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UG 15 Reminder

by Shaun Carlson

All, Just a quick reminder that UG 15 is coming up on Wednesday, January 14th. It will be at 4:00 PM at the 511 Building Cafeteria. Please send me any agenda items you may have. Also, please let me know if you will be attending remotely. Thanks and I'll see you all there! s *Shaun Carlson*Senior Manager of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com

Dec. 26, 2014

Re: Arvig has a couple of Job Postings

by Shaun Carlson

All, A quick update, Arvig has posted two additional jobs that I wanted to share with the group. *Network Architect* https://arvig.applicantpro.com/jobs/169838.html *Network Engineer* https://arvig.applicantpro.com/jobs/168720.html Please let me know if you have any questions! s *Shaun Carlson*Senior Manager of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com> wrote: > All, > > I wanted to share that Arvig has a couple of current job postings, please > share with anyone who you think might be interested and qualified. > > *Network Engineering Manager* > https://arvig.applicantpro.com/jobs/164855.html > > *Sales Engineer (Metro)* > https://arvig.applicantpro.com/jobs/162418.html > > *Systems Administrator* > https://arvig.applicantpro.com/jobs/161708.html > > In addition, we will be posting two more technical positions in our > Network Engineering department in the near future at arvig.com/careers. > We'll be looking for a Network Architect and a Network Engineer IV. I'll > share those once their officially posted, however, if you know someone with > interest in the interim, please have them reach out to me. > > Thanks! > > s > > > *Shaun Carlson*Senior Manager of Information Technology | Arvig > ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com >

Dec. 26, 2014

Re: Please Welcome 5nines to MICE

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 03:26:21PM -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: > Port: ge-0/0/12 NB: Changed to ge-0/0/30 per later discussion.. > Name: 5 Nines > ASN: 16842 > IPv4: 206.108.255.39/24 > IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:41ca::1 > Peering Contact: tk(a)5nines.com > > Route Server and Switch config please. Note this is a GE fiber > connection on the main switch not 10GE. Welcome onboard! Port so notated, and the RR's are setup with this data. They are all set to go once the cross connect is in place. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Dec. 24, 2014

Re: Please Welcome 5nines to MICE

by Richard Laager

On Tue, 2014-12-23 at 16:15 -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: > Richard- Are you seeing port 0/0/30 available? 0/0/30 is available. I'll update that for 5nines. -- Richard

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: Please Welcome 5nines to MICE

by Jason Hanke

It looks like the Google docs are off from what's on the web and in the switch. Richard- Are you seeing port 0/0/30 available? On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > On Tue, 2014-12-23 at 15:57 -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: >> Yes, 1/x/x is the 4200. 0/x/x is the 4500 > > So with 0/0/12 already allocated to the GigaPoP, which port should we > use for 5nines instead? > > -- > Richard -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: Please Welcome 5nines to MICE

by Richard Laager

On Tue, 2014-12-23 at 15:57 -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: > Yes, 1/x/x is the 4200. 0/x/x is the 4500 So with 0/0/12 already allocated to the GigaPoP, which port should we use for 5nines instead? -- Richard

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: Please Welcome 5nines to MICE

by Jason Hanke

Yes, 1/x/x is the 4200. 0/x/x is the 4500 On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > On Tue, 2014-12-23 at 15:26 -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: >> Port: ge-0/0/12 > > 0/0/12 is already allocated to the GigaPoP. > > The other port 12 (ge-1/0/12) is allocated to Emergent Networks, though > they haven't connected. But that's the copper switch, right? > > -- > Richard -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: Please Welcome 5nines to MICE

by Richard Laager

On Tue, 2014-12-23 at 15:26 -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: > Port: ge-0/0/12 0/0/12 is already allocated to the GigaPoP. The other port 12 (ge-1/0/12) is allocated to Emergent Networks, though they haven't connected. But that's the copper switch, right? -- Richard

Dec. 23, 2014

Please Welcome 5nines to MICE

by Jason Hanke

Port: ge-0/0/12 Name: 5 Nines ASN: 16842 IPv4: 206.108.255.39/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:41ca::1 Peering Contact: tk(a)5nines.com Route Server and Switch config please. Note this is a GE fiber connection on the main switch not 10GE. tk- please send your SFP to Cologix and they will pop it in for you at time of xconn. Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Dec. 23, 2014

