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Re: New Cabinet Pics

by Justin Krejci

Correct, definitely intended; I am guessing more than a few recognize it. :) <context> Kind of an iconic and old side scroller video game, the intro of which was the command: RISE FROM THE GRAVE </context> ________________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Chris Wopat [wopat(a)WISCNET.NET] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 1:57 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] New Cabinet Pics On 07/31/2017 01:55 PM, DeLong, Owen wrote: > Methinks that was not the intended link. > > Owen > >> On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:08 , Justin Krejci <jkrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihEhsdwiIk >> >> I am resurrecting this thread. Oh it's correct, may just need volume + context ^ -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965

July 31, 2017

Re: New Cabinet Pics

by Chris Wopat

On 07/31/2017 01:55 PM, DeLong, Owen wrote: > Methinks that was not the intended link. > > Owen > >> On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:08 , Justin Krejci <jkrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihEhsdwiIk >> >> I am resurrecting this thread. Oh it's correct, may just need volume + context ^ -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965

July 31, 2017

Re: New Cabinet Pics

by DeLong, Owen

Methinks that was not the intended link. Owen > On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:08 , Justin Krejci <jkrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihEhsdwiIk > > I am resurrecting this thread. If anyone is still interested in this kind of a solution of the breakout panel, I had my go-to guy for miscellaneous fiber bits and pieces get me a price on a few of these breakout panels with various options as I have run into a need for this type of product myself. Let me know if you want more info and I can pass you over his part numbers and his contact details. > > > > ________________________________________ > From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Jeremy Lumby [jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:36 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] New Cabinet Pics > > Andy, > > I have received quite a few questions about the QSFP breakout panel, so I decided to answer your question plus more detail on list. I wish I had more info for you. I obtained it from a remote hands uninstall I did, and the owner did not care to have me ship it back. It has no markings on it, so I have no clue who made it, or what its model number might be. The main reason I loaned it to MICE was because the new switch had almost the same number of 10G ports that the old Juniper stack had. Since we were out of ports, had to delay new member connections, and needed extras to tie the Arista to the Juniper stack, I utilized QSFPs to get additional 10G ports to tie the switches together, as well as to connect all members that had expressed an interest in upgrading to 100G in the near future. This freed up a bunch of SFP+ ports for immediate use by new members. Since the process began, we have already had 3 QSFP28 100G connections go live freeing up 9 SFP+ ports. > > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andy Koch > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:26 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] New Cabinet Pics > > Thank you Jeremy, looking good. > > Question on the QSFP breakout panel: WiscNet is evaluating a couple of > these, but I have not seen the model that is installed here. What was > the source of this panel and do you have a model/manufacturer? > > Thanks for the info. > > Andy > > -- > Andy Koch > Network Engineer, WiscNet > akoch(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3967 > > 10 May 2017 at 14:37:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >> I officially cleaned out the old 1/3 MICE cabinet today, and got some pictures of the new cabinet. I left them full resolution so that you can use them for other things. Since they were so large, I did not want to attach them, so they are at the following links. Special thanks again to Cologix, Anthony, Doug, Richard, and Jay for their assistance with the migration. >> >> http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab1.jpg >> >> http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab2.jpg >> >> http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab3.jpg >> >> >> Jeremy Lumby >> Minnesota VoIP >> 9217 17th Ave S >> Suite 216 >> Bloomington, MN 55425 >> Main: 612-355-7740 x211 >> Direct: 612-392-6814 >> EFax: 952-873-7425 >> jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

July 31, 2017

Re: New Cabinet Pics

by Justin Krejci

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihEhsdwiIk I am resurrecting this thread. If anyone is still interested in this kind of a solution of the breakout panel, I had my go-to guy for miscellaneous fiber bits and pieces get me a price on a few of these breakout panels with various options as I have run into a need for this type of product myself. Let me know if you want more info and I can pass you over his part numbers and his contact details. ________________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Jeremy Lumby [jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:36 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] New Cabinet Pics Andy, I have received quite a few questions about the QSFP breakout panel, so I decided to answer your question plus more detail on list. I wish I had more info for you. I obtained it from a remote hands uninstall I did, and the owner did not care to have me ship it back. It has no markings on it, so I have no clue who made it, or what its model number might be. The main reason I loaned it to MICE was because the new switch had almost the same number of 10G ports that the old Juniper stack had. Since we were out of ports, had to delay new member connections, and needed extras to tie the Arista to the Juniper stack, I utilized QSFPs to get additional 10G ports to tie the switches together, as well as to connect all members that had expressed an interest in upgrading to 100G in the near future. This freed up a bunch of SFP+ ports for immediate use by new members. Since the process began, we have already had 3 QSFP28 100G connections go live freeing up 9 SFP+ ports. Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andy Koch Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:26 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] New Cabinet Pics Thank you Jeremy, looking good. Question on the QSFP breakout panel: WiscNet is evaluating a couple of these, but I have not seen the model that is installed here. What was the source of this panel and do you have a model/manufacturer? Thanks for the info. Andy -- Andy Koch Network Engineer, WiscNet akoch(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3967 10 May 2017 at 14:37:00, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > I officially cleaned out the old 1/3 MICE cabinet today, and got some pictures of the new cabinet. I left them full resolution so that you can use them for other things. Since they were so large, I did not want to attach them, so they are at the following links. Special thanks again to Cologix, Anthony, Doug, Richard, and Jay for their assistance with the migration. > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab1.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab2.jpg > > http://www.mnvoip.com/mice/newcab3.jpg > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > Main: 612-355-7740 x211 > Direct: 612-392-6814 > EFax: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

July 31, 2017

Re: Arista 7508R Chassis'

by Mike Horwath

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 12:10, DeLong, Owen <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> wrote: > > Sounds like it might make a good show and tell for a UG meeting. I agree. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

July 28, 2017

WiscNet Maintenance in Minneapolis - 2017-08-09 00:01 - 06:00

by Chris Wopat

WiscNet will be performing software upgrades on our Minneapolis equipment beginning at midnight the morning of Wed August 9th. This will down all MICE sessions while the router upgrades. Expected downtime is about 30 minutes. Thanks, -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965

