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Re: Port Anonymity

by Anthony Anderberg

Anytime today (11th) or Friday (13th) are fine for me if anyone wanted to have a call. I'd agree that Dave did a good job of summarizing the issues and Richard's responses are a reasonable evolution in our shared MICE journey. I'd thought about a combination of ASN/member specific passwords and leaving the graphs open to members but I'm not sure that would meet Martin's needs, especially in the nirvana of the future when his competition might also be MICE members. Obviously under a "hidden graph" scenario members couldn't troubleshoot traffic bottlenecks across MICE themselves and people would need to continue to have reasonable expectations about volunteer administrator's abilities to respond. Part of the support for the current policy came from member's experiences of being frustrated by their provider's opaqueness in situations like the last iOS upgrade, but I think everyone understands that some of Akamai's needs are a little different. One loose end: Doug - can you remove that posting (or perhaps just the graph image) from the mailing list archive? The "anonymous port" idea isn't a bad one either, but it doesn't seem as clean to me in terms of maintenance simplicity and perhaps in terms of anonymity given the current port count and comparative traffic volumes. Having said that I'll certainly work to implement whatever the group's new direction is, appreciate everyone's thoughts and support. Cheers, anthony Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Shaun Carlson Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 6:13 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Port Anonymity Should we set up a call for later today? s On Tuesday, December 10, 2013, Hannigan, Martin wrote: Jay, Theres a lot of conflicting stuff here. Think I liked most of Richards responses to David. Let's talk live and see if we can sort this out. Work? Best, Marty On Dec 10, 2013, at 22:49, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET<javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET');>> wrote: > Right on with the agreement. It does say that we may ask for MRTG graph data related to ports statistics. It also says we expect confidentiality. Our port data is confidential. The MICE Board signed this agreement with us. If we take our port down to the wider audience like we have gracefully requested, we're happy to discuss what the objective is and how we may be helpful. I'll be honest, I doubt that the outcome is "sure, display our data to anyone with a login", but it is likely to be reasonable and inline with North American IXP norms. NETNOD is in Norway and Mice is in North America. NETNOD is also orders of magnitude larger than MICE. That's not the solution. > Can you narrow down the scope better? Keep in mind we have no formally defined admins, so if you say admin you'll need to lay that out as well. Jay ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Shaun Carlson Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com<mailto:shaun.carlson@arvig.com> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Shaun Carlson

Should we set up a call for later today? s On Tuesday, December 10, 2013, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > Jay, > > Theres a lot of conflicting stuff here. Think I liked most of Richards > responses to David. > > Let's talk live and see if we can sort this out. Work? > > Best, > > Marty > > > On Dec 10, 2013, at 22:49, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET');>> > wrote: > > > Right on with the agreement. It does say that we may ask for MRTG graph > data related to ports statistics. It also says we expect confidentiality. > Our port data is confidential. The MICE Board signed this agreement with > us. If we take our port down to the wider audience like we have gracefully > requested, we're happy to discuss what the objective is and how we may be > helpful. I'll be honest, I doubt that the outcome is "sure, display our > data to anyone with a login", but it is likely to be reasonable and inline > with North American IXP norms. NETNOD is in Norway and Mice is in North > America. NETNOD is also orders of magnitude larger than MICE. That's not > the solution. > > > > Can you narrow down the scope better? Keep in mind we have no formally > defined admins, so if you say admin you'll need to lay that out as well. > > Jay > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- *Shaun Carlson*Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Hannigan, Martin

Jay, Theres a lot of conflicting stuff here. Think I liked most of Richards responses to David. Let's talk live and see if we can sort this out. Work? Best, Marty On Dec 10, 2013, at 22:49, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET<mailto:jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET>> wrote: > Right on with the agreement. It does say that we may ask for MRTG graph data related to ports statistics. It also says we expect confidentiality. Our port data is confidential. The MICE Board signed this agreement with us. If we take our port down to the wider audience like we have gracefully requested, we're happy to discuss what the objective is and how we may be helpful. I'll be honest, I doubt that the outcome is "sure, display our data to anyone with a login", but it is likely to be reasonable and inline with North American IXP norms. NETNOD is in Norway and Mice is in North America. NETNOD is also orders of magnitude larger than MICE. That's not the solution. > Can you narrow down the scope better? Keep in mind we have no formally defined admins, so if you say admin you'll need to lay that out as well. Jay ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Hannigan, Martin

First, let's get back into compliance and we can work together. Best, Marty On Dec 10, 2013, at 22:49, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET<mailto:jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET>> wrote: > Right on with the agreement. It does say that we may ask for MRTG graph data related to ports statistics. It also says we expect confidentiality. Our port data is confidential. The MICE Board signed this agreement with us. If we take our port down to the wider audience like we have gracefully requested, we're happy to discuss what the objective is and how we may be helpful. I'll be honest, I doubt that the outcome is "sure, display our data to anyone with a login", but it is likely to be reasonable and inline with North American IXP norms. NETNOD is in Norway and Mice is in North America. NETNOD is also orders of magnitude larger than MICE. That's not the solution. > Can you narrow down the scope better? Keep in mind we have no formally defined admins, so if you say admin you'll need to lay that out as well. Jay ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Jay Hanke

