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Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

i asked Mark about MADIX and had a <facepalm> moment when he replied. MICE is already a member of the ISPCP constituency -- that happened when i started out. MADIX is not. so reestablishing MICE's representation was one of the things on Mark's mind when he approached me. mike > On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:42 AM, DeLong, Owen <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> wrote: > > FWIW, I've know Mark for years and he's as dedicated an internet "public servant" as you'll ever find. He's knowledgeable, thoughtful, well known and well respected throughout many operational and governance/policy oriented groups and generally an all around good guy. > > I can't think of anyone I would consider a better candidate for the position. > > Owen > > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:24, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@HAVEN2.COM>> wrote: > >> hi Justin, >> >> i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group? >> >> i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions. >> >> another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. >> >> thanks, >> >> mike >> >> >>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM <mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. >>> >>> I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. >>> >>> The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: >>> >>> Quick excerpt: >>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…> >>> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i… <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_proceedin…> >>> >>> >>> He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. >>> >>> I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>> >>> hi Justin, >>> >>> no worries. >>> >>> ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. >>> >>> Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. >>> >>> make sense? >>> >>> mike >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM <mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? >>>> >>>> I am just confused by this whole request. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM >>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>> >>>> Works for me as well. >>>> >>>> FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. >>>> >>>> Owen >>>> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You have my vote >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jeremy Lumby >>>>> Minnesota VoIP >>>>> 9217 17th Ave S >>>>> Suite 216 >>>>> Bloomington MN 55425 >>>>> Main 612-355-7740 >>>>> Direct 612-392-6814 >>>>> EFax 952-873-7425 >>>>> jlumny(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>> >>>>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) >>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>>> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>> >>>>> From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >>>>> To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] >>>>> Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 >>>>> hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. >>>>> >>>>> i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. >>>>> >>>>> ICANN: >>>>> I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. >>>>> I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. >>>>> I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. >>>>> While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. >>>>> My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. >>>>> I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Mark >>>>> Mark McFadden >>>>> Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications >>>>> >>>>> what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? >>>>> >>>>> thanks for considering this idea, >>>>> >>>>> mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 15, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Steve Howard

June 15, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by DeLong, Owen

FWIW, I've know Mark for years and he's as dedicated an internet "public servant" as you'll ever find. He's knowledgeable, thoughtful, well known and well respected throughout many operational and governance/policy oriented groups and generally an all around good guy. I can't think of anyone I would consider a better candidate for the position. Owen On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:24, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@HAVEN2.COM>> wrote: hi Justin, i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group? i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions. another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. thanks, mike On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: Quick excerpt: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_proceedin…> He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? hi Justin, no worries. ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. make sense? mike On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? I am just confused by this whole request. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? Works for me as well. FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. Owen On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: You have my vote Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Main 612-355-7740 Direct 612-392-6814 EFax 952-873-7425 jlumny(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? ________________________________ >From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>] To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 hi all, Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. ICANN: I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I've worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. Best regards, Mark Mark McFadden Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? thanks for considering this idea, mike WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

June 15, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

yep, that's my guess as well. i pinged him about MADIX, haven't heard back. it might be simpler for him to do that -- he and i both know the folks that run the IXP. i think it would be our loss if he went that way. i'm feeling a little guilty about all the bandwidth this has consumed. can i get a sense of the group as to what i should tell him? thanks, mike > On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)ARVIG.COM> wrote: > > Relationship to Mike O'Connor? > > Likes MICE better because of our growth and success? > > > Ben Wiechman > Network Engineer IV > Direct: 320.256.0184 > Cell: 320.247.3224 > ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com <http://arvig.com/> > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net <mailto:rfishler@he.net>> wrote: > I don't know him, but why wouldn't he go under MADIX if he is Madison based? > > Reid > > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com <mailto:mike@haven2.com>> wrote: > hi all, > > sorry to be a little sluggish - (rural) County broadband meeting tonight. > > i view Mark the same way i would view any extremely capable/credible person who offered to represent us pro bono in a policy body that's relevant to our mission. in exchange for that, he gets to continue to participate in a constituency that a) he was the founding Secretariat for and b) has participated in for 15 years or better. > > he might try to persuade us to reconsider, but at the end of the day we would count on him represent our views not his own (like i did before him). > > since i filled this role for some time, and also had the MICE name next to mine, i'd gently resist the notion that having somebody like Mark represent us at ICANN would cheapen MICE's reputation. i'm pretty sure that Mark would be happy to become a member if there's a mechanism for an individual supporter of MICE to do that. as would i. > > to Justin's point -- i didn't mean to cast MICE as a representative of ISPs. i've been using shorthand for the full name of the constituency, which is the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers constituency. as such the constituency of ICANN is home to both ISPs and IXPs and the two kinds of organizations coexist quite comfortably there, since their interests are generally quite closely aligned. > > in general, if an organization sells domain names, they participate in ICANN through the Registrar Constituency. i editorialized a bit with the word "simply" -- my bad. > > mike > > >> On Jun 14, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET <mailto:showard@paulbunyan.net>> wrote: >> >> This is not meant to negatively reflect upon Mark and I apologize if I have misunderstood the situation (wouldn't be the first time!). I'm having trouble understanding this request. >> >> It seems like Mark wants to be involved in ICANN policy and is trying to find a place to fit himself in. He wants to represent MICE, but doesn't really have anything to do with the organization. How can he be a true representative if he hasn't been involved? I'm not a fan of placing the MICE name next to somebody who isn't a member, hasn't been actively involved, and doesn't have an ongoing role in its future. I think doing so would cheapen MICE's reputation. >> >> >> >> >> On 06/14/2017 05:16 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: >>> I agree with your sentiments and stated efforts wholeheartedly, I only disagree with classifying MICE as a representative of ISPs, be they member ISPs or the ISP community in general. MICE is its own entity that serves ISPs and non-ISPs alike. MICE also is not an ISP and also does not rely on DNS for it to function. MICE also does not represent ISPs, it services ISPs but it very likely does (or could) service organizations as well that "simply want to sell more domains," as you put it. >>> >>> Of course I do not speak for all of MICE by any means, I am just merely trying to be pragmatic and ask questions to better understand the situation and request. I just don't know if using the name of MICE as a form of representing ISPs (which seems to be your position) is appropriate. What if members of MICE hold strongly opposing views to what Mark McFadden will fight for? This is why I feel it would be appropriate to have something more formally approved. >>> >>> Again, I personally feel that a proper and stable DNS is significantly important to the well functioning of the Internet as a whole which and as such I feel your efforts and request in this regard are not wasted and are not inappropriate; I am mostly just playing devils advocate here. >>> >>> >From what I have read about Mark, I would give him a thumbs up in his efforts at ICANN. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@HAVEN2.COM>] >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:23 PM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>> >>> hi Justin, >>> >>> i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group? >>> >>> i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions. >>> >>> another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> mike >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM <mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. >>>> >>>> I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. >>>> >>>> The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: >>>> >>>> Quick excerpt: >>>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i… <https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i…> >>>> >>>> >>>> He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. >>>> >>>> I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM >>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>> >>>> hi Justin, >>>> >>>> no worries. >>>> >>>> ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. >>>> >>>> Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. >>>> >>>> make sense? >>>> >>>> mike >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM <mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? >>>>> >>>>> I am just confused by this whole request. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM >>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>> >>>>> Works for me as well. >>>>> >>>>> FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. >>>>> >>>>> Owen >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You have my vote >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Lumby >>>>>> Minnesota VoIP >>>>>> 9217 17th Ave S >>>>>> Suite 216 >>>>>> Bloomington MN 55425 >>>>>> Main 612-355-7740 <tel:(612)%20355-7740> >>>>>> Direct 612-392-6814 <tel:(612)%20392-6814> >>>>>> EFax 952-873-7425 <tel:(952)%20873-7425> >>>>>> jlumny(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>> From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>> >>>>>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) >>>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>>>> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>>> >>>>>> From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >>>>>> To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] >>>>>> Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 >>>>>> hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. >>>>>> >>>>>> i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. >>>>>> >>>>>> ICANN: >>>>>> I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. >>>>>> I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. >>>>>> I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. >>>>>> While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. >>>>>> My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. >>>>>> I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> Mark McFadden >>>>>> Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications >>>>>> >>>>>> what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for considering this idea, >>>>>> >>>>>> mike >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> WI:(715) 598-4284 <tel:(715)%20598-4284> MN:(651) 647-6109 <tel:(651)%20647-6109> Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 <tel:(800)%20896-0907> Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >>>> WI:(715) 598-4284 <tel:(715)%20598-4284> MN:(651) 647-6109 <tel:(651)%20647-6109> Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 <tel:(800)%20896-0907> Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >>> WI:(715) 598-4284 <tel:(715)%20598-4284> MN:(651) 647-6109 <tel:(651)%20647-6109> Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 <tel:(800)%20896-0907> Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > WI:(715) 598-4284 <tel:(715)%20598-4284> MN:(651) 647-6109 <tel:(651)%20647-6109> Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 <tel:(800)%20896-0907> Fax:(866)-280-2356 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > > > -- > Reid Fishler > Director > Hurricane Electric > +1-510-580-4178 <tel:(510)%20580-4178> > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 15, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Andrew Hoyos

