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Re: Last Day for Nominations/Volunteers

by Jeremy Berg

On Apr 15, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: > We currently have enough volunteers for a Soviet style election. We > could really use a couple more! LOL -- Jeremy Berg ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 15, 2011

Last Day for Nominations/Volunteers

by Jay Hanke

Today is the last day to toss your name in the hat for Steering Committee volunteers. We currently have enough volunteers for a Soviet style election. We could really use a couple more! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 15, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Jay Hanke

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:25 AM, David Farmer <farmer(a)umn.edu> wrote: > Where is the Graph, is it public? > The graphs aren't really public right now. IIRC, we're planning to publish the aggregate graph as soon as that is created. I'm currently using the add up all the blue lines and multiply by 2 method. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 15, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by David Farmer

Where is the Graph, is it public? I was talking to Bill Woodcock yesterday and couldn't find the graph, he will publish it in our listing in his exchange database if it is public and we want him too. So Woody, to answer your traffic level question it is over 500Mb in total traffic now. On 4/15/11 08:28 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote: > It looks like we crossed the 500 Mb/s barrier in total traffic last night!!! > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 15, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Dan Olsen

WOW. It always nice to see a mrtg graph start from zero and grow. Great Job to everyone involved. Dan Olsen Operations Manager Windomnet City OF Windom 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Traffic It looks like we crossed the 500 Mb/s barrier in total traffic last night!!! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1321 / Virus Database: 1500/3573 - Release Date: 04/14/11 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 15, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Owen DeLong

Congratulations!! Owen On Apr 15, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Jay Hanke wrote: > It looks like we crossed the 500 Mb/s barrier in total traffic last night!!! > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 15, 2011

MICE Traffic

by Jay Hanke

It looks like we crossed the 500 Mb/s barrier in total traffic last night!!! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 15, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Mike Horwath

On Apr 14, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Steve Howard wrote: > On 04/14/2011 10:24 AM, Andrew Hoyos wrote: >> On Apr 14, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Steve Howard wrote: >>> If the State would connect, I think that would get Zayo/Onvoy >>> connectivity. This neat little website from VISI indicates that >>> Onvoy/Zayo is connected to the GigaPOP: http://noc.visi.com/cgi-bin/nllxp >> That would imply that UofM/State of MN would be providing transit for Zayo/Onvoy between the NLLXP and MICE, as well as advertising commercial routes learned at NLLXP to peers at MICE. >> I wouldn't think that would be the case, although, someone can correct me if I'm wrong. >> > Good point. Perhaps Dave can clarify? If those routes won't be > advertised to MICE, then perhaps we should start trying to get some of > those organizations to connect directly to MICE...? My idea: Contact those networks and ask them to connect, remind them that if the GigaPop owners (UMN) would connect that this issue would be resolved. :) (sorry, Dave, need to put on pressure, there isn't any reason things aren't done that I can come up with right now that aren't purely negative) -- Mike Horwath drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkely Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Mike Horwath

On Apr 14, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Steve Howard wrote: > Jay, > > On 04/14/2011 09:12 AM, Jay Hanke wrote: >> Zayo and INS could fix this by connecting to MICE.... :) > > Agreed. > > If the State would connect, I think that would get Zayo/Onvoy > connectivity. This neat little website from VISI indicates that > Onvoy/Zayo is connected to the GigaPOP: http://noc.visi.com/cgi-bin/nllxp > > Dave, how is the connection coming along? Is there anything that we can > do to help you get it done? If only the gigapop would connect. Mr. Farmer, where we at with this? -- Mike Horwath drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkely Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Steve Howard

On 04/14/2011 10:24 AM, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > On Apr 14, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Steve Howard wrote: >> If the State would connect, I think that would get Zayo/Onvoy >> connectivity. This neat little website from VISI indicates that >> Onvoy/Zayo is connected to the GigaPOP: http://noc.visi.com/cgi-bin/nllxp > That would imply that UofM/State of MN would be providing transit for Zayo/Onvoy between the NLLXP and MICE, as well as advertising commercial routes learned at NLLXP to peers at MICE. > I wouldn't think that would be the case, although, someone can correct me if I'm wrong. > Good point. Perhaps Dave can clarify? If those routes won't be advertised to MICE, then perhaps we should start trying to get some of those organizations to connect directly to MICE...? Thanks, Steve ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Andrew Hoyos