> Right on with the agreement. It does say that we may ask for MRTG graph data related to ports statistics. It also says we expect confidentiality. Our port data is confidential. The MICE Board signed this agreement with us. If we take our port down to the wider audience like we have gracefully requested, we're happy to discuss what the objective is and how we may be helpful. I'll be honest, I doubt that the outcome is "sure, display our data to anyone with a login", but it is likely to be reasonable and inline with North American IXP norms. NETNOD is in Norway and Mice is in North America. NETNOD is also orders of magnitude larger than MICE. That's not the solution. > Can you narrow down the scope better? Keep in mind we have no formally defined admins, so if you say admin you'll need to lay that out as well. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Graphs, Stats and List Archive (was: Re: Is Today The Test)

by Richard Laager

Here are my answers to the questions David posed: On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 20:27 -0600, David Farmer wrote: > 1. Should the list archive be public? Yes. > 3. What graphs and statistics should be collected? The traffic graphs, plus I think error graphs should be added. > 4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics? Whoever is delegated by the Board to administer Cacti has full access to Cacti. Whoever is delegated by the Board to administer the switches has read access to all graphs. Graphs are public, unless that network has asked to opt-out. If a network has opted-out, the graph is hidden from the public ("guest") user account. The aggregate graph (the one from the home page) is public, but should not separate traffic by colors or otherwise. That graph shall not show a "Current" or "Last" value. No other aggregates shall be public without further discussion. (A graph of a port facing a remote switch is not an "aggregate" graph for this purpose; it's a "network" graph.) > 5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics? Reasonable passwords for the non-public Cacti accounts. A randomly-generated password for SNMP between Cacti and the switches, ideally changed whenever someone is removed from the switch or Cacti delegations. -- Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 10, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET<mailto:jayhanke@MANKATONETWORKS.NET>> wrote: On Dec 10, 2013 8:34 PM, "Hannigan, Martin" <marty(a)akamai.com<mailto:marty@akamai.com>> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM<mailto:rlaager@WIKTEL.COM>> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 21:21 -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > >> Please take a look at http://www.netnod.se/ix/statistics, to see how > >> they do it. This is what we are planning to model off of. > > > > They are graphing the anonymous ports. So MICE would have exactly the > > problems I noted. So this doesn't solve anything. > > > > I agree, it would be sort of a joke actually as it would be completely obvious when we went down and back up. > > This will also prevent other large sources of traffic from joining the exchange. We're happy to work to see if we can help with whatever the objective is and to come up with a solution if its possible, but we would like our ports opted out ASAP. MICE is required by contract to provide mrtg graphing to Akamai. MICE is also managed by the members of the exchange. If the managers of the ix can't access the graphs we can't provide them if requested. Marty, could you be specific in your request and make a suggestion? Jay, Right on with the agreement. It does say that we may ask for MRTG graph data related to ports statistics. It also says we expect confidentiality. Our port data is confidential. The MICE Board signed this agreement with us. If we take our port down to the wider audience like we have gracefully requested, we're happy to discuss what the objective is and how we may be helpful. I'll be honest, I doubt that the outcome is "sure, display our data to anyone with a login", but it is likely to be reasonable and inline with North American IXP norms. NETNOD is in Norway and Mice is in North America. NETNOD is also orders of magnitude larger than MICE. That's not the solution. Best, -M< ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Jay Hanke

On Dec 10, 2013 8:34 PM, "Hannigan, Martin" <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 21:21 -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > >> Please take a look at http://www.netnod.se/ix/statistics, to see how > >> they do it. This is what we are planning to model off of. > > > > They are graphing the anonymous ports. So MICE would have exactly the > > problems I noted. So this doesn't solve anything. > > > > I agree, it would be sort of a joke actually as it would be completely obvious when we went down and back up. > > This will also prevent other large sources of traffic from joining the exchange. We're happy to work to see if we can help with whatever the objective is and to come up with a solution if its possible, but we would like our ports opted out ASAP. MICE is required by contract to provide mrtg graphing to Akamai. MICE is also managed by the members of the exchange. If the managers of the ix can't access the graphs we can't provide them if requested. Marty, could you be specific in your request and make a suggestion? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 21:21 -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: >> Please take a look at http://www.netnod.se/ix/statistics, to see how >> they do it. This is what we are planning to model off of. > > They are graphing the anonymous ports. So MICE would have exactly the > problems I noted. So this doesn't solve anything. I agree, it would be sort of a joke actually as it would be completely obvious when we went down and back up. This will also prevent other large sources of traffic from joining the exchange. We're happy to work to see if we can help with whatever the objective is and to come up with a solution if its possible, but we would like our ports opted out ASAP. Best, -M< ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Richard Laager

