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Re: Proposed Membership and Sponsorship Model

by Hannigan, Martin

Classes create inequities. Im not in favor of this proposal. Open to discuss, but this degrades the premise of neutrality and equality IMHO. Its a great start! /myself Best, -M< On Sep 8, 2016, at 23:02, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson(a)ARVIG.COM<mailto:shaun.carlson@arvig.com>> wrote: David, I like the premise of this plan and it preserves the multiple options/levels that have been consistently requested in our meetings and discussions on this topic over the past several years. s Shaun Carlson Director of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com<mailto:shaun.carlson@arvig.com> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Nevin Lyne <nevin(a)enginehosting.com<mailto:nevin@enginehosting.com>> wrote: As a person and company that has donated hardware and services to MICE but I am not directly a member, rather I take advantage of MICE as a customer of IPHouse this provides a believer in MICE to direct assist and be recognized as working as part of the MICE community without actually being a directly connected network. Just my take on this idea and as someone that would sponsor both directly and in-kind. -Nevin -- Nevin Lyne -- Founder & Director of Technology -- Arcustech, LLC. - arcustech.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__arcustech.com&d=DQMFaQ&…> -- Gippy's Internet Solutions, LLC. - enginehosting.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__enginehosting.com&d=DQM…> On Thursday, September 8, 2016 2:19pm, "DeLong, Owen" <owen(a)AKAMAI.COM<mailto:owen@AKAMAI.COM>> said: > I personally like this plan, as it preserves the open nature of the exchange and > provides a way that any interested party can participate in the governance of the > exchange with a relatively minimal poll tax, as it were, yet provides a good clear > path for people who get more value from the exchange and have the ability to > contribute more to it to do so. > > In the interest of transparency, Akamai may be perceived to benefit from this > model vs. a flat-rate model. However, I would prefer this model, even if that were > not the case because I believe this model is sustainable yet lowers the barrier of > entry to participation in the exchange. Each additional connection to the exchange > provides value to all members of the exchange. Active participants provide even > more value. This model encourages active participation as well as a mechanism for > financial sustainability. > > I do not believe this would rise to the level of COI if this were to come before > the board during my tenure (if I am elected), but I am open to input from others > who may feel differently. > > Owen > > On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:05 , David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU<mailto:farmer@UMN.EDU><mailto:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:farmer@umn.edu>>> > wrote: > > I'm not a candidate and will not be a candidate for the Board. However, I propose > the following Membership and Sponsorship Model, including both Membership Dues and > Sponsorship levels for MICE Members and Non-Member Sponsors. > > The dollar values are just my suggestions, I think they should work but they are > primarily intended to illustrate the model. > > With this Model, any network may connect to the Exchange, but all networks > participating in governance, known as Members, will have some minimal > skin-in-the-game. Further, the Model implies Networks with 10G or larger ports > probably should participate at a more significant level, but this is not a > requirement for access to 10G or larger ports or even to participate in > governance. > > The Friends of MICE Sponsorship level is intended to be accessible to anyone > interested, including individual users of the Internet. > > My proposal; > > As an Open Internet Exchange any network with a uniquely registered Autonomous > System Number (ASN) may connect to MICE. However, Non-Member networks are > provided ports on the Exchange on an as-available basis only and Non-Members do > not participate in the governance of the Exchange or the MICE Organization, but > may observe and participate in its discussions. > > Networks connected to the Exchange, or Data Centers hosting an Exchange switch, > may become Members and participate in the governance of the Exchange and the MICE > Organization by paying Membership Dues at either level listed below. Members are > provided prefered access to 1G Exchange ports, and are provided access to 10G or > larger Exchange ports on an as-available basis. > > Sustaining or higher Members are committed to sustaining and growing the Exchange > by electing to pay Sustaining Membership Dues and/or paying Basic Membership Dues > and providing other Sponsorship to the Exchange of a value totaling $1000 or more. > In recognition to this additional commitment, Sustaining or higher Members are > provided prefered access to 10G or larger Exchange ports. > > Basic Membership Dues - $100 > Sustaining Membership Dues - $1000 > (Dues are paid in cash or cash equivalents only, and may not be provided through > in-kind services or equipment) > > Beyond Dues from Members, MICE accepts Sponsorship both from Members and > Non-Members Sponsors as cash, cash equivalents, in-kind services or equipment. > Sponsorship is recognized at the following escalating levels based on the total > value provided annually. > > Friends of MICE - Sponsorship of $50 ore more annually > Sustaining Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $1,000 or more annually > Silver Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $2,500 or more annually > Gold Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $5,000 or more annually > Platinum Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $10,000 or more annually > > Sponsorship of $20,000 or more are recognized with multiple years at the Platinum > level. > > Friends of MICE are list on a page on the MICE website. Sustaining or higher > Members are annotated as such in their listings on the MICE website. All > Sustaining or higher Members and Sponsors are listed on the MICE website, with > higher levels receiving more prominent placement. Silver or higher Members and > Sponsors are recognized in MICE marketing materials, with higher levels receiving > more prominent placement. > > Thanks > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu><mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu<mailto:Email%253Afarmer@umn.edu>> > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<tel:612-626-0815><tel:612-626-0815<tel:612-626-0815>> > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<tel:612-812-9952><tel:612-812-9952<tel:612-812-9952>> > =============================================== ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: Proposed Membership and Sponsorship Model

