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Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Frank Bulk

I’m under NDA, but the February webinar was not restricted to their existing partners. In that webinar they indicated additional content was coming at the end of Q1. The NCTC sent a letter a few weeks ago that those who are part of NCTC’s program should have received. Qwilt is a MICE member and I look forward to receiving more content. =) Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 8:35 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Amazon was only serving Thursday Night Football out of the caches. Your traffic is consistent with the football season. Looks like a little bump there in April, which is curious. Our traffic is similar. You can see the NFL season up to Jan, then relatively little. It is possible that one CDN was launched in April. I should ask. Looks like there has been some amount of activity since around 4/1. [cid:image001.png@01D99E35.271ABFA0] Qwilt had a lot of promises about new content moving through the cache beginning in 1H2023 here. NCTC had a good joint webinar on Feb 7th, for anyone that is a member. I can't find a link back to it. They presented a summary of the performance from the 2022 NFL season, as well as plans for 2023. They didn't state it explicitly, but it didn't seem like they were getting any traction in hosting any content other than TNF from Amazon. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/7f2b178f/1ZuwJz42b0_NlW9cx7EkKA?u=http://arvig…> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:21 AM Larry Larsen <000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: I have not seen much usage. Here is my peak bandwidth usage on Qwilt for that month. All amounts are in Gbps. Oct-22 Nov-22 Dec-22 Jan-23 Feb-23 Mar-23 Apr-23 May-23 Amazon1 4.45 4.01 4.06 0.101 0.979 0.995 0.07 0.03 Amazon2 3.58 1.44 1.93 0.029 0.035 0.267 1.67 0.641 As you can see, I had some good usage from October – December but after that not much. April had a little usage. Thanks! Larry L. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Some people who received this message don't often get email from 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>. Learn why this is important<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/0f4a9629/Roa4CaCjskyieHEVX7BgDA?u=https://aka.…> WARNING!! This message originated from an External Source. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep claiming more content is coming. Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/7f2b178f/1ZuwJz42b0_NlW9cx7EkKA?u=http://arvig…> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night Football. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@USINTERNET.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so far. To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching market, they do not carry only Amazon content. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ryan Malek Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) ________________________________ Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services Ph. 641.420.7180 On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an “open” CDN: https://link.edgepilot.com/s/188fed83/kSt--kULDUiOMeuW1EQy_Q?u=https://www.…<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/9d57f0b0/LWiUplIDzEi9j-EIioO0LA?u=https://url-…> There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, ports, and time). Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET><mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content. We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://link.edgepilot.com/s/d1ff7d9b/nHsaPn7VEkOM1Y2TlRuquw?u=https://aws.… This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM<mailto:stevesavoy@WCTATEL.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Thanks Jeremy! I'll give it another try. Steve -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Steve, Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer(a)amazon.com<mailto:peering-amer@amazon.com> if you have not already. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 Steve From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies. The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Has anyone else gotten an email like this? On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... Thanks in advance, Anthony On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com<mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com>> wrote: Hi David and Anthony, I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative. To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team? If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. Nataliya Coll Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. 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June 14, 2023

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Justin Krejci

We don't get much other traffic through Qwilt currently. I logged into their portal and there was some other local broadcast TV type traffic served as well like NBC live and CBS live which is nice but not a particularly significant amount of data volume. It has been a bit underwhelming overall, aside from the football episodes they serve. I see "Disney Plus" is showing up in my Qwilt dashboard now with very small volume, so maybe there will be some sizable content from that service coming soon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Ben Wiechman <0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 8:34 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Amazon was only serving Thursday Night Football out of the caches. Your traffic is consistent with the football season. Looks like a little bump there in April, which is curious. Our traffic is similar. You can see the NFL season up to Jan, then relatively little. It is possible that one CDN was launched in April. I should ask. Looks like there has been some amount of activity since around 4/1. [image.png] Qwilt had a lot of promises about new content moving through the cache beginning in 1H2023 here. NCTC had a good joint webinar on Feb 7th, for anyone that is a member. I can't find a link back to it. They presented a summary of the performance from the 2022 NFL season, as well as plans for 2023. They didn't state it explicitly, but it didn't seem like they were getting any traction in hosting any content other than TNF from Amazon. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<http://arvig.com> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:21 AM Larry Larsen < 000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: I have not seen much usage. Here is my peak bandwidth usage on Qwilt for that month. All amounts are in Gbps. Oct-22 Nov-22 Dec-22 Jan-23 Feb-23 Mar-23 Apr-23 May-23 Amazon1 4.45 4.01 4.06 0.101 0.979 0.995 0.07 0.03 Amazon2 3.58 1.44 1.93 0.029 0.035 0.267 1.67 0.641 As you can see, I had some good usage from October – December but after that not much. April had a little usage. Thanks! Larry L. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Some people who received this message don't often get email from 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>. Learn why this is important<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=168666…> WARNING!! This message originated from an External Source. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep claiming more content is coming. Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com<http://arvig.com> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night Football. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@USINTERNET.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so far. To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching market, they do not carry only Amazon content. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ryan Malek Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) ________________________________ Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services Ph. 641.420.7180 On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an “open” CDN: https://www.qwilt.com/nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nct…<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, ports, and time). Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET><mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content. We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM<mailto:stevesavoy@WCTATEL.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Thanks Jeremy! I'll give it another try. Steve -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Steve, Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer(a)amazon.com<mailto:peering-amer@amazon.com> if you have not already. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 Steve From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies. The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Has anyone else gotten an email like this? On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... Thanks in advance, Anthony On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com<mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com>> wrote: Hi David and Anthony, I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative. To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team? If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. Nataliya Coll Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 Washington, DC 20005 USA www.telegeography.com<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> +1 (202) 741-0066 ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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June 13, 2023

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Ben Wiechman

Amazon was only serving Thursday Night Football out of the caches. Your traffic is consistent with the football season. Looks like a little bump there in April, which is curious. Our traffic is similar. You can see the NFL season up to Jan, then relatively little. It is possible that one CDN was launched in April. I should ask. Looks like there has been some amount of activity since around 4/1. [image: image.png] Qwilt had a lot of promises about new content moving through the cache beginning in 1H2023 here. NCTC had a good joint webinar on Feb 7th, for anyone that is a member. I can't find a link back to it. They presented a summary of the performance from the 2022 NFL season, as well as plans for 2023. They didn't state it explicitly, but it didn't seem like they were getting any traction in hosting any content other than TNF from Amazon. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:21 AM Larry Larsen < 000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > I have not seen much usage. Here is my peak bandwidth usage on Qwilt > for that month. All amounts are in Gbps. > > > > Oct-22 > > Nov-22 > > Dec-22 > > Jan-23 > > Feb-23 > > Mar-23 > > Apr-23 > > May-23 > > Amazon1 > > 4.45 > > 4.01 > > 4.06 > > 0.101 > > 0.979 > > 0.995 > > 0.07 > > 0.03 > > Amazon2 > > 3.58 > > 1.44 > > 1.93 > > 0.029 > > 0.035 > > 0.267 > > 1.67 > > 0.641 > > > > As you can see, I had some good usage from October – December but after > that not much. April had a little usage. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Larry L. > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Ben > Wiechman > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:12 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Some people who received this message don't often get email from > 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net. Learn why this is > important <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> > > WARNING!! This message originated from an *External Source*. Please use > proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or > responding to this email. > > Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep > claiming more content is coming. > > > Ben Wiechman > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering > Direct: 320.256.0184 > Cell: 320.247.3224 > ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com > > > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > > I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and > thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed > on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst > of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night > Football. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Justin > Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC > member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank > suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out > to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you > given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are > decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment > for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so > far. > > > > To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching > market, they do not carry only Amazon content. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Frank > Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to > Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Ryan > Malek > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is > this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) > > TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) > > > ------------------------------ > > Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC > Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services > > Ph. 641.420.7180 > > On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: > > If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and > IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an > “open” CDN: > https://www.qwilt.com/nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nct… > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, > ports, and time). > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Justin Krejci > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity > with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL > streaming content. > > > > We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) > and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix > Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot > of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue > adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Steve > Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Thanks Jeremy! > > I'll give it another try. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jeremy > Lumby > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > Steve, > > Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when > they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently > moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to > peering-amer(a)amazon.com if you have not already. > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S #216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > M: 612-355-7740 > D: 612-392-6814 > F: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. > > Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 > > Steve > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Dean > Bahls > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several > Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading > Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by > multiple companies. > > The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared > for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. > > Dean > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of > AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > Has anyone else gotten an email like this? > > On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk > about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... > > Thanks in advance, > Anthony > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com> > wrote: > Hi David and Anthony, > > I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been > contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in > preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night > Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. > The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about > their network planning initiative. > > To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is > asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network > point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit > provider(s), etc. > > Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to > respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right > person within your network operations team? > > If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me > know if you would like to set up a call with me. > > Thank you so much for your cooperation. > > > Nataliya Coll > Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia > TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. > One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 > Washington, DC 20005 USA > www.telegeography.com > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > +1 (202) 741-0066 > > ________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > ________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago > Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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If you > are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email > and destroy all copies of the original message. > > ________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