On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 21:21 -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > Please take a look at http://www.netnod.se/ix/statistics, to see how > they do it. This is what we are planning to model off of. They are graphing the anonymous ports. So MICE would have exactly the problems I noted. So this doesn't solve anything. -- Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Reid Fishler

Please take a look at http://www.netnod.se/ix/statistics, to see how they do it. This is what we are planning to model off of. Reid On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 21:05 -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > > > Because the ports are currently labeled, we will allow allow members, > > upon request, to move to another port at the time that they remove the > > identity from their port. > > You're saying that Akamai can move to another port and we won't put a > name on that port's graph? Wouldn't it be really obvious that the > unlabeled graph that's just started sending/receiving traffic is the one > network (Akamai) that just disappeared from the set of labeled graphs? > > Plus, until there's another network that opts out, it's still obvious > which port is Akamai. And if that network isn't of a similar size, even > then it still be obvious. > > I don't see any reason to move (or unlabel) anything. If you want to > grant these requests, just stop showing Akamai's port's graph to the > guest user in Cacti and remove it from the weathermap. > > Access to the Cacti admin interface should be along the same lines as > access to manage the actual MICE switches: it's privileged and comes > with discretion requirements. Not every member has access to the > switches' management interface(s) nor Cacti admin today. I have neither, > for example. > > -- > Richard > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Re: Port Anonymity

by Richard Laager

On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 21:05 -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > Because the ports are currently labeled, we will allow allow members, > upon request, to move to another port at the time that they remove the > identity from their port. You're saying that Akamai can move to another port and we won't put a name on that port's graph? Wouldn't it be really obvious that the unlabeled graph that's just started sending/receiving traffic is the one network (Akamai) that just disappeared from the set of labeled graphs? Plus, until there's another network that opts out, it's still obvious which port is Akamai. And if that network isn't of a similar size, even then it still be obvious. I don't see any reason to move (or unlabel) anything. If you want to grant these requests, just stop showing Akamai's port's graph to the guest user in Cacti and remove it from the weathermap. Access to the Cacti admin interface should be along the same lines as access to manage the actual MICE switches: it's privileged and comes with discretion requirements. Not every member has access to the switches' management interface(s) nor Cacti admin today. I have neither, for example. -- Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Port Anonymity

by Reid Fishler

Hello MICE Persons- The SC has discussed recent requests for protection of port statistics, and we have decided to adapt the method that Netnod in Sweden tackles this issue. At any time, any IX member may choose to make their port anonymous in the graphs and logs. Because the ports are currently labeled, we will allow allow members, upon request, to move to another port at the time that they remove the identity from their port. This will allow any network that does not wish its statistics to be public to be satisfied, while allowing the members to see have access to statistics, in this, a cooperative exchange without dedicated staff. Any members who wish to have their port anonymized, please contact me and I will make sure that it is done. Also, a reminder: port statistics of other members are NOT for sharing outside of your own company without permission from the other involved networks. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to post. Reid -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 11, 2013

Q1 2014 MICE UG Meeting

by Shaun Carlson

Good Afternoon All! MICE UG 10 has been scheduled, as follows: Date: Thursday, January 30th Time: 4:00 pm (1600 Hours) Location: 511 Building Please send your agenda items when you have a chance! Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson*Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 10, 2013

Re: Graphs, Stats and List Archive (was: Re: Is Today The Test)

by Reid Fishler

Martin- I will have a call with you to discuss this. Lets take it offline. Reid On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > Board, > > I haven't heard anything back on this. Can someone let me know where we > intend to go with this? > > Best, > > -M< > > > > On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Hannigan, Martin" <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > > > > David, > > > > In no discussion was there a statement about this. > > > > We would simply ask to opt out. > > > > Best, > > > > Marty > > > > > > > >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 19:28, "David Farmer" <farmer(a)UMN.EDU> wrote: > >> > >>> On 12/5/13, 18:47 , Hannigan, Martin wrote: > >>> > >>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg > >>> <anthonyanderberg(a)NU-TELECOM.NET > >>> <mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Just so we're all clear: > >>>> The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked > >>>> from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is > >>>> the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure > >>>> the details. > >>>> The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the > >>>> traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking > >>>> accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password > >>>> protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly > robust. > >>>> As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd > >>>> decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic > >>>> patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things. > >>> > >>> We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I > >>> don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It > >>> should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please. > >>> > >>>> To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this > >>>> week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. > >>>> If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading > >>>> their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours. > >>> > >>> > >>> If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed. > >>> > >>> > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337 > >>> I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear. > >> > >> Marty, > >> > >> There have been several discussions with the subject of stats, cacti > >> graphs, etc on the list, since you subscribed in late 2011. So, it > >> shouldn't be a complete surprise. But, I'll agree there wasn't a direct > >> discussion of what graphs and statistics should be kept discussed on the > >> list. > >> > >> And, yes, it may have been bad form for Frank to post a graph on the > >> mailing list since it has a public archive. But, there is a basic > >> password on the graphs themselves. > >> > >> So, that brings up a few things it wouldn't hurt to discuss; > >> > >> 1. Should the list archive be public? > >> > >> 2. If not, what security should the list archive have? > >> > >> 3. What graphs and statistics should be collected? > >> > >> 4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics? > >> > >> 5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics? > >> > >> 6. What is the proper etiquette regarding these graphs and statistics? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -- > >> ================================================ > >> David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu > >> Office of Information Technology > >> University of Minnesota > >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 > >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 > >> ================================================ > >> > >> ######################################################################## > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ######################################################################## > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 10, 2013