July 28, 2017

Re: Arista 7508R Chassis'

by DeLong, Owen

Sounds like it might make a good show and tell for a UG meeting. Owen On Jul 28, 2017, at 04:35 , Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com>> wrote: Arvig would also be interested in this at some point. Ben Wiechman Director of Information Technology (Interim) Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__arvig.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=96…> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Corey Hines <00000007b566cbe7-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:00000007b566cbe7-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: Mike and MICE-Discuss, Side topic based on Mike's comments. Hardware labs of course require gear, but Arista also distributes EOS as veos-lab. This is EOS as a VM. Typically, you can put 8 front panel interfaces on the VM and use your hypervisor's virtual switches to connect them together. Now, a vswitch as interswitch link has a few caveats, but this is a great way to learn EOS and work with some of the features that has made us a network engineer's friend. Let me know if we can start a thread to discuss this further or if anyone wants to organize a virtual event to help MICE members build veos labs on ESXi, Ravello, vbox, or other hypervisor or platform like EVE-NG or even GNS3. I have personal experience with all but GNS3. Thanks everyone! -Corey On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:08 AM Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org<mailto:drechsau@geeks.org>> wrote: On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 08:01:43PM +0000, DeLong, Owen wrote: > I favor MICE finding a way to add these to the exchange. I concur. I also have a lab that would love some Arista gear so I can get more knowledge on how it all works vs just reading things :) (not kidding on the lab, kidding on the request) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG<mailto:drechsau@geeks.org> -- Corey Hines Systems Engineer Arista Networks m 612-209-6550<tel:(612)%20209-6550> o 408-547-8075<tel:(408)%20547-8075> chines(a)arista.com<mailto:chines@arista.com> TAC: support(a)arista.com<mailto:support@arista.com> www.arista.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.arista.com&d=DwMFaQ…> Arista EOS: A Tale of Opposite Architectures<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-…> Download the EOS Configuration Manual<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.arista.com_assets_…> Install vEOS-lab for testing & training<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__eos.arista.com_running…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

July 28, 2017

Re: Arista 7508R Chassis'

by Ben Wiechman

Arvig would also be interested in this at some point. Ben Wiechman Director of Information Technology (Interim) Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Corey Hines < 00000007b566cbe7-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > Mike and MICE-Discuss, > > Side topic based on Mike's comments. Hardware labs of course require gear, > but Arista also distributes EOS as veos-lab. This is EOS as a VM. > Typically, you can put 8 front panel interfaces on the VM and use your > hypervisor's virtual switches to connect them together. Now, a vswitch as > interswitch link has a few caveats, but this is a great way to learn EOS > and work with some of the features that has made us a network engineer's > friend. > > Let me know if we can start a thread to discuss this further or if anyone > wants to organize a virtual event to help MICE members build veos labs on > ESXi, Ravello, vbox, or other hypervisor or platform like EVE-NG or even > GNS3. I have personal experience with all but GNS3. > > Thanks everyone! > > -Corey > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:08 AM Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org> wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 08:01:43PM +0000, DeLong, Owen wrote: >> > I favor MICE finding a way to add these to the exchange. >> >> I concur. >> >> I also have a lab that would love some Arista gear so I can get more >> knowledge on how it all works vs just reading things :) (not kidding >> on the lab, kidding on the request) >> >> -- >> Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG >> > -- > Corey Hines > Systems Engineer > Arista Networks > m 612-209-6550 <(612)%20209-6550> > o 408-547-8075 <(408)%20547-8075> > chines(a)arista.com > TAC: support(a)arista.com > www.arista.com > Arista EOS: A Tale of Opposite Architectures > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfwr6sY27hA&authuser=1> > Download the EOS Configuration Manual > <https://www.arista.com/assets/data/docs/Manuals/EOS-4.15.4F-Manual.pdf> > Install vEOS-lab for testing & training > <https://eos.arista.com/running-veos-on-esxi-5-5/> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

July 28, 2017

Re: Arista 7508R Chassis'

by Mike Horwath

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 02:29:09PM +0000, Corey Hines wrote: > Mike and MICE-Discuss, > > Side topic based on Mike's comments. Hardware labs of course require > gear, but Arista also distributes EOS as veos-lab. This is EOS as a > VM. That's awesome. Thanks Mr. Hines! I might have to .. email you later. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

July 27, 2017

Re: Arista 7508R Chassis'

by Corey Hines

Mike and MICE-Discuss, Side topic based on Mike's comments. Hardware labs of course require gear, but Arista also distributes EOS as veos-lab. This is EOS as a VM. Typically, you can put 8 front panel interfaces on the VM and use your hypervisor's virtual switches to connect them together. Now, a vswitch as interswitch link has a few caveats, but this is a great way to learn EOS and work with some of the features that has made us a network engineer's friend. Let me know if we can start a thread to discuss this further or if anyone wants to organize a virtual event to help MICE members build veos labs on ESXi, Ravello, vbox, or other hypervisor or platform like EVE-NG or even GNS3. I have personal experience with all but GNS3. Thanks everyone! -Corey On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:08 AM Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 08:01:43PM +0000, DeLong, Owen wrote: > > I favor MICE finding a way to add these to the exchange. > > I concur. > > I also have a lab that would love some Arista gear so I can get more > knowledge on how it all works vs just reading things :) (not kidding > on the lab, kidding on the request) > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > -- Corey Hines Systems Engineer Arista Networks m 612-209-6550 o 408-547-8075 chines(a)arista.com TAC: support(a)arista.com www.arista.com Arista EOS: A Tale of Opposite Architectures <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfwr6sY27hA&authuser=1> Download the EOS Configuration Manual <https://www.arista.com/assets/data/docs/Manuals/EOS-4.15.4F-Manual.pdf> Install vEOS-lab for testing & training <https://eos.arista.com/running-veos-on-esxi-5-5/>

July 27, 2017

Re: Arista 7508R Chassis'

by Mike Horwath

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 08:01:43PM +0000, DeLong, Owen wrote: > I favor MICE finding a way to add these to the exchange. I concur. I also have a lab that would love some Arista gear so I can get more knowledge on how it all works vs just reading things :) (not kidding on the lab, kidding on the request) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

July 27, 2017

Re: Arista 7508R Chassis'

by DeLong, Owen

I favor MICE finding a way to add these to the exchange. Owen On Jul 26, 2017, at 06:41 , John McLaughlin <00000006ae0bfcb7-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:00000006ae0bfcb7-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: Good Morning Mice Members: We have run into a situation where we may have (2) new 7508 chassis’ available at no charge. If you’re interested in accepting shipment on these as early as next week and commit to using them in your lab or network (not for resale) please contact me at your earliest convenience. Please review the attached data sheet for sizing & power information. We have a number of new MICE Members as customers so we thought it would be best to send out to all members and go from there. If there is more than one member interested and able to accept shipment next week we could raffle them off over a lunch or something similar. ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> <7500RDataSheet.pdf> Thank you all for your continued support and interest in Arista! -JMc John McLaughlin 612-816-9024 Major Accounts Manager jmclaughlin(a)arista.com<mailto:jmclaughlin@arista.com> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> <PastedGraphic-1.tiff> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