Happy Holidays

by David Farmer

Happy Holidays to everyone. Because of the Holidays and the Winter Break in the Academic Calendar the GigaPOP's traffic will be down markedly for the next Month or so. Traffic levels will recover slowly after the first of the year once the Holidays are over and various GigaPOP Participants (AKA Customers) start to return to classes. However, traffic levels will not fully return to normal until after MLK Day when the University of Minnesota and several other participants begin their Spring Semesters. Joy and Peace to you and your families in 2015. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================

Dec. 22, 2014

NorthernLights GigaPoP router maintenance 12/22/14

by Colin Murphy

Hi All, Please expect our port-channel link to the exchange point to go down for 10 to 20 minutes while we reload the router on the 22nd at 4:30 am. Thanks, Colin Murphy Network Engineer Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota NorthernLights GigaPoP Desk: 612-626-0870

Dec. 18, 2014

Mice Cacti

by Justin Krejci

We will be performing some router reboots over this upcoming weekend so the cacti data will likely be missing a little bit of data as our MICE link drops during the reboot.

Dec. 17, 2014

Re: Google Additional LAG

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 08:00:06AM -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: > Google will be adding an additional LAG Group (ae7) with their newly > assigned ports. > > xe-0/0/31 > Google (ae7) > 36040 > 206.108.255.34/24 > 2001:504:27:0:0:8cc8::2/64 > peering(a)google.com I have ae7.0 setup and ready, with the single member xe-0/0/31. I assume they'll work with Jeremy about bringing up this 4th link, and cutting their 3rd link into this group. I see optics are already placed. RR's are setup for the 2nd BGP peering, and they are all set when they are ready to go. Wow, 25Gbps+ peaks on Google the last few nights. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Dec. 16, 2014

Google Additional LAG

by Jason Hanke

Google will be adding an additional LAG Group (ae7) with their newly assigned ports. xe-0/0/31 Google (ae7) 36040 206.108.255.34/24 2001:504:27:0:0:8cc8::2/64 peering(a)google.com Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Dec. 16, 2014

Re: Please welcome Longlines to MICE!

by Doug McIntyre

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 08:22:47AM -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: > Dan, > I see the port up and graphing keep alive traffic all weekend. > Port should be untagged and all spanning-tree stuff turned off. > [image: Main Switch - Traffic - xe-0/0/10] Specificly, make sure that you are configured to not send BPDUs. Right now, you are, and getting shut down due to that. > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Dan Winkel <Dan.Winkel(a)longlines.biz> > wrote: > > > > Thanks Jay, > > > > Our port is not coming up. Can you confirm your side is configured? > > > > If so I will have the Cologix team roll the fibers. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > On 12/12/14, 5:27 PM, "Jason Hanke" <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> wrote: > > > > >Main Switch port xe-0/0/10 > > >Longlines > > >ASN 32867 > > >IPv4:206.108.255.38/24 > > >IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::382001:504:27:0:0:8063::1 > > >Peering Contact: Dan.Winkel(a)longlines.biz > > > > > >Route server configuration please. > > > > > >Also note, xe-0/0/10 was previously allocated to Arcustech, LLC. They > > >are not ready to connect yet and will request a port assignment when > > >ready. Arcustech will retain their previously assigned IP information. > > > > > >Welcome aboard! > > > > > >-- > > >Jay Hanke > > >CTO > > >Neutral Path Communications > > >3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > > >Mankato, MN 56001 > > >(507) 327-2398 mobile > > >jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > > >www.neutralpath.net > > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Dec. 15, 2014

Re: Please welcome Longlines to MICE!

by Jason Hanke

Dan, I see the port up and graphing keep alive traffic all weekend. Port should be untagged and all spanning-tree stuff turned off. [image: Main Switch - Traffic - xe-0/0/10] On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Dan Winkel <Dan.Winkel(a)longlines.biz> wrote: > > Thanks Jay, > > Our port is not coming up. Can you confirm your side is configured? > > If so I will have the Cologix team roll the fibers. > > Dan > > > > On 12/12/14, 5:27 PM, "Jason Hanke" <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> wrote: > > >Main Switch port xe-0/0/10 > >Longlines > >ASN 32867 > >IPv4:206.108.255.38/24 > >IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::382001:504:27:0:0:8063::1 > >Peering Contact: Dan.Winkel(a)longlines.biz > > > >Route server configuration please. > > > >Also note, xe-0/0/10 was previously allocated to Arcustech, LLC. They > >are not ready to connect yet and will request a port assignment when > >ready. Arcustech will retain their previously assigned IP information. > > > >Welcome aboard! > > > >-- > >Jay Hanke > >CTO > >Neutral Path Communications > >3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > >Mankato, MN 56001 > >(507) 327-2398 mobile > >jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > >www.neutralpath.net > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Dec. 15, 2014