MadIX doesn't have a real structure to "go under". It's ran by the University of Wisconsin. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)ARVIG.COM> wrote: > > Relationship to Mike O'Connor? > > Likes MICE better because of our growth and success? > > > Ben Wiechman > Network Engineer IV > Direct: 320.256.0184 > Cell: 320.247.3224 > ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > > 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com > >> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: >> I don't know him, but why wouldn't he go under MADIX if he is Madison based? >> >> Reid >> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com> wrote: >>> hi all, >>> >>> sorry to be a little sluggish - (rural) County broadband meeting tonight. >>> >>> i view Mark the same way i would view any extremely capable/credible person who offered to represent us pro bono in a policy body that's relevant to our mission. in exchange for that, he gets to continue to participate in a constituency that a) he was the founding Secretariat for and b) has participated in for 15 years or better. >>> >>> he might try to persuade us to reconsider, but at the end of the day we would count on him represent our views not his own (like i did before him). >>> >>> since i filled this role for some time, and also had the MICE name next to mine, i'd gently resist the notion that having somebody like Mark represent us at ICANN would cheapen MICE's reputation. i'm pretty sure that Mark would be happy to become a member if there's a mechanism for an individual supporter of MICE to do that. as would i. >>> >>> to Justin's point -- i didn't mean to cast MICE as a representative of ISPs. i've been using shorthand for the full name of the constituency, which is the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers constituency. as such the constituency of ICANN is home to both ISPs and IXPs and the two kinds of organizations coexist quite comfortably there, since their interests are generally quite closely aligned. >>> >>> in general, if an organization sells domain names, they participate in ICANN through the Registrar Constituency. i editorialized a bit with the word "simply" -- my bad. >>> >>> mike >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is not meant to negatively reflect upon Mark and I apologize if I have misunderstood the situation (wouldn't be the first time!). I'm having trouble understanding this request. >>>> >>>> It seems like Mark wants to be involved in ICANN policy and is trying to find a place to fit himself in. He wants to represent MICE, but doesn't really have anything to do with the organization. How can he be a true representative if he hasn't been involved? I'm not a fan of placing the MICE name next to somebody who isn't a member, hasn't been actively involved, and doesn't have an ongoing role in its future. I think doing so would cheapen MICE's reputation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 06/14/2017 05:16 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: >>>>> I agree with your sentiments and stated efforts wholeheartedly, I only disagree with classifying MICE as a representative of ISPs, be they member ISPs or the ISP community in general. MICE is its own entity that serves ISPs and non-ISPs alike. MICE also is not an ISP and also does not rely on DNS for it to function. MICE also does not represent ISPs, it services ISPs but it very likely does (or could) service organizations as well that "simply want to sell more domains," as you put it. >>>>> >>>>> Of course I do not speak for all of MICE by any means, I am just merely trying to be pragmatic and ask questions to better understand the situation and request. I just don't know if using the name of MICE as a form of representing ISPs (which seems to be your position) is appropriate. What if members of MICE hold strongly opposing views to what Mark McFadden will fight for? This is why I feel it would be appropriate to have something more formally approved. >>>>> >>>>> Again, I personally feel that a proper and stable DNS is significantly important to the well functioning of the Internet as a whole which and as such I feel your efforts and request in this regard are not wasted and are not inappropriate; I am mostly just playing devils advocate here. >>>>> >>>>> >From what I have read about Mark, I would give him a thumbs up in his efforts at ICANN. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:23 PM >>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>>>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>> >>>>> hi Justin, >>>>> >>>>> i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group? >>>>> >>>>> i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions. >>>>> >>>>> another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> >>>>> mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. >>>>>> >>>>>> The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: >>>>>> >>>>>> Quick excerpt: >>>>>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i… >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM >>>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>>> >>>>>> hi Justin, >>>>>> >>>>>> no worries. >>>>>> >>>>>> ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. >>>>>> >>>>>> make sense? >>>>>> >>>>>> mike >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am just confused by this whole request. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM >>>>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Works for me as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Owen >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have my vote >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeremy Lumby >>>>>>>> Minnesota VoIP >>>>>>>> 9217 17th Ave S >>>>>>>> Suite 216 >>>>>>>> Bloomington MN 55425 >>>>>>>> Main 612-355-7740 >>>>>>>> Direct 612-392-6814 >>>>>>>> EFax 952-873-7425 >>>>>>>> jlumny(a)mnvoip.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>>> From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM> >>>>>>>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) >>>>>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>>>>>>> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM] >>>>>>>> To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] >>>>>>>> Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 >>>>>>>> hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ICANN: >>>>>>>> I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. >>>>>>>> I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. >>>>>>>> I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. >>>>>>>> While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. >>>>>>>> My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. >>>>>>>> I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>> Mark McFadden >>>>>>>> Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks for considering this idea, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mike >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>>>>> >>>>>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>>>> >>>>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Reid Fishler >> Director >> Hurricane Electric >> +1-510-580-4178 >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 15, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Ben Wiechman

