)amazon.com Route Servers: NO Welcome Aboard Again! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

April 26, 2024

Peering Summit Bus Mankato->Kansas City

by Jay Hanke

The Midwest Peering Summit bus is a go. Here's the schedule: Wednesday 6/12/2024 10:00 AM Leave Mankato, We have free parking available 5:20 PM Arrive at Westin Crown Plaza Kansas City Friday 6/14/2024 4:00 PM Leave Kansas City Westin Crown Plaza Kansas City 11:25 PM Arrive in Mankato Cost is $150.00 round trip per person There is space on the bus to transport down exhibit equipment as well if needed. Email mwps(a)southfront.io to register. -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 507-327-2398 https://southfront.io/

April 24, 2024

Re: MWPS 2024 Transportion

by Jay Hanke

We're just under 100 registered right now, maybe 15 of those are MICErs so far. We have space for 300 so should be less crowded this year. On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 12:13 PM Steve Howard <showard(a)paulbunyan.net> wrote: > > Hi Jay, > > Did you get a good sized group from MICE going to the Peering Summit? Or do you have a site that show who's registered? > > I'm debating about whether to attend and bring Lisa (she'll be taking over some of my duties when I retire later this year). I just want to make sure enough familiar faces are going to be there to justify the expense! > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > On 3/14/24 11:42, Jay Hanke wrote: > > If I had a coach bus going from MN to Kansas City Peering Summit, are > others interested? > > > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 18, 2024

Re: MWPS 2024 Transportion

by Steve Howard

April 18, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by David Farmer

My understanding is that AWS and Microsoft have deployed Peering Routers and backbone capacity here in the Twin Cities. However, Google back-hauls our peering to its Chicago Peering Routers. While I'm disappointed by this, we have to remember Google was the first Cloud provider to interconnect to MICE, and they were critical to our early growth. While I encourage Google to deploy Peering Routers and backbone capacity here in the Twin Cities, they have to do this on their own timetable. Nevertheless, because of their early participation in MICE, I refuse to criticize Google too harshly and trust they will eventually deploy Peering Routers and backbone capacity here in the Twin Cities. Thanks. On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 8:32 AM Jay Hanke < 0000001ddf7fafbb-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > I don't think MSP is a small market. MICE (by participants) is the 13th > largest in the US and Cologix is packed with networks and ~57th globally. > > There is at least another order of magnitude of traffic on PNI links in > the market vs MICE in MSP. The large CDN networks are doing terabits of > traffic in MSP. > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 8:14 AM Dean Bahls <dean.bahls(a)fiberminnesota.com> > wrote: > >> Does anyone besides me think there is more to this than Minneapolis being >> a small market? Could they be enticed to the other peering core to solve >> this issue? >> >> >> >> Dean >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Michael >> Hare >> *Sent:* Friday, April 5, 2024 8:04 AM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for >> Route-Servers in your IX >> >> >> >> While 200G isn’t small to us, it is very small to them. That’s one >> middle size PNI peer for them in the Chicago market. >> >> >> >> AS3128 was affected by the Google MICE IX depeering and while I didn’t >> like it, they did provide us an alternative in the Minneapolis area that we >> decided to decline. >> >> >> >> -Michael >> >> >> >> *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Jeremy >> Lumby >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:18 PM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for >> Route-Servers in your IX >> >> >> >> What bothers me the most is Google has a habit of always saying that >> Minneapolis is a small market, and they cannot justify building out a node >> here. However every intermediate thing that they do fills to capacity >> shortly after they turn it up, so it definitely does not match their >> perception of the local market. >> >> >> >> *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Anthony >> Anderberg >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:13 PM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for >> Route-Servers in your IX >> >> >> >> Ah yes, the “congratulations you qualify to spend your money to make our >> life easier” emails… know them well. :-) >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Ben Wiechman < >> 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago. >> >> >> >> *Ben Wiechman* >> >> Director of Network Strategy and Engineering >> >> 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com >> >> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/arvig.com__;!!Mak6IKo!IgzwFPWYeQyvY7nRsO2…> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. >> Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions. >> >> >> It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes >> near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that >> missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding >> their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum. >> >> >> >> Corey >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg < >> AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net> wrote: >> >> Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to >> create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already >> done so. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of >> Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> >> *Reply-To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >> *Date: *Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM >> *To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >> *Subject: *Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for >> Route-Servers in your IX >> >> >> >> They did it to MICE back in December >> >> >> >> *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Richard >> Laager >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for >> Route-Servers in your IX >> >> >> >> I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same >> thing here? >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> >> *Subject: * >> >> Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) >> >> *Date: * >> >> Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) >> >> *From: * >> >> Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> >> >> *To: * >> >> members(a)seattleix.net >> >> >> >> FYI from Google... >> >> Chris >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 >> From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com> >> <peering-ops(a)google.com> >> To: info(a)seattleix.net >> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX >> >> Dear Internet Exchange, >> >> As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase >> routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix >> information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with >> the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the >> change in your IX in the next few weeks. >> >> We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral >> sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that >> rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session >> request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/isp.google.com/iwantpeering__;!!Mak6IKo!…> >> >> We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these >> future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they >> desire to do so. >> >> Sincerely, >> Google Network Operations >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