July 26, 2017

Re: Arista 7508R Chassis'

by Scott Strelitz

What is this about? Scott Strelitz Regional Sales Director, North Central Arista Networks, Inc 1-847-833-5330 Mobile sstrelitz(a)arista.com Mail www.arista.com > On Jul 26, 2017, at 8:41 AM, John McLaughlin <00000006ae0bfcb7-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> wrote: > > Good Morning Mice Members: > > We have run into a situation where we may have (2) new 7508 chassis’ available at no charge. If you’re interested in accepting shipment on these as early as next week > and commit to using them in your lab or network (not for resale) please contact me at your earliest convenience. Please review the attached data sheet for sizing & power > information. > > We have a number of new MICE Members as customers so we thought it would be best to send out to all members and go from there. If there is more than one member > interested and able to accept shipment next week we could raffle them off over a lunch or something similar. > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > <7500RDataSheet.pdf> > > Thank you all for your continued support and interest in Arista! > > -JMc > > John McLaughlin > 612-816-9024 > Major Accounts Manager > jmclaughlin(a)arista.com > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > <PastedGraphic-1.tiff> > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 26, 2017

Arista 7508R Chassis'

by John McLaughlin

Good Morning Mice Members: We have run into a situation where we may have (2) new 7508 chassis’ available at no charge. If you’re interested in accepting shipment on these as early as next week and commit to using them in your lab or network (not for resale) please contact me at your earliest convenience. Please review the attached data sheet for sizing & power information. We have a number of new MICE Members as customers so we thought it would be best to send out to all members and go from there. If there is more than one member interested and able to accept shipment next week we could raffle them off over a lunch or something similar. Thank you all for your continued support and interest in Arista! -JMc John McLaughlin 612-816-9024 Major Accounts Manager jmclaughlin(a)arista.com

July 26, 2017

Re: Please welcome Future Technologies to MICE!

by Jason Hanke

route server yes bfd no On Jul 16, 2017 1:48 AM, "Richard Laager" <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > On 07/13/2017 04:07 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: > > Route Server User (Y/n) > > BFD Support (y/N) > > What's Future Technologies's on these? > > -- > Richard >

July 16, 2017

Re: Please welcome Future Technologies to MICE!

by Richard Laager

On 07/13/2017 04:07 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: > Route Server User (Y/n) > BFD Support (y/N) What's Future Technologies's on these? -- Richard

July 16, 2017

Re: Please welcome Future Technologies to MICE!

by Doug McIntyre

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:07:34PM -0500, Jason Hanke wrote: >Company Name: Future Wireless Technologies of Nebraska, Inc. >ASN: 26451 >IPv4: 206.108.255.80/24 >IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:6753::1 > >ASN: 32314 >IPv4: 206.108.255.81 >IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:7e3a::1 > >Port: Neutral Path Remote ge-0/0/8 >Connection Point: (NP Remote Switch) >Route Server User (Y/n) >BFD Support (y/N) >Peering Contact Email: jon(a)futuretk.com The route server has both ASN's in it now for them. Welcome! -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

July 14, 2017

Please welcome Future Technologies to MICE!

by Jason Hanke

Company Name: Future Wireless Technologies of Nebraska, Inc. ASN: 26451 IPv4: 206.108.255.80/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:6753::1 ASN: 32314 IPv4: 206.108.255.81 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:7e3a::1 Port: Neutral Path Remote ge-0/0/8 Connection Point: (NP Remote Switch) Route Server User (Y/n) BFD Support (y/N) Peering Contact Email: jon(a)futuretk.com Billing address and billing email address 134 S. 13th street Suite 303 Lincoln Nebraska 68508 billing(a)futuretk.com Welcome Aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

July 13, 2017

Nomination: Anthony of NU Telecom to board

by Mike Horwath

To take seat being vacated by Jay. -- Mike, via phone

July 12, 2017

MICE UG 24 Meeting

by Richard Laager

The MICE UG 24 meeting will be held July 12, 3:00 pm, at SDN Communications, 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, SD. The agenda and UG 23 minutes are attached. The remote conferencing will be the same as before: 952-562-5400 passcode MICE (6423). -- Richard

July 11, 2017

Who is driving from the cities?

by Mike Horwath

I plan on leaving about 0800 hours Wednesday morning. Caveat: You'd have to put up with me. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

July 11, 2017

Re: MICE Tax-Exempt Application Status

by DeLong, Owen

If you think about it, it’s not an unreasonable choice of classification. A business league (c)(6) is really a trade association, similar to ARIN or Associated Locksimiths of America (ALOA), The Dairy Council, etc. These are usually bodies that allow members of an industry to gather and discuss issues of common concern to said industry and possibly engage in certain levels of self-governance/self-regulation. MICE-UG could probably get (c)(6) designation, but MICE itself does seem to fit better in (c)(12) from where I’m sitting. Have we sought advice about the advantages and disadvantages of accepting this revised designation from competent council? Would be nice to know what the lawyers have to say. Owen > On Jul 7, 2017, at 11:58 , Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > The IRS has notified MICE of its intention to _deny_ our Application for > Recognition of Exemption. Recall that we filed under Section 501(c)(6), > the classification which includes "business leagues, chambers of > commerce, etc.". > > The IRS has suggested an alternative classification of 501(c)(12), which > we understand is very likely to be approved. This is the classification > which includes "mutual or cooperative telephone companies, or like > organizations". > > The board encourages all interested members to attend the UG 24 meeting, > July 12, 3:00 pm, at SDN Communications in Sioux Falls, SD. > > -- > Richard

July 7, 2017

MICE Tax-Exempt Application Status

by Richard Laager

The IRS has notified MICE of its intention to _deny_ our Application for Recognition of Exemption. Recall that we filed under Section 501(c)(6), the classification which includes "business leagues, chambers of commerce, etc.". The IRS has suggested an alternative classification of 501(c)(12), which we understand is very likely to be approved. This is the classification which includes "mutual or cooperative telephone companies, or like organizations". The board encourages all interested members to attend the UG 24 meeting, July 12, 3:00 pm, at SDN Communications in Sioux Falls, SD. -- Richard

July 7, 2017

Re: MICE Equipment

by Richard Laager

The MICE Equipment diagrams have been updated for the Arista changes. They are linked from the technical page: http://micemn.net/technical.html Thanks, Mike Johnston! -- Richard

July 7, 2017

Re: UG 24 - Call for Agenda

by Jason Hanke

We should do a "MICE/Peering 101". There will be a fair number of new faces. On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > If you have agenda items for the upcoming UG 24, please send them to me. > > -- > Richard > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