by Shaun Carlson

David, I like the premise of this plan and it preserves the multiple options/levels that have been consistently requested in our meetings and discussions on this topic over the past several years. s *Shaun Carlson*Director of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Nevin Lyne <nevin(a)enginehosting.com> wrote: > As a person and company that has donated hardware and services to MICE but > I am not directly a member, rather I take advantage of MICE as a customer > of IPHouse this provides a believer in MICE to direct assist and be > recognized as working as part of the MICE community without actually being > a directly connected network. > > Just my take on this idea and as someone that would sponsor both directly > and in-kind. > > -Nevin > > -- Nevin Lyne > -- Founder & Director of Technology > -- Arcustech, LLC. - arcustech.com > -- Gippy's Internet Solutions, LLC. - enginehosting.com > > On Thursday, September 8, 2016 2:19pm, "DeLong, Owen" <owen(a)AKAMAI.COM> > said: > > > I personally like this plan, as it preserves the open nature of the > exchange and > > provides a way that any interested party can participate in the > governance of the > > exchange with a relatively minimal poll tax, as it were, yet provides a > good clear > > path for people who get more value from the exchange and have the > ability to > > contribute more to it to do so. > > > > In the interest of transparency, Akamai may be perceived to benefit from > this > > model vs. a flat-rate model. However, I would prefer this model, even if > that were > > not the case because I believe this model is sustainable yet lowers the > barrier of > > entry to participation in the exchange. Each additional connection to > the exchange > > provides value to all members of the exchange. Active participants > provide even > > more value. This model encourages active participation as well as a > mechanism for > > financial sustainability. > > > > I do not believe this would rise to the level of COI if this were to > come before > > the board during my tenure (if I am elected), but I am open to input > from others > > who may feel differently. > > > > Owen > > > > On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:05 , David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU<mailto:farmer@ > umn.edu>> > > wrote: > > > > I'm not a candidate and will not be a candidate for the Board. However, > I propose > > the following Membership and Sponsorship Model, including both > Membership Dues and > > Sponsorship levels for MICE Members and Non-Member Sponsors. > > > > The dollar values are just my suggestions, I think they should work but > they are > > primarily intended to illustrate the model. > > > > With this Model, any network may connect to the Exchange, but all > networks > > participating in governance, known as Members, will have some minimal > > skin-in-the-game. Further, the Model implies Networks with 10G or > larger ports > > probably should participate at a more significant level, but this is not > a > > requirement for access to 10G or larger ports or even to participate in > > governance. > > > > The Friends of MICE Sponsorship level is intended to be accessible to > anyone > > interested, including individual users of the Internet. > > > > My proposal; > > > > As an Open Internet Exchange any network with a uniquely registered > Autonomous > > System Number (ASN) may connect to MICE. However, Non-Member networks > are > > provided ports on the Exchange on an as-available basis only and > Non-Members do > > not participate in the governance of the Exchange or the MICE > Organization, but > > may observe and participate in its discussions. > > > > Networks connected to the Exchange, or Data Centers hosting an Exchange > switch, > > may become Members and participate in the governance of the Exchange and > the MICE > > Organization by paying Membership Dues at either level listed below. > Members are > > provided prefered access to 1G Exchange ports, and are provided access > to 10G or > > larger Exchange ports on an as-available basis. > > > > Sustaining or higher Members are committed to sustaining and growing the > Exchange > > by electing to pay Sustaining Membership Dues and/or paying Basic > Membership Dues > > and providing other Sponsorship to the Exchange of a value totaling > $1000 or more. > > In recognition to this additional commitment, Sustaining or higher > Members are > > provided prefered access to 10G or larger Exchange ports. > > > > Basic Membership Dues - $100 > > Sustaining Membership Dues - $1000 > > (Dues are paid in cash or cash equivalents only, and may not be provided > through > > in-kind services or equipment) > > > > Beyond Dues from Members, MICE accepts Sponsorship both from Members and > > Non-Members Sponsors as cash, cash equivalents, in-kind services or > equipment. > > Sponsorship is recognized at the following escalating levels based on > the total > > value provided annually. > > > > Friends of MICE - Sponsorship of $50 ore more annually > > Sustaining Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $1,000 or more annually > > Silver Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $2,500 or more annually > > Gold Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $5,000 or more annually > > Platinum Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $10,000 or more annually > > > > Sponsorship of $20,000 or more are recognized with multiple years at the > Platinum > > level. > > > > Friends of MICE are list on a page on the MICE website. Sustaining or > higher > > Members are annotated as such in their listings on the MICE website. All > > Sustaining or higher Members and Sponsors are listed on the MICE > website, with > > higher levels receiving more prominent placement. Silver or higher > Members and > > Sponsors are recognized in MICE marketing materials, with higher levels > receiving > > more prominent placement. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > =============================================== > > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:Em > ail%3Afarmer(a)umn.edu> > > Networking & Telecommunication Services > > Office of Information Technology > > University of Minnesota > > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<tel:612-626-0815> > > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<tel:612-812-9952> > > =============================================== > >

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: Proposed Membership and Sponsorship Model