Re: Additional Google Port

by Doug McIntyre

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 04:15:39PM -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: > Please allocate xe-0/0/31 on the main switch for Google. The port will need > to be added to the Google LAG group (ae4). Wowzers, thats a whole lotta YouTube. Okay, 4th port added in and part of the same LAG group, ready for turnup. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Dec. 12, 2014

Additional Google Port

by Jason Hanke

Please allocate xe-0/0/31 on the main switch for Google. The port will need to be added to the Google LAG group (ae4). Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Dec. 12, 2014

Re: Please welcome Longlines to MICE!

by Doug McIntyre

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:27:10AM -0600, Jason Hanke wrote: > Main Switch port xe-0/0/10 > Longlines > ASN 32867 > IPv4:206.108.255.38/24 > IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::382001:504:27:0:0:8063::1 > Peering Contact: Dan.Winkel(a)longlines.biz > > Route server configuration please. Sure, they are all set. Welcome! -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Dec. 12, 2014

Please welcome Longlines to MICE!

by Jason Hanke

Main Switch port xe-0/0/10 Longlines ASN 32867 IPv4:206.108.255.38/24 IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::382001:504:27:0:0:8063::1 Peering Contact: Dan.Winkel(a)longlines.biz Route server configuration please. Also note, xe-0/0/10 was previously allocated to Arcustech, LLC. They are not ready to connect yet and will request a port assignment when ready. Arcustech will retain their previously assigned IP information. Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Dec. 12, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Dan Boehlke

An incomplete list of possible reasons: - A history of building networks going back to the late 1970’s, originally for long distance bypass for mainframes like MECC, TIES, MERITS. - School districts, cities and counties willing to build fiber over the last 15 years. - We were one of the first markets for DSL, which really lit the match for the burning need for more speed. - The conception, failure and re-use of the Connecting Minnesota project which would have built the state of MN a fiber network, but became the seed for a growing backbone after the courts stopped the State’s parts of the project and many of the building companies failed allowing the fiber to be bought by people willing to light it. - Fiber companies, like Access Communications, who had enough vision to add fibers for future resale while building it. - Companies who built and are building fiber for Verizon and other cell tower owners and like the schools are adding fibers for their own use. - Rural Telephone companies who built fiber by taking advantage of federal money to do so, and now they have networks to light right when the need it. A long winter when it is dark 16 hours a day and there is little to do other than surf the web and plan to build fiber once it gets warm. That said I still don’t have fiber to my house. :-( It is frustratingly 1.5 blocks to the north and 1 block to the south. -- Dan Boehlke > On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org> wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:14:35PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? > > Target? > 3M? > Cargill? > > About 100 more of the fortune 1000 :) > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 6, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

That's awesome! I never knew. Best, Marty > On Dec 5, 2014, at 21:35, Asp, David <David.Asp(a)CO.DAKOTA.MN.US> wrote: > > http://johnweeks.com/tour/fortune1000/index.html > > List of fortune 1000 companies in Minnesota > > David Asp > Dakota County, MN > > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:54 PM, "Mike Horwath" <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:14:35PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >>> Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? >> >> Target? >> 3M? >> Cargill? >> >> About 100 more of the fortune 1000 :) >> >> -- >> Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 6, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Asp, David

http://johnweeks.com/tour/fortune1000/index.html List of fortune 1000 companies in Minnesota David Asp Dakota County, MN Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:54 PM, "Mike Horwath" <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:14:35PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? > > Target? > 3M? > Cargill? > > About 100 more of the fortune 1000 :) > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 6, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:17:58PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > Marty- > I welcome you to Minnesota, the land of 10000 lakes, and 10000 CLECS. :-) They used to call them PILECs or participating incumbent local exchange carrier. I shit you not. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 6, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:14:35PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? Target? 3M? Cargill? About 100 more of the fortune 1000 :) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 6, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