July 7, 2017

Re: Crufty Networks?

by Levi Pederson

David, FiberNet advertisements are no longer under that AS. They are now an Arvig subnet. Thank you, *Levi Pederson* Mankato Networks LLC cell | 612.481.0769 work | 612.787.7392 levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 6:16 AM, John Unger <john(a)vaultas.com> wrote: > Ryan, fyi... > > How do we remain valid in NICE? > > What should we do regarding this? > > > > Regards, > > John Unger > *Vaultas Data Centers* > john(a)vaultas.com > 612.325.2909 <(612)%20325-2909> > www.vaultas.com > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > Date: 7/6/17 7:20 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Crufty Networks? > > Introvex is fairly new, and still has some things to sort out. > > > > > > Jeremy Lumby > > Minnesota VoIP > > 9217 17th Ave S > > Suite 216 > > Bloomington, MN 55425 > > Main: 612-355-7740 x211 <(612)%20355-7740> > > Direct: 612-392-6814 <(612)%20392-6814> > > EFax: 952-873-7425 <(952)%20873-7425> > > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > > > > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *David Farmer > *Sent:* Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:14 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Crufty Networks? > > > > Is Vaultas AS53480 still a live network? > > > > I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any > traffic across MICE since May 30th, 2017 from the ASN. I think the > prefixes that were advertised from this ASN are now advertised by Compudyne > AS47096, maybe that's a clue. There web site seems live. > > > > Is Monticello Fibernet AS393466 still a live network? > > > > I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any > traffic across MICE since March 20th, 2017 from the ASN. I don't see the > prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. > Their website seems live, but says "delivered by Arvig" now, maybe that's a > clue. :) > > > > Is Introvex Solutions AS135886 still a live network? > > > > I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't ever seen > any traffic across MICE from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously > associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Cloudflare says their > website is offline, maybe that's a clue. > > > > Just want to clean things up if they are gone. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> > =============================================== > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

July 7, 2017

Re: UG 24 - Call for Agenda

by Mike O'Connor

howzabout a slot to chat with Mark McFadden about ICANN? 4pm or later please, so's i can get wheels down and join the bridge. thanks, mike > On Jul 7, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > If you have agenda items for the upcoming UG 24, please send them to me. > > -- > Richard WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

July 7, 2017

Re: Crufty Networks?

by John Unger

Ryan, fyi... How do we remain valid in NICE? What should we do regarding this? Regards, John Unger Vaultas Data Centers john(a)vaultas.com 612.325.2909 www.vaultas.com -------- Original message -------- From: Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> Date: 7/6/17 7:20 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Crufty Networks? Introvex is fairly new, and still has some things to sort out. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 x211 Direct: 612-392-6814 EFax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:14 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Crufty Networks? Is Vaultas AS53480 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any traffic across MICE since May 30th, 2017 from the ASN. I think the prefixes that were advertised from this ASN are now advertised by Compudyne AS47096, maybe that's a clue. There web site seems live. Is Monticello Fibernet AS393466 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any traffic across MICE since March 20th, 2017 from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Their website seems live, but says "delivered by Arvig" now, maybe that's a clue. :) Is Introvex Solutions AS135886 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't ever seen any traffic across MICE from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Cloudflare says their website is offline, maybe that's a clue. Just want to clean things up if they are gone. Thanks. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu> Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<tel:(612)%20626-0815> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<tel:(612)%20812-9952> =============================================== ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 7, 2017

UG 24 - Call for Agenda

by Richard Laager

If you have agenda items for the upcoming UG 24, please send them to me. -- Richard

July 7, 2017

Re: Crufty Networks?

by David Farmer

They seem to have a lot of things to figure out, according to HE they haven't been seen on the Internet since June 10th, and Cloudflare says their server is offline. http://bgp.he.net/AS135886#_asinfo https://www.introvex.net/ I included them in this list because they don't seem to be live on the Internet at all. There were several other networks new to MICE that aren't live on the IX yet, but I see them on the Internet. So I'm patiently waiting to see them on MICE. However, I wasn't sure what to think about these guys, I'll be patient a while longer then. Thanks On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > Introvex is fairly new, and still has some things to sort out. > > > > > > Jeremy Lumby > > Minnesota VoIP > > 9217 17th Ave S > > Suite 216 > > Bloomington, MN 55425 > > Main: 612-355-7740 x211 <(612)%20355-7740> > > Direct: 612-392-6814 <(612)%20392-6814> > > EFax: 952-873-7425 <(952)%20873-7425> > > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > > > > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *David Farmer > *Sent:* Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:14 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Crufty Networks? > > > > Is Vaultas AS53480 still a live network? > > > > I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any > traffic across MICE since May 30th, 2017 from the ASN. I think the > prefixes that were advertised from this ASN are now advertised by Compudyne > AS47096, maybe that's a clue. There web site seems live. > > > > Is Monticello Fibernet AS393466 still a live network? > > > > I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any > traffic across MICE since March 20th, 2017 from the ASN. I don't see the > prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. > Their website seems live, but says "delivered by Arvig" now, maybe that's a > clue. :) > > > > Is Introvex Solutions AS135886 still a live network? > > > > I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't ever seen > any traffic across MICE from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously > associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Cloudflare says their > website is offline, maybe that's a clue. > > > > Just want to clean things up if they are gone. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> > =============================================== > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

July 7, 2017

Re: Crufty Networks?

by Jeremy Lumby

Introvex is fairly new, and still has some things to sort out. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 x211 Direct: 612-392-6814 EFax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:14 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Crufty Networks? Is Vaultas AS53480 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any traffic across MICE since May 30th, 2017 from the ASN. I think the prefixes that were advertised from this ASN are now advertised by Compudyne AS47096, maybe that's a clue. There web site seems live. Is Monticello Fibernet AS393466 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any traffic across MICE since March 20th, 2017 from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Their website seems live, but says "delivered by Arvig" now, maybe that's a clue. :) Is Introvex Solutions AS135886 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't ever seen any traffic across MICE from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Cloudflare says their website is offline, maybe that's a clue. Just want to clean things up if they are gone. Thanks. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 7, 2017

Re: Crufty Networks?