On Apr 14, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Steve Howard wrote: > If the State would connect, I think that would get Zayo/Onvoy > connectivity. This neat little website from VISI indicates that > Onvoy/Zayo is connected to the GigaPOP: http://noc.visi.com/cgi-bin/nllxp That would imply that UofM/State of MN would be providing transit for Zayo/Onvoy between the NLLXP and MICE, as well as advertising commercial routes learned at NLLXP to peers at MICE. I wouldn't think that would be the case, although, someone can correct me if I'm wrong. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Jay Hanke

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Dan Olsen <Dano(a)windomnet.com> wrote: > What do you think? This just changed back to this route now. Seems like > the 3 hop Is new today. Zayo is must be connected to L3 in Chicago so I has to bounce back and forth. It's slightly less dirty that Level3 doing the bouncing on their own. If I run to ipHouse from my office on Hickorytech it stays local. Jerry, are we ready to turn up the MICE connection? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Steve Howard

Jay, On 04/14/2011 09:12 AM, Jay Hanke wrote: > Zayo and INS could fix this by connecting to MICE.... :) Agreed. If the State would connect, I think that would get Zayo/Onvoy connectivity. This neat little website from VISI indicates that Onvoy/Zayo is connected to the GigaPOP: http://noc.visi.com/cgi-bin/nllxp Dave, how is the connection coming along? Is there anything that we can do to help you get it done? Thanks, Steve ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Dan Olsen

What do you think? This just changed back to this route now. Seems like the 3 hop Is new today. And yes we are working on becoming a MICE affiliate. 1 3 ms 2 ms 8 ms 198-174-42-254.windomnet.com [198.174.42.254] 2 18 ms 11 ms 12 ms 199.199.48.53 3 65 ms 61 ms 49 ms ae6.100-ONVOY-INC.edge2.chi2.net [4.79.160.9] 4 27 ms 24 ms 28 ms vlan51.ebr1.chicago2.level3.net [4.69.138.158] 5 41 ms 46 ms 24 ms ae-6-6.ebr1.chicago1.level3.net [4.69.140.189] 6 85 ms 77 ms 68 ms ae-4-4.car1.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.69.136.105] 7 38 ms 52 ms 32 ms ae-11-11.car2.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.69.136.102] 8 38 ms 36 ms 45 ms NBC-COMMUNI.car2.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.59.66.2] 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 121 ms 114 ms 118 ms ins-db1-et-12-1.desm.netins.net [167.142.67.6] 12 65 ms 67 ms 68 ms webhosting.netins.net [167.142.226.220] race complete. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Chicago Problem for MN content On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > I asked INS to ask Level3 -- turns out that the hop labeled "ge-6-16.car1.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.79.160.9]" just has a wrong PTR, and is actually in Chicago. The updated DNS should be reflected in a few hours. Thanks for following up. I'm pretty sure it is still bouncing back and forth between Chicago and Minneapolis because Zayo (hop 2) is in Minneapolis. It must be that Zayo is picking up L3 in Chicago. I wonder if the issue is that a couple of the "Legacy networks" never got integrated. Zayo and INS could fix this by connecting to MICE.... :) Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1321 / Virus Database: 1500/3573 - Release Date: 04/14/11 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Dan Olsen

1 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms 198-174-42-254.windomnet.com [198.174.42.254] 2 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms 199.199.48.53 3 44 ms 25 ms 22 ms ae6.100-ONVOY-INC.edge2.chi2.net [4.79.160.9] 4 21 ms 29 ms 25 ms ae-2-52.edge4.chicago3.level3.net [4.69.138.166] 5 17 ms 22 ms 17 ms 63.146.27.17 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 57 ms 58 ms 58 ms 63-234-167-238.dia.static.qwest.net [63.234.167.238] 8 53 ms 53 ms 56 ms ins-db1-et-12-1.desm.netins.net [167.142.67.6] 9 105 ms 129 ms 132 ms webhosting.netins.net [167.142.226.220] race complete. :\Users\Dano> Dan Olsen Operations Manager Windomnet City OF Windom 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:19 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Chicago Problem for MN content Perhaps RTT can be a hint as to the distance between hops. As of a few minutes ago, traffic to 198-174-42-254.windomnet.com is now going via Qwest instead of Level3. Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Chicago Problem for MN content On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > I asked INS to ask Level3 -- turns out that the hop labeled "ge-6-16.car1.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.79.160.9]" just has a wrong PTR, and is actually in Chicago. The updated DNS should be reflected in a few hours. Thanks for following up. I'm pretty sure it is still bouncing back and forth between Chicago and Minneapolis because Zayo (hop 2) is in Minneapolis. It must be that Zayo is picking up L3 in Chicago. I wonder if the issue is that a couple of the "Legacy networks" never got integrated. Zayo and INS could fix this by connecting to MICE.... :) Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1321 / Virus Database: 1500/3573 - Release Date: 04/14/11 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Frank Bulk