June 13, 2023

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Larry Larsen

I have not seen much usage. Here is my peak bandwidth usage on Qwilt for that month. All amounts are in Gbps. Oct-22 Nov-22 Dec-22 Jan-23 Feb-23 Mar-23 Apr-23 May-23 Amazon1 4.45 4.01 4.06 0.101 0.979 0.995 0.07 0.03 Amazon2 3.58 1.44 1.93 0.029 0.035 0.267 1.67 0.641 As you can see, I had some good usage from October – December but after that not much. April had a little usage. Thanks! Larry L. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Some people who received this message don't often get email from 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> WARNING!! This message originated from an External Source. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep claiming more content is coming. Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com<http://arvig.com> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night Football. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@USINTERNET.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so far. To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching market, they do not carry only Amazon content. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ryan Malek Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) ________________________________ Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services Ph. 641.420.7180 On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an “open” CDN: https://www.qwilt.com/nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nct…<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, ports, and time). Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET><mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content. We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM<mailto:stevesavoy@WCTATEL.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Thanks Jeremy! I'll give it another try. Steve -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Steve, Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer(a)amazon.com<mailto:peering-amer@amazon.com> if you have not already. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 Steve From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies. The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Has anyone else gotten an email like this? On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... Thanks in advance, Anthony On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com<mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com>> wrote: Hi David and Anthony, I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative. To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team? If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. Nataliya Coll Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 Washington, DC 20005 USA www.telegeography.com<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> +1 (202) 741-0066 ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 13, 2023

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Ben Wiechman

Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep claiming more content is coming. Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and > thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed > on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst > of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night > Football. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Justin > Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC > member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank > suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out > to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you > given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are > decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment > for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so > far. > > > To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching > market, they do not carry only Amazon content. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Frank > Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to > Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Ryan > Malek > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is > this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) > > TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) > > > ------------------------------ > > Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC > Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services > > Ph. 641.420.7180 > > On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: > > If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and > IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an > “open” CDN: > https://www.qwilt.com/nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nct… > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, > ports, and time). > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Justin Krejci > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity > with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL > streaming content. > > > > We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) > and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix > Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot > of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue > adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Steve > Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Thanks Jeremy! > > I'll give it another try. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jeremy > Lumby > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > Steve, > > Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when > they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently > moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to > peering-amer(a)amazon.com if you have not already. > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S #216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > M: 612-355-7740 > D: 612-392-6814 > F: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. > > Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 > > Steve > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Dean > Bahls > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several > Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading > Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by > multiple companies. > > The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared > for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. > > Dean > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of > AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > Has anyone else gotten an email like this? > > On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk > about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... > > Thanks in advance, > Anthony > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com> > wrote: > Hi David and Anthony, > > I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been > contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in > preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night > Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. > The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about > their network planning initiative. > > To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is > asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network > point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit > provider(s), etc. > > Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to > respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right > person within your network operations team? > > If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me > know if you would like to set up a call with me. > > Thank you so much for your cooperation. > > > Nataliya Coll > Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia > TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. > One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 > Washington, DC 20005 USA > www.telegeography.com > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > +1 (202) 741-0066 > > ________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > ________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago > Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email > and destroy all copies of the original message. > > ________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

June 13, 2023

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Justin Krejci

I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night Football. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so far. To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching market, they do not carry only Amazon content. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ryan Malek Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) ________________________________ Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services Ph. 641.420.7180 On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an “open” CDN: https://www.qwilt.com/nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nct…<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, ports, and time). Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET><mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content. We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM<mailto:stevesavoy@WCTATEL.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Thanks Jeremy! I'll give it another try. Steve -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Steve, Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer(a)amazon.com<mailto:peering-amer@amazon.com> if you have not already. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 Steve From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies. The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Has anyone else gotten an email like this? On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... Thanks in advance, Anthony On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com<mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com>> wrote: Hi David and Anthony, I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative. To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team? If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. 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June 12, 2023

Re: OT: MIDCO Noc #

by Jay Hanke

That's it! Thanks! On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 8:54 PM Justin Huffman <0000001965f32e47-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > > 888-705-4015 > > Thanks, > > Justin > Long Lines Broadband > ________________________________ > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)SOUTHFRONT.IO> > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2023 8:48:47 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] OT: MIDCO Noc # > > WARNING!! This message originated from an External Source. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. > > Does anyone have the 24x7 Midco NOC number? > > Jay > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 12, 2023

Re: OT: MIDCO Noc #

by Justin Huffman

888-705-4015 Thanks, Justin Long Lines Broadband ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)SOUTHFRONT.IO> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2023 8:48:47 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] OT: MIDCO Noc # WARNING!! This message originated from an External Source. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Does anyone have the 24x7 Midco NOC number? Jay

June 12, 2023

Re: OT: MIDCO Noc #

by Larry Larsen

What I found is 800-888-1300. Thank you. Larry L. * Please excuse any typos as it was sent from my Smartphone. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)SOUTHFRONT.IO> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2023 8:48:47 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] OT: MIDCO Noc # WARNING!! This message originated from an External Source. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Does anyone have the 24x7 Midco NOC number? Jay

June 12, 2023

OT: MIDCO Noc #

by Jay Hanke

Does anyone have the 24x7 Midco NOC number? Jay

June 12, 2023

Please welcome LOGIS to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: Local Government Information Systems Switch: MICE Core - 511 Ports: E 4/2 ASN: 398846 IPv4: 206.108.255.210/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:6:15FE::1/64 Peering Contact: mice(a)logis.org Route Servers: YES BFD: YES Welcome Aboard! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

June 11, 2023

Please welcome US Internet to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: U.S. Internet, Corp. Switch: MICE Core - Ridgeview Port: E 3/2/1 (adding a second port/router for diversity)(Tie fibers 7-8) ASN: 10242 IPv4: 206.108.255.209 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:2802::2 Peering Contact: support(a)usinternet.com Route Servers: YES Welcome Aboard Again! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