by Ryan Goldberg

Prefixes previously announced by Vaultas/AS53480 are now announced by Compudyne/AS47096 Sorry for not keeping a clean house. The AS53480 config can be deleted from the route servers and any bilateral configs can be deleted. Ryan From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:14 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Crufty Networks? Is Vaultas AS53480 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any traffic across MICE since May 30th, 2017 from the ASN. I think the prefixes that were advertised from this ASN are now advertised by Compudyne AS47096, maybe that's a clue. There web site seems live. Is Monticello Fibernet AS393466 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any traffic across MICE since March 20th, 2017 from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Their website seems live, but says "delivered by Arvig" now, maybe that's a clue. :) Is Introvex Solutions AS135886 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't ever seen any traffic across MICE from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Cloudflare says their website is offline, maybe that's a clue. Just want to clean things up if they are gone. Thanks. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu> Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815<tel:(612)%20626-0815> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952<tel:(612)%20812-9952> =============================================== ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 6, 2017

Crufty Networks?

by David Farmer

Is Vaultas AS53480 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any traffic across MICE since May 30th, 2017 from the ASN. I think the prefixes that were advertised from this ASN are now advertised by Compudyne AS47096, maybe that's a clue. There web site seems live. Is Monticello Fibernet AS393466 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't seen any traffic across MICE since March 20th, 2017 from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Their website seems live, but says "delivered by Arvig" now, maybe that's a clue. :) Is Introvex Solutions AS135886 still a live network? I don't see any prefixes associated with the ASN, and haven't ever seen any traffic across MICE from the ASN. I don't see the prefixes previously associated with this ASN anywhere on the Internet. Cloudflare says their website is offline, maybe that's a clue. Just want to clean things up if they are gone. Thanks. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> ===============================================

July 6, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by DeLong, Owen

I’m sure if someone asked, he would join if he hasn’t already. Owen On Jun 28, 2017, at 15:20 , Matthew Beckwell <matthewb(a)AITECH.NET<mailto:matthewb@aitech.net>> wrote: He's not on the mailing list? Hmmm... On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com<mailto:mike@haven2.com>> wrote: thanks. let me ping Mark. m > On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM<mailto:rlaager@WIKTEL.COM>> wrote: > > On 06/28/2017 04:32 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote: >> Can you lay dates and locations on me? i'm pretty sure one or both of us could attend by phone. > > MICE User Group 24 > July 12, 3:00pm, SDN Communications > 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, SD > > UG 25 Tentatively September 27 > > -- > Richard WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

July 5, 2017

US Internet - Scheduled Maintenance

by Justin Krejci

On July 10th, we will be shutting down our BGP sessions through MICE as we will moving some fiber connections; we are splicing onto our new Corning Centrix frame. The window for the splicing work is 8am-noon. Justin Krejci 952-253-3200 ・ 1-800-US-INTERNET 12450 Wayzata Blvd. Suite 315 ・ Minnetonka, MN 55305 [http://www.usinternet.com/img/usi-signature.png]

June 29, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

July 12th will work for us. i'd like to see if we could join the phone bridge around 4 or thereafter as i'll be traveling at 3. thanks, mike > On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:15 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com> wrote: > > thanks. let me ping Mark. > > m > >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: >> >> On 06/28/2017 04:32 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote: >>> Can you lay dates and locations on me? i'm pretty sure one or both of us could attend by phone. >> >> MICE User Group 24 >> July 12, 3:00pm, SDN Communications >> 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, SD >> >> UG 25 Tentatively September 27 >> >> -- >> Richard > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 29, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Matthew Beckwell

He's not on the mailing list? Hmmm... On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com> wrote: > thanks. let me ping Mark. > > m > > > On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > > > On 06/28/2017 04:32 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote: > >> Can you lay dates and locations on me? i'm pretty sure one or both of > us could attend by phone. > > > > MICE User Group 24 > > July 12, 3:00pm, SDN Communications > > 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, SD > > > > UG 25 Tentatively September 27 > > > > -- > > Richard > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 > Fax:(866)-280-2356 >

June 28, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

thanks. let me ping Mark. m > On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > On 06/28/2017 04:32 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote: >> Can you lay dates and locations on me? i'm pretty sure one or both of us could attend by phone. > > MICE User Group 24 > July 12, 3:00pm, SDN Communications > 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, SD > > UG 25 Tentatively September 27 > > -- > Richard WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 28, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Richard Laager

On 06/28/2017 04:32 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote: > Can you lay dates and locations on me? i'm pretty sure one or both of us could attend by phone. MICE User Group 24 July 12, 3:00pm, SDN Communications 2900 W 10th St, Sioux Falls, SD UG 25 Tentatively September 27 -- Richard

June 28, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

Can you lay dates and locations on me? i'm pretty sure one or both of us could attend by phone. mike > On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > On 06/16/2017 06:55 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote: >> i'm going to drop off the 'net for a few days while i attend the Energy >> Fair in Stevens Point. so i thought i'd try banging out a draft >> resolution for the Board as a way to move this along. > It's looking like the best next step would be to discuss this more. Is > there any chance that you and/or Mark will be coming to the user group > meeting in Sioux Falls? Or the next one in Minneapolis? > > -- > Richard WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 28, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Richard Laager

On 06/16/2017 06:55 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote: > i'm going to drop off the 'net for a few days while i attend the Energy > Fair in Stevens Point. so i thought i'd try banging out a draft > resolution for the Board as a way to move this along. It's looking like the best next step would be to discuss this more. Is there any chance that you and/or Mark will be coming to the user group meeting in Sioux Falls? Or the next one in Minneapolis? -- Richard

June 28, 2017

Re: Please welcome Gigamonster to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Correct From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:24 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Please welcome Gigamonster to MICE! I assume that is AS31939. Thanks. On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> wrote: Name: Gigamonster, LLC Port: Ethernet5/10 (10G) Main Switch IPv4: 206.108.255.79/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:7cc3::1/64 Route Server: NO BFD Support: NO Peering Contact: engr(a)gigamonster.net Billing Contact: accountspayable(a)gigamonster.net Welcome Aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 20, 2017

Re: Please welcome Gigamonster to MICE!

by David Farmer

I assume that is AS31939. Thanks. On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> wrote: > Name: Gigamonster, LLC > Port: Ethernet5/10 (10G) Main Switch > IPv4: 206.108.255.79/24 > IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:7cc3::1/64 > Route Server: NO > BFD Support: NO > Peering Contact: engr(a)gigamonster.net > > Billing Contact: accountspayable(a)gigamonster.net > > Welcome Aboard! > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

June 20, 2017

Please welcome Gigamonster to MICE!