Re: Graphs, Stats and List Archive (was: Re: Is Today The Test)

by Hannigan, Martin

Board, I haven't heard anything back on this. Can someone let me know where we intend to go with this? Best, -M< On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Hannigan, Martin" <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > David, > > In no discussion was there a statement about this. > > We would simply ask to opt out. > > Best, > > Marty > > > >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 19:28, "David Farmer" <farmer(a)UMN.EDU> wrote: >> >>> On 12/5/13, 18:47 , Hannigan, Martin wrote: >>> >>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg >>> <anthonyanderberg(a)NU-TELECOM.NET >>> <mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote: >>> >>>> Just so we're all clear: >>>> The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked >>>> from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is >>>> the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure >>>> the details. >>>> The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the >>>> traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking >>>> accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password >>>> protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. >>>> As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd >>>> decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic >>>> patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things. >>> >>> We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I >>> don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It >>> should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please. >>> >>>> To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this >>>> week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. >>>> If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading >>>> their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours. >>> >>> >>> If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed. >>> >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337 >>> I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear. >> >> Marty, >> >> There have been several discussions with the subject of stats, cacti >> graphs, etc on the list, since you subscribed in late 2011. So, it >> shouldn't be a complete surprise. But, I'll agree there wasn't a direct >> discussion of what graphs and statistics should be kept discussed on the >> list. >> >> And, yes, it may have been bad form for Frank to post a graph on the >> mailing list since it has a public archive. But, there is a basic >> password on the graphs themselves. >> >> So, that brings up a few things it wouldn't hurt to discuss; >> >> 1. Should the list archive be public? >> >> 2. If not, what security should the list archive have? >> >> 3. What graphs and statistics should be collected? >> >> 4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics? >> >> 5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics? >> >> 6. What is the proper etiquette regarding these graphs and statistics? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> ================================================ >> David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 >> ================================================ >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 10, 2013

Re: Graphs, Stats and List Archive (was: Re: Is Today The Test)

by Hannigan, Martin

David, In no discussion was there a statement about this. We would simply ask to opt out. Best, Marty > On Dec 5, 2013, at 19:28, "David Farmer" <farmer(a)UMN.EDU> wrote: > >> On 12/5/13, 18:47 , Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> >> On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg >> <anthonyanderberg(a)NU-TELECOM.NET >> <mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote: >> >>> Just so we're all clear: >>> The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked >>> from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is >>> the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure >>> the details. >>> The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the >>> traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking >>> accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password >>> protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. >>> As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd >>> decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic >>> patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things. >> >> We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I >> don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It >> should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please. >> >>> To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this >>> week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. >>> If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading >>> their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours. >> >> >> If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed. >> >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337 >> I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear. > > Marty, > > There have been several discussions with the subject of stats, cacti > graphs, etc on the list, since you subscribed in late 2011. So, it > shouldn't be a complete surprise. But, I'll agree there wasn't a direct > discussion of what graphs and statistics should be kept discussed on the > list. > > And, yes, it may have been bad form for Frank to post a graph on the > mailing list since it has a public archive. But, there is a basic > password on the graphs themselves. > > So, that brings up a few things it wouldn't hurt to discuss; > > 1. Should the list archive be public? > > 2. If not, what security should the list archive have? > > 3. What graphs and statistics should be collected? > > 4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics? > > 5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics? > > 6. What is the proper etiquette regarding these graphs and statistics? > > Thanks. > > -- > ================================================ > David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 > ================================================ > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 6, 2013

Graphs, Stats and List Archive (was: Re: Is Today The Test)

by David Farmer

On 12/5/13, 18:47 , Hannigan, Martin wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg > <anthonyanderberg(a)NU-TELECOM.NET > <mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote: > >> Just so we're all clear: >> The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked >> from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is >> the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure >> the details. >> The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the >> traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking >> accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password >> protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. >> As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd >> decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic >> patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things. > > We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I > don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It > should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please. > >> To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this >> week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. >> If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading >> their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours. > > > If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed. > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337 > I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear. Marty, There have been several discussions with the subject of stats, cacti graphs, etc on the list, since you subscribed in late 2011. So, it shouldn't be a complete surprise. But, I'll agree there wasn't a direct discussion of what graphs and statistics should be kept discussed on the list. And, yes, it may have been bad form for Frank to post a graph on the mailing list since it has a public archive. But, there is a basic password on the graphs themselves. So, that brings up a few things it wouldn't hurt to discuss; 1. Should the list archive be public? 2. If not, what security should the list archive have? 3. What graphs and statistics should be collected? 4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics? 5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics? 6. What is the proper etiquette regarding these graphs and statistics? Thanks. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 6, 2013