Perhaps RTT can be a hint as to the distance between hops. As of a few minutes ago, traffic to 198-174-42-254.windomnet.com is now going via Qwest instead of Level3. Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Chicago Problem for MN content On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > I asked INS to ask Level3 -- turns out that the hop labeled "ge-6-16.car1.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.79.160.9]" just has a wrong PTR, and is actually in Chicago. The updated DNS should be reflected in a few hours. Thanks for following up. I'm pretty sure it is still bouncing back and forth between Chicago and Minneapolis because Zayo (hop 2) is in Minneapolis. It must be that Zayo is picking up L3 in Chicago. I wonder if the issue is that a couple of the "Legacy networks" never got integrated. Zayo and INS could fix this by connecting to MICE.... :) Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Jay Hanke

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > I asked INS to ask Level3 -- turns out that the hop labeled "ge-6-16.car1.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.79.160.9]" just has a wrong PTR, and is actually in Chicago. The updated DNS should be reflected in a few hours. Thanks for following up. I'm pretty sure it is still bouncing back and forth between Chicago and Minneapolis because Zayo (hop 2) is in Minneapolis. It must be that Zayo is picking up L3 in Chicago. I wonder if the issue is that a couple of the "Legacy networks" never got integrated. Zayo and INS could fix this by connecting to MICE.... :) Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Frank Bulk

I asked INS to ask Level3 -- turns out that the hop labeled "ge-6-16.car1.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.79.160.9]" just has a wrong PTR, and is actually in Chicago. The updated DNS should be reflected in a few hours. Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:07 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Chicago Problem for MN content I ran a couple of trace routes to "Minnesota Content". http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=68 Hickorytech isn't currently exchanging traffic on the exchange. Would a couple of you who are forward looking run some traces to various Minnesota content and post results? jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Akamai Peering

by Jay Hanke

>> Exactly. The traffic balance will follow internet BGP magic. >> > No, that's a very gross oversimplification. Akamai does a lot of traffic engineering. I'm talking about the traffic feeding the cluster. We'll (MICE) control the router and BGP advertisements on that side. Granted inbound traffic balancing is not hugely flexible. On the traffic coming out of the cluster that's all in the hands of Akamai. There is a risk that the Akamai cluster may end up feeding 3rd parties. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Akamai Peering

by Owen DeLong

On Apr 14, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Jay Hanke wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Owen DeLong <owend(a)he.net> wrote: >> I doubt Akamai will use them evenly. Akamai will toss traffic wherever it is most advantageous >> to Akamai. >> > > Exactly. The traffic balance will follow internet BGP magic. > No, that's a very gross oversimplification. Akamai does a lot of traffic engineering. >> They will not likely saturate anyone's network (after all, that's also counter-productive for their >> own goals in most cases). > > Also consider that the cluster will output significantly more > bandwidth than is downloaded over the Internet the load shouldn't be > more than the benefit. In smaller deployments, I've commonly seen > bandwidth savings of 2:1 or 3:1. If things got really lopsided we > could modify the BGP attributes to even it out. We're not talking a > huge amount of bandwidth with a small cluster (100 or 200 Mb/s peak > down from the internet). > I doubt BGP metrics will actually have much effect on Akamai's traffic engineering decisions. I'm not saying I think Akamai will do bad things, but, the control of where the traffic goes will be almost entirely in the hands of Akamai and you are along for the ride. Owen > jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Akamai Peering