by Nevin Lyne

As a person and company that has donated hardware and services to MICE but I am not directly a member, rather I take advantage of MICE as a customer of IPHouse this provides a believer in MICE to direct assist and be recognized as working as part of the MICE community without actually being a directly connected network. Just my take on this idea and as someone that would sponsor both directly and in-kind. -Nevin -- Nevin Lyne -- Founder & Director of Technology -- Arcustech, LLC. - arcustech.com -- Gippy's Internet Solutions, LLC. - enginehosting.com On Thursday, September 8, 2016 2:19pm, "DeLong, Owen" <owen(a)AKAMAI.COM> said: > I personally like this plan, as it preserves the open nature of the exchange and > provides a way that any interested party can participate in the governance of the > exchange with a relatively minimal poll tax, as it were, yet provides a good clear > path for people who get more value from the exchange and have the ability to > contribute more to it to do so. > > In the interest of transparency, Akamai may be perceived to benefit from this > model vs. a flat-rate model. However, I would prefer this model, even if that were > not the case because I believe this model is sustainable yet lowers the barrier of > entry to participation in the exchange. Each additional connection to the exchange > provides value to all members of the exchange. Active participants provide even > more value. This model encourages active participation as well as a mechanism for > financial sustainability. > > I do not believe this would rise to the level of COI if this were to come before > the board during my tenure (if I am elected), but I am open to input from others > who may feel differently. > > Owen > > On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:05 , David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU<mailto:farmer@umn.edu>> > wrote: > > I'm not a candidate and will not be a candidate for the Board. However, I propose > the following Membership and Sponsorship Model, including both Membership Dues and > Sponsorship levels for MICE Members and Non-Member Sponsors. > > The dollar values are just my suggestions, I think they should work but they are > primarily intended to illustrate the model. > > With this Model, any network may connect to the Exchange, but all networks > participating in governance, known as Members, will have some minimal > skin-in-the-game. Further, the Model implies Networks with 10G or larger ports > probably should participate at a more significant level, but this is not a > requirement for access to 10G or larger ports or even to participate in > governance. > > The Friends of MICE Sponsorship level is intended to be accessible to anyone > interested, including individual users of the Internet. > > My proposal; > > As an Open Internet Exchange any network with a uniquely registered Autonomous > System Number (ASN) may connect to MICE. However, Non-Member networks are > provided ports on the Exchange on an as-available basis only and Non-Members do > not participate in the governance of the Exchange or the MICE Organization, but > may observe and participate in its discussions. > > Networks connected to the Exchange, or Data Centers hosting an Exchange switch, > may become Members and participate in the governance of the Exchange and the MICE > Organization by paying Membership Dues at either level listed below. Members are > provided prefered access to 1G Exchange ports, and are provided access to 10G or > larger Exchange ports on an as-available basis. > > Sustaining or higher Members are committed to sustaining and growing the Exchange > by electing to pay Sustaining Membership Dues and/or paying Basic Membership Dues > and providing other Sponsorship to the Exchange of a value totaling $1000 or more. > In recognition to this additional commitment, Sustaining or higher Members are > provided prefered access to 10G or larger Exchange ports. > > Basic Membership Dues - $100 > Sustaining Membership Dues - $1000 > (Dues are paid in cash or cash equivalents only, and may not be provided through > in-kind services or equipment) > > Beyond Dues from Members, MICE accepts Sponsorship both from Members and > Non-Members Sponsors as cash, cash equivalents, in-kind services or equipment. > Sponsorship is recognized at the following escalating levels based on the total > value provided annually. > > Friends of MICE - Sponsorship of $50 ore more annually > Sustaining Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $1,000 or more annually > Silver Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $2,500 or more annually > Gold Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $5,000 or more annually > Platinum Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $10,000 or more annually > > Sponsorship of $20,000 or more are recognized with multiple years at the Platinum > level. > > Friends of MICE are list on a page on the MICE website. Sustaining or higher > Members are annotated as such in their listings on the MICE website. All > Sustaining or higher Members and Sponsors are listed on the MICE website, with > higher levels receiving more prominent placement. Silver or higher Members and > Sponsors are recognized in MICE marketing materials, with higher levels receiving > more prominent placement. > > Thanks > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu> > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<tel:612-626-0815> > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<tel:612-812-9952> > ===============================================