by Jason Hanke

Name: Gigamonster, LLC Port: Ethernet5/10 (10G) Main Switch IPv4: 206.108.255.79/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:7cc3::1/64 Route Server: NO BFD Support: NO Peering Contact: engr(a)gigamonster.net Billing Contact: accountspayable(a)gigamonster.net Welcome Aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 20, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike O'Connor

i'm going to drop off the 'net for a few days while i attend the Energy Fair in Stevens Point. so i thought i'd try banging out a draft resolution for the Board as a way to move this along. feel free to shred or discard this stuff. i liberally stole some of your words, folks. Whereas MICE is a member of the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers (ISPCP) constituency of ICANN's Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO); Whereas MICE has become and Internet Exchange that is globally recognized, in part because of our participation in ICANN; Whereas MICE has been without a representative since Mike O'Connor stepped down about a year ago; Whereas active and visible participation in the ICANN internet names and numbers policy-making community benefits and advances MICE's mission; Whereas Mark McFadden is the founding Secretariat of the ISPCP constituency and a participant in ICANN since then; Whereas Mark McFadden has recently returned to his home town of Madison, WI and is a resident of the geography we serve; Whereas Mark McFadden has expressed an interest in participating in MICE as our pro bono representative to the ISPCP; Whereas Mark McFadden and MICE agree that this role as representation can be terminated at any time, at the convenience of either party; Whereas Mike O'Connor and several MICE members vouch for Mark's personal and professional suitability as our representative, and; Whereas David Farmer has asked that the Board appoint Mark McFadden as our ISCPC constituency representative to ICANN; now therefore be it Resolved, that the Midwest Cooperative Internet Exchange (MICE) 1. Appoints Mark McFadden as our representative to ICANN's ISCPC constituency; 2. Requests that Mark meet personally with the Board and membership at our earliest mutual convenience to discuss MICE's positions with regard to current ICANN policy issues; 3. Requests that Mark provide periodic reports with regard to ICANN policy issues relevant to MICE; and 4. Requests that Mark regularly solicit MICE positions on ICANN policy issues and faithfully represents them to ICANN. > On Jun 15, 2017, at 10:04 PM, anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net <anthonyanderberg(a)NU-TELECOM.NET> wrote: > > Has it been 5 years? It seems like it was only yesterday that Jay was luring us all to Grumpys with promises of free beer. > > To the larger topic, MICE is the closest thing we have to a regional entity that can bring a mix of interests together to learn and amplify our voices, so it seems like a reasonable fit for MICE to"sponsor" this position. I think the board can and should formally appoint such a person, and I don't think it's out of line to expect periodic reports in some form from the representative as items of interest arise. I don't have any opinion on who that should be, but trust the judgement of those who are closer to the issue and do. > > Cheers, > Anthony > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:27 PM, David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU <mailto:farmer@UMN.EDU>> wrote: > >> I believe in the past 5+ years MICE has become an Internet Exchange that is not just of local or regional note, but one that is globally recognized. This has been through the efforts of many people, but not the least of which was Mike's efforts at ICANN. If Mark is willing to pick up our flag and provide us continued representation at ICANN, I think that is an excellent thing for MICE, the Twin Cities, Minnesota, and the upper-midwest in general. >> >> I don't know Mark personally, but if both Mike and Owen are vouching for him, I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to represent us at ICANN. I would ask that that he try to make it to some of our meetings, so we can get to know him better, but he sound's like the kind of guy who would do that without being asked anyway. :) >> >> Now also, in the last 5 years we've grown into a real organization with things like a budget, a mission, etc... We provide both critical infrastructure and leadership for the Internet community of our region. I think maintaining representation at ICANN is important to our organization and the leadership we provide. With that in mind I ask the MICE board to appoint Mark McFadden as our ISPCP constituency representative to ICANN. >> >> Thank You. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com <mailto:mike@haven2.com>> wrote: >> i asked Mark about MADIX and had a <facepalm> moment when he replied. >> >> MICE is already a member of the ISPCP constituency -- that happened when i started out. MADIX is not. so reestablishing MICE's representation was one of the things on Mark's mind when he approached me. >> >> mike >> >>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:42 AM, DeLong, Owen <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: >>> >>> FWIW, I've know Mark for years and he's as dedicated an internet "public servant" as you'll ever find. He's knowledgeable, thoughtful, well known and well respected throughout many operational and governance/policy oriented groups and generally an all around good guy. >>> >>> I can't think of anyone I would consider a better candidate for the position. >>> >>> Owen >>> >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:24, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@HAVEN2.COM>> wrote: >>> >>>> hi Justin, >>>> >>>> i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group? >>>> >>>> i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions. >>>> >>>> another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> >>>> mike >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM <mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. >>>>> >>>>> I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. >>>>> >>>>> The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: >>>>> >>>>> Quick excerpt: >>>>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i… <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_proceedin…> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. >>>>> >>>>> I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM >>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>> >>>>> hi Justin, >>>>> >>>>> no worries. >>>>> >>>>> ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. >>>>> >>>>> Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. >>>>> >>>>> make sense? >>>>> >>>>> mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM <mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just confused by this whole request. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM >>>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>>> >>>>>> Works for me as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. >>>>>> >>>>>> Owen >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have my vote >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeremy Lumby >>>>>>> Minnesota VoIP >>>>>>> 9217 17th Ave S >>>>>>> Suite 216 >>>>>>> Bloomington MN 55425 >>>>>>> Main 612-355-7740 <tel:(612)%20355-7740> >>>>>>> Direct 612-392-6814 <tel:(612)%20392-6814> >>>>>>> EFax 952-873-7425 <tel:(952)%20873-7425> >>>>>>> jlumny(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>>> From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>> >>>>>>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) >>>>>>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> >>>>>>> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mailto:mike@haven2.com>] >>>>>>> To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] >>>>>>> Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 >>>>>>> hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ICANN: >>>>>>> I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. >>>>>>> I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. >>>>>>> I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. >>>>>>> While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. >>>>>>> My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. >>>>>>> I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> Mark McFadden >>>>>>> Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks for considering this idea, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356

June 16, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by David Farmer

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 03:04:24AM +0000, anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net > wrote: > > Has it been 5 years? It seems like it was only yesterday that Jay > > was luring us all to Grumpys with promises of free beer. > > I think I remember that day..a little too clearly. > > I should have had a beer. > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > Well, that first gathering was on Sept 15th, 2010, 6 years and 9 months ago, and 3,867 emails ago on MICE-DISCUSS from my personal email achive, well 3,868 now. :) -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> ===============================================

June 16, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 03:04:24AM +0000, anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net wrote: > Has it been 5 years? It seems like it was only yesterday that Jay > was luring us all to Grumpys with promises of free beer. I think I remember that day..a little too clearly. I should have had a beer. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

June 16, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by anthonyanderberg＠nu-telecom.net