We'll disagree and leave it at that. Best, -M< On Dec 5, 2014, at 18:12, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET<mailto:rfishler@HE.NET>> wrote: Money will ALWAYS be able to buy fiber. Heck, Jay can plow it for us if the $'s get high enough. My point just was that I don't think someone will give us fiber between sites, a system to support said fiber channels, and the rack/space/etc. I welcome someone if they want to do so...we are not married to one site, just looking at the honest facts. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org<mailto:drechsau@geeks.org>> wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! I can't agree with this. I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an affordable fashion. Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing was lit on the panel that I could see) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG<mailto:drechsau@Geeks.ORG> -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

Marty- I welcome you to Minnesota, the land of 10000 lakes, and 10000 CLECS. :-) Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > Right. Issue is utilization. If you can go passive 100 that's cheapish > compared to transit at n utilization and minus 9 x-con fees over useful > life etc. > > The other option is shared WDM. Some are asking for that option in many > places and seeing it happen. Not really managed waves. > > Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 18:09, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > >> Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > > > I can't agree with this. > > > > I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an > > affordable fashion. > > > > Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and > > 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. > > > > (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS > > was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing > > was lit on the panel that I could see) > > > > -- > > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

Right. Issue is utilization. If you can go passive 100 that's cheapish compared to transit at n utilization and minus 9 x-con fees over useful life etc. The other option is shared WDM. Some are asking for that option in many places and seeing it happen. Not really managed waves. Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? > On Dec 5, 2014, at 18:09, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: >> Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > I can't agree with this. > > I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an > affordable fashion. > > Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and > 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. > > (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS > was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing > was lit on the panel that I could see) > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

Money will ALWAYS be able to buy fiber. Heck, Jay can plow it for us if the $'s get high enough. My point just was that I don't think someone will give us fiber between sites, a system to support said fiber channels, and the rack/space/etc. I welcome someone if they want to do so...we are not married to one site, just looking at the honest facts. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > I can't agree with this. > > I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an > affordable fashion. > > Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and > 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. > > (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS > was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing > was lit on the panel that I could see) > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! I can't agree with this. I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an affordable fashion. Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing was lit on the panel that I could see) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Fibers and Stuffs Was: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)NEUTRALPATH.NET> wrote: > > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > > > Reid > > Reid, > > http://www.zayo.com/network/metro-fiber-maps/minneapolis-st-paul-mn > > and at least one competitor > > http://maps.level3.com/default/#.VIIwJYcyHZA > > I'm pretty sure L3 won't sell dark fiber in Minneapolis or Minnesota… It looks like there are two facilities serving the area, a gateway and possibly a regen/aggregator. The maps reads like on-net sales. Anyone? Zayo does for sure. Best, -M<

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Fibers and Stuffs Was: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Jason Hanke

> > > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > > > Reid > > Reid, > > http://www.zayo.com/network/metro-fiber-maps/minneapolis-st-paul-mn > > and at least one competitor > > http://maps.level3.com/default/#.VIIwJYcyHZA I'm pretty sure L3 won't sell dark fiber in Minneapolis or Minnesota... -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Dec. 5, 2014

Fibers and Stuffs Was: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > Reid Reid, http://www.zayo.com/network/metro-fiber-maps/minneapolis-st-paul-mn and at least one competitor http://maps.level3.com/default/#.VIIwJYcyHZA Download the Zayo .kmz here http://www.zayo.com/images/uploads/resources/Network/Network_Overview/KMZ_U… Lookie, straight into 55! Best, -M<

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2014, at 4:47 PM, David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU> wrote: > On 12/5/14, 14:52 , Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> >> On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: >> >>> Marty- >>> What facility would you like to create a leaf node in? There really is no other facility of note in the MSP area. >>> >>> Reid >> >> You tell me. I heard there was a Zayo or other competitive facility somewhere in the area. Perhaps the local team knows more? >> >> Best, > > I think an alternate location is important and necessary for the > long-term stability of our market. However, there are two near-term > problems, 501(c)(x) status (where probably x=6), and a hardware upgrade > that we need to focus on first. An additional location is pointless if > we don't survive our burst of success in the current location. > Agreed. > I need to apologize, between travel in late October and early November, > a bad cold in Mid-November, and the holiday I haven't made much progress > on a upgrade plan. I hope to make some good progress over the next > couple weeks. > > A member survey of expansion plans was brought up, I think that is a > wonderful idea especially to provide some data to go with a upgrade > plan. Is someone willing to take on the task of a member survey? > /raises hand -- but needs at least one or two locals to be a win. Best, -M<