Sept. 8, 2016

Re: Proposed Membership and Sponsorship Model

by DeLong, Owen

I personally like this plan, as it preserves the open nature of the exchange and provides a way that any interested party can participate in the governance of the exchange with a relatively minimal poll tax, as it were, yet provides a good clear path for people who get more value from the exchange and have the ability to contribute more to it to do so. In the interest of transparency, Akamai may be perceived to benefit from this model vs. a flat-rate model. However, I would prefer this model, even if that were not the case because I believe this model is sustainable yet lowers the barrier of entry to participation in the exchange. Each additional connection to the exchange provides value to all members of the exchange. Active participants provide even more value. This model encourages active participation as well as a mechanism for financial sustainability. I do not believe this would rise to the level of COI if this were to come before the board during my tenure (if I am elected), but I am open to input from others who may feel differently. Owen On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:05 , David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU<mailto:farmer@umn.edu>> wrote: I'm not a candidate and will not be a candidate for the Board. However, I propose the following Membership and Sponsorship Model, including both Membership Dues and Sponsorship levels for MICE Members and Non-Member Sponsors. The dollar values are just my suggestions, I think they should work but they are primarily intended to illustrate the model. With this Model, any network may connect to the Exchange, but all networks participating in governance, known as Members, will have some minimal skin-in-the-game. Further, the Model implies Networks with 10G or larger ports probably should participate at a more significant level, but this is not a requirement for access to 10G or larger ports or even to participate in governance. The Friends of MICE Sponsorship level is intended to be accessible to anyone interested, including individual users of the Internet. My proposal; As an Open Internet Exchange any network with a uniquely registered Autonomous System Number (ASN) may connect to MICE. However, Non-Member networks are provided ports on the Exchange on an as-available basis only and Non-Members do not participate in the governance of the Exchange or the MICE Organization, but may observe and participate in its discussions. Networks connected to the Exchange, or Data Centers hosting an Exchange switch, may become Members and participate in the governance of the Exchange and the MICE Organization by paying Membership Dues at either level listed below. Members are provided prefered access to 1G Exchange ports, and are provided access to 10G or larger Exchange ports on an as-available basis. Sustaining or higher Members are committed to sustaining and growing the Exchange by electing to pay Sustaining Membership Dues and/or paying Basic Membership Dues and providing other Sponsorship to the Exchange of a value totaling $1000 or more. In recognition to this additional commitment, Sustaining or higher Members are provided prefered access to 10G or larger Exchange ports. Basic Membership Dues - $100 Sustaining Membership Dues - $1000 (Dues are paid in cash or cash equivalents only, and may not be provided through in-kind services or equipment) Beyond Dues from Members, MICE accepts Sponsorship both from Members and Non-Members Sponsors as cash, cash equivalents, in-kind services or equipment. Sponsorship is recognized at the following escalating levels based on the total value provided annually. Friends of MICE - Sponsorship of $50 ore more annually Sustaining Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $1,000 or more annually Silver Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $2,500 or more annually Gold Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $5,000 or more annually Platinum Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $10,000 or more annually Sponsorship of $20,000 or more are recognized with multiple years at the Platinum level. Friends of MICE are list on a page on the MICE website. Sustaining or higher Members are annotated as such in their listings on the MICE website. All Sustaining or higher Members and Sponsors are listed on the MICE website, with higher levels receiving more prominent placement. Silver or higher Members and Sponsors are recognized in MICE marketing materials, with higher levels receiving more prominent placement. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu> Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<tel:612-626-0815> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<tel:612-812-9952> =============================================== ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