April 5, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Jay Hanke

I don't think MSP is a small market. MICE (by participants) is the 13th largest in the US and Cologix is packed with networks and ~57th globally. There is at least another order of magnitude of traffic on PNI links in the market vs MICE in MSP. The large CDN networks are doing terabits of traffic in MSP. On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 8:14 AM Dean Bahls <dean.bahls(a)fiberminnesota.com> wrote: > Does anyone besides me think there is more to this than Minneapolis being > a small market? Could they be enticed to the other peering core to solve > this issue? > > > > Dean > > > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Michael > Hare > *Sent:* Friday, April 5, 2024 8:04 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for > Route-Servers in your IX > > > > While 200G isn’t small to us, it is very small to them. That’s one middle > size PNI peer for them in the Chicago market. > > > > AS3128 was affected by the Google MICE IX depeering and while I didn’t > like it, they did provide us an alternative in the Minneapolis area that we > decided to decline. > > > > -Michael > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Jeremy > Lumby > *Sent:* Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:18 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for > Route-Servers in your IX > > > > What bothers me the most is Google has a habit of always saying that > Minneapolis is a small market, and they cannot justify building out a node > here. However every intermediate thing that they do fills to capacity > shortly after they turn it up, so it definitely does not match their > perception of the local market. > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Anthony > Anderberg > *Sent:* Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:13 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for > Route-Servers in your IX > > > > Ah yes, the “congratulations you qualify to spend your money to make our > life easier” emails… know them well. :-) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Ben Wiechman < > 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > > > > They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago. > > > > *Ben Wiechman* > > Director of Network Strategy and Engineering > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/arvig.com__;!!Mak6IKo!IgzwFPWYeQyvY7nRsO2…> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. > Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions. > > > It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes > near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that > missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding > their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum. > > > > Corey > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg < > AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net> wrote: > > Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to > create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already > done so. > > > > > > *From: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jeremy > Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > *Reply-To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > *Date: *Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM > *To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > *Subject: *Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for > Route-Servers in your IX > > > > They did it to MICE back in December > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Richard > Laager > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers > in your IX > > > > I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same > thing here? > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > *Subject: * > > Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) > > *Date: * > > Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) > > *From: * > > Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> > > *To: * > > members(a)seattleix.net > > > > FYI from Google... > > Chris > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 > From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com> > <peering-ops(a)google.com> > To: info(a)seattleix.net > Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX > > Dear Internet Exchange, > > As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase > routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix > information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with > the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the > change in your IX in the next few weeks. > > We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral > sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that > rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session > request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/isp.google.com/iwantpeering__;!!Mak6IKo!…> > > We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these > future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they > desire to do so. > > Sincerely, > Google Network Operations > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