by Jay Hanke

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Owen DeLong <owend(a)he.net> wrote: > I doubt Akamai will use them evenly. Akamai will toss traffic wherever it is most advantageous > to Akamai. > Exactly. The traffic balance will follow internet BGP magic. > They will not likely saturate anyone's network (after all, that's also counter-productive for their > own goals in most cases). Also consider that the cluster will output significantly more bandwidth than is downloaded over the Internet the load shouldn't be more than the benefit. In smaller deployments, I've commonly seen bandwidth savings of 2:1 or 3:1. If things got really lopsided we could modify the BGP attributes to even it out. We're not talking a huge amount of bandwidth with a small cluster (100 or 200 Mb/s peak down from the internet). jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Akamai Peering

by Owen DeLong

I doubt Akamai will use them evenly. Akamai will toss traffic wherever it is most advantageous to Akamai. They will not likely saturate anyone's network (after all, that's also counter-productive for their own goals in most cases). Owen On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > If three carriers participated by providing transit, how would Akamai use the transit links evenly, either between transit links or participating carriers? > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:35 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Peering > > If I placed one of the smaller Akamai clusters in 511, would carriers > be interested in peering with the condition that they provide > transport to "feed" the cluster? > > The idea would be that carriers using the cluster would share in the > costs. So Carrier A would peer over MICE a router in front of the > cluster with the agreement that they advertise the cluster IP > addresses to the Internet. Carrier B would do the same thing. > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Akamai Peering

by Frank Bulk

If three carriers participated by providing transit, how would Akamai use the transit links evenly, either between transit links or participating carriers? Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:35 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Peering If I placed one of the smaller Akamai clusters in 511, would carriers be interested in peering with the condition that they provide transport to "feed" the cluster? The idea would be that carriers using the cluster would share in the costs. So Carrier A would peer over MICE a router in front of the cluster with the agreement that they advertise the cluster IP addresses to the Internet. Carrier B would do the same thing. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 14, 2011

Re: Akamai Peering

by Jay Hanke

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > ONLY Akamai, right? > Right > If so, I'd give transit over my three uplinks. Source bandwidth on our small cluster isn't an issue. > > But if this is a larger cluster, then sharing with others would be a bg win. I'm all for giving to the community that is MICE, but I can't give away the farm. (notice I said larger, not large) > Another option could be to update the your BGP feed and permit MICE use your existing cluster. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 13, 2011

Re: Akamai Peering

by Mike Horwath

ONLY Akamai, right? Nothing else? If so, I'd give transit over my three uplinks. Source bandwidth on our small cluster isn't an issue. But if this is a larger cluster, then sharing with others would be a bg win. I'm all for giving to the community that is MICE, but I can't give away the farm. (notice I said larger, not large) May need some ARIN love for a network so we can all advertise a consistent block, or we all need to have separate destinations already announced to the greater 'net. Option two would be a little more work but has the greatest benefit in that each MICE peer can give a /?? to the Akamai cluster, and whatever router is there is a NAT system mapping all provided addresses to the backbends Akamai cluster. Yes, a little hackery but I like how it sounds in my head. I also just got up, so maybe I'm still sleep dumb. -- Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 13, 2011

Akamai Peering

by Jay Hanke

If I placed one of the smaller Akamai clusters in 511, would carriers be interested in peering with the condition that they provide transport to "feed" the cluster? The idea would be that carriers using the cluster would share in the costs. So Carrier A would peer over MICE a router in front of the cluster with the agreement that they advertise the cluster IP addresses to the Internet. Carrier B would do the same thing. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 13, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Frank Bulk