Has it been 5 years? It seems like it was only yesterday that Jay was luring us all to Grumpys with promises of free beer. To the larger topic, MICE is the closest thing we have to a regional entity that can bring a mix of interests together to learn and amplify our voices, so it seems like a reasonable fit for MICE to"sponsor" this position. I think the board can and should formally appoint such a person, and I don't think it's out of line to expect periodic reports in some form from the representative as items of interest arise. I don't have any opinion on who that should be, but trust the judgement of those who are closer to the issue and do. Cheers, Anthony Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:27 PM, David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU<mailto:farmer@UMN.EDU>> wrote: I believe in the past 5+ years MICE has become an Internet Exchange that is not just of local or regional note, but one that is globally recognized. This has been through the efforts of many people, but not the least of which was Mike's efforts at ICANN. If Mark is willing to pick up our flag and provide us continued representation at ICANN, I think that is an excellent thing for MICE, the Twin Cities, Minnesota, and the upper-midwest in general. I don't know Mark personally, but if both Mike and Owen are vouching for him, I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to represent us at ICANN. I would ask that that he try to make it to some of our meetings, so we can get to know him better, but he sound's like the kind of guy who would do that without being asked anyway. :) Now also, in the last 5 years we've grown into a real organization with things like a budget, a mission, etc... We provide both critical infrastructure and leadership for the Internet community of our region. I think maintaining representation at ICANN is important to our organization and the leadership we provide. With that in mind I ask the MICE board to appoint Mark McFadden as our ISPCP constituency representative to ICANN. Thank You. On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com<mailto:mike@haven2.com>> wrote: i asked Mark about MADIX and had a <facepalm> moment when he replied. MICE is already a member of the ISPCP constituency -- that happened when i started out. MADIX is not. so reestablishing MICE's representation was one of the things on Mark's mind when he approached me. mike On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:42 AM, DeLong, Owen <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: FWIW, I've know Mark for years and he's as dedicated an internet "public servant" as you'll ever find. He's knowledgeable, thoughtful, well known and well respected throughout many operational and governance/policy oriented groups and generally an all around good guy. I can't think of anyone I would consider a better candidate for the position. Owen On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:24, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@HAVEN2.COM>> wrote: hi Justin, i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the group? i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were injected because of ISP-constituency positions. another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. thanks, mike On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it noted on the website or something. The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: Quick excerpt: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes-i…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_proceedin…> He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, especially in someone working on policy. I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? hi Justin, no worries. ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions -- for free. make sense? mike On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and understand what our best interests are as an organization? I am just confused by this whole request. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? Works for me as well. FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. Owen On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: You have my vote Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Main 612-355-7740<tel:(612)%20355-7740> Direct 612-392-6814<tel:(612)%20392-6814> EFax 952-873-7425<tel:(952)%20873-7425> jlumny(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumny@mnvoip.com> -------- Original message -------- From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>> Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? ________________________________ >From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM<mailto:mike@haven2.com>] To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net> [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@lists.iphouse.net>] Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 hi all, Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to continue his very long involvement in that organization. i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of summarizing his qualifications. ICANN: I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful addition to the SSR2. While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other infrastructure related issues. My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. Best regards, Mark Mark McFadden Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect Communications what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest of you? thanks for considering this idea, mike WI:(715) 598-4284<tel:(715)%20598-4284> MN:(651) 647-6109<tel:(651)%20647-6109> Toll Free:(800) 896-0907<tel:(800)%20896-0907> Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> WI:(715) 598-4284<tel:(715)%20598-4284> MN:(651) 647-6109<tel:(651)%20647-6109> Toll Free:(800) 896-0907<tel:(800)%20896-0907> Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> WI:(715) 598-4284<tel:(715)%20598-4284> MN:(651) 647-6109<tel:(651)%20647-6109> Toll Free:(800) 896-0907<tel:(800)%20896-0907> Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 WI:(715) 598-4284<tel:(715)%20598-4284> MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax:(866)-280-2356 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu> Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 16, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by David Farmer