June 11, 2023

Please welcome South Front Networks to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: South Front Networks Switch: MICE Core - Ridgeview Port: E 3/3/1 and 3/4/1 in Portchannel 2 (200G)(Tie fibers 9 - 12) ASN: NA IPv4: This is a remote switch uplink move/upgrade IPv6: NA Peering Contact: peering(a)southfront.io Route Servers: NA BFD: NA Welcome Aboard Again! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

June 9, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

It turns out I made an error in the IRR prefix enforcement. So while we were enforcing the as-set requirement as intended, we were /not/ enforcing the route object requirement on rs2. Accordingly, I did /not/ make that enforcing on rs1 today as scheduled. Instead, I corrected it on rs2 and will wait another week before making it enforced on rs1. I have separately emailed everyone who has prefixes being filtered. -- Richard

June 7, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

Change as of yesterday: ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB,ALTDB*,*NTTCOM,LEVEL3,*BELL* -- Richard

June 7, 2023

Re: Call for Help: Web Design

by Richard Laager

The website has been updated to current bootstrap and jQuery. If you see any issues, first give it a Ctrl/Shift refresh to make sure you have the latest CSS. -- Richard

June 2, 2023

Please welcome Christensen Communications Company to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: Christensen Communications Company Switch: MN VoIP Port: E 43 ASN: 46494 IPv4: IPs remain the same. This is a switch move IPv6: Peering Contact: noc(a)chriscomco.net Route Servers: YES BFD: YES Welcome Aboard Again! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

June 2, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

May 31, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

On 2023-05-13 02:02, Richard Laager wrote: > > Phase 2: On Wednesday, May 31, starting around 10:00 AM US/Central, we > will upgrade route server 2. It will be fully enforcing. At that > point, the as-set requirement will be a hard requirement. The prefix > IRR requirement will still be a soft requirement, as route server 1 > will still not be enforcing. > This work is about to commence. > Phase 3: Tentatively, on Wednesday, June 7, starting around 10:00 AM > US/Central, we will configure route server 1 to be fully enforcing. At > that point, all IRR requirements will hard requirements. This date is > subject to change based on what we see filtered. > > *We ask that you do /not/ take down your route server BGP sessions for > these changes, as that will make it harder for us to know if things > are working. If you are going to do so (e.g. because your > organization's policies require it), then please let me know so I can > expect your session to be down.* > -- Richard

May 31, 2023

Re: MICE RS1 Route Server Cleanup

by Richard Laager

On 2023-05-24 09:47, Jay Hanke wrote: > We are going through a process to clean up the configurations on the > new RS1 server located in 511. The config is now automated and > IRR/RPKI filtering is in place. These are down with IPv4 and IPv6: AS13737 - INCX Global, LLC (Connection refused) AS30110 - Range (IPv4: Route limit exceeded) (IPv6: Connection reset by peer) AS31939 - GigaMonster (Connection refused) AS32029 - Nexstar Digital formerly Lakana (No route to host) These are down with IPv6 only: AS3789 AS8075 AS10879 AS10879 AS11852 AS13576 Socket: Connection refused AS14828 BGP Error: Required capability missing AS15011 AS15250 AS16616 AS20338 AS20412 BGP Error: Required capability missing AS21693 AS22402 AS23465 AS25111 AS26446 AS26725 AS27204 AS30032 AS31834 AS40160 AS40350 AS40413 Received: Connection rejected AS46131 AS46892 Socket: Connection refused AS53301 AS54502 AS54578 AS55009 Socket: Connection closed AS55043 AS55216 AS393639 AS394330 AS396939 -- Richard

May 31, 2023

Re: Route Server Session Cleanup

by Jay Hanke

We've had several members request adding sessions after the initial paperwork and the website doesn't always get updated to reflect the new status. The website members list will soon be generated from the ixp manager database rather than being manually updated. We are reaching out to networks with mismatches. On Sun, May 28, 2023, 11:35 AM David Farmer <farmer(a)umn.edu> wrote: > I’d note that GigaMonster is listed as not being a route server > participant on the MICE participant page. > > So, I think that is intentional on there part. > > Thanks > > On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 11:15 Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)southfront.io> wrote: > >> Following the migration to the route server last week we have a number >> of members with down or misconfigured BGP sessions. We have reached >> out to each member via email and will be disabling the route server >> sessions to RS1 of the following members on Thursday June 1st, 2023 if >> we do not get a response or resolution. >> >> >> AS13737 - INCX Global, LLC >> AS29762 - Emergent Networks >> AS30110 - Advanced Communications Technology >> AS31939 - GigaMonster >> AS32029 - Lakana, a division of Nexstar Broadcasting >> >> >> -- >> Jay Hanke, President >> South Front Networks >> jayhanke(a)southfront.io >> Phone 612-204-0000 >> https://southfront.io/path.html >> http://peeringsummit.com <--- Des Moines July 17-18, 2023 >> > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== >

May 28, 2023

Re: Route Server Session Cleanup

by David Farmer

I’d note that GigaMonster is listed as not being a route server participant on the MICE participant page. So, I think that is intentional on there part. Thanks On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 11:15 Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)southfront.io> wrote: > Following the migration to the route server last week we have a number > of members with down or misconfigured BGP sessions. We have reached > out to each member via email and will be disabling the route server > sessions to RS1 of the following members on Thursday June 1st, 2023 if > we do not get a response or resolution. > > > AS13737 - INCX Global, LLC > AS29762 - Emergent Networks > AS30110 - Advanced Communications Technology > AS31939 - GigaMonster > AS32029 - Lakana, a division of Nexstar Broadcasting > > > -- > Jay Hanke, President > South Front Networks > jayhanke(a)southfront.io > Phone 612-204-0000 > https://southfront.io/path.html > http://peeringsummit.com <--- Des Moines July 17-18, 2023 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

May 28, 2023

Route Server Session Cleanup

by Jay Hanke

Following the migration to the route server last week we have a number of members with down or misconfigured BGP sessions. We have reached out to each member via email and will be disabling the route server sessions to RS1 of the following members on Thursday June 1st, 2023 if we do not get a response or resolution. AS13737 - INCX Global, LLC AS29762 - Emergent Networks AS30110 - Advanced Communications Technology AS31939 - GigaMonster AS32029 - Lakana, a division of Nexstar Broadcasting -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000 https://southfront.io/path.html http://peeringsummit.com <--- Des Moines July 17-18, 2023

May 28, 2023

Limelight Networks Removed from MICE Route Server Config

by Jay Hanke

Limelight Networks is no longer utilizing the MICE route servers. -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000 https://southfront.io/path.html http://peeringsummit.com <--- Des Moines July 17-18, 2023

May 25, 2023

MICE RS1 Route Server Cleanup

by Jay Hanke

We are going through a process to clean up the configurations on the new RS1 server located in 511. The config is now automated and IRR/RPKI filtering is in place. We're currently working on the IPv4 sessions. There are several networks that have Route Server sessions that are currently not up. AS13737 - INCX Global, LLC AS22768 - Synergy Fiber AS22822 - Limelight Networks Global AS26794 - Dakota Carrier Network (206.108.255.60 Route Limit Exceeded) AS29762 - Emergent Networks AS30110 - Advanced Communications Technology (Route Limit Exceeded) AS31939 - GigaMonster AS32029 - Lakana AS32097 - Wholesale Internet, Inc. AS32867 - Long Lines Communications AS397324 - Celerity Networks Max Prefixes (used for Route Limit) are pulled from Peeringdb.com. Networks can check their status on the new looking glass (Thanks Richard!): https://ixpmgr.micemn.net/lg/rs1-ipv4 If your network is no longer utilizing the route servers please email peering(a)micemn.net so we can update your configuration. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000 https://southfront.io/path.html http://peeringsummit.com <--- Des Moines July 17-18, 2023