Sept. 8, 2016

Proposed Membership and Sponsorship Model

by David Farmer

I'm not a candidate and will not be a candidate for the Board. However, I propose the following Membership and Sponsorship Model, including both Membership Dues and Sponsorship levels for MICE Members and Non-Member Sponsors. The dollar values are just my suggestions, I think they should work but they are primarily intended to illustrate the model. With this Model, any network may connect to the Exchange, but all networks participating in governance, known as Members, will have some minimal skin-in-the-game. Further, the Model implies Networks with 10G or larger ports probably should participate at a more significant level, but this is not a requirement for access to 10G or larger ports or even to participate in governance. The Friends of MICE Sponsorship level is intended to be accessible to anyone interested, including individual users of the Internet. My proposal; As an Open Internet Exchange any network with a uniquely registered Autonomous System Number (ASN) may connect to MICE. However, Non-Member networks are provided ports on the Exchange on an as-available basis only and Non-Members do not participate in the governance of the Exchange or the MICE Organization, but may observe and participate in its discussions. Networks connected to the Exchange, or Data Centers hosting an Exchange switch, may become Members and participate in the governance of the Exchange and the MICE Organization by paying Membership Dues at either level listed below. Members are provided prefered access to 1G Exchange ports, and are provided access to 10G or larger Exchange ports on an as-available basis. Sustaining or higher Members are committed to sustaining and growing the Exchange by electing to pay Sustaining Membership Dues and/or paying Basic Membership Dues and providing other Sponsorship to the Exchange of a value totaling $1000 or more. In recognition to this additional commitment, Sustaining or higher Members are provided prefered access to 10G or larger Exchange ports. Basic Membership Dues - $100 Sustaining Membership Dues - $1000 (Dues are paid in cash or cash equivalents only, and may not be provided through in-kind services or equipment) Beyond Dues from Members, MICE accepts Sponsorship both from Members and Non-Members Sponsors as cash, cash equivalents, in-kind services or equipment. Sponsorship is recognized at the following escalating levels based on the total value provided annually. Friends of MICE - Sponsorship of $50 ore more annually Sustaining Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $1,000 or more annually Silver Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $2,500 or more annually Gold Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $5,000 or more annually Platinum Members or Sponsors - Sponsorship of $10,000 or more annually Sponsorship of $20,000 or more are recognized with multiple years at the Platinum level. Friends of MICE are list on a page on the MICE website. Sustaining or higher Members are annotated as such in their listings on the MICE website. All Sustaining or higher Members and Sponsors are listed on the MICE website, with higher levels receiving more prominent placement. Silver or higher Members and Sponsors are recognized in MICE marketing materials, with higher levels receiving more prominent placement. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

Sept. 8, 2016

Re: Candidate Question

by Reid Fishler