I believe in the past 5+ years MICE has become an Internet Exchange that is not just of local or regional note, but one that is globally recognized. This has been through the efforts of many people, but not the least of which was Mike's efforts at ICANN. If Mark is willing to pick up our flag and provide us continued representation at ICANN, I think that is an excellent thing for MICE, the Twin Cities, Minnesota, and the upper-midwest in general. I don't know Mark personally, but if both Mike and Owen are vouching for him, I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to represent us at ICANN. I would ask that that he try to make it to some of our meetings, so we can get to know him better, but he sound's like the kind of guy who would do that without being asked anyway. :) Now also, in the last 5 years we've grown into a real organization with things like a budget, a mission, etc... We provide both critical infrastructure and leadership for the Internet community of our region. I think maintaining representation at ICANN is important to our organization and the leadership we provide. With that in mind I ask the MICE board to appoint Mark McFadden as our ISPCP constituency representative to ICANN. Thank You. On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)haven2.com> wrote: > i asked Mark about MADIX and had a <facepalm> moment when he replied. > > MICE is already a member of the ISPCP constituency -- that happened when i > started out. MADIX is not. so reestablishing MICE's representation was > one of the things on Mark's mind when he approached me. > > mike > > On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:42 AM, DeLong, Owen <00000005a669d12e-dmarc- > request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: > > FWIW, I've know Mark for years and he's as dedicated an internet "public > servant" as you'll ever find. He's knowledgeable, thoughtful, well known > and well respected throughout many operational and governance/policy > oriented groups and generally an all around good guy. > > I can't think of anyone I would consider a better candidate for the > position. > > Owen > > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:24, Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM> wrote: > > hi Justin, > > i'll go with the will of the group on the degree to which we formalize > Mark's role. however there's an ICANN Policy Forum coming up at the end of > this month (June 26-29) in Johannesburg and i bet that Mark would > appreciate some sort of indication of intent/willingness before the start > of that meeting. at least some statement of intent with formal approval to > follow, or something. what about this -- could i roll back to Mark with an > informal "provisionally yes, final decision to follow" sentiment of the > group? > > i'll gently disagree with your point about DNS and numbering. we don't > represent them, true enough. but we certainly rely on them, and i would > propose that we rely on them in a unique way. for example of how DNS > policy relates to ISPs -- there used to be about 10 gTLDs in the root, now > there are over 1000. just check out a CPANEL nightly CRON job for a list. > some of them work great, some not so much. when they don't work so well, > typically ISPs get the first (complex) support call. there was a lively > debate about the impact of badly-managed expansion of the root zone a few > years ago and some significant stability changes to the policy were > injected because of ISP-constituency positions. > > another angle -- what if the DNS fell down and couldn't get up again? > again, ISP representatives at ICANN are strong voices in support of SSR > because of how much we rely on DNS. so no, we don't represent DNS. but > we sure need it to work right. i think we need strong representation to > counterbalance the organizations that simply want to sell more domains. > > thanks, > > mike > > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM > <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com>> wrote: > > Yeah, the explanation makes sense. Thanks for enumerating that out. > > I feel like whether or not Mark would be a good fit, I don't think an > informal poll on the list is sufficient for MICE. I would think either the > board would need to decide or else an approved motion at a UG meeting would > be the appropriate way to designate someone for this role/representation. > If we are going to have these kinds of liason/representative roles, it > should probably be formalized, at least a little bit like by having it > noted on the website or something. > > The few respondents so far seem pretty positive towards approving this > request but I can quite honestly say I don't know anything about Mark aside > from the snippet below and a few things I've read online: > > Quick excerpt: > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/mcfadden-to-roseman-2003-11-11-en > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource…> > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/05/12/dnsop/minutes/minutes- > interim-2015-dnsop-1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_proceedin…> > > > He seems like a rather pragmatic person, which I find very appropriate, > especially in someone working on policy. > > I still find it a bit of a stretch to say that MICE represents DNS or > numbering in any meaningful way. MICE is made up of various members, some > of whom are ISPs and DNS operators but DNS is not the mission or focus of > MICE in any way. I would call it tangential at best. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of Mike O'Connor [ > mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:29 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine > wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > hi Justin, > > no worries. > > ICANN has a constituency that represents the interests of ISPs when it > makes policy about the operation of the DNS. i represented MICE in the ISP > Constituency from 2012 until last year when i finally retired from all > things Internet. MICE has a stake in the DNS because we, and our ISP > members, are the front-line responders if/when the DNS goes wrong. it's > important for ISPs to speak up in favor of security, stability and > resiliency of the DNS in policy discussions. > > Mark's relationship with MICE would probably be a lot like mine -- > interested supporter of the MICE mission. the way folks like Mark and me > can help is by being a strong voice for the SSR issues that all ISPs face, > including MICE and its member ISPs. knowing Mark as i do, i know that he > would get to know MICE, would be happy to brief us on what's going on at > ICANN, bring policy issues to us for comment and subsequently represent > those views in policy discussions. having Mark in this role is like having > a world-expert consultant as our representative in these policy discussions > -- for free. > > make sense? > > mike > > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM > <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com>> wrote: > > No sleight against him in any way is intended but I would question his > relationship to MICE; what is the reason he specifically would be > representing our organization? Is he a member? What kinds of things were > done in the past and what kinds of things would be expected in the future > in terms of "representing MICE at ICANN" as I don't see much overlap of > ICANN and MICE. What sort of weight or authority does this "volunteer to > represent MICE at ICANN" really provide? Is he familiar with MICE and > understand what our best interests are as an organization? > > I am just confused by this whole request. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] on behalf of DeLong, Owen [ > 00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <00000005a669d12e-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:03 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine > wonders if he could represent us at ICANN? > > Works for me as well. > > FWIW, if people would like, I can back Mark up to some extent as I am now > attending ICANN meetings representing Akamai as a registrar. > > Owen > > On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:55 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM > <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com>> wrote: > > You have my vote > > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington MN 55425 > Main 612-355-7740 <(612)%20355-7740> > Direct 612-392-6814 <(612)%20392-6814> > EFax 952-873-7425 <(952)%20873-7425> > jlumny(a)mnvoip.com > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mike O'Connor <mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>> > Date: 6/14/17 1:47 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if > he could represent us at ICANN? > > ------------------------------ > From : Mike O'Connor [mike(a)HAVEN2.COM <mike(a)haven2.com>] > To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net> [ > MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>] > Date : Wednesday, June 14 2017 13:46:01 > hi all, > > Mark McFadden inquired as to whether he could take on the volunteer > "represent MICE at ICANN" role that i used to fill. if that decision were > left entirely to me i would say "absolutely" as Mark is one of the folks i > held in highest regard while i was a participant at ICANN. i'm putting > this request to you in much the same way that i did when i asked whether i > could represent us, back in 2012. this would be a volunteer arrangement in > which Mark would stand ready to provide briefings and insights as MICE > requests - in return for which he would have standing within ICANN to > continue his very long involvement in that organization. > > i did a search on "Mark McFadden ICANN" which turned up all kinds of > stuff. i thought this recent letter from Mark did a pretty good job of > summarizing his qualifications. > > ICANN: > > I am pleased to submit my name for consideration for the AoC Review Team > on Security, Stability, and Resilience of the DNS. I have attached a short > CV and my statement of interest. Note that I have a formal Conflict of > Interests statement, dated 1 August 2016, on file with ICANN. > > I have been a participant in ICANN since its beginnings serving as > Secretariat to the ISPCP constituency, the Chair of the Address Supporting > Organization, member of the RSTEP, and most recently as a member of the > ISPCP constituency. I have also directed work on two of the Independent > Evaluation panels for the new gTLD program. > > I have significant experience working with DNS infrastructure in my time > at BT and subsequently as an advisor for Western European governments on > Internet policy related to the DNS. In that capacity, I’ve worked on > DNSSEC projects, standardization efforts in the IETF, andperformance and > security management for large DNS implementations. I believe that the > combination of technical and policy background makes for a very helpful > addition to the SSR2. > > While with BT, I was responsible for policy and technical coordination of > a global DNS implementation and worked on DNSSEC, enum and other > infrastructure related issues. > > My interests in stability issues related to the DNS is broad. I have been > a contributor to DNSOP in the IETF and to the effort to understand name > collision in the context of the expansion of the DNS namespace. > > I believe that the DNS is in the midst of significant evolutionary change > and that the security, stability and resilience of the DNS is under threat > in ways that were not the case during the first SSR. My interest in SSR2 is > in enhancing the security, stability and resiliency of the DNS is > practical, standards-based, data-driven approaches with clear mandates for > ICANN and the community that makes ICANN effective. > > Best regards, > > Mark > > Mark McFadden > > Principal Consultant, Internet Infrastructure and Governance InterConnect > Communications > > > what say you all? can i expand my "absolutely" vote from me to the rest > of you? > > thanks for considering this idea, > > mike > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > WI:(715) 598-4284 MN:(651) 647-6109 Toll Free:(800) 896-0907 Fax: > (866)-280-2356 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

June 16, 2017

Re: a Madison-based ICANN colleague of mine wonders if he could represent us at ICANN?

by Mike Horwath

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:03:44AM -0500, Steve Howard wrote: > <html> > <head> > <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> > </head> > <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> > The MICE board should make a decision on this issue, not the > consensus of the vocal members of a mailing list.<br> > <br> > <br> And the board works in a vacuum? Let's hope not. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

June 15, 2017