Relationship to Mike O'Connor? Likes MICE better because of our growth and success? Ben Wiechman Network Engineer IV Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: > I don't know him, but why wouldn't he go under MADIX if he is Madison > based? > > Reid > > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com> wrote: > >> hi all, >> >> sorry to be a little sluggish - (rural) County broadband meeting tonight. >> >> i view Mark the same way i would view any extremely capable/credible >> person who offered to represent us pro bono in a policy body that's >> relevant to our mission. in exchange for that, he gets to continue to >> participate in a constituency that a) he was the founding Secretariat for >> and b) has participated in for 15 years or better. >> >> he might try to persuade us to reconsider, but at the end of the day we >> would count on him represent our views not his own (like i did before him). >> >> since i filled this role for some time, and also had the MICE name next >> to mine, i'd gently resist the notion that having somebody like Mark >> represent us at ICANN would cheapen MICE's reputation. i'm pretty sure >> that Mark would be happy to become a member if there's a mechanism for an >> individual supporter of MICE to do that. as would i. >> >> to Justin's point -- i didn't mean to cast MICE as a representative of >> ISPs. i've been using shorthand for the full name of the constituency, >> which is the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers >> constituency. as such the constituency of ICANN is home to both ISPs and >> IXPs and the two kinds of organizations coexist quite comfortably there, >> since their interests are generally quite closely aligned. >> >> in general, if an organization sells domain names, they participate in >> ICANN through the Registrar Constituency. i editorialized a bit with the >> word "simply" -- my bad. >> >> mike >> >> >> On Jun 14, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET >> <showard(a)paulbunyan.net>> wrote: >> >> This is not meant to negatively reflect upon Mark and I apologize if I >> have misunderstood the situation (wouldn't be the first time!). I'm having >> trouble understanding this request. >> >> It seems like Mark wants to be involved in ICANN policy and is trying to >> find a place to fit himself in. He wants to represent MICE, but doesn't >> really have anything to do with the organization. How can he be a true >> representative if he hasn't been involved? I'm not a fan of placing the >> MICE name next to somebody who isn't a member, hasn't been actively >> involved, and doesn't have an ongoing role in its future. I think doing so >> would cheapen MICE's reputation. >> >> >> >> >> On 06/14/2017 05:16 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: >> >> I agree with your sentiments and stated efforts wholeheartedly, I only >> disagree with classifying MICE as a representative of ISPs, be they member >> ISPs or the ISP community in general. MICE is its own entity that serves >> ISPs and non-ISPs alike. MICE also is not an ISP and also does not rely on >> DNS for it to function. MICE also does not represent ISPs, it services ISPs >> but it very likely does (or could) service organizations as well that >> "simply want to sell more domains," as you put it. >> >> Of course I do not speak for all of MICE by any means, I am just merely >> trying to be pragmatic and ask questions to better understand the situation >> and request. I just don't know if using the name of MICE as a form of >> representing ISPs (which seems to be your position) is appropriate. What if >> members of MICE hold strongly opposing views to what Mark McFadden will >> fight for? This is why I feel it would be appropriate to have something >> more formally approved. >> >> Again, I personally feel that a proper and stable DNS is significantly >> important to the well functioning of the Internet as a whole which and as >> such I feel your efforts and request in this regard are not wasted and are >> not inappropriate; I am mostly just playing devils advocate here. >> >> >From what I have read about Mark, I would give him a thumbs up in his >> efforts at ICANN. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike >> O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:23 PM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine >> wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >> >> hi Justin, >> >> i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize >> Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of >> this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would >> appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start >> of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to >> follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an >> informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the >> group? >> >> i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't >> represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would >> propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS >> policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now >> there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. >> some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, >> typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively >> debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few >> years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were >> injected because of ISP-constituency positions. >> >> another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? >> again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR >> because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but >> we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to >> counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. >> >> thanks, >> >> mike >> >> >> On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM >> <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com>> wrote: >> >> Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. >> >> I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an >> informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the >> board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would >> be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. >> If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it >> should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it >> noted on the website or something. >> >> The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this >> request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside >> from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: >> >> Quick excerpt: >> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en >> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/ >> minutes/minutes-interim-2015-dnsop-1 >> >> >> He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, >> especially in someone working on policy. >> >> I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or >> numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some >> of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of >> MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [ >> mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> >> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine >> wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >> >> hi Justin, >> >> no worries. >> >> ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it >> makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP >> Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all >> things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP >> members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's >> important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and >> resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. >> >> Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- >> interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me >> can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, >> including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he >> would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at >> ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent >> those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having >> a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions >> -- for free. >> >> make sense? >> >> mike >> >> >> On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM >> <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com>> wrote: >> >> No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his >> relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be >> representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were >> done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future >> in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of >> ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to >> represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and >> understand what our best interests are as an organization? >> >> I am just confused by this whole request. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [ >> 00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net>] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> >> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine >> wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >> >> Works for me as well. >> >> FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now >> attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. >> >> Owen >> >> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM >> <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com>> wrote: >> >> You have my vote >> >> >> >> Jeremy Lumby >> Minnesota VoIP >> 9217 17th Ave S >> Suite 216 >> Bloomington MN 55425 >> Main 612-355-7740 <(612)%20355-7740> >> Direct 612-392-6814 <(612)%20392-6814> >> EFax 952-873-7425 <(952)%20873-7425> >> jlumny(a)mnvoip.com >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>> >> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> >> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders >> if he could represent us at ICANN? >> >> ------------------------------ >> From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>] >> To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> [ >> MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] >> Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 >> hi all, >> >> Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer >> "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were >> left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i >> held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting >> this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i >> could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in >> which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE >> requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to >> continue his very long involvement in that organization. >> >> i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of >> stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of >> summarizing his qualifications. >> >> ICANN: >> >> I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team >> on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short >> CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of >> Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. >> >> I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as >> Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting >> Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the >> ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent >> Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. >> >> I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time >> at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on >> Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on >> DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and >> security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the >> combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful >> addition to the SSR2. >> >> While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of >> a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other >> infrastructure related issues. >> >> My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been >> a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name >> collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. >> >> I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change >> and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat >> in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is >> in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is >> practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for >> ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Mark >> >> Mark McFadden >> >> Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect >> Communications >> >> >> what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest >> of you? >> >> thanks for considering this idea, >> >> mike >> >> >> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: >> (866)-280-2356 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> ------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: >> (866)-280-2356 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> ------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: >> (866)-280-2356 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> ------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: >> (866)-280-2356 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > > > > -- > Reid Fishler > Director > Hurricane Electric > +1-510-580-4178 <(510)%20580-4178> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

June 15, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Reid Fishler

I don't know him, but why wouldn't he go under MADIX if he is Madison based? Reid On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com> wrote: > hi all, > > sorry to be a little sluggish - (rural) County broadband meeting tonight. > > i view Mark the same way i would view any extremely capable/credible > person who offered to represent us pro bono in a policy body that's > relevant to our mission. in exchange for that, he gets to continue to > participate in a constituency that a) he was the founding Secretariat for > and b) has participated in for 15 years or better. > > he might try to persuade us to reconsider, but at the end of the day we > would count on him represent our views not his own (like i did before him). > > since i filled this role for some time, and also had the MICE name next to > mine, i'd gently resist the notion that having somebody like Mark represent > us at ICANN would cheapen MICE's reputation. i'm pretty sure that Mark > would be happy to become a member if there's a mechanism for an individual > supporter of MICE to do that. as would i. > > to Justin's point -- i didn't mean to cast MICE as a representative of > ISPs. i've been using shorthand for the full name of the constituency, > which is the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers > constituency. as such the constituency of ICANN is home to both ISPs and > IXPs and the two kinds of organizations coexist quite comfortably there, > since their interests are generally quite closely aligned. > > in general, if an organization sells domain names, they participate in > ICANN through the Registrar Constituency. i editorialized a bit with the > word "simply" -- my bad. > > mike > > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET > <showard(a)paulbunyan.net>> wrote: > > This is not meant to negatively reflect upon Mark and I apologize if I > have misunderstood the situation (wouldn't be the first time!). I'm having > trouble understanding this request. > > It seems like Mark wants to be involved in ICANN policy and is trying to > find a place to fit himself in. He wants to represent MICE, but doesn't > really have anything to do with the organization. How can he be a true > representative if he hasn't been involved? I'm not a fan of placing the > MICE name next to somebody who isn't a member, hasn't been actively > involved, and doesn't have an ongoing role in its future. I think doing so > would cheapen MICE's reputation. > > > > > On 06/14/2017 05:16 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > > I agree with your sentiments and stated efforts wholeheartedly, I only > disagree with classifying MICE as a representative of ISPs, be they member > ISPs or the ISP community in general. MICE is its own entity that serves > ISPs and non-ISPs alike. MICE also is not an ISP and also does not rely on > DNS for it to function. MICE also does not represent ISPs, it services ISPs > but it very likely does (or could) service organizations as well that > "simply want to sell more domains," as you put it. > > Of course I do not speak for all of MICE by any means, I am just merely > trying to be pragmatic and ask questions to better understand the situation > and request. I just don't know if using the name of MICE as a form of > representing ISPs (which seems to be your position) is appropriate. What if > members of MICE hold strongly opposing views to what Mark McFadden will > fight for? This is why I feel it would be appropriate to have something > more formally approved. > > Again, I personally feel that a proper and stable DNS is significantly > important to the well functioning of the Internet as a whole which and as > such I feel your efforts and request in this regard are not wasted and are > not inappropriate; I am mostly just playing devils advocate here. > > >From what I have read about Mark, I would give him a thumbs up in his > efforts at ICANN. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike > O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:23 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine > wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > hi Justin, > > i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize > Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of > this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would > appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start > of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to > follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an > informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the > group? > > i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't > represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would > propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS > policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now > there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. > some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, > typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively > debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few > years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were > injected because of ISP-constituency positions. > > another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? > again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR > because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but > we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to > counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. > > thanks, > > mike > > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM > <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com>> wrote: > > Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. > > I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an > informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the > board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would > be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. > If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it > should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it > noted on the website or something. > > The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this > request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside > from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: > > Quick excerpt: > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes- > interim-2015-dnsop-1 > > > He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, > especially in someone working on policy. > > I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or > numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some > of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of > MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [ > mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine > wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > hi Justin, > > no worries. > > ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it > makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP > Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all > things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP > members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's > important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and > resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. > > Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- > interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me > can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, > including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he > would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at > ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent > those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having > a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions > -- for free. > > make sense? > > mike > > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM > <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com>> wrote: > > No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his > relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be > representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were > done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future > in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of > ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to > represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and > understand what our best interests are as an organization? > > I am just confused by this whole request. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [ > 00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine > wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > Works for me as well. > > FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now > attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. > > Owen > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM > <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com>> wrote: > > You have my vote > > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington MN 55425 > Main 612-355-7740 <(612)%20355-7740> > Direct 612-392-6814 <(612)%20392-6814> > EFax 952-873-7425 <(952)%20873-7425> > jlumny(a)mnvoip.com > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>> > Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if > he could represent us at ICANN? > > ------------------------------ > From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>] > To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> [ > MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] > Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 > hi all, > > Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer > "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were > left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i > held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting > this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i > could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in > which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE > requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to > continue his very long involvement in that organization. > > i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of > stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of > summarizing his qualifications. > > ICANN: > > I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team > on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short > CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of > Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. > > I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as > Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting > Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the > ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent > Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. > > I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time > at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on > Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on > DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and > security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the > combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful > addition to the SSR2. > > While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of > a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other > infrastructure related issues. > > My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been > a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name > collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. > > I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change > and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat > in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is > in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is > practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for > ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. > > Best regards, > > Mark > > Mark McFadden > > Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect > Communications > > > what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest > of you? > > thanks for considering this idea, > > mike > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