May 24, 2023

Land O Lakes left MICE

by Jay Hanke

Land O Lakes has disconnected from MICE. IXP Manager has been updated. -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000 https://southfront.io/path.html http://peeringsummit.com <--- Des Moines July 17-18, 2023

May 24, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

On 2023-05-13 01:30, Richard Laager wrote: > I am currently allowing the following sources across the board: > ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB,NTTCOM,LEVEL3 Change as of today: ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB,*ALTDB,*NTTCOM,LEVEL3 -- Richard

May 23, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

I added some bits about IXP Manager and IRR to the website: https://micemn.net/technical.html I also updated the communities bit to reflect what the new route servers will support. Suggestions welcome. -- Richard

May 23, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

This is the current cutover plan: Phase 1: On Tuesday, May 23, starting around 10:00 AM US/Central, we will upgrade route server 1. It will enforce the IRR as-set requirement for transit ASes, but will NOT enforce the IRR prefix requirement. Since route server 2 will still exist, even the as-set requirement is only a soft requirement. Phase 2: On Wednesday, May 31, starting around 10:00 AM US/Central, we will upgrade route server 2. It will be fully enforcing. At that point, the as-set requirement will be a hard requirement. The prefix IRR requirement will still be a soft requirement, as route server 1 will still not be enforcing. Phase 3: Tentatively, on Wednesday, June 7, starting around 10:00 AM US/Central, we will configure route server 1 to be fully enforcing. At that point, all IRR requirements will hard requirements. This date is subject to change based on what we see filtered. *We ask that you do /not/ take down your route server BGP sessions for these changes, as that will make it harder for us to know if things are working. If you are going to do so (e.g. because your organization's policies require it), then please let me know so I can expect your session to be down.* -- Richard

May 13, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

I am currently allowing the following sources across the board: ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB,NTTCOM,LEVEL3 On 2023-05-12 11:14, Michael Hare wrote: > It also handles the $REGISTRY::$THING model. Thanks for the tip! I switched from bgpq3 to bgpq4. IXP Manager doesn't support bgpq4, but the only difference was one flag. I used a wrapper script for now, and filed a feature request with IXP Manager: https://github.com/inex/IXP-Manager/issues/844 Arnold Nipper, via the IXP Manager mailing list, gave me an example of how to get this information out of PeeringDB. With that, I was able to write a script to interact with the IXP Manager database. It pulls the current settings from IXP Manager, pulls from PeeringDB, reports any changes, updates IXP Manager, and triggers the ASN & prefix updates in IXP Manager. I have that set to run hourly. The route servers will update their configuration hourly, offset by 30 minutes. That is, route server 1 will update at xx:08 and route server 2 will update at xx:38. -- Richard

May 13, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Michael Hare

FWIW, AS3128 uses some homegrown stuff to wrap bgpq4, bgpq4 provides an ability to deal with concern #3 below for recursion [if you choose to accept the caveats]. See https://github.com/bgp/bgpq4#notes-on-sources. It also handles the $REGISTRY::$THING model. This may just be cool info for the time being, but you may find it interesting. For AS3128 peers I've had to provide a way to list sources per peer; look up AS-SUPRANET in RIPE vs ARIN. The one I want is in ARIN so the ordering matters. Yes, I know AS-$number is a better idea and AS-UWSYSNET is also guilty as charged. -Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of > Richard Laager > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:27 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers > > On 2023-05-11 10:30, Chris Wopat wrote: > > Can't folks just specify which IRR in their IRR entry if desired? Ie > > > > ARIN::AS1234 > > 1. bgpq3 does not accept that format, at least in my limited testing. > > 2. IXP Manager would likely need changes to support that, specifically > not passing the argument for sources to bgpq3 if a disambiguation was > provided. > > 3. I think the more important fundamental issue is that a transit AS's > as-set might need to reference customer ASes/as-sets that are in other > registries. > > > FWIW we only use RADB but are fine if the common IRR's (but not legacy > > arin) are used. > > > > Also is there any reason at all to use non-ARIN teritory IRR data? Do > > any MICE participants have anything in RIPE for example? > > See #3 above. > > For example, someone like Hurricane Electric can't ask all of their > customers worldwide to be in ARIN. Given the way this has historically > developed, I don't think it's even reasonable to expect that only-RIR > registries are used. > > -- > Richard

May 12, 2023

Please welcome ImOn Communications to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: ImOn Communications Switch: MN VoIP Port: Adding E40, E41 and E42 to Po5 for a total of 7x10G ASN: 393238 IPv4: This is a port addition. All IP info remains the same. IPv6: Peering Contact: imonadmins(a)imon.net Route Servers: Yes BFD: Yes Welcome Aboard Again! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

May 12, 2023

Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Miles McCredie

I did a spot check of a few ASNs and it looks to me as though the following ASNs have route(6) objects that only exist in NTTCOM: 2906, 20940 and 33438. (Stopped looking after I found these three.) My recommendation is to include NTTCOM. The cruft in the database should be suppressed according to https://www.gin.ntt.net/support-center/policies-procedures/routing-registry…. [http://images.midcocomm.com/ES_MidcoLogo.png] Miles McCredie Principal Network Engineer II-Core IP Office: 6052755192 Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com Midco.com From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers On 2023-05-11 05:58, Miles McCredie wrote: I think a global list of sources would be easier to maintain and document. Excellent point. Is NTTCOM no longer trusted? The available sources are here: https://www.radb.net/query/?advanced_query=1 That does include NTTCOM, so we could use it. But if nobody is speaking up in favor of it, I'm not currently planning on it. The list I gave was the union of all choices that exist in IXP Manager by default, minus ARIN-NONAUTH and RIPE-NONAUTH. -- Richard ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2023

Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

On 2023-05-11 05:58, Miles McCredie wrote: > > I think a global list of sources would be easier to maintain and document. > Excellent point. > Is NTTCOM no longer trusted? > The available sources are here: https://www.radb.net/query/?advanced_query=1 That does include NTTCOM, so we could use it. But if nobody is speaking up in favor of it, I'm not currently planning on it. The list I gave was the union of all choices that exist in IXP Manager by default, minus ARIN-NONAUTH and RIPE-NONAUTH. -- Richard

May 12, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Jay Hanke

> For example, someone like Hurricane Electric can't ask all of their > customers worldwide to be in ARIN. Given the way this has historically > developed, I don't think it's even reasonable to expect that only-RIR > registries are used. The provided list is the list of IRR (+ IRR combinations) that shows up in the pulldown menu in the admin interface of IXP Manager. It points to the where the AS-SET record is located for the directly attached member. So when you put the information in you select the IRR and type in (or pull) the AS-SET record. bgpq3/4 will then pull all the prefixes and generate a filter list from the union of all the prefixes listed. The AS_set name in the DB::NAME format will just need to be reformatted when entered into IXP Manager web interface.