Pretty much the same from the other direction. Anyone have a good contact at Level3? Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Dan Olsen Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:57 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Chicago Problem for MN content Seeing the same issue heading to netins in Iowa. I think ( Not the data guy here) Tracing route to www.netins.net<http://www.netins.net> [167.142.226.220] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 4 ms 1 ms 2 ms 198-174-42-254.windomnet.com [198.174.42.254] 2 6 ms 8 ms 8 ms 199.199.48.53 3 22 ms 20 ms 22 ms ge-6-16.car1.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.79.160.9] 4 21 ms 22 ms 23 ms vlan51.ebr1.chicago2.level3.net [4.69.138.158] 5 22 ms 21 ms 33 ms ae-6-6.ebr1.chicago1.level3.net [4.69.140.189] 6 25 ms 26 ms 25 ms ae-4-4.car1.minneapolis1.level3.net [4.69.136.105] 7 31 ms 30 ms 31 ms ae-11-11.car2.minneapolis1.level3.net [4.69.136.102] 8 36 ms 38 ms 38 ms nbc-communi.car2.minneapolis1.level3.net [4.59.66.2] 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 36 ms 33 ms 34 ms ins-db1-et-12-1.desm.netins.net [167.142.67.6] 12 34 ms 32 ms 34 ms webhosting.netins.net [167.142.226.220] Trace complete. Dan Olsen Operations Manager Windomnet City OF Windom 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:07 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Chicago Problem for MN content I ran a couple of trace routes to "Minnesota Content". http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=68 Hickorytech isn't currently exchanging traffic on the exchange. Would a couple of you who are forward looking run some traces to various Minnesota content and post results? jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1321 / Virus Database: 1500/3568 - Release Date: 04/12/11 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 13, 2011