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by David Farmer

On 12/5/14, 14:52 , Hannigan, Martin wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > >> Marty- >> What facility would you like to create a leaf node in? There really is no other facility of note in the MSP area. >> >> Reid > > You tell me. I heard there was a Zayo or other competitive facility somewhere in the area. Perhaps the local team knows more? > > Best, I think an alternate location is important and necessary for the long-term stability of our market. However, there are two near-term problems, 501(c)(x) status (where probably x=6), and a hardware upgrade that we need to focus on first. An additional location is pointless if we don't survive our burst of success in the current location. I need to apologize, between travel in late October and early November, a bad cold in Mid-November, and the holiday I haven't made much progress on a upgrade plan. I hope to make some good progress over the next couple weeks. A member survey of expansion plans was brought up, I think that is a wonderful idea especially to provide some data to go with a upgrade plan. Is someone willing to take on the task of a member survey? Thanks. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > > > Marty- > > This would be great in an ideal world with free bandwidth, fiber and > equipment...and if there were tons of additional colos in a market like > MSP. As far as I know MSP isn't NOVA. > > > > > Yes it would. And it's doable when things are right. I think the MICE is > right. Don't know about the local footprint, but from what I have learned > in the dump of private emails I've received from this thread sounds like it. > > There are a number of IXPs of the same size or with the same potential as > the MICE that are able to negotiate free space, power and fiber. > > Just sayin. :-) > > Best, > > -M< > > > > > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > Marty- > This would be great in an ideal world with free bandwidth, fiber and equipment...and if there were tons of additional colos in a market like MSP. As far as I know MSP isn't NOVA. > Yes it would. And it's doable when things are right. I think the MICE is right. Don't know about the local footprint, but from what I have learned in the dump of private emails I've received from this thread sounds like it. There are a number of IXPs of the same size or with the same potential as the MICE that are able to negotiate free space, power and fiber. Just sayin. :-) Best, -M<

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

Marty- This would be great in an ideal world with free bandwidth, fiber and equipment...and if there were tons of additional colos in a market like MSP. As far as I know MSP isn't NOVA. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET> wrote: > > > On 12/05/2014 03:01 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > >> On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > >> > >>> We covered this in a couple of our last meetings. There is a full > Onvoy/Zayo facility. There isn't much interest there as its full, and its > mostly voice carriers there. There is a Viawest facility opening, but Shaw > has that covered. There is a facility that houses most of the Canadian > carriers, but they aren't interested in peering. > >> So ViaWest and Zayo don't want to compete? I'll make a few calls and > check on that. > >> > > > > Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but what benefit would MICE gain > > or what problem is this trying to solve ? > > I'd like to have at least one or two more places to tap into the IXP from > so that I can use it as leverage when I negotiate space and power with all > of you. Especially for PNIs which is on the horizon. > > When an IXP grows, it make sense to peel off traffic vs. leave it all on > the exchange. A variety of reasons including cost. In fact, if a fee were > to be implemented for ports you'd probably see some of that happen with > more frequency than you do now. But when I do that, I want choices and I > want to still be able to connect. Cake. Ice Cream. Save Money. > > > Best, > > -M< > > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET> wrote: > On 12/05/2014 03:01 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: >> >>> We covered this in a couple of our last meetings. There is a full Onvoy/Zayo facility. There isn't much interest there as its full, and its mostly voice carriers there. There is a Viawest facility opening, but Shaw has that covered. There is a facility that houses most of the Canadian carriers, but they aren't interested in peering. >> So ViaWest and Zayo don't want to compete? I'll make a few calls and check on that. >> > > Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but what benefit would MICE gain > or what problem is this trying to solve ? I'd like to have at least one or two more places to tap into the IXP from so that I can use it as leverage when I negotiate space and power with all of you. Especially for PNIs which is on the horizon. When an IXP grows, it make sense to peel off traffic vs. leave it all on the exchange. A variety of reasons including cost. In fact, if a fee were to be implemented for ports you'd probably see some of that happen with more frequency than you do now. But when I do that, I want choices and I want to still be able to connect. Cake. Ice Cream. Save Money. Best, -M<

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Steve Howard

On 12/05/2014 03:01 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > >> We covered this in a couple of our last meetings. There is a full Onvoy/Zayo facility. There isn't much interest there as its full, and its mostly voice carriers there. There is a Viawest facility opening, but Shaw has that covered. There is a facility that houses most of the Canadian carriers, but they aren't interested in peering. > So ViaWest and Zayo don't want to compete? I'll make a few calls and check on that. > Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but what benefit would MICE gain or what problem is this trying to solve ?

