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Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Anthony Anderberg

The switch port is up so I'd guess it has power but there are no bits coming in so I'd assume the OS isn't up. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Route Server #1 I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Doug McIntyre

Sure, if you would check out power, network connectivity, etc. What is on the screen. The 2nd route server is up just fine. I'm not aware of any maintenance done on them by Mike (or myself) that would loose connectivity. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 02:56:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > I lost my connection as well. I happen to be at 511 right now. Physically it looks fine. Let me know if anyone wants me to do something with it (plug in keyboard/monitor/ect). > > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Route Server #1 > > > I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. > > Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Jeremy Lumby

I lost my connection as well. I happen to be at 511 right now. Physically it looks fine. Let me know if anyone wants me to do something with it (plug in keyboard/monitor/ect). From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Route Server #1 I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 02:51:33PM -0600, Justin Krejci wrote: > I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no > ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. > > Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? Yeah, it seems to be MIA. Looks like a physical issue. :-( We'll have to see if we can get some remote hands and eyes for some power issue. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

MICE Route Server #1

by Justin Krejci

I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: Q1 new members

by Brady Kittel

HCMC is looking at connecting sometime this calendar year if logistics work out on our end. I'd be more specific but we're too early in the process to know for sure at this point. Obviously I'll update once we have a more specific idea for time frame Also would be helpful to have an idea of yearly maintenance costs up front and a valid Org/LLC to bill our finance dept so they can cut a PO for them if needed. If the business structure were in place on MICE's end I don't think it would be difficult for us to justify at least $1k a year in maintenance to the cooperative for a 1Gb connection. I suspect you would find similar responses from other enterprises our size. I haven't read all the posts on this yet but can I suggest a maintenance model that charges the first year of maintenance up front and then ongoing yearly (plus obviously the optics) with a different rate for "enterprise" connections vs ISP/CDN/Regional network connections with low or no costs to ISP/CDN/Regional network connections or maybe just initial one time per port costs for them. It seems to me that the value of a peering cooperative to its members is the number of available peer connections to other local networks with the value of the peer exchange being tipped towards having more ISP/CDN connections. I think this would continue to encourage more ISP/CDN connections (which is what most of the network consists of now) while providing for the ongoing financial needs of the cooperative with connections from Orgs who aren't just comparing the value of the cooperative directly to the cost of wholesale IP transit like us. We spend a lot of money on point to point vpn tunnels between us and other peers in our sector and it would advantageous for us to encourage them to join the cooperative as it would allow us to drop considerable monthly P2P circuit costs while increasing available bandwidth vs our current P2P setup. Many of them already have a presence in 511 already (IE: Allina, UHG, MNet, Fairview, City of MPLS, Hennepin County Gov) that I've noticed during a short tour and I suspect some of the vendors we have circuits to may also have a presence (Phillips, Cerner, GE) in 511 as well. It seems to me that the goal right now is to grow the cooperative as much as possible by keeping the cost of entry very cheap or free to ISP/CDN/Regional networks to encourage growth and dare I say it "synergy" that results in bringing in enterprise connections to fund the cooperative ongoing. Just a thought, maybe its been discussed in some form before but thought it might be useful input. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > Just checking in for a status update if anyone knows of an update on new > members connecting. Last I heard Integra was going to wait to connect > after the holidays, and Netflix was looking at Q1 of this year. Please let > me know if anyone has any updates. > > I also remember something along the lines of maintenance fees going into > effect this year. Has anyone settled on a number yet? > > Jeremy > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 13, 2013

Q1 new members

by Jeremy Lumby

Just checking in for a status update if anyone knows of an update on new members connecting. Last I heard Integra was going to wait to connect after the holidays, and Netflix was looking at Q1 of this year. Please let me know if anyone has any updates. I also remember something along the lines of maintenance fees going into effect this year. Has anyone settled on a number yet? Jeremy ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 13, 2013

Re: Christmas Day traffic increase

by David Farmer

On 12/26/12 17:30 , Justin Krejci wrote: > Guessing Akamai helped feed lots of ipad/ipod activations and ios > updates yesterday. Looks like we hit the 3gig mark from just Akamai > alone almost. The Christmas morning peak was interesting, but the Christmas Eve evening one wasn't bad either. Especially since our traffic draw is down by more than a Gig from the normal due to winter break. We will recover some next week after New Years. But the Residence Halls are closed until just the weekend before class starts back up on January 22, so our traffic draw won't fully recover until late January. We were regularly well above a Gig in early December and Late November, and barely braking 300 to 400Mb this week. So 3 Gigs is really impressive with the very low draw from UMN. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 27, 2012