June 15, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

hi all, sorry to be a little sluggish - (rural) County broadband meeting tonight. i view Mark the same way i would view any extremely capable/credible person who offered to represent us pro bono in a policy body that's relevant to our mission. in exchange for that, he gets to continue to participate in a constituency that a) he was the founding Secretariat for and b) has participated in for 15 years or better. he might try to persuade us to reconsider, but at the end of the day we would count on him represent our views not his own (like i did before him). since i filled this role for some time, and also had the MICE name next to mine, i'd gently resist the notion that having somebody like Mark represent us at ICANN would cheapen MICE's reputation. i'm pretty sure that Mark would be happy to become a member if there's a mechanism for an individual supporter of MICE to do that. as would i. to Justin's point -- i didn't mean to cast MICE as a representative of ISPs. i've been using shorthand for the full name of the constituency, which is the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers constituency. as such the constituency of ICANN is home to both ISPs and IXPs and the two kinds of organizations coexist quite comfortably there, since their interests are generally quite closely aligned. in general, if an organization sells domain names, they participate in ICANN through the Registrar Constituency. i editorialized a bit with the word "simply" -- my bad. mike > On Jun 14, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET> wrote: > > This is not meant to negatively reflect upon Mark and I apologize if I have misunderstood the situation (wouldn't be the first time!). I'm having trouble understanding this request. > > It seems like Mark wants to be involved in ICANN policy and is trying to find a place to fit himself in. He wants to represent MICE, but doesn't really have anything to do with the organization. How can he be a true representative if he hasn't been involved? I'm not a fan of placing the MICE name next to somebody who isn't a member, hasn't been actively involved, and doesn't have an ongoing role in its future. I think doing so would cheapen MICE's reputation. > > > > > On 06/14/2017 05:16 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: >> I agree with your sentiments and stated efforts wholeheartedly, I only disagree with classifying MICE as a representative of ISPs, be they member ISPs or the ISP community in general. MICE is its own entity that serves ISPs and non-ISPs alike. MICE also is not an ISP and also does not rely on DNS for it to function. MICE also does not represent ISPs, it services ISPs but it very likely does (or could) service organizations as well that "simply want to sell more domains," as you put it. >> >> Of course I do not speak for all of MICE by any means, I am just merely trying to be pragmatic and ask questions to better understand the situation and request. I just don't know if using the name of MICE as a form of representing ISPs (which seems to be your position) is appropriate. What if members of MICE hold strongly opposing views to what Mark McFadden will fight for? This is why I feel it would be appropriate to have something more formally approved. >> >> Again, I personally feel that a proper and stable DNS is significantly important to the well functioning of the Internet as a whole which and as such I feel your efforts and request in this regard are not wasted and are not inappropriate; I am mostly just playing devils advocate here. >> >> >From what I have read about Mark, I would give him a thumbs up in his efforts at ICANN. >> >> >> >> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@HAVEN2.COM>] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:23 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >> >> hi Justin, >> >> i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group? >> >> i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions. >> >> another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. >> >> thanks, >> >> mike >> >> >>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM <mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. >>> >>> I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. >>> >>> The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: >>> >>> Quick excerpt: >>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en> >>> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i… <https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i…> >>> >>> >>> He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. >>> >>> I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>> >>> hi Justin, >>> >>> no worries. >>> >>> ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. >>> >>> Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. >>> >>> make sense? >>> >>> mike >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM <mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? >>>> >>>> I am just confused by this whole request. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM >>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>> >>>> Works for me as well. >>>> >>>> FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. >>>> >>>> Owen >>>> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You have my vote >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jeremy Lumby >>>>> Minnesota VoIP >>>>> 9217 17th Ave S >>>>> Suite 216 >>>>> Bloomington MN 55425 >>>>> Main 612-355-7740 >>>>> Direct 612-392-6814 >>>>> EFax 952-873-7425 >>>>> jlumny(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>> >>>>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) >>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>>> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>> >>>>> From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >>>>> To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] >>>>> Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 >>>>> hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. >>>>> >>>>> i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. >>>>> >>>>> ICANN: >>>>> I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. >>>>> I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. >>>>> I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. >>>>> While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. >>>>> My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. >>>>> I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Mark >>>>> Mark McFadden >>>>> Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications >>>>> >>>>> what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? >>>>> >>>>> thanks for considering this idea, >>>>> >>>>> mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 15, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Steve Howard