April 5, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Dean Bahls

Does anyone besides me think there is more to this than Minneapolis being a small market? Could they be enticed to the other peering core to solve this issue? Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Michael Hare Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 8:04 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX While 200G isn’t small to us, it is very small to them. That’s one middle size PNI peer for them in the Chicago market. AS3128 was affected by the Google MICE IX depeering and while I didn’t like it, they did provide us an alternative in the Minneapolis area that we decided to decline. -Michael From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:18 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX What bothers me the most is Google has a habit of always saying that Minneapolis is a small market, and they cannot justify building out a node here. However every intermediate thing that they do fills to capacity shortly after they turn it up, so it definitely does not match their perception of the local market. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Anthony Anderberg Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:13 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Ah yes, the “congratulations you qualify to spend your money to make our life easier” emails… know them well. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Ben Wiechman <0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/arvig.com__;!!Mak6IKo!IgzwFPWYeQyvY7nRsO2…> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com<mailto:coreyhauer@gmail.com>> wrote: I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions. It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum. Corey On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg <AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@nuvera.net>> wrote: Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already done so. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM>> Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX They did it to MICE back in December From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here? -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net><mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net> To: members(a)seattleix.net<mailto:members@seattleix.net> FYI from Google... Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com><mailto:peering-ops@google.com> To: info(a)seattleix.net<mailto:info@seattleix.net> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Dear Internet Exchange, As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks. We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/isp.google.com/iwantpeering__;!!Mak6IKo!…> We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so. Sincerely, Google Network Operations ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 5, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Michael Hare

While 200G isn’t small to us, it is very small to them. That’s one middle size PNI peer for them in the Chicago market. AS3128 was affected by the Google MICE IX depeering and while I didn’t like it, they did provide us an alternative in the Minneapolis area that we decided to decline. -Michael From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:18 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX What bothers me the most is Google has a habit of always saying that Minneapolis is a small market, and they cannot justify building out a node here. However every intermediate thing that they do fills to capacity shortly after they turn it up, so it definitely does not match their perception of the local market. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Anthony Anderberg Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:13 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Ah yes, the “congratulations you qualify to spend your money to make our life easier” emails… know them well. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Ben Wiechman <0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/arvig.com__;!!Mak6IKo!IgzwFPWYeQyvY7nRsO2…> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com<mailto:coreyhauer@gmail.com>> wrote: I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions. It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum. Corey On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg <AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@nuvera.net>> wrote: Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already done so. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM>> Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX They did it to MICE back in December From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here? -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net><mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net> To: members(a)seattleix.net<mailto:members@seattleix.net> FYI from Google... Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com><mailto:peering-ops@google.com> To: info(a)seattleix.net<mailto:info@seattleix.net> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Dear Internet Exchange, As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks. We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/isp.google.com/iwantpeering__;!!Mak6IKo!…> We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so. Sincerely, Google Network Operations ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-…>

April 5, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Jeremy Lumby

What bothers me the most is Google has a habit of always saying that Minneapolis is a small market, and they cannot justify building out a node here. However every intermediate thing that they do fills to capacity shortly after they turn it up, so it definitely does not match their perception of the local market. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Anthony Anderberg Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:13 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Ah yes, the “congratulations you qualify to spend your money to make our life easier” emails… know them well. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Ben Wiechman <0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net <mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net> > wrote: They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com <http://arvig.com> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com <mailto:coreyhauer@gmail.com> > wrote: I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions. It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum. Corey On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg <AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@nuvera.net> > wrote: Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already done so. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM <mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM> > Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX They did it to MICE back in December From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here? -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Chris Caputo <mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> To: members(a)seattleix.net <mailto:members@seattleix.net> FYI from Google... Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 From: Google Peering Operations <mailto:peering-ops@google.com> <peering-ops(a)google.com> To: info(a)seattleix.net <mailto:info@seattleix.net> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Dear Internet Exchange, As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks. We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so. Sincerely, Google Network Operations _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1

April 4, 2024