Christmas Day traffic increase

by Justin Krejci

Guessing Akamai helped feed lots of ipad/ipod activations and ios updates yesterday. Looks like we hit the 3gig mark from just Akamai alone almost. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 26, 2012

Re: Potential MICE member agreement

by Reid Fishler

1) Some parties don't like peering, and were forced to peer due to some legacy agreement, or because they bought someone who did peer, and now they are stuck. 2) Some companies feel that traffic needs to be equal in BOTH directions in order to increase a peer, not just 1. 3) Some companies are out of peering capacity in many cities, and what you have is what you can get. 4) Some companies forget (yes, really) that they peer with you, and if you have to contact them for more peering, they yank the peering and start a sales process. This is just some of what I know has happened with various companies in the past... Reid On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > ** > Reid, > > I knew I might open up a can of worms since I do not have a whole lot > of peering experience. Could you mention a couple hypothetical situations > to help some of the less experienced members better understand some of the > issues. > > Jeremy > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *Reid Fishler > *Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:11 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Potential MICE member agreement > > Speaking from experience, and NOT as a Hurricane employee, you are > thinking it is easy to expand peering. Trust us, it isn't. Its not just > emailing them and connecting a new cable. There are MANY reasons why some > peers are what they are. Again, let me state that I am NOT talking as a > Hurricane Employee. Thus, as a member of the steering committee, I would > have to vote against any agreement which tries to understand peering > agreements. > > Reid > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > >> I have not heard much discussion of maintenance fees lately, however a >> recent set of two situations brought an idea to the front of my mind. >> Should MICE have a very basic agreement with each of its members? The >> reason I bring this up is that we want to keep everyone's experience with >> the community positive. For example the agreement could contain a >> requirement to upgrade your connection if it is saturated to the point of >> causing packet loss (which I would assume members would want to do on their >> own). >> >> The reason I bring this up is because in the past few months I have run >> across carriers that I am purchasing from that had saturated peering. The >> two different carriers had two completely different approaches, and the >> second one concerns me, and is the reason I bring up the MICE agreement. >> The first was with Hurricane. They had a saturated link to Charter in >> Chicago. Within an hour of emailing in the details of what I had found to >> support, they had confirmed the issue, started sending me regular updates >> until the link upgrade was completed. Due to the short time period that >> this trouble ticket lasted, I felt it went much better than I would have >> hoped. >> >> The second issue was with Cogent. They had, and possibly still have a >> saturated peering link with TimeWarner in Chicago. It took me 3 emails >> with support across 2 business days to get them to believe the issue >> existed, and then once they got on the same page as me, the would not even >> provide me with updates on if they will even fix the issue. I have >> included their final support email below. After waiting a few days hoping >> they would just fix it, I was forced to manipulate BGP to avoid this >> saturated link. >> >> The bottom line is I bring this up because even though I am a paying >> customer of both carriers, the second situation made me feel powerless, and >> that I was not valued as a customer. I realize that they probably have >> their legal reasons to keep me in the dark, however it has now made me an >> unhappy customer, and if there was a simple agreement in place about how >> the peering link should be maintained, then there would be a timeframe for >> this to be resolved within. >> >> Jeremy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cogent Help Desk [mailto:support@cogentco.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:03 PM >> To: jlumby(a)mnvoip.com >> Subject: RE: #HD0000005266692-RE: Related Case: HD0000005265974-Packet >> Loss for customer TWINCITY00001 >> >> Dear Cogent Customer, >> >> The latency and/or packet loss that you are experiencing to this >> destination is due to occasional high traffic with our peer TimeWarner . >> Our peering engineers have made them aware of the continuing issue and are >> pending their response. Cogent is ready to act as soon as we have >> cooperation from our peer and they are ready to move forward. There is no >> estimated time of resolve. >> >> Please understand that Cogent does not discuss peering specific plans >> with our customers. Our customer support group will not be able to provide >> regular updates in regard to peer maintenance. If you have any questions >> please feel free to contact us by e-mail at support(a)cogentco.com or by >> phone at 877-7COGENT (877-726-4368). >> >> Thank You, >> >> Cogent Communications >> T 877.726.4368, option 2 >> F 202.295.9061 >> E support(a)cogentco.com >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> > > > -- > Reid Fishler > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012