Re: Is Today The Test

by David Farmer

Its not heavier than normal, Thursday and Friday were much lighter than normal, Thanksgiving weekend you know. On 12/4/13, 22:58 , Frank Bulk wrote: > What’s the reason for heavier Akamai usage the last three mornings? > > Frank -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 6, 2013

Re: Is Today The Test

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg(a)NU-TELECOM.NET<mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote: Just so we're all clear: The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure the details. The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things. We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please. To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours. If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed. http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337 I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear. Best, -M< ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 6, 2013

Re: Is Today The Test

by Frank Bulk

Thanks. From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Hannigan, Martin Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:20 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test Frank, To answer your question, no idea. We don't usually track individual events or usage surges. Could be a peer had a down on net presence, someone turned up a new customer with demand, a small apple iOS event, etc. If this is a problem I can, but doesn't seem like it. Best, Marty On Dec 4, 2013, at 21:58, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> wrote: What’s the reason for heavier Akamai usage the last three mornings? <image001.png> Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Dan Olsen Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:48 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test With schools closing in the southwest and snow statewide will this be the bandwidth test for MICE. We are seeing increased usage and the kids are still on the way home. My 6th graders teacher gave the class a snow day assignment to research blizzards in Minnesota!!!! Stay Safe Everyone Dan Olsen General Manager Windomnet City OF Windom & Southwest MN Broadband Services 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 6, 2013

Re: Is Today The Test

by Anthony Anderberg

Just so we're all clear: The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure the details. The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things. To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours. Cheers, anthony Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:26 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test Martin, On 12/05/2013 08:14 AM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: Better question is why is our port usage public information. The weathermap has been discussed at various MICE UG meetings. I don't recall anybody indicating concerns with their data being made public. If you have issues with this, I'd think that we could make changes. Steve Jay? On Dec 4, 2013, at 21:58, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> wrote: What’s the reason for heavier Akamai usage the last three mornings? <image001.png> Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Dan Olsen Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:48 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test With schools closing in the southwest and snow statewide will this be the bandwidth test for MICE. We are seeing increased usage and the kids are still on the way home. My 6th graders teacher gave the class a snow day assignment to research blizzards in Minnesota!!!! Stay Safe Everyone Dan Olsen General Manager Windomnet City OF Windom & Southwest MN Broadband Services 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 5, 2013

Re: Is Today The Test

by Steve Howard

Dec. 5, 2013

Re: Is Today The Test

by Jay Hanke

Only the total of the ports is posted publicly on the website. All the other graphs require a login. www.micemn.net Traffic is good keep, it coming! On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > Better question is why is our port usage public information. > > Jay? > > > > On Dec 4, 2013, at 21:58, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> wrote: > > What’s the reason for heavier Akamai usage the last three mornings? > > > > <image001.png> > > > > Frank > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Dan > Olsen > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:48 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test > > > > With schools closing in the southwest and snow statewide will this be the > bandwidth test for MICE. We are seeing increased usage and the kids are > still on the way home. > > > > My 6th graders teacher gave the class a snow day assignment to research > blizzards in Minnesota!!!! > > > > Stay Safe Everyone > > > > Dan Olsen > > General Manager > > Windomnet City OF Windom > > & Southwest MN Broadband Services > > 443 10th St PO Box 38 > > Windom MN 56101 > > 507-832-8007 > > > > > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 5, 2013

Re: Is Today The Test

by Hannigan, Martin

Frank, To answer your question, no idea. We don't usually track individual events or usage surges. Could be a peer had a down on net presence, someone turned up a new customer with demand, a small apple iOS event, etc. If this is a problem I can, but doesn't seem like it. Best, Marty On Dec 4, 2013, at 21:58, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> wrote: What’s the reason for heavier Akamai usage the last three mornings? <image001.png> Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Dan Olsen Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:48 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test With schools closing in the southwest and snow statewide will this be the bandwidth test for MICE. We are seeing increased usage and the kids are still on the way home. My 6th graders teacher gave the class a snow day assignment to research blizzards in Minnesota!!!! Stay Safe Everyone Dan Olsen General Manager Windomnet City OF Windom & Southwest MN Broadband Services 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 5, 2013