June 14, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Reid Fishler

What I am missing is why he needs the name of MICE behind him? Reid On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > I agree with your sentiments and stated efforts wholeheartedly, I only > disagree with classifying MICE as a representative of ISPs, be they member > ISPs or the ISP community in general. MICE is its own entity that serves > ISPs and non-ISPs alike. MICE also is not an ISP and also does not rely on > DNS for it to function. MICE also does not represent ISPs, it services ISPs > but it very likely does (or could) service organizations as well that > "simply want to sell more domains," as you put it. > > Of course I do not speak for all of MICE by any means, I am just merely > trying to be pragmatic and ask questions to better understand the situation > and request. I just don't know if using the name of MICE as a form of > representing ISPs (which seems to be your position) is appropriate. What if > members of MICE hold strongly opposing views to what Mark McFadden will > fight for? This is why I feel it would be appropriate to have something > more formally approved. > > Again, I personally feel that a proper and stable DNS is significantly > important to the well functioning of the Internet as a whole which and as > such I feel your efforts and request in this regard are not wasted and are > not inappropriate; I am mostly just playing devils advocate here. > > From what I have read about Mark, I would give him a thumbs up in his > efforts at ICANN. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike > O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:23 PM > > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine > wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > hi Justin, > > i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize > Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of > this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would > appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start > of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to > follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an > informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the > group? > > i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't > represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would > propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS > policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now > there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. > some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, > typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively > debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few > years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were > injected because of ISP-constituency positions. > > another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? > again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR > because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but > we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to > counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. > > thanks, > > mike > > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM > <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com>> wrote: > > Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. > > I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an > informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the > board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would > be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. > If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it > should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it > noted on the website or something. > > The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this > request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside > from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: > > Quick excerpt: > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes- > interim-2015-dnsop-1 > > > He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, > especially in someone working on policy. > > I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or > numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some > of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of > MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [ > mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine > wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > hi Justin, > > no worries. > > ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it > makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP > Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all > things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP > members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's > important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and > resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. > > Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- > interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me > can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, > including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he > would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at > ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent > those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having > a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions > -- for free. > > make sense? > > mike > > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM > <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com>> wrote: > > No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his > relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be > representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were > done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future > in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of > ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to > represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and > understand what our best interests are as an organization? > > I am just confused by this whole request. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [ > 00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine > wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > Works for me as well. > > FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now > attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. > > Owen > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM > <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com>> wrote: > > You have my vote > > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington MN 55425 > Main 612-355-7740 <(612)%20355-7740> > Direct 612-392-6814 <(612)%20392-6814> > EFax 952-873-7425 <(952)%20873-7425> > jlumny(a)mnvoip.com > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>> > Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if > he could represent us at ICANN? > > ------------------------------ > From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>] > To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> [ > MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] > Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 > hi all, > > Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer > "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were > left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i > held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting > this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i > could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in > which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE > requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to > continue his very long involvement in that organization. > > i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of > stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of > summarizing his qualifications. > > ICANN: > > I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team > on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short > CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of > Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. > > I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as > Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting > Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the > ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent > Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. > > I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time > at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on > Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on > DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and > security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the > combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful > addition to the SSR2. > > While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of > a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other > infrastructure related issues. > > My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been > a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name > collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. > > I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change > and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat > in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is > in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is > practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for > ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. > > Best regards, > > Mark > > Mark McFadden > > Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect > Communications > > > what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest > of you? > > thanks for considering this idea, > > mike > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

June 14, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Justin Krejci

I agree with your sentiments and stated efforts wholeheartedly, I only disagree with classifying MICE as a representative of ISPs, be they member ISPs or the ISP community in general. MICE is its own entity that serves ISPs and non-ISPs alike. MICE also is not an ISP and also does not rely on DNS for it to function. MICE also does not represent ISPs, it services ISPs but it very likely does (or could) service organizations as well that "simply want to sell more domains," as you put it. Of course I do not speak for all of MICE by any means, I am just merely trying to be pragmatic and ask questions to better understand the situation and request. I just don't know if using the name of MICE as a form of representing ISPs (which seems to be your position) is appropriate. What if members of MICE hold strongly opposing views to what Mark McFadden will fight for? This is why I feel it would be appropriate to have something more formally approved. Again, I personally feel that a proper and stable DNS is significantly important to the well functioning of the Internet as a whole which and as such I feel your efforts and request in this regard are not wasted and are not inappropriate; I am mostly just playing devils advocate here. >From what I have read about Mark, I would give him a thumbs up in his efforts at ICANN. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:23 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? hi Justin, i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group? i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions. another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. thanks, mike On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: Quick excerpt: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i… He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? hi Justin, no worries. ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. make sense? mike On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? I am just confused by this whole request. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? Works for me as well. FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. Owen On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: You have my vote Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Main 612-355-7740 Direct 612-392-6814 EFax 952-873-7425 jlumny(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? ________________________________ >From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>] To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 hi all, Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. ICANN: I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. Best regards, Mark Mark McFadden Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? thanks for considering this idea, mike WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 14, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

hi Justin, i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group? i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions. another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. thanks, mike > On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > > Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. > > I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. > > The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: > > Quick excerpt: > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en> > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i… <https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i…> > > > He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. > > I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. > > > > From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > hi Justin, > > no worries. > > ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. > > Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. > > make sense? > > mike > > >> On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM <mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: >> >> No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? >> >> I am just confused by this whole request. >> >> >> >> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >> >> Works for me as well. >> >> FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. >> >> Owen >> >>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: >>> >>> You have my vote >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeremy Lumby >>> Minnesota VoIP >>> 9217 17th Ave S >>> Suite 216 >>> Bloomington MN 55425 >>> Main 612-355-7740 >>> Direct 612-392-6814 >>> EFax 952-873-7425 >>> jlumny(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>> >>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>> >>> From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >>> To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] >>> Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 >>> hi all, >>> >>> Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. >>> >>> i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. >>> >>> ICANN: >>> I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. >>> I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. >>> I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. >>> While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. >>> My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. >>> I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. >>> Best regards, >>> Mark >>> Mark McFadden >>> Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications >>> >>> what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? >>> >>> thanks for considering this idea, >>> >>> mike >>> >>> >>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 14, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Justin Krejci

Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: Quick excerpt: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i… He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? hi Justin, no worries. ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. make sense? mike On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? I am just confused by this whole request. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? Works for me as well. FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. Owen On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: You have my vote Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Main 612-355-7740 Direct 612-392-6814 EFax 952-873-7425 jlumny(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? ________________________________ >From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>] To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 hi all, Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. ICANN: I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. Best regards, Mark Mark McFadden Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? thanks for considering this idea, mike WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 14, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

hi Justin, no worries. ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. make sense? mike > On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > > No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? > > I am just confused by this whole request. > > > > From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > Works for me as well. > > FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. > > Owen > >> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: >> >> You have my vote >> >> >> >> Jeremy Lumby >> Minnesota VoIP >> 9217 17th Ave S >> Suite 216 >> Bloomington MN 55425 >> Main 612-355-7740 >> Direct 612-392-6814 >> EFax 952-873-7425 >> jlumny(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>> >> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >> >> From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >> To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] >> Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 >> hi all, >> >> Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. >> >> i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. >> >> ICANN: >> I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. >> I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. >> I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. >> While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. >> My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. >> I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. >> Best regards, >> Mark >> Mark McFadden >> Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications >> >> what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? >> >> thanks for considering this idea, >> >> mike >> >> >> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 14, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Justin Krejci

No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? I am just confused by this whole request. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? Works for me as well. FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. Owen On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: You have my vote Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Main 612-355-7740 Direct 612-392-6814 EFax 952-873-7425 jlumny(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? ________________________________ >From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>] To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 hi all, Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. ICANN: I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, and performance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. Best regards, Mark Mark McFadden Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? thanks for considering this idea, mike WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 14, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by DeLong, Owen

Works for me as well. FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. Owen On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: You have my vote Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Main 612-355-7740 Direct 612-392-6814 EFax 952-873-7425 jlumny(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? ________________________________ From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>] To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 hi all, Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. ICANN: I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, and performance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. Best regards, Mark Mark McFadden Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? thanks for considering this idea, mike WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

June 14, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Jeremy Lumby

You have my vote Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Main 612-355-7740 Direct 612-392-6814 EFax 952-873-7425 jlumny(a)mnvoip.com -------- Original message -------- From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? _____ >From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM] To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 hi all, Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. ICANN: I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, and performance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. Best regards, Mark Mark McFadden Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? thanks for considering this idea, mike WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 14, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by David Farmer