May 11, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

On 2023-05-11 10:30, Chris Wopat wrote: > Can't folks just specify which IRR in their IRR entry if desired? Ie > > ARIN::AS1234 1. bgpq3 does not accept that format, at least in my limited testing. 2. IXP Manager would likely need changes to support that, specifically not passing the argument for sources to bgpq3 if a disambiguation was provided. 3. I think the more important fundamental issue is that a transit AS's as-set might need to reference customer ASes/as-sets that are in other registries. > FWIW we only use RADB but are fine if the common IRR's (but not legacy > arin) are used. > > Also is there any reason at all to use non-ARIN teritory IRR data? Do > any MICE participants have anything in RIPE for example? See #3 above. For example, someone like Hurricane Electric can't ask all of their customers worldwide to be in ARIN. Given the way this has historically developed, I don't think it's even reasonable to expect that only-RIR registries are used. -- Richard

May 11, 2023

Re: [External] Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Tom Krenn

Would it be safe to assume that squatting wouldn't happen in the RIR's authenticated IRRs? And that if multiple entries exist among them, that keeping them in sync or free of bad data would be on the individual participant? If so placing the authenticated RIRs above everything else seems a pretty safe bet. Order among them wouldn't really matter. Personally given that I would love to see us grab the sets from the aut-num object for the participants ASN. Seems like ignoring the routing policy in the aut-num object in favor of PeeringDB or a manual process is only half using the IRR system. (That said I understand that bgpq3 doesn't use the aut-num object.) Tom Krenn Network Architect Enterprise Architecture - Information Technology -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Chris Wopat Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 10:30 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [External] Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers CAUTION: This email was sent from outside of Hennepin County. Unless you recognize the sender and know the content, do not click links or open attachments. Can't folks just specify which IRR in their IRR entry if desired? Ie ARIN::AS1234 FWIW we only use RADB but are fine if the common IRR's (but not legacy arin) are used. Also is there any reason at all to use non-ARIN teritory IRR data? Do any MICE participants have anything in RIPE for example? --Chris On 5/11/23 10:01, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > External > > I do not see a need for per participant IRR, I would rather that they > all just default to your example below. > > *From:*MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of > *Richard Laager > *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:58 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route > Servers > > On 2023-05-09 14:01, August Yang wrote: > > Should I reorder RADB,ARIN to be ARIN,RADB? > > Definitely. We have objects registered in all databases feasible to > prevent AS-SET squatting, which has occurred in the past, while only > RADB has the actual members listed. Turns out correct prefix list > can be generated using bgpq4 regardless of the order, so it's better > to prioritize authenticated sources. > > In thinking about this some more... Is IXP Manager's behavior of > per-participant IRR sources actually useful? In other words, what's > wrong with just setting everyone to: > ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB,LEVEL3? > > -- > > Richard > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists > .iphouse.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwa%3FSUBED1%3DMICE-DISCUSS%26A%3D1&data=05%7C > 01%7Ctom.krenn%40HENNEPIN.US%7C2f7c1b8d95af410486a008db5234a38e%7C8aef > df9f878046bf8fb74c924653a8be%7C0%7C0%7C638194158303151171%7CUnknown%7C > TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVC > I6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hdjzW0mk8Kd2pgvauE5I0544Xhlox3CaSJ%2FaF > NQAWWg%3D&reserved=0 > <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist > s.iphouse.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwa%3FSUBED1%3DMICE-DISCUSS%26A%3D1&data=05%7 > C01%7Ctom.krenn%40HENNEPIN.US%7C2f7c1b8d95af410486a008db5234a38e%7C8ae > fdf9f878046bf8fb74c924653a8be%7C0%7C0%7C638194158303151171%7CUnknown%7 > CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hdjzW0mk8Kd2pgvauE5I0544Xhlox3CaSJ%2Fa > FNQAWWg%3D&reserved=0> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists > .iphouse.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwa%3FSUBED1%3DMICE-DISCUSS%26A%3D1&data=05%7C > 01%7Ctom.krenn%40HENNEPIN.US%7C2f7c1b8d95af410486a008db5234a38e%7C8aef > df9f878046bf8fb74c924653a8be%7C0%7C0%7C638194158303151171%7CUnknown%7C > TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVC > I6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hdjzW0mk8Kd2pgvauE5I0544Xhlox3CaSJ%2FaF > NQAWWg%3D&reserved=0 > <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist > s.iphouse.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwa%3FSUBED1%3DMICE-DISCUSS%26A%3D1&data=05%7 > C01%7Ctom.krenn%40HENNEPIN.US%7C2f7c1b8d95af410486a008db5234a38e%7C8ae > fdf9f878046bf8fb74c924653a8be%7C0%7C0%7C638194158303151171%7CUnknown%7 > CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hdjzW0mk8Kd2pgvauE5I0544Xhlox3CaSJ%2Fa > FNQAWWg%3D&reserved=0> > -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965 Disclaimer: If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please immediately notify the sender of the transmission error and then promptly permanently delete this message from your computer system.

May 11, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Jay Hanke

> Also is there any reason at all to use non-ARIN teritory IRR data? Do > any MICE participants have anything in RIPE for example? There are several outside the ARIN region and likely more in the future.

May 11, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Chris Wopat

Can't folks just specify which IRR in their IRR entry if desired? Ie ARIN::AS1234 FWIW we only use RADB but are fine if the common IRR's (but not legacy arin) are used. Also is there any reason at all to use non-ARIN teritory IRR data? Do any MICE participants have anything in RIPE for example? --Chris On 5/11/23 10:01, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > External > > I do not see a need for per participant IRR, I would rather that they > all just default to your example below. > > *From:*MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of > *Richard Laager > *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:58 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers > > On 2023-05-09 14:01, August Yang wrote: > > Should I reorder RADB,ARIN to be ARIN,RADB? > > Definitely. We have objects registered in all databases feasible to > prevent AS-SET squatting, which has occurred in the past, while only > RADB has the actual members listed. Turns out correct prefix list > can be generated using bgpq4 regardless of the order, so it's better > to prioritize authenticated sources. > > In thinking about this some more... Is IXP Manager's behavior of > per-participant IRR sources actually useful? In other words, what's > wrong with just setting everyone to: > ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB,LEVEL3? > > -- > > Richard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965

May 11, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Jeremy Lumby

I do not see a need for per participant IRR, I would rather that they all just default to your example below. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:58 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers On 2023-05-09 14:01, August Yang wrote: Should I reorder RADB,ARIN to be ARIN,RADB? Definitely. We have objects registered in all databases feasible to prevent AS-SET squatting, which has occurred in the past, while only RADB has the actual members listed. Turns out correct prefix list can be generated using bgpq4 regardless of the order, so it's better to prioritize authenticated sources. In thinking about this some more... Is IXP Manager's behavior of per-participant IRR sources actually useful? In other words, what's wrong with just setting everyone to: ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB,LEVEL3? -- Richard _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1

May 11, 2023

Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Miles McCredie

I think a global list of sources would be easier to maintain and document. Is NTTCOM no longer trusted? I took a look at the AS11232 customer cone and there are a few objects in NTTCOM but it looked as though all of them also appear in another database so I don't have strong feelings that NTTCOM needs to be included. [http://images.midcocomm.com/ES_MidcoLogo.png] Miles McCredie Principal Network Engineer II-Core IP Office: 6052755192 Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com Midco.com From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:58 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MIDCO. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. On 2023-05-09 14:01, August Yang wrote: Should I reorder RADB,ARIN to be ARIN,RADB? Definitely. We have objects registered in all databases feasible to prevent AS-SET squatting, which has occurred in the past, while only RADB has the actual members listed. Turns out correct prefix list can be generated using bgpq4 regardless of the order, so it's better to prioritize authenticated sources. In thinking about this some more... Is IXP Manager's behavior of per-participant IRR sources actually useful? In other words, what's wrong with just setting everyone to: ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB,LEVEL3? -- Richard ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 11, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