Re: Akamai Survey

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 03:46:14PM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > Who currently has an Akamai cluster in their network? ipHouse does. mtr downloads.apple.com Packets Pings Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. gw-ext-176-88.staff.iphouse.net 0.0% 8 0.8 1.4 0.8 4.9 1.4 2. c4500-1.bdr.mpls.iphouse.net 0.0% 7 0.7 1.8 0.7 3.3 1.0 3. akamai-103.colo.iphouse.com 0.0% 7 0.4 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.0 Our DNS servers are public open if you want to test.. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 04:07:08PM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Dan Olsen <Dano(a)windomnet.com> wrote: > > Seeing the same issue heading to netins in Iowa. I think ( Not the data > > guy here) > > > > That's awful, did I read that right? > > Windom->Minneapolis->Chicago->Minneapolis (ON THE SAME CARRRIER!)->?->Iowa > > I think all of my routing is going to be doughnut from now on... Even > C!@#%! can route locally in Minneapolis. Pretty much the same here.. This one heads out to TX same as you mtr connectmn.org Packets Pings Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. gw-ext-176-88.staff.iphouse.net 0.0% 2 0.8 0.8 0.7 0.8 0.0 2. ge0-2-0.m20-2.mpls.iphouse.net 0.0% 2 0.6 0.6 0.5 0.6 0.1 3. POS3-3.GW2.MSP3.ALTER.NET 0.0% 2 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.0 4. 0.so-1-2-0.XL4.MSP1.ALTER.NET 0.0% 2 0.8 0.8 0.8 0.8 0.0 5. 0.so-7-1-0.XL4.CHI13.ALTER.NET 0.0% 2 10.2 10.1 10.0 10.2 0.1 6. 0.ae4.BR3.CHI13.ALTER.NET 0.0% 1 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 0.0 7. 204.255.168.154 0.0% 1 10.2 10.2 10.2 10.2 0.0 8. ASPEN-COMMUNICATIONS.GigabitEthe 0.0% 1 37.9 37.9 37.9 37.9 0.0 9. H101-230-94-69.adstx.net 0.0% 1 36.6 36.6 36.6 36.6 0.0 10. 74.113.21.164 0.0% 1 37.2 37.2 37.2 37.2 0.0 But this is the same mtr www.511.org Packets Pings Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. gw-ext-176-88.staff.iphouse.net 0.0% 8 1.0 1.4 0.7 5.3 1.6 2. ge0-2-0.m20-2.mpls.iphouse.net 0.0% 8 0.6 5.0 0.4 31.5 10.9 3. 207-67-87-137.static.twtelecom.n 0.0% 8 0.8 1.1 0.7 3.2 0.9 4. chi2-pr1-ge-7-1-0-0.us.twtelecom 0.0% 8 10.2 10.2 10.1 10.4 0.1 5. tg9-2.cr01.chcgildt.integra.net 0.0% 8 211.5 178.0 64.8 266.4 79.1 6. tg9-3.cr01.mplsmncd.integra.net 0.0% 8 171.0 188.5 132.4 263.0 49.3 7. te9-4.cr02.mplsmncd.integra.net 0.0% 8 66.2 117.6 66.2 178.7 40.9 8. tg13-2.cr02.sttlwatw.integra.net 0.0% 8 94.8 171.6 94.8 251.7 60.2 9. tg13-4.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net 0.0% 7 206.0 161.2 88.1 230.5 54.3 10. tg13-1.cr01.ptleorte.integra.net 0.0% 7 105.3 116.8 64.9 194.0 46.9 11. tg9-1.ar10.ptldorfj.integra.net 0.0% 7 64.9 69.8 64.0 103.5 14.9 12. 67.51.66.253 0.0% 7 64.4 64.2 64.1 64.4 0.1 That seems to be Integra only peering in Chicago producing that result. Several different networks all backending to mplsmncd.integra.net (in 511??) Still need that Gigapop connection too.. mtr www.state.mn.us Packets Pings Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. gw-ext-176-88.staff.iphouse.net 0.0% 21 0.8 0.9 0.7 1.7 0.2 2. ge0-2-0.m20-1.mpls.iphouse.net 0.0% 21 0.4 0.4 0.3 0.5 0.0 3. ge-6-10.car2.Minneapolis1.Level3 0.0% 21 9.9 10.0 9.8 11.1 0.3 4. ae-5-5.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net 0.0% 21 49.1 42.0 36.4 49.5 4.6 5. ae-4-4.car2.KansasCity1.Level3.n 0.0% 21 40.4 42.2 40.2 79.3 8.5 6. ??? 7. amesia-gr-01-po-2.northernlights 0.0% 21 20.9 20.9 20.7 21.3 0.2 8. mtc-gr-01-po-2.northernlights.gi 0.0% 21 20.9 21.6 20.6 36.9 3.5 9. statecob-gr-01-te-2-2-3001.north 0.0% 21 20.6 21.0 20.6 22.4 0.5 10. som-thor-te-3-3-3001.northernlig 0.0% 21 20.9 20.8 20.5 21.5 0.2 11. cobnhagar-hub-Gi2-9.r.state.mn.u 0.0% 20 20.9 21.2 20.6 27.9 1.6 12. cobnlbsw1-sh-V52.r.state.mn.us 0.0% 20 20.7 20.9 20.7 21.2 0.1 13. www.state.mn.us 0.0% 20 20.9 21.0 20.7 22.7 0.4 Or perhaps Qwest too.. mtr www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us Packets Pings Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. gw-ext-176-88.staff.iphouse.net 0.0% 17 0.8 1.4 0.7 10.2 2.3 2. ge0-2-0.m20-2.mpls.iphouse.net 0.0% 17 0.4 2.3 0.3 30.5 7.3 3. ge0-2-0.m20-1.mpls.iphouse.net 0.0% 17 0.4 0.8 0.4 5.2 1.2 4. ge-6-10.car2.Minneapolis1.Level3 0.0% 17 10.0 10.0 9.8 10.6 0.2 5. ae-11-11.car1.Minneapolis1.Level 0.0% 17 9.8 9.9 9.7 10.0 0.1 6. ae-4-4.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net 0.0% 17 13.5 14.1 9.8 22.1 4.0 7. ae-6-6.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net 0.0% 17 10.2 10.0 9.8 10.2 0.1 8. ae-1-51.edge4.Chicago3.Level3.ne 0.0% 17 9.8 9.9 9.8 10.3 0.1 9. chp-brdr-03.inet.qwest.net 0.0% 17 10.1 10.0 9.8 10.1 0.1 10. min-core-02.inet.qwest.net 0.0% 16 19.9 19.9 19.7 20.2 0.2 11. min-edge-10.inet.qwest.net 0.0% 16 19.8 19.8 19.7 20.0 0.1 12. 65.126.82.250 0.0% 16 23.2 32.1 20.8 127.2 27.6 13. www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us 0.0% 16 23.9 22.5 20.8 32.6 2.9 -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: Akamai Survey

by James Stahr

At 03:46 PM 4/12/2011, Jay Hanke wrote: >Who currently has an Akamai cluster in their network? We've got a few hosts on our network, but they are located in our Madison facility. -James CDW Technologies (formerly Berbee/binc.net) ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: Akamai Survey

by Russell Berg

WIN/Airstream does -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:46 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Survey Who currently has an Akamai cluster in their network? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Jay Hanke