I agree with a coop exchange, all members are equal. As I have stated before, I am in favor of a billed amount thats small, per member, but that we do NOT turn members off for non-payment. However we need to get the 501c status settled first, which is happening. Reid On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:12 AM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > Just to add my two cents. When I start to go down someone else's rabbit > hole of thought about value, and peering, this is what I come back to. > > I feel that everyone's traffic should be valued equally. My 1 Meg should > be of no different value than someone else's No traffic direction should > be more important than another. Remember the most common methods of > communication on this exchange are a 2 way conversation. A server > typically does not send traffic unless a client requests it. I want > everyone to pay a fair price for what they are getting. This also > discourages wasting of resources since it makes it much less likely to go > for a 10G port out of convenience when peak traffic will be around 100M, > and 1G port is much more affordable, and a better fit. Almost no one > expects to get anything for free, that goes beyond the realm of nonprofit, > and into charity. > > If you agree with these or not, you can look at the opposite to see what > happens. Carriers that value their bandwidth different than others, > typically do not peer on exchanges like MICE. They like to make money on > both ends of the pipe, which usually leads to private peering > disputes/de-peering, and allowing links to saturate in an attempt to prove > a point. We all know who these carriers are, and their mindset does not > match what I believe a cooperative exchange is all about. I have made a > conscious effort to limit how much transit I buy from companies like these, > and when the sales people call, my answer is usually along the lines of > talk to me when you change your peering policies. > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > Main: 612-355-7740 x211 > Direct: 612-392-6814 > EFax: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Sept. 8, 2016

Re: Candidate Question

by Jeremy Lumby

Just to add my two cents. When I start to go down someone else's rabbit hole of thought about value, and peering, this is what I come back to. I feel that everyone's traffic should be valued equally. My 1 Meg should be of no different value than someone else's No traffic direction should be more important than another. Remember the most common methods of communication on this exchange are a 2 way conversation. A server typically does not send traffic unless a client requests it. I want everyone to pay a fair price for what they are getting. This also discourages wasting of resources since it makes it much less likely to go for a 10G port out of convenience when peak traffic will be around 100M, and 1G port is much more affordable, and a better fit. Almost no one expects to get anything for free, that goes beyond the realm of nonprofit, and into charity. If you agree with these or not, you can look at the opposite to see what happens. Carriers that value their bandwidth different than others, typically do not peer on exchanges like MICE. They like to make money on both ends of the pipe, which usually leads to private peering disputes/de-peering, and allowing links to saturate in an attempt to prove a point. We all know who these carriers are, and their mindset does not match what I believe a cooperative exchange is all about. I have made a conscious effort to limit how much transit I buy from companies like these, and when the sales people call, my answer is usually along the lines of talk to me when you change your peering policies. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 x211 Direct: 612-392-6814 EFax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