On 2023-05-09 14:01, August Yang wrote: > >> Should I reorder RADB,ARIN to be ARIN,RADB? > Definitely. We have objects registered in all databases feasible to > prevent AS-SET squatting, which has occurred in the past, while only > RADB has the actual members listed. Turns out correct prefix list can > be generated using bgpq4 regardless of the order, so it's better to > prioritize authenticated sources. In thinking about this some more... Is IXP Manager's behavior of per-participant IRR sources actually useful? In other words, what's wrong with just setting everyone to: ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB,LEVEL3? -- Richard

May 11, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

On 2023-05-09 14:16, Jonathan Stewart wrote: > In my (limited) experience, the filter generator makes a prefix-list > using objects from all the approved IRRs that match the contents of the > AS-SET. > > In my case, that means route(6) objects from ARIN and RADB are combined > to make a prefix-list that's bigger than just ARIN or RADB-sourced objects. > > The order has not been relevant, nor specified. FWIW, MICE is going to use IXP Manager's direct bird templating, not arouteserver (like MBIX uses), so the way this works may be slightly different. -- Richard

May 10, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Jonathan Stewart

On Tue, 2023-05-09 1:20 p.m., Richard Laager wrote: > I am specifically interested in feedback on this point. But please, > only real-world scenarios, no speculation ("someone might ..."). > > Background: > > * This setting is per-participant. > * Order is important. When looking for a given IRR object, the first > source that includes that object will be used. > In my (limited) experience, the filter generator makes a prefix-list using objects from all the approved IRRs that match the contents of the AS-SET. In my case, that means route(6) objects from ARIN and RADB are combined to make a prefix-list that's bigger than just ARIN or RADB-sourced objects. The order has not been relevant, nor specified. No need for NONAUTH sources, and ARIN has completely retired theirs. Cheers, Jonathan Jonathan Stewart Network Engineer LES.NET - AS18451 Desk: 1-204-666-6191 Mobile: 1-204-990-2120 130 Portage Avenue E Winnipeg, MB R3C 0A1 CANADA > * I think we want to prefer RIR-authenticated sources over others. > > Questions: > > 1. Should I reorder RADB,ARIN to be ARIN,RADB and similar for > RADB,RIPE and RADB,APNIC,ARIN? Tentative: Yes. > 2. Should I drop RIPE-NONAUTH choices? Tentative: If nobody is using > it by the end of this, I'll just remove it. > 3. Does anyone know if AFRINIC, APNIC, and LACNIC are authenticated? > 4. Does anyone know if people care about LEVEL3's IRR? Tentative: If > nobody is using it by the end of this, I'll just remove it. > 5. How do I set the source per participant? I /think/ what we want is > the following, for each participant: > > 1. I use RADB's web interface to view the specified as-set. If > the "source" of that object is an RIR registry, e.g. ARIN, I > set the source in IXP Manager to that RIR source. If the > source is RADB, I set the source to $RIR,RADB where $RIR is > the RIR that issued the participant's ASN. For example, if > someone is in the ARIN region, ARIN. If someone is in the RIPE > region, RIPE. The idea is to make it easy for them to move to > the RIR registry in the future. > 2. I manually trigger the AS and prefix update and make sure I > get results. > 3. If the source is just $RIR, I then change this to $RIR,RADB. I > manually trigger the AS and prefix update. If that second > update changed nothing, I remove RADB. If that update did > change something, then I eyeball it and make a decision. I > would be looking to detect the scenario where e.g. the as-set > is in the ARIN region but references customer ASes/as-sets > that are in RADB; in such a case, I need to allow RADB. In > contrast, if the records in RADB appear to be outdated and > someone has moved to ARIN, I would want to remove RADB. > > If that becomes too tedious, a fallback option is to set everyone > to something like ARIN,RIPE,RADB or > ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB. (The order of the RIRs is > negotiable. I don't really know much about non-ARIN IRR.) > > > On 5/9/23 11:25, Jay Hanke wrote: >> Here are the current IRR sources. Please note ARIN-NONAUTH is not >> included. >> >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RIPE >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RIPE,RIPE-NONAUTH >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> LACNIC >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> AFRINIC >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> APNIC >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> LEVEL3 >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> ARIN >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB,ARIN >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> ALTDB >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB,RIPE >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB,APNIC,ARIN >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RIPE,ARIN >> >> On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 11:14 AM August Yang >> <0000001654c01f33-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: >> >> Could you please clarify which IRR source will be included for >> filter generation? We currently rely on RADb instead of ARIN for >> our IRR records, and it would be helpful to confirm if this will >> be used with the new route servers. >> > -- > Richard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >

May 9, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by August Yang

> Should I reorder RADB,ARIN to be ARIN,RADB? Definitely. We have objects registered in all databases feasible to prevent AS-SET squatting, which has occurred in the past, while only RADB has the actual members listed. Turns out correct prefix list can be generated using bgpq4 regardless of the order, so it's better to prioritize authenticated sources. > Should I drop RIPE-NONAUTH choices? Should I drop LEVEL3? Yes and no. RIPE-NONAUTH is essentially a dead database with no editing or new objects possible while LEVEL3 is actively used and there's no advantage in excluding it. > Does anyone know if AFRINIC, APNIC, and LACNIC are authenticated? At this point all RIR databases are authenticated. On 2023-05-09 2:20 p.m., Richard Laager wrote: > I am specifically interested in feedback on this point. But please, > only real-world scenarios, no speculation ("someone might ..."). > > Background: > > * This setting is per-participant. > * Order is important. When looking for a given IRR object, the first > source that includes that object will be used. > * I think we want to prefer RIR-authenticated sources over others. > > Questions: > > 1. Should I reorder RADB,ARIN to be ARIN,RADB and similar for > RADB,RIPE and RADB,APNIC,ARIN? Tentative: Yes. > 2. Should I drop RIPE-NONAUTH choices? Tentative: If nobody is using > it by the end of this, I'll just remove it. > 3. Does anyone know if AFRINIC, APNIC, and LACNIC are authenticated? > 4. Does anyone know if people care about LEVEL3's IRR? Tentative: If > nobody is using it by the end of this, I'll just remove it. > 5. How do I set the source per participant? I /think/ what we want is > the following, for each participant: > > 1. I use RADB's web interface to view the specified as-set. If > the "source" of that object is an RIR registry, e.g. ARIN, I > set the source in IXP Manager to that RIR source. If the > source is RADB, I set the source to $RIR,RADB where $RIR is > the RIR that issued the participant's ASN. For example, if > someone is in the ARIN region, ARIN. If someone is in the RIPE > region, RIPE. The idea is to make it easy for them to move to > the RIR registry in the future. > 2. I manually trigger the AS and prefix update and make sure I > get results. > 3. If the source is just $RIR, I then change this to $RIR,RADB. I > manually trigger the AS and prefix update. If that second > update changed nothing, I remove RADB. If that update did > change something, then I eyeball it and make a decision. I > would be looking to detect the scenario where e.g. the as-set > is in the ARIN region but references customer ASes/as-sets > that are in RADB; in such a case, I need to allow RADB. In > contrast, if the records in RADB appear to be outdated and > someone has moved to ARIN, I would want to remove RADB. > > If that becomes too tedious, a fallback option is to set everyone > to something like ARIN,RIPE,RADB or > ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB. (The order of the RIRs is > negotiable. I don't really know much about non-ARIN IRR.) > > > On 5/9/23 11:25, Jay Hanke wrote: >> Here are the current IRR sources. Please note ARIN-NONAUTH is not >> included. >> >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RIPE >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RIPE,RIPE-NONAUTH >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> LACNIC >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> AFRINIC >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> APNIC >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> LEVEL3 >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> ARIN >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB,ARIN >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> ALTDB >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB,RIPE >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB,APNIC,ARIN >> whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RIPE,ARIN >> >> On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 11:14 AM August Yang >> <0000001654c01f33-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: >> >> Could you please clarify which IRR source will be included for >> filter generation? We currently rely on RADb instead of ARIN for >> our IRR records, and it would be helpful to confirm if this will >> be used with the new route servers. >> > -- > Richard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > -- Best regards August Yang