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Dan Olsen <Dano(a)windomnet.com> wrote: > Seeing the same issue heading to netins in Iowa. I think ( Not the data > guy here) > That's awful, did I read that right? Windom->Minneapolis->Chicago->Minneapolis (ON THE SAME CARRRIER!)->?->Iowa I think all of my routing is going to be doughnut from now on... Even C!@#%! can route locally in Minneapolis. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: Chicago Problem for MN content

by Dan Olsen

Seeing the same issue heading to netins in Iowa. I think ( Not the data guy here) Tracing route to www.netins.net [167.142.226.220] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 4 ms 1 ms 2 ms 198-174-42-254.windomnet.com [198.174.42.254] 2 6 ms 8 ms 8 ms 199.199.48.53 3 22 ms 20 ms 22 ms ge-6-16.car1.Minneapolis1.Level3.net [4.79.160.9] 4 21 ms 22 ms 23 ms vlan51.ebr1.chicago2.level3.net [4.69.138.158] 5 22 ms 21 ms 33 ms ae-6-6.ebr1.chicago1.level3.net [4.69.140.189] 6 25 ms 26 ms 25 ms ae-4-4.car1.minneapolis1.level3.net [4.69.136.105] 7 31 ms 30 ms 31 ms ae-11-11.car2.minneapolis1.level3.net [4.69.136.102] 8 36 ms 38 ms 38 ms nbc-communi.car2.minneapolis1.level3.net [4.59.66.2] 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 36 ms 33 ms 34 ms ins-db1-et-12-1.desm.netins.net [167.142.67.6] 12 34 ms 32 ms 34 ms webhosting.netins.net [167.142.226.220] Trace complete. Dan Olsen Operations Manager Windomnet City OF Windom 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 _____ From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:07 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Chicago Problem for MN content I ran a couple of trace routes to "Minnesota Content". http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=68 Hickorytech isn't currently exchanging traffic on the exchange. Would a couple of you who are forward looking run some traces to various Minnesota content and post results? jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1321 / Virus Database: 1500/3568 - Release Date: 04/12/11 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Akamai Survey

by Jay Hanke

Who currently has an Akamai cluster in their network? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Chicago Problem for MN content

by Jay Hanke

I ran a couple of trace routes to "Minnesota Content". http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=68 Hickorytech isn't currently exchanging traffic on the exchange. Would a couple of you who are forward looking run some traces to various Minnesota content and post results? jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: University MICE Connection

by Ryan Goldberg

Yes please! I have 800 students worth of student housing that would enjoy this.... > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Mike Horwath > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 12:13 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] University MICE Connection > > On 4/12/11 10:35 AM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> > wrote: > > >Farmer- How's it coming? > > I am so excited! > > LET'S GO, NTS, LET'S GO! > > Sing it! > > -- > Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net > The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is > that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune > > ################################################################### > ##### > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: Elections!

by Mike Horwath

Thanks, Anthony. Need more! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: University MICE Connection

by Mike Horwath

On 4/12/11 10:35 AM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >Farmer- How's it coming? I am so excited! LET'S GO, NTS, LET'S GO! Sing it! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

University MICE Connection

by Jay Hanke

Farmer- How's it coming? -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC 320 East Liberty Street Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: Elections!

by Anthony Anderberg

I'd be willing to serve if the group is willing to have me. Here's my linkedin profile if you're wondering which face I am: http://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyanderberg Although I don't have as many contacts as many other group members I know quite a few people in the ILEC community and might be able to evangelize the MICE case in those circles. We (NU-Telecom and Broad Band Visions) are still working through our options to get connected to MICE, so I'm not in a position to nominate or vote yet... not sure if that's a sticking point. Cheers, anthony -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:33 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Elections! We need volunteers and nominations to fill vacant steering committee slot! They are due in on Friday of this week. The steering committee meets about once every two months in Minneapolis. The workload isn't huge and it's a great way to help the community. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Elections!

by Jay Hanke

We need volunteers and nominations to fill vacant steering committee slot! They are due in on Friday of this week. The steering committee meets about once every two months in Minneapolis. The workload isn't huge and it's a great way to help the community. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 12, 2011