Sept. 8, 2016

Re: Candidate Question

by Mike Horwath

On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 12:49:32AM +0000, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > Moral of the story? Keep your options open and operate as a > business. Mutual benefit. You, sir, are my freakin' hero! -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Sept. 8, 2016

Re: Candidate Question

by Mike Horwath

On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 12:40:44AM +0000, James Renken wrote: > Maybe a case-by-case basis? This creates favortism and old-boys-club issues. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Sept. 8, 2016

Re: Candidate Question

by Hannigan, Martin

On Sep 7, 2016, at 16:16, Brady Kittel <bkittel(a)GMAIL.COM<mailto:bkittel@gmail.com>> wrote: I agree that we should pay our fair share. Largely we just need to get a bill that we can pay with a PO and it isn't a problem. That said is they're ever a scenario that discounting port fees for an entity would have a net benefit for the exchange? Yes. Ex: Content providers that otherwise a) serve you all "free" over transit facing you as downstream customer, b) serving from other indirect but cheaper paths which both could result in the IX being a thin business case for a variety of reasons. You pay $2 per mb/s transit You pay $.09 net for well utilized exchange port If you had 1000 mb/s to %CDN over transit And you reduce that to 250 mbs with 750 mb/s here And 10 members do that Its quite the economic impact. Not to mention performance boost and leveler of playing field. Moral of the story? Keep your options open and operate as a business. Mutual benefit. Best, Martin On Sep 7, 2016 3:02 PM, "Asp, David" <David.Asp(a)co.dakota.mn.us<mailto:David.Asp@co.dakota.mn.us>> wrote: From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Asp, David Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 3:02 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Candidate Question My opinion working for a county government is that every one should be treated equally. David Asp Network Collaboration Engineer Dakota County Government Center 1590 Highway 55, Hastings, MN 55033 Office: 651-438-4271<tel:651-438-4271> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 2:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Candidate Question On 09/07/2016 02:39 PM, James Renken wrote: On Sep 7, 2016, at 08:33, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)NEUTRALPATH.NET><mailto:jayhanke@NEUTRALPATH.NET> wrote: Up to this point MICE has been fairly successful without any required port fees for members. There have been minor difficulties paying hardware support and annual ARIN fees. We have reached a long-term (5 year) agreement with Cologix to continue the existing no cost relationship for space and power. Do you see the finical current model as sustainable for MICE? What changes would you suggest on the business side? I'm not sure we can stay with our current model over the long term. We can rely on our great (and mutually beneficial) relationship with Cologix for space and power, but I don't think we can assume we'll always be able to get financial or hardware donations, especially on short notice. The industry is only getting more challenging; we should work towards self-sufficiency. That would mean port fees. I think we should base port fees on our budget: ARIN fees, hardware support, and accumulating enough savings to replace our core switch with a newer, refurbished model by the end of its useful life. We should also plan to gradually save extra for emergencies like legal fees; I agree with Owen, saving over a period of maybe five years. I'd also like to consider whether we should exempt non-profit and government entities from port fees. There are few enough that it doesn't seem like a large burden for the rest of us. Why would we want to exempt non-profit and government entities? MICE is a cooperative exchange. Every member should be treated the same. If you'd like to support non-profits and governmental entities, you are free to pay their fees. Don't force others to pay somebody else's fair share. ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

Sept. 8, 2016