Re: Is Today The Test

by Hannigan, Martin

Better question is why is our port usage public information. Jay? On Dec 4, 2013, at 21:58, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> wrote: What’s the reason for heavier Akamai usage the last three mornings? <image001.png> Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Dan Olsen Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:48 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test With schools closing in the southwest and snow statewide will this be the bandwidth test for MICE. We are seeing increased usage and the kids are still on the way home. My 6th graders teacher gave the class a snow day assignment to research blizzards in Minnesota!!!! Stay Safe Everyone Dan Olsen General Manager Windomnet City OF Windom & Southwest MN Broadband Services 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 5, 2013

Is Today The Test

by Dan Olsen

With schools closing in the southwest and snow statewide will this be the bandwidth test for MICE. We are seeing increased usage and the kids are still on the way home. My 6th graders teacher gave the class a snow day assignment to research blizzards in Minnesota!!!! Stay Safe Everyone Dan Olsen General Manager Windomnet City OF Windom & Southwest MN Broadband Services 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 4, 2013

just FYI -- ISOC on IXPs

by Mike O'Connor

hi all, thought you might be interested in this piece about the economic impact of IXPs in Latin America. mikey http://www.internetsociety.org/news/new-study-reveals-how-internet-exchange… New Study Reveals How Internet Exchange Points Spur Internet Growth in Latin America 03 December 2013 Joint Internet Society and Universidad de San Andrés report demonstrates significant cost and performance gains from IXP development in Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, and Ecuador [Montevideo, Uruguay] – The Internet Society recently published the results of a study that demonstrates the far-reaching economic and societal benefits of establishing Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) in emerging markets. The study, commissioned by the Internet Society and conducted by Professor Hernan Galperin of the Universidad de San Andrés in Argentina, examined the critical cost and performance benefits of IXPs in Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and Ecuador – countries on the leading edge of Internet growth in Latin America. Analogous with the role that international airports play in airline traffic, IXPs serve as critical hubs for data traffic exchange in the global Internet infrastructure. Over 350 IXPs around the world enable local Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and Internet backbone carriers to efficiently and cost-effectively exchange Internet traffic. Many emerging markets do not have well-established IXPs, forcing domestic Internet traffic onto long-distance international links, resulting in significantly higher costs and quality of service challenges. This new study identifies the positive impact that IXPs have made, including reduced telecommunications costs, faster and better local data exchange, and local technical capacity development. For example: To date, nine IXPs are operational in Argentina as part of the Cabase system that was created in 1998, connecting over 80 network operators. Internet transit costs have been reduced from USD $500 per Mbps per month in one city to about USD $40 per Mbps per month. Service providers have been able to expand their networks and quality of service. In 2004, the Comitê Gestor da Internet (CGI) launched an initiative called PTT Metro to create IXPs across Brazil, starting with their first IXP in São Paulo. As of April 2013, there were 22 IXPs in operation, covering 16 of Brazil’s 26 states. On aggregate, the IXPs associated with the PTT Metro initiative are exchanging over 170Gbps at peak hours, and providing better and faster connectivity to regions of Brazil that had poor Internet service. In Ecuador, international transit costs hover around USD $100 per Mbps per month. Local traffic can be exchanged at the IXP in Quito (NAP.EC) for as little as USD $1 per Mbps per month. Without an IXP, operators would exchange local traffic through international transit routes and the additional wholesale costs for local ISPs would be USD $7.2 million per year. The Colombian exchange point, NAP Colombia, started in 2000 in response to frequent disruptions in the domestic backhaul network and international links. By exchanging traffic locally, and later by installing content caches at the IXP, local ISPs were able to reduce their dependence on international routes, thus reducing costs and, most importantly, increasing service reliability. “This study highlights the critical role that IXPs are playing in Latin America – from human capacity and network development to better quality of service and increased uptake of services,” said Sebastian Bellagamba, Regional Bureau Director for Latin America and the Caribbean at the Internet Society. “Offering more than just cost and performance benefits, well-run IXPs serve as a catalyst to dramatically enrich a country’s Internet ecosystem, opening a new world of possibilities with comparably minimal investment. We appreciate the collaboration with Professor Galperin and hope that this study will help inform the dialogue among government, business, and technology leaders of emerging countries to show them the benefits that IXPs can provide for developing partnerships for Internet growth in the region.” Lead author of the study Hernan Galperin stated, “This report shows the important role that IXPs have played in the development of the Internet in Latin America. This role is likely to become more important as countries in the region address existing challenges such as network security, the improvement in the quality of services, and the reduction in access prices.” The study was conducted as part of the Internet Society’s Internet Traffic Exchange Programme. This programme aims to foster robust, efficient, and cost-effective Internet interconnection environments in emerging economies, and furthers the Internet Society’s overall mission to promote the open development, evolution, and use of the Internet for the benefit of all people throughout the world. The full study in English and Spanish is available for download at http://www.internetsociety.org/doc/connectivity-latin-america-and-caribb.... Funding for this study was provided in part by Google under the IXP Toolkit & Best Practices Grant Project. About the Internet Society The Internet Society is the trusted independent source for Internet information and thought leadership from around the world. With its principled vision and substantial technological foundation, the Internet Society promotes open dialogue on Internet policy, technology, and future development among users, companies, governments, and other organizations. Working with its members and Chapters around the world, the Internet Society enables the continued evolution and growth of the Internet for everyone. For more information, visit www.internetsociety.org. Media contact: Wende Cover, cover(a)isoc.org, +1-703-439-2773 PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com, HANDLE: OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.) ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 3, 2013