May 9, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

I am specifically interested in feedback on this point. But please, only real-world scenarios, no speculation ("someone might ..."). Background: * This setting is per-participant. * Order is important. When looking for a given IRR object, the first source that includes that object will be used. * I think we want to prefer RIR-authenticated sources over others. Questions: 1. Should I reorder RADB,ARIN to be ARIN,RADB and similar for RADB,RIPE and RADB,APNIC,ARIN? Tentative: Yes. 2. Should I drop RIPE-NONAUTH choices? Tentative: If nobody is using it by the end of this, I'll just remove it. 3. Does anyone know if AFRINIC, APNIC, and LACNIC are authenticated? 4. Does anyone know if people care about LEVEL3's IRR? Tentative: If nobody is using it by the end of this, I'll just remove it. 5. How do I set the source per participant? I /think/ what we want is the following, for each participant: 1. I use RADB's web interface to view the specified as-set. If the "source" of that object is an RIR registry, e.g. ARIN, I set the source in IXP Manager to that RIR source. If the source is RADB, I set the source to $RIR,RADB where $RIR is the RIR that issued the participant's ASN. For example, if someone is in the ARIN region, ARIN. If someone is in the RIPE region, RIPE. The idea is to make it easy for them to move to the RIR registry in the future. 2. I manually trigger the AS and prefix update and make sure I get results. 3. If the source is just $RIR, I then change this to $RIR,RADB. I manually trigger the AS and prefix update. If that second update changed nothing, I remove RADB. If that update did change something, then I eyeball it and make a decision. I would be looking to detect the scenario where e.g. the as-set is in the ARIN region but references customer ASes/as-sets that are in RADB; in such a case, I need to allow RADB. In contrast, if the records in RADB appear to be outdated and someone has moved to ARIN, I would want to remove RADB. If that becomes too tedious, a fallback option is to set everyone to something like ARIN,RIPE,RADB or ARIN,RIPE,LACNIC,APNIC,AFRINIC,RADB. (The order of the RIRs is negotiable. I don't really know much about non-ARIN IRR.) On 5/9/23 11:25, Jay Hanke wrote: > Here are the current IRR sources. Please note ARIN-NONAUTH is not > included. > > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RIPE > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RIPE,RIPE-NONAUTH > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> LACNIC > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> AFRINIC > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> APNIC > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> LEVEL3 > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> ARIN > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB,ARIN > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> ALTDB > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB,RIPE > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RADB,APNIC,ARIN > whois.radb.net <http://whois.radb.net> RIPE,ARIN > > On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 11:14 AM August Yang > <0000001654c01f33-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > > Could you please clarify which IRR source will be included for > filter generation? We currently rely on RADb instead of ARIN for > our IRR records, and it would be helpful to confirm if this will > be used with the new route servers. > -- Richard

May 9, 2023

Re: [External] [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

On 5/9/23 12:54, Tom Krenn wrote: > > Will the filters be built off our aut-num object or just the as-set > listed on PeeringDB? > I /think/ they just use the as-set. Last night, I tested the underlying command against someone who does not have an aut-num, but does have route objects referencing their AS. Their prefixes were found. The underlying command is bgpq3. So if you really want to get low level, install that somewhere and run bgpq3 AS_SET_NAME and bgpq3 -6 AS_SET_NAME. IXP Manager actually runs that with more flags, but they aren't particular relevant (other than minimum prefix length). -- Richard

May 9, 2023

Re: [External] [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Jay Hanke

This is what we are seeing in IXP Manager. Looks like your config got pulled from PeeringDB. Network Information =================== Name : HENNEPIN-COUNTY Primary ASN : 40382 Also Known As : Website : https://www.hennepin.us/ IRR AS-SET : AS40382:AS-MEMBERS Network Type : Government Approx IPv6 Prefixes : 100 Approx IPv4 Prefixes : 100 Looking Glass : Route Server : Created at : 2021-12-21T16:47:05Z Updated at : 2022-08-29T22:55:11Z PrefixFirst seenLast seen 137.70.0.0/16 <https://ixpmgr.micemn.net/index.php#ixpm-prefix-whois-43ffe576808e1d023202a…> 2023-03-27 00:08:07 2023-05-09 12:55:43 204.73.55.0/24 <https://ixpmgr.micemn.net/index.php#ixpm-prefix-whois-74fb2430d7d8ea4b1f390…> 2023-03-27 00:08:07 2023-05-09 12:55:43 50.217.178.0/24 <https://ixpmgr.micemn.net/index.php#ixpm-prefix-whois-4add3bae394355548a2e8…> 2023-03-27 00:08:07 2023-05-09 12:55:43 PrefixFirst seenLast seen 2606:e540::/32 <https://ixpmgr.micemn.net/index.php#ixpm-prefix-whois-62695e9e020d26faf9540…> 2023-03-27 00:08:07 2023-05-09 12:55:43 2606:e540::/36 <https://ixpmgr.micemn.net/index.php#ixpm-prefix-whois-5ed6e7f9e0a5db531a80d…> 2023-03-27 00:08:07 2023-05-09 12:55:43 On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:54 PM Tom Krenn < 00000015253bd7fc-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > Will the filters be built off our aut-num object or just the as-set listed > on PeeringDB? > > > > Tom Krenn > > Network Architect > > Enterprise Architecture - Information Technology > > [image: Hennepin County logo] > > > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Richard > Laager > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 9, 2023 5:20 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* [External] [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route > Servers > > > > *CAUTION:* This email was sent from outside of Hennepin County. Unless > you recognize the sender and know the content, do not click links or open > attachments. > > [I plan to send this to MICE-ANNOUNCE too, but I want to see if anyone has > corrections.] > > MICE will soon be deploying new route servers which will require IRR > (Internet Routing Registry) records, as is a best practice at IXPs. > > *What* > > - You MUST have an as-set object listing your AS and your downstream > ASes (if any). > > > - You MUST either list that as-set in PeeringDB or email the name of > your as-set to me (off-list to rlaager(a)wiktel.com please). > > > - A route/route6 object MUST exist for each prefix you announce to the > route servers (whether originated by you or transited through you) and it > must list an Origin AS that is in your as-set. > > *When* > > - *If you are a transit AS (i.e. have ASes behind you) and don't have > an as-set object, fix this now.* Without an as-set object, your > downstream ASes announcements will be blocked (filtered) immediately when > the *first* new route server is cut in. (Granted, they will still > work through the second route server until it is upgraded.) Figure you have > 1-2 weeks at most. > - Enforcement of the route/route6 objects (for both transit and > non-transit ASes) will come later, but not a lot later. So please, start on > this now. > > *Where* > > If you are not sure *where* to create IRR records, use ARIN (assuming you > are in the ARIN region). > > *How (with ARIN)* > > 1. Login to ARIN Online. (Go to arin.net and click Login in the top > right.) > 2. On the left side, expand "Routing Security" and click "IRR". > 3. Click "as-set" at the top. > 4. Click "Create an Object". > 5. Fill in the fields: > The "AS Set Name" is what you will list in PeeringDB (or email to me). > "Description" is unparsed, but they suggest the location and have a > button to "Copy the Address from My Org ID". > "Members" is where you list your ASN and downstream ASes (if any). > 6. Click "Review". Once ready, click "Submit". > 7. Click "route/route6" at the top. > 8. Click "Create an Object". > 9. Fill in the fields: > "Prefix" is the prefix, e.g. 192.0.2.0/24. > "Origin" is your ASN. > 10. Click "Review". Once ready, click "Submit". > 11. Repeat to create additional route objects until all of your > announcements are covered. Don't forget IPv6! > > *Examples* > > Here is my as-set: https://www.radb.net/query?keywords=AS-WIKTEL > > Here is one example route: > https://www.radb.net/query?keywords=69.89.192.0%2F20 > > (I created the AS33362 one. The AS19905 one is because another AS can > originate this route for DDoS scrubbing reasons.) > > -- > > Richard > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > *Disclaimer:* If you are not the intended recipient of this message, > please immediately notify the sender of the transmission error and then > promptly permanently delete this message from your computer system. > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