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

Viawest is Shaw. I can't anyone there that can currently speak for their plans. When I asked before the merger, I was told that they would 'consider' it, but that networks were not their 'main business focus'. Zayos facility is full last I asked. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > > > We covered this in a couple of our last meetings. There is a full > Onvoy/Zayo facility. There isn't much interest there as its full, and its > mostly voice carriers there. There is a Viawest facility opening, but Shaw > has that covered. There is a facility that houses most of the Canadian > carriers, but they aren't interested in peering. > > So ViaWest and Zayo don't want to compete? I'll make a few calls and check > on that. > > Best, > > -M< > > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > We covered this in a couple of our last meetings. There is a full Onvoy/Zayo facility. There isn't much interest there as its full, and its mostly voice carriers there. There is a Viawest facility opening, but Shaw has that covered. There is a facility that houses most of the Canadian carriers, but they aren't interested in peering. So ViaWest and Zayo don't want to compete? I'll make a few calls and check on that. Best, -M<

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

We covered this in a couple of our last meetings. There is a full Onvoy/Zayo facility. There isn't much interest there as its full, and its mostly voice carriers there. There is a Viawest facility opening, but Shaw has that covered. There is a facility that houses most of the Canadian carriers, but they aren't interested in peering. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > > > Marty- > > What facility would you like to create a leaf node in? There really is > no other facility of note in the MSP area. > > > > Reid > > You tell me. I heard there was a Zayo or other competitive facility > somewhere in the area. Perhaps the local team knows more? > > Best, > > -M< > > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > Marty- > What facility would you like to create a leaf node in? There really is no other facility of note in the MSP area. > > Reid You tell me. I heard there was a Zayo or other competitive facility somewhere in the area. Perhaps the local team knows more? Best, -M<

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

Marty- What facility would you like to create a leaf node in? There really is no other facility of note in the MSP area. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:08:02AM -0600, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > > > >> Virtual Chassis backplane is only 128Gbps (2x64Gbps), which seems > >> like alot, but given how much of traffic the exchange is doing,> > >> could quickly become an oversubscribed bottleneck. > > > > Or just move to 4550's at $9K each + cables for 256Gbps (2x128Gbps) > > stacking, and even add in the QSFP module for 40Gbps additional > > capacity. > > > > This is all resolvable with money - money from port fees would have > > covered this. > > > > Poking the dead-horse that really is alive and kicking. > > > > Leading from behind! I am Hindmost, back-seat driver, and overall > > captain obvious.. > > > > Before anyone starts talking about port fees, more work needs to be done > to come up with exactly what it is we need and then how to get it. > > A few observations. From the traffic graph, and smoothing the anomalous > burst caused by new connections, the growth rate probably matches the > Internets minus something to account for the content players - which could > be applied as anywhere from 50% to 100% YoY, market dependent. If you're > going to deploy additional hardware, how about a plan for at least three > years of growth to minimize the cycles of ask/receive? A member survey > asking about planning and growth would be helpful. We need a leaf node in > another facility IMHO to also create some market pressure to keep costs low. > > Best, > > -M< > > > > > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:08:02AM -0600, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > >> Virtual Chassis backplane is only 128Gbps (2x64Gbps), which seems >> like alot, but given how much of traffic the exchange is doing,> >> could quickly become an oversubscribed bottleneck. > > Or just move to 4550's at $9K each + cables for 256Gbps (2x128Gbps) > stacking, and even add in the QSFP module for 40Gbps additional > capacity. > > This is all resolvable with money - money from port fees would have > covered this. > > Poking the dead-horse that really is alive and kicking. > > Leading from behind! I am Hindmost, back-seat driver, and overall > captain obvious.. Before anyone starts talking about port fees, more work needs to be done to come up with exactly what it is we need and then how to get it. A few observations. From the traffic graph, and smoothing the anomalous burst caused by new connections, the growth rate probably matches the Internets minus something to account for the content players - which could be applied as anywhere from 50% to 100% YoY, market dependent. If you're going to deploy additional hardware, how about a plan for at least three years of growth to minimize the cycles of ask/receive? A member survey asking about planning and growth would be helpful. We need a leaf node in another facility IMHO to also create some market pressure to keep costs low. Best, -M<