7600 2G Switch Processor Memory

by David Farmer

Anyone out there with 7600 2G Switch Processor Memory, or maybe 4G Route Processor Memory that the University could borrow? If you do or even thing you do please call me on my cell. Thanks -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Nov. 25, 2013

Fwd: [arin-announce] Apply Now for ARIN 33 Fellowships in Chicago

by David Farmer

FYI, If you have never been to an ARIN meeting here is an opportunity. And please pass this around to others. Thanks. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [arin-announce] Apply Now for ARIN 33 Fellowships in Chicago Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:39:13 -0500 From: ARIN <info(a)arin.net> To: arin-announce(a)arin.net Never been to an ARIN meeting but always wanted to attend? Then it is time to submit your application for the ARIN 33 Fellowship program to take advantage of this great opportunity to join us in Chicago from 13-16 April 2014. This is a great way to learn more about ARIN services, meet industry peers and start voicing your opinions in policy discussions. Not only does the program serve an educational purpose, but it can also be pretty fun! Take a few minutes and submit your application today at: https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/fellowship.html Selected Fellows will receive free airfare, hotel, and a stipend. Three fellowships are available, one for each area of the ARIN service region: Caribbean, USA, and Canada. This program was developed to encourage new participants, so if you regularly attend ARIN meetings please forwarding this information to a colleague in order to help ARIN cultivate new voices. Please direct any questions you have to info(a)arin.net. Regards, Communications and Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) _______________________________________________ ARIN-Announce You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce(a)arin.net) Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce Please contact info(a)arin.net if you experience any issues. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Nov. 19, 2013

Re: Fwd: AS 7385 - Integra

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56:10AM -0600, Jay Hanke wrote: > Any issues? Can someone look at this? > From: "Meador, Jordan" <Jordan.Meador(a)integratelecom.com> > Subject: AS 7385 - Integra > Hi, we are seeing a link down to you guys, are you aware of a network > event? FWIW: They lost link at the switch at 8:21:16AM CST today, and restored around 11:42AM CST today. We (ipHouse) are talking BGP with them, and everything restored right then too. I don't know how they connect up to the main MICE switch, but that is probably where they have to start looking. Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Nov. 19, 2013

Fwd: AS 7385 - Integra

by Jay Hanke

Any issues? Can someone look at this? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Meador, Jordan" <Jordan.Meador(a)integratelecom.com> Date: Nov 19, 2013 10:50 AM Subject: AS 7385 - Integra To: "peering(a)micemn.net" <peering(a)micemn.net> Cc: Hi, we are seeing a link down to you guys, are you aware of a network event? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Nov. 19, 2013

Re: MICE route server down?

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:49:08PM -0600, Doug McIntyre wrote: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:43:06PM +0000, Anthony Anderberg wrote: > > Confirmed, I can't connect to its management or public addresses. > > The primary route server appears to be running fine so I'm not expecting anyone to have traffic problems. > > The DRAC cards that Nevin donated are sitting on my desk still, > yet to put them in. :-( I'm out here at 511. micemn-02 had locked up hard, which is strange, as I usually don't have any issues. But, I took the oppertunity to pop both DRAC cards into micemn-01 and micemn-02 so we will have remote access down to the machines and can remotely power cycle them or view consoles on each now. So, everybody should have seen micemn-01 cycle while I popped the card in. I waited until everybody was reestablished to micemn-02 so this shouldn't have affected anybody too hard. Due to the lack of a routing table or anything on the DRAC cards, this probably means just my remote control, or local machines on 206.108.255.x/24 from touching them, but I can at least VPN back to the office on the road if really truely needed. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Nov. 12, 2013

Re: MICE route server down?

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:43:06PM +0000, Anthony Anderberg wrote: > Confirmed, I can't connect to its management or public addresses. > The primary route server appears to be running fine so I'm not expecting anyone to have traffic problems. The DRAC cards that Nevin donated are sitting on my desk still, yet to put them in. :-( I could probably make it out there sometime this afternoon, and probably put at least one in. Not sure if others would want the 1st RR to go down after the 2nd is up for a bit so I could install both. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Nov. 12, 2013

Re: MICE route server down?

by Anthony Anderberg

Confirmed, I can't connect to its management or public addresses. The primary route server appears to be running fine so I'm not expecting anyone to have traffic problems. Is anybody close enough to stop by and see what its console looks like? Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Chris Scheidecker Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE route server down? We're unable to ping 206.108.255.2. Anyone know what is going on with it? Chris Scheidecker - Infrastructure Engineer Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2044 Direct Dial Twitter<http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com<http://www.atomicdata.com/> This message and any information or attachments included therewith is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. Thank you. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Nov. 12, 2013