May 9, 2023

Re: [External] [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Tom Krenn

Will the filters be built off our aut-num object or just the as-set listed on PeeringDB? Tom Krenn Network Architect Enterprise Architecture - Information Technology [Hennepin County logo] From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 5:20 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [External] [MICE-DISCUSS] IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers CAUTION: This email was sent from outside of Hennepin County. Unless you recognize the sender and know the content, do not click links or open attachments. [I plan to send this to MICE-ANNOUNCE too, but I want to see if anyone has corrections.] MICE will soon be deploying new route servers which will require IRR (Internet Routing Registry) records, as is a best practice at IXPs. What * You MUST have an as-set object listing your AS and your downstream ASes (if any). * You MUST either list that as-set in PeeringDB or email the name of your as-set to me (off-list to rlaager(a)wiktel.com<mailto:rlaager@wiktel.com> please). * A route/route6 object MUST exist for each prefix you announce to the route servers (whether originated by you or transited through you) and it must list an Origin AS that is in your as-set. When * If you are a transit AS (i.e. have ASes behind you) and don't have an as-set object, fix this now. Without an as-set object, your downstream ASes announcements will be blocked (filtered) immediately when the first new route server is cut in. (Granted, they will still work through the second route server until it is upgraded.) Figure you have 1-2 weeks at most. * Enforcement of the route/route6 objects (for both transit and non-transit ASes) will come later, but not a lot later. So please, start on this now. Where If you are not sure where to create IRR records, use ARIN (assuming you are in the ARIN region). How (with ARIN) 1. Login to ARIN Online. (Go to arin.net and click Login in the top right.) 2. On the left side, expand "Routing Security" and click "IRR". 3. Click "as-set" at the top. 4. Click "Create an Object". 5. Fill in the fields: The "AS Set Name" is what you will list in PeeringDB (or email to me). "Description" is unparsed, but they suggest the location and have a button to "Copy the Address from My Org ID". "Members" is where you list your ASN and downstream ASes (if any). 6. Click "Review". Once ready, click "Submit". 7. Click "route/route6" at the top. 8. Click "Create an Object". 9. Fill in the fields: "Prefix" is the prefix, e.g. 192.0.2.0/24. "Origin" is your ASN. 10. Click "Review". Once ready, click "Submit". 11. Repeat to create additional route objects until all of your announcements are covered. Don't forget IPv6! Examples Here is my as-set: https://www.radb.net/query?keywords=AS-WIKTEL Here is one example route: https://www.radb.net/query?keywords=69.89.192.0%2F20 (I created the AS33362 one. The AS19905 one is because another AS can originate this route for DDoS scrubbing reasons.) -- Richard ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 Disclaimer: If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please immediately notify the sender of the transmission error and then promptly permanently delete this message from your computer system.

May 9, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Jay Hanke

Here are the current IRR sources. Please note ARIN-NONAUTH is not included. whois.radb.net RIPE whois.radb.net RIPE,RIPE-NONAUTH whois.radb.net RADB whois.radb.net LACNIC whois.radb.net AFRINIC whois.radb.net APNIC whois.radb.net LEVEL3 whois.radb.net ARIN whois.radb.net RADB,ARIN whois.radb.net ALTDB whois.radb.net RADB,RIPE whois.radb.net RADB,APNIC,ARIN whois.radb.net RIPE,ARIN On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 11:14 AM August Yang < 0000001654c01f33-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > Thank you for your efforts in making routing more secure for the entire > MICE community. > > Could you please clarify which IRR source will be included for filter > generation? We currently rely on RADb instead of ARIN for our IRR records, > and it would be helpful to confirm if this will be used with the new route > servers. > On 2023-05-09 6:19 a.m., Richard Laager wrote: > > [I plan to send this to MICE-ANNOUNCE too, but I want to see if anyone has > corrections.] > > MICE will soon be deploying new route servers which will require IRR > (Internet Routing Registry) records, as is a best practice at IXPs. > > *What* > > - You MUST have an as-set object listing your AS and your downstream > ASes (if any). > - You MUST either list that as-set in PeeringDB or email the name > of your as-set to me (off-list to rlaager(a)wiktel.com please). > - A route/route6 object MUST exist for each prefix you announce to > the route servers (whether originated by you or transited through you) and > it must list an Origin AS that is in your as-set. > > *When* > > - *If you are a transit AS (i.e. have ASes behind you) and don't have > an as-set object, fix this **now**.* Without an as-set object, your > downstream ASes announcements will be blocked (filtered) immediately when > the *first* new route server is cut in. (Granted, they will still > work through the second route server until it is upgraded.) Figure you have > 1-2 weeks at most. > - Enforcement of the route/route6 objects (for both transit and > non-transit ASes) will come later, but not a lot later. So please, start on > this now. > > *Where* > > If you are not sure *where* to create IRR records, use ARIN (assuming you > are in the ARIN region). > > *How (with ARIN)* > > 1. Login to ARIN Online. (Go to arin.net and click Login in the top > right.) > 2. On the left side, expand "Routing Security" and click "IRR". > 3. Click "as-set" at the top. > 4. Click "Create an Object". > 5. Fill in the fields: > The "AS Set Name" is what you will list in PeeringDB (or email to me). > "Description" is unparsed, but they suggest the location and have a > button to "Copy the Address from My Org ID". > "Members" is where you list your ASN and downstream ASes (if any). > 6. Click "Review". Once ready, click "Submit". > 7. Click "route/route6" at the top. > 8. Click "Create an Object". > 9. Fill in the fields: > "Prefix" is the prefix, e.g. 192.0.2.0/24. > "Origin" is your ASN. > 10. Click "Review". Once ready, click "Submit". > 11. Repeat to create additional route objects until all of your > announcements are covered. Don't forget IPv6! > > *Examples* > > Here is my as-set: https://www.radb.net/query?keywords=AS-WIKTEL > > Here is one example route: > https://www.radb.net/query?keywords=69.89.192.0%2F20 > > (I created the AS33362 one. The AS19905 one is because another AS can > originate this route for DDoS scrubbing reasons.) > > -- > Richard > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > -- > Best regards > August Yang > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

May 9, 2023