Sounds good to me. On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com> wrote: > hi all, > > Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer > "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were > left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i > held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting > this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i > could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in > which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE > requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to > continue his very long involvement in that organization. > > i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of > stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of > summarizing his qualifications. > > ICANN: > > I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team > on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short > CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of > Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. > > I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as > Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting > Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the > ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent > Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. > > I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time > at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on > Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on > DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, and performance and > security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the > combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful > addition to the SSR2. > > While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of > a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other > infrastructure related issues. > > My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been > a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name > collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. > > I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change > and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat > in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is > in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is > practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for > ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. > > Best regards, > > Mark > > Mark McFadden > > Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect > Communications > > > what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest > of you? > > thanks for considering this idea, > > mike > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

June 14, 2017

a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

hi all, Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. ICANN: I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, and performance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. Best regards, Mark Mark McFadden Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? thanks for considering this idea, mike WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 14, 2017

Re: Cologix Power

by Jeremy Lumby

E-mail from 511: Hello Everyone, There was a car accident which caused us to go on to emergency power. Just as a precaution please verify your servers are fine. UPS did work but we are currently on Generator power until Xcel can fix the issue. Please email me if you find any issues. Thanks, 511 Building Engineering Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Main 612-355-7740 Direct 612-392-6814 EFax 952-873-7425 jlumny(a)mnvoip.com -------- Original message -------- From: Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> Date: 6/2/17 7:31 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: RE: [MICE-DISCUSS] Cologix Power _____ >From : Jeremy Lumby [jlumby(a)mnvoip.com] To : MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] Date : Friday, June 2 2017 19:31:00 I saw the same temperature increase (see attached) luckily the temperature issue has resolved itself even though half of the power is still off. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Josh Cepek Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 7:12 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Cologix Power We're seeing similar power alarms on our gear in suite 400; thanks for the update as I'm sure the on-site staff are busy if it's a suite-wide problem. The 2nd power feed is carrying the load for us. We also recorded a roughly 10 degree (F) temperature spike starting at about 18:00 until our PDU with the temp sensor lost power at 18:44 On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > Looks like there is a power issue in Cologix Suite 400. I have multiple devices indicating that one of the power feeds is down. My suite 100 equipment all seems fine. -- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender or call ClaimLynx at (952) 593-5969.

June 3, 2017

Re: Cologix Power

by Jeremy Lumby

I saw the same temperature increase (see attached) luckily the temperature issue has resolved itself even though half of the power is still off. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Josh Cepek Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 7:12 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Cologix Power We're seeing similar power alarms on our gear in suite 400; thanks for the update as I'm sure the on-site staff are busy if it's a suite-wide problem. The 2nd power feed is carrying the load for us. We also recorded a roughly 10 degree (F) temperature spike starting at about 18:00 until our PDU with the temp sensor lost power at 18:44 On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > Looks like there is a power issue in Cologix Suite 400. I have multiple devices indicating that one of the power feeds is down. My suite 100 equipment all seems fine. -- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender or call ClaimLynx at (952) 593-5969.

June 3, 2017

Re: Cologix Power

by Josh Cepek

We're seeing similar power alarms on our gear in suite 400; thanks for the update as I'm sure the on-site staff are busy if it's a suite-wide problem. The 2nd power feed is carrying the load for us. We also recorded a roughly 10 degree (F) temperature spike starting at about 18:00 until our PDU with the temp sensor lost power at 18:44 On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > Looks like there is a power issue in Cologix Suite 400. I have multiple devices indicating that one of the power feeds is down. My suite 100 equipment all seems fine. -- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender or call ClaimLynx at (952) 593-5969.

June 3, 2017

Re: Cologix Power

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 07:00:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > Looks like there is a power issue in Cologix Suite 400. I have > multiple devices indicating that one of the power feeds is down. My > suite 100 equipment all seems fine. Eek! Good luck folks! -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

June 3, 2017

Cologix Power

by Jeremy Lumby

Looks like there is a power issue in Cologix Suite 400. I have multiple devices indicating that one of the power feeds is down. My suite 100 equipment all seems fine.

June 3, 2017

TDS AS4181 Maintenance Notice for 6/2/2017

by Kevin Roberts

TDS AS4181 will be performing maintenance on the directly connected router to MICE 6/2/17 in a window from 12:01 am to 6:00 am CST. During this maintenance window you can expect BGP sessions to AS4181 to be down during this window for 1 hour. If you have any questions please send an email to peering(a)tdstelecom.com with your BGP AS number and it will be addressed as soon as possible. Kevin Roberts IP Network Operations TDS Telecommunications peering(a)tdstelecom.com

June 1, 2017

Re: Please welcome Fibercomm to MICE!

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 05:17:08PM -0500, Jason Hanke wrote: > Company: Fibercomm > Port: Neutral Path Remote xe-0/0/7 > IPv4: 206.108.255.78/24 > IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:d532::1/64 > ASN: 54578 > Route Server: Yes > BFD: Yes The route servers are all setup to talk to them. Welcome! -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

May 31, 2017

Please welcome Fibercomm to MICE!

by Jason Hanke

Company: Fibercomm Port: Neutral Path Remote xe-0/0/7 IPv4: 206.108.255.78/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:d532::1/64 ASN: 54578 Route Server: Yes BFD: Yes Peering Contact: egengler(a)fibercomm.net Billing contact: (No current amount due/Remote Participant) payables(a)fibercomm.net Welcome Aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

May 31, 2017

Re: FW: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG 24

by Mike Horwath

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:33:06AM -0500, John McLaughlin wrote: > If a good number of members are planning to attend UG 24 in person > Arista would like to sponsor a happy hour after the meeting. I am looking at making the drive. Not that that will bring in more people..might make it so less go but them's the breaks! -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

May 23, 2017

Re: Updated Introvex Assignment

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 08:26:14AM -0500, Jason Hanke wrote: > IPv4 address updated to resolve conflicting assignment. > > Company Name: Introvex Solutions Ltd > IPv4: 206.108.255.76/24 > IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:2:12ce::1 > ASN: 135886 > Route Server: yes > BFD: no > Remote port assignment number: MN VoIP remote Gig 2/7 I've got the RR's setup to talk to Introvex now. Welcome! -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

May 23, 2017

Re: FW: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG 24

by Jeremy Lumby

I will allow MICE to use my bridge again for any future meetings, however since this is an offsite meeting, if they have better options, the board might choose to use them instead. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Rosenwald Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:19 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG 24 Assuming there will be a call in number to a conference bridge sent out as the day approaches? Thanks. Ryan Rosenwald Technology Manager (218) 454-1234 company (218) 454-1111 direct ryan(a)ConnectCTC.com www.ConnectCTC.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Announcements [mailto:MICE-ANNOUNCE@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:44 PM To: MICE-ANNOUNCE(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG 24 MICE UG 24 will be hosted by SDN Communications in Sioux Falls, SD. Date: July 12th, 2017, 3:00 PM - 5 PM Where: SDN Communications 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, South Dakota 57104 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-ANNOUNCE list, click the following link: &*TICKET_URL(MICE-ANNOUNCE,SIGNOFF);

May 23, 2017

Re: FW: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG 24

by John McLaughlin

If a good number of members are planning to attend UG 24 in person Arista would like to sponsor a happy hour after the meeting. > On May 23, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Ryan Rosenwald <ryan(a)CONNECTCTC.COM> wrote: > > > Assuming there will be a call in number to a conference bridge sent out as the day approaches? > > Thanks. > > > Ryan Rosenwald > Technology Manager > (218) 454-1234 company > (218) 454-1111 direct > ryan(a)ConnectCTC.com > www.ConnectCTC.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Announcements [mailto:MICE-ANNOUNCE@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Richard Laager > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:44 PM > To: MICE-ANNOUNCE(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG 24 > > MICE UG 24 will be hosted by SDN Communications in Sioux Falls, SD. > > Date: > July 12th, 2017, 3:00 PM - 5 PM > > Where: > SDN Communications > 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, South Dakota 57104 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-ANNOUNCE list, click the following link: > &*TICKET_URL(MICE-ANNOUNCE,SIGNOFF); John McLaughlin 612-816-9024 Major Account Manager jmclaughlin(a)arista.com