MICE route server down?

by Chris Scheidecker

We're unable to ping 206.108.255.2. Anyone know what is going on with it? Chris Scheidecker - Infrastructure Engineer Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2044 Direct Dial Twitter<http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com<http://www.atomicdata.com/> This message and any information or attachments included therewith is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. Thank you. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Nov. 12, 2013

Nothing to see here...

by Anthony Anderberg

Someday we'll hit 30Gbps, but not today - the massive spike in MICE traffic in the graphs at 2am this morning is just an artifact of the daylight savings switch. It shouldn't affect the long-term trend graphs, but if it does I'll tweak them a little as needed. Easy alarms are the best kind... Cheers, anthony ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Nov. 3, 2013

Re: HE Move Complete

by Chris Scheidecker

Must have been lightning fast--our session did not even go down! Chris Scheidecker - Infrastructure Engineer Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2044 Direct Dial Twitter<http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com<http://www.atomicdata.com/> This message and any information or attachments included therewith is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. Thank you. Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Oct 23, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Jeremy Lumby wrote: I just spoke with Jake who provided the remote hands to move Hurricane Electric to the main switch. The move is complete, and they are passing traffic again. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 23, 2013

HE Move Complete

by Jeremy Lumby

I just spoke with Jake who provided the remote hands to move Hurricane Electric to the main switch. The move is complete, and they are passing traffic again. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 23, 2013

OSX Upgrade Release

by Justin Krejci

I am guessing the release of the free OSX upgrade is related to the sudden spike in MICE traffic again. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-mavericks/id675248567 It might not be a bad idea to monitor your own network pipes for signs of bandwidth contention with the release of a free multi gig upgrade for OSX. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 22, 2013

Arvig - Bidding farewell and hiring new

by Shaun Carlson

For those of you who haven't heard, Mike Bushard is pursuing a new opportunity in his family business and will be leaving Arvig before long. Mike has been an important part of the Arvig team and his contributions will be greatly missed. To that end, Arvig is seeking to add a Senior Network Engineer to our team in the near future. Please see the official posting below: http://arvig.applicantpro.com/jobs/50457.html If you know anyone who might be interested, please pass this link on to them and/or give them my contact information (included below). Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson *Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 22, 2013

Jaguar MICE connection

by Jay Hanke

I'm not able to ping the Jaguar interface across the fabric. Physical Interface on remote switch is showing up, and LLDP is saying the connection goes to Jaguar with almost no traffic. ge-0/0/11 Up 884041 (2) 5596944 (17) Everything ok? -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 20, 2013

Re: Switch swap complete

by Reid Fishler

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! On Oct 17, 2013 1:44 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net> wrote: > The mankato remote switch upgrade is complete. > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 17, 2013

Switch swap complete

by Jay Hanke

The mankato remote switch upgrade is complete. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 17, 2013

Mankato Networks Remote Switch Replacement

by Jay Hanke

The Mankato Networks Remote switch will be upgraded Thursday morning about 6:00 AM. The switch is moving from an EX2200 to an EX3300 allowing for 4 10G ports. All participants on the Remote Switch will have brief interruptions in service while ports are moved except Windomnet and Wikstrom telephone. These connections were moved during the maintenance this afternoon. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 15, 2013

Mankato Networks MICE Emergency Maint this afternoon

by Jay Hanke

We are installing a new switch to replace the existing Mankato Networks Remote switch and increasing the uplink to 10G due to rapid traffic growth. Several members will see a brief outage when their uplinks are moved. If you have NOT been notified and would like to move this afternoon please email me. We are only moving the carriers we have notified off-list. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 14, 2013

Re: USI Port Upgrade

by Justin Krejci

Our upgrade to 10gig is now complete. Thanks everybody that helped. ________________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Anthony Anderberg [anthonyanderberg(a)NU-TELECOM.NET] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 2:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] USI Port Upgrade Opps - I'd forgotten to update our spreadsheet, Xe-0/0/14 is the next available switch port. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 2:45 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] USI Port Upgrade US Internet is moving from their 1G port to a new 10 G port. The new port assignment is xe-0/0/11 on the main switch. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 8, 2013

Re: USI Port Upgrade

by Anthony Anderberg

Opps - I'd forgotten to update our spreadsheet, Xe-0/0/14 is the next available switch port. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 2:45 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] USI Port Upgrade US Internet is moving from their 1G port to a new 10 G port. The new port assignment is xe-0/0/11 on the main switch. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 7, 2013

USI Port Upgrade

by Jay Hanke

US Internet is moving from their 1G port to a new 10 G port. The new port assignment is xe-0/0/11 on the main switch. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 7, 2013

MICE UG 9 Minutes

by Shaun Carlson

Please see attached... s *Shaun Carlson *Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 2, 2013