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

There have been some objections to the fee, as well as some problems in accepting monies in a larger amount. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > Has there been any serious push to institute a fee associated with > connecting to MICE? > If not, can it be put on the agenda for the board to sort out/implement? > If not, can we do a referendum? (too lazy ATM to read if by-laws even > allow a referendum) > <sarcasm> > If not, well it's been good while it lasted > </sarcasm> > > I think MICE revenue generation (pre or post acquisition of IRS non-profit > status) should be top priority at this point in time. > > > ________________________________________ > From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike > Horwath [drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG] > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 2:11 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G > > On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:08:02AM -0600, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > > > Virtual Chassis backplane is only 128Gbps (2x64Gbps), which seems > > like alot, but given how much of traffic the exchange is doing,> > > could quickly become an oversubscribed bottleneck. > > Or just move to 4550's at $9K each + cables for 256Gbps (2x128Gbps) > stacking, and even add in the QSFP module for 40Gbps additional > capacity. > > This is all resolvable with money - money from port fees would have > covered this. > > Poking the dead-horse that really is alive and kicking. > > Leading from behind! I am Hindmost, back-seat driver, and overall > captain obvious.. > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Shaun Carlson

We will add it to the agenda again, it's been tabled the last several times as we've been working towards the non-profit status. To date, we've, as a group, chosen to rely on donations to meet needs. s *Shaun Carlson*Senior Manager of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > Has there been any serious push to institute a fee associated with > connecting to MICE? > If not, can it be put on the agenda for the board to sort out/implement? > If not, can we do a referendum? (too lazy ATM to read if by-laws even > allow a referendum) > <sarcasm> > If not, well it's been good while it lasted > </sarcasm> > > I think MICE revenue generation (pre or post acquisition of IRS non-profit > status) should be top priority at this point in time. > > > ________________________________________ > From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike > Horwath [drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG] > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 2:11 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G > > On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:08:02AM -0600, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > > > Virtual Chassis backplane is only 128Gbps (2x64Gbps), which seems > > like alot, but given how much of traffic the exchange is doing,> > > could quickly become an oversubscribed bottleneck. > > Or just move to 4550's at $9K each + cables for 256Gbps (2x128Gbps) > stacking, and even add in the QSFP module for 40Gbps additional > capacity. > > This is all resolvable with money - money from port fees would have > covered this. > > Poking the dead-horse that really is alive and kicking. > > Leading from behind! I am Hindmost, back-seat driver, and overall > captain obvious.. > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG >

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Justin Krejci

Has there been any serious push to institute a fee associated with connecting to MICE? If not, can it be put on the agenda for the board to sort out/implement? If not, can we do a referendum? (too lazy ATM to read if by-laws even allow a referendum) <sarcasm> If not, well it's been good while it lasted </sarcasm> I think MICE revenue generation (pre or post acquisition of IRS non-profit status) should be top priority at this point in time. ________________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike Horwath [drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 2:11 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:08:02AM -0600, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > Virtual Chassis backplane is only 128Gbps (2x64Gbps), which seems > like alot, but given how much of traffic the exchange is doing,> > could quickly become an oversubscribed bottleneck. Or just move to 4550's at $9K each + cables for 256Gbps (2x128Gbps) stacking, and even add in the QSFP module for 40Gbps additional capacity. This is all resolvable with money - money from port fees would have covered this. Poking the dead-horse that really is alive and kicking. Leading from behind! I am Hindmost, back-seat driver, and overall captain obvious.. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Mike Horwath

On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:08:02AM -0600, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > Virtual Chassis backplane is only 128Gbps (2x64Gbps), which seems > like alot, but given how much of traffic the exchange is doing,> > could quickly become an oversubscribed bottleneck. Or just move to 4550's at $9K each + cables for 256Gbps (2x128Gbps) stacking, and even add in the QSFP module for 40Gbps additional capacity. This is all resolvable with money - money from port fees would have covered this. Poking the dead-horse that really is alive and kicking. Leading from behind! I am Hindmost, back-seat driver, and overall captain obvious.. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 5, 2014