May 23, 2017

FW: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG 24

by Ryan Rosenwald

Assuming there will be a call in number to a conference bridge sent out as the day approaches? Thanks. Ryan Rosenwald Technology Manager (218) 454-1234 company (218) 454-1111 direct ryan(a)ConnectCTC.com www.ConnectCTC.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Announcements [mailto:MICE-ANNOUNCE@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:44 PM To: MICE-ANNOUNCE(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG 24 MICE UG 24 will be hosted by SDN Communications in Sioux Falls, SD. Date: July 12th, 2017, 3:00 PM - 5 PM Where: SDN Communications 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, South Dakota 57104 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-ANNOUNCE list, click the following link: &*TICKET_URL(MICE-ANNOUNCE,SIGNOFF);

May 23, 2017

Updated Introvex Assignment

by Jason Hanke

IPv4 address updated to resolve conflicting assignment. Company Name: Introvex Solutions Ltd IPv4: 206.108.255.76/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:2:12ce::1 ASN: 135886 Route Server: yes BFD: no Remote port assignment number: MN VoIP remote Gig 2/7 Billing contact: Introvex Accounting Billing email: admin(a)introvex.net Welcome Aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

May 23, 2017

MICE UG 24

by Jason Hanke

MICE UG 24 will be hosted by SDN Communications in Sioux Falls, SD. Date: July 12th, 2017, 3:00 PM - 5 PM Where: SDN Communications 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, South Dakota 57104 -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

May 22, 2017

Please welcome Introvex to MICE!

by Jason Hanke

Company Name: Introvex Solutions Ltd IPv4: 206.108.255.77/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:2:12ce::1 ASN: 135886 Route Server: yes BFD: no Remote port assignment number: MN VoIP remote Gig 2/7 Billing contact: Introvex Accounting Billing email: admin(a)introvex.net Welcome Aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

May 22, 2017

Re: Minneapolis F-Root

by Mike O'Connor

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May 13, 2017

Re: Minneapolis F-Root

by David Farmer

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:39 PM, David Farmer <farmer(a)umn.edu> wrote: > I just noticed that there is now an F-Root instance in Minneapolis. It > appears to be hosted by CloudFlare, connected to MICE, and I expect located > in the 511 building. > > I want to thank Cloudflare and ISC for this piece of critical Internet > infrastructure supporting Minneapolis and the upper midwest. > > Thanks > After a little googling a bit, it seems Cloudflare started serving F-Root form all their nodes around the end of March. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

May 13, 2017

Re: Minneapolis F-Root

by Mike Horwath

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 02:39:32PM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > I just noticed that there is now an F-Root instance in Minneapolis. It > appears to be hosted by CloudFlare, connected to MICE, and I expect located > in the 511 building. > > I want to thank Cloudflare and ISC for this piece of critical Internet > infrastructure supporting Minneapolis and the upper midwest. Now that's pretty neat. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

May 13, 2017

Minneapolis F-Root

by David Farmer

I just noticed that there is now an F-Root instance in Minneapolis. It appears to be hosted by CloudFlare, connected to MICE, and I expect located in the 511 building. I want to thank Cloudflare and ISC for this piece of critical Internet infrastructure supporting Minneapolis and the upper midwest. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

May 13, 2017

Re: New Cabinet Pics

by DeLong, Owen

OOOH… Shiny. Seriously, though… Nice work. Looks awesome. Owen > On May 10, 2017, at 12:37 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > > I officially cleaned out the old 1/3 MICE cabinet today, and got some pictures of the new cabinet. I left them full resolution so that you can use them for other things. Since they were so large, I did not want to attach them, so they are at the following links. Special thanks again to Cologix, Anthony, Doug, Richard, and Jay for their assistance with the migration. > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab1.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab2.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab3.jpg > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > Main: 612-355-7740 x211 > Direct: 612-392-6814 > EFax: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

May 11, 2017

Re: New Cabinet Pics

by Jeremy Lumby

Andy, I have received quite a few questions about the QSFP breakout panel, so I decided to answer your question plus more detail on list. I wish I had more info for you. I obtained it from a remote hands uninstall I did, and the owner did not care to have me ship it back. It has no markings on it, so I have no clue who made it, or what its model number might be. The main reason I loaned it to MICE was because the new switch had almost the same number of 10G ports that the old Juniper stack had. Since we were out of ports, had to delay new member connections, and needed extras to tie the Arista to the Juniper stack, I utilized QSFPs to get additional 10G ports to tie the switches together, as well as to connect all members that had expressed an interest in upgrading to 100G in the near future. This freed up a bunch of SFP+ ports for immediate use by new members. Since the process began, we have already had 3 QSFP28 100G connections go live freeing up 9 SFP+ ports. Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andy Koch Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:26 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] New Cabinet Pics Thank you Jeremy, looking good. Question on the QSFP breakout panel: WiscNet is evaluating a couple of these, but I have not seen the model that is installed here. What was the source of this panel and do you have a model/manufacturer? Thanks for the info. Andy -- Andy Koch Network Engineer, WiscNet akoch(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3967 10 May 2017 at 14:37:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > I officially cleaned out the old 1/3 MICE cabinet today, and got some pictures of the new cabinet. I left them full resolution so that you can use them for other things. Since they were so large, I did not want to attach them, so they are at the following links. Special thanks again to Cologix, Anthony, Doug, Richard, and Jay for their assistance with the migration. > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab1.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab2.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab3.jpg > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > Main: 612-355-7740 x211 > Direct: 612-392-6814 > EFax: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

May 11, 2017

Re: New Cabinet Pics

by Andy Koch

Thank you Jeremy, looking good. Question on the QSFP breakout panel: WiscNet is evaluating a couple of these, but I have not seen the model that is installed here. What was the source of this panel and do you have a model/manufacturer? Thanks for the info. Andy -- Andy Koch Network Engineer, WiscNet akoch(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3967 10 May 2017 at 14:37:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > I officially cleaned out the old 1/3 MICE cabinet today, and got some pictures of the new cabinet. I left them full resolution so that you can use them for other things. Since they were so large, I did not want to attach them, so they are at the following links. Special thanks again to Cologix, Anthony, Doug, Richard, and Jay for their assistance with the migration. > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab1.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab2.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab3.jpg > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > Main: 612-355-7740 x211 > Direct: 612-392-6814 > EFax: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

May 10, 2017

Re: New Cabinet Pics

by Richard Laager

I linked these on the technical page. They're just links you can view/download, not shown inline. -- Richard

May 10, 2017

Re: Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL

by David Farmer

I don't think we want Emmett, I think we want Speedy Gonzales or Mighty Mouse. :) The pics are great by the way. On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Corey Hines < 00000007b566cbe7-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > I may be very biased but I would love to see that picture very much. If > you had Emmet standing on top of the 7504, I think we could work with that > ;-) > > Corey Hines > Systems Engineer > Arista Networks > m 612-209-6550 <(612)%20209-6550> > o 408-547-8075 <(408)%20547-8075> > chines(a)arista.com > TAC: support(a)arista.com > www.arista.com > Arista EOS: A Tale of Opposite Architectures > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfwr6sY27hA&authuser=1> > Download the EOS Configuration Manual > <https://www.arista.com/assets/data/docs/Manuals/EOS-4.15.4F-Manual.pdf> > Install vEOS-lab for testing & training > <https://eos.arista.com/running-veos-on-esxi-5-5/> > > > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> > wrote: > >> That is great news. Not to sound too cliché but the Lego Movie song is >> playing in my head now.... Everything is awesome! >> >> Maybe a photo of the MICE Arista could be posted to the website. Who >> doesn't want some SFW nerd porn. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Ben >> Wiechman [ben.wiechman(a)ARVIG.COM] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:39 AM >> >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL >> >> We had some reports of a small percentage on traffic through MICE to/from >> Charter during the early stages of the move. With the previously noted >> issues in mind we monitored the situation a bit. The loss is gone now, and >> we haven't seen any additional since. >> >> >> Ben Wiechman >> Network Engineer IV >> Direct: 320.256.0184 <(320)%20256-0184> >> Cell: 320.247.3224 <(320)%20247-3224> >> ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com >> >> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com >> >> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes this is awesome!! Thanks for all of the efforts!! >>> >>> Jeremy, I recall before there was some discussions around some small >>> amount of packet loss when traffic moved across a certain path from one >>> member to another and it seemed one of the Juniper components was most >>> likely the involved: stacking cables, a particular switch, or something. >>> Without checking the list archives, I believe you were involved in >>> identifying some of this, some of which was improved by re-working a bit of >>> the fabric topology. Since the Arista moves are basically all done, I am >>> curious to hear if any of that previous packet loss is still happening now >>> that many of the previous fabric components are decommissioned. >>> >>> Also, not urgent but I think it would be great if the technical page >>> details could be updated at some point: config details, exchange topology >>> diagram, etc. >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike >>> Horwath [drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG] >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:25 PM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL >>> >>> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 04:11:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >>> > The maintenance has completed, please let me know if you are >>> > experiencing any errors. >>> >>> THANKS! >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

May 10, 2017

Re: New Cabinet Pics

by Darin Steffl

That's beautiful. Thanks! On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I officially cleaned out the old 1/3 MICE cabinet today, and got some > pictures of the new cabinet. I left them full resolution so that you can > use them for other things. Since they were so large, I did not want to > attach them, so they are at the following links. Special thanks again to > Cologix, Anthony, Doug, Richard, and Jay for their assistance with the > migration. > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab1.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab2.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab3.jpg > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > Main: 612-355-7740 x211 > Direct: 612-392-6814 > EFax: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com >

May 10, 2017

New Cabinet Pics

by Jeremy Lumby

I officially cleaned out the old 1/3 MICE cabinet today, and got some pictures of the new cabinet. I left them full resolution so that you can use them for other things. Since they were so large, I did not want to attach them, so they are at the following links. Special thanks again to Cologix, Anthony, Doug, Richard, and Jay for their assistance with the migration. http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab1.jpg http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab2.jpg http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab3.jpg Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 x211 Direct: 612-392-6814 EFax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

May 10, 2017

Re: Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL

by Corey Hines

I may be very biased but I would love to see that picture very much. If you had Emmet standing on top of the 7504, I think we could work with that ;-) Corey Hines Systems Engineer Arista Networks m 612-209-6550 o 408-547-8075 chines(a)arista.com TAC: support(a)arista.com www.arista.com Arista EOS: A Tale of Opposite Architectures <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfwr6sY27hA&authuser=1> Download the EOS Configuration Manual <https://www.arista.com/assets/data/docs/Manuals/EOS-4.15.4F-Manual.pdf> Install vEOS-lab for testing & training <https://eos.arista.com/running-veos-on-esxi-5-5/> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > That is great news. Not to sound too cliché but the Lego Movie song is > playing in my head now.... Everything is awesome! > > Maybe a photo of the MICE Arista could be posted to the website. Who > doesn't want some SFW nerd porn. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Ben > Wiechman [ben.wiechman(a)ARVIG.COM] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:39 AM > > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL > > We had some reports of a small percentage on traffic through MICE to/from > Charter during the early stages of the move. With the previously noted > issues in mind we monitored the situation a bit. The loss is gone now, and > we haven't seen any additional since. > > > Ben Wiechman > Network Engineer IV > Direct: 320.256.0184 <(320)%20256-0184> > Cell: 320.247.3224 <(320)%20247-3224> > ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > > 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com > > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> > wrote: > >> Yes this is awesome!! Thanks for all of the efforts!! >> >> Jeremy, I recall before there was some discussions around some small >> amount of packet loss when traffic moved across a certain path from one >> member to another and it seemed one of the Juniper components was most >> likely the involved: stacking cables, a particular switch, or something. >> Without checking the list archives, I believe you were involved in >> identifying some of this, some of which was improved by re-working a bit of >> the fabric topology. Since the Arista moves are basically all done, I am >> curious to hear if any of that previous packet loss is still happening now >> that many of the previous fabric components are decommissioned. >> >> Also, not urgent but I think it would be great if the technical page >> details could be updated at some point: config details, exchange topology >> diagram, etc. >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike >> Horwath [drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:25 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL >> >> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 04:11:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >> > The maintenance has completed, please let me know if you are >> > experiencing any errors. >> >> THANKS! >> >> -- >> Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

May 10, 2017

Re: Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL

by Richard Laager

On May 10, 2017, at 10:32, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > > Also, not urgent but I think it would be great if the technical page details could be updated at some point: config details, exchange topology diagram, etc. I removed the Juniper 10G stack from the participants page. We still have the Juniper 1G stack, so the Juniper config details there are still relevant. Jeremy, can you send me the Arista config off-list, or at least the portion that is equivalent to the Juniper and Cisco sections on: http://micemn.net/technical.html Mike Johnston from Wiktel will be updating the diagram soon (probably Friday). -- Richard

May 10, 2017

Re: Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL

by Justin Krejci

That is great news. Not to sound too cliché but the Lego Movie song is playing in my head now.... Everything is awesome! Maybe a photo of the MICE Arista could be posted to the website. Who doesn't want some SFW nerd porn. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Ben Wiechman [ben.wiechman(a)ARVIG.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:39 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL We had some reports of a small percentage on traffic through MICE to/from Charter during the early stages of the move. With the previously noted issues in mind we monitored the situation a bit. The loss is gone now, and we haven't seen any additional since. Ben Wiechman Network Engineer IV Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com<http://arvig.com> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: Yes this is awesome!! Thanks for all of the efforts!! Jeremy, I recall before there was some discussions around some small amount of packet loss when traffic moved across a certain path from one member to another and it seemed one of the Juniper components was most likely the involved: stacking cables, a particular switch, or something. Without checking the list archives, I believe you were involved in identifying some of this, some of which was improved by re-working a bit of the fabric topology. Since the Arista moves are basically all done, I am curious to hear if any of that previous packet loss is still happening now that many of the previous fabric components are decommissioned. Also, not urgent but I think it would be great if the technical page details could be updated at some point: config details, exchange topology diagram, etc. ________________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] on behalf of Mike Horwath [drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG<mailto:drechsau@GEEKS.ORG>] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:25 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 04:11:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > The maintenance has completed, please let me know if you are > experiencing any errors. THANKS! -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 10, 2017

Re: Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL

by Ben Wiechman

We had some reports of a small percentage on traffic through MICE to/from Charter during the early stages of the move. With the previously noted issues in mind we monitored the situation a bit. The loss is gone now, and we haven't seen any additional since. Ben Wiechman Network Engineer IV Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > Yes this is awesome!! Thanks for all of the efforts!! > > Jeremy, I recall before there was some discussions around some small > amount of packet loss when traffic moved across a certain path from one > member to another and it seemed one of the Juniper components was most > likely the involved: stacking cables, a particular switch, or something. > Without checking the list archives, I believe you were involved in > identifying some of this, some of which was improved by re-working a bit of > the fabric topology. Since the Arista moves are basically all done, I am > curious to hear if any of that previous packet loss is still happening now > that many of the previous fabric components are decommissioned. > > Also, not urgent but I think it would be great if the technical page > details could be updated at some point: config details, exchange topology > diagram, etc. > > > ________________________________________ > From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Mike > Horwath [drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG] > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:25 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Arista Round 4 Moves - FINAL > > On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 04:11:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > The maintenance has completed, please let me know if you are > > experiencing any errors. > > THANKS! > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG >

May 10, 2017