Re: MICE Reverse DNS

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:35:02PM -0600, Jay Hanke wrote: > > SIX's idea was a bad idea. Be a "master of your own domain" vs. including > > other domains. > > > > As you know (and what kicked this off) is the fact that we requested (as we > > do) a specific reverse-DNS. That's OK as we are requesting something within > > "he.net" and hence we should be able to add that to our own domain. We > > added our own on SIX; but their dns is somewhat broken at the moment. :-( > > > > Martin- What do you recommend for a convention? Are you saying AS[#]. > micemn.net? FWIW: I see this was done for IPv4 reverse PTRs, but not IPv6 reverse ptrs? -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 7, 2011

Re: Thanks to all for a great UG

by Mike O'Connor

On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:06 AM, Mike Horwath wrote: > On 3/31/11 3:41 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: > >> Thanks to all who helped with the Users Group last night! >> >> A couple of quick updates: >> >> -Farmer drew the shortest straw at the social. So his seat is now up >> for grabs. We need nominations/volunteers to fill his seat. Please >> send them to the list. The election will be held mid next month! > > Anyone campaigning? > > Don't think Mike O'Connor wants to do it, which is too bad… LOL. i was having a great time writing down all the acronyms i didn't understand. i wasn't kidding when i said i *used* to be able to do this kinda stuff. besides, i'm saving my cycles for the ISOC project you guys splashed in my soup. what do you think of the combination of ISOC and Beer? on a serious note -- i'd lobby Dave to run for his old seat. > >> -To vote in the election you need to be connected to the exchange. >> What are you waiting for?!?!?!?! >> -A special thanks to Bob Christian Juniper Networks, our last minute >> social sponsor! >> -A very special thanks to Owen DeLong of HE.net for his excellent IPv6 >> presentation, now available at micemn.net! > > For sure, thank you those that aren't on the list! ;) > > -- > Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net > The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is > that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 - - - - - - - - - phone 651-647-6109 fax 866-280-2356 web http://www.haven2.com handle OConnorStP (ID for public places like Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.) ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 1, 2011

Re: Thanks to all for a great UG

by Mike Horwath

On 3/31/11 3:41 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >Thanks to all who helped with the Users Group last night! > >A couple of quick updates: > >-Farmer drew the shortest straw at the social. So his seat is now up >for grabs. We need nominations/volunteers to fill his seat. Please >send them to the list. The election will be held mid next month! Anyone campaigning? Don't think Mike O'Connor wants to do it, which is too bad... >-To vote in the election you need to be connected to the exchange. >What are you waiting for?!?!?!?! >-A special thanks to Bob Christian Juniper Networks, our last minute >social sponsor! >-A very special thanks to Owen DeLong of HE.net for his excellent IPv6 >presentation, now available at micemn.net! For sure, thank you those that aren't on the list! ;) -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 1, 2011

Thanks to all for a great UG

by Jay Hanke

Thanks to all who helped with the Users Group last night! A couple of quick updates: -Farmer drew the shortest straw at the social. So his seat is now up for grabs. We need nominations/volunteers to fill his seat. Please send them to the list. The election will be held mid next month! -To vote in the election you need to be connected to the exchange. What are you waiting for?!?!?!?! -A special thanks to Bob Christian Juniper Networks, our last minute social sponsor! -A very special thanks to Owen DeLong of HE.net for his excellent IPv6 presentation, now available at micemn.net! Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC 320 East Liberty Street Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 31, 2011

Re: Brochure for MICE

by John Unger

Looks nice Steve.. John A. Unger President 13033 Ridgedale Drive Suite 330 Minnetonka, MN 55305 D: 612.238.1601 C: 612.325.2909 john(a)vaultas.com Vaultas Alexandria, LLC 720 Hawthorne Street PO Box 546 Alexandria, MN 56308 D: 320.759.5800 Vaultas St Cloud, LLC 3701 18th Street South St Cloud, MN 56303 D: 320.443.6700 This message is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any misdirected transmission. If you received this message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 612.325.2909 and immediately delete this message from your system. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, distribute or copy any part of this message. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:48 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Brochure for MICE Thanks for the suggestions! Here is a revised copy. We've got about 20 minutes for any last minute changes... Please e-mail any other suggestions & corrections! Thanks, Steve On 03/24/2011 01:18 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > Looks good. With UMN/Northern Lights GigaPOP coming on board, maybe add Higher Education to the list of current members? Also, I believe we have member networks serving Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wisconsin. Am I missing any? > > Is reduced delay and latency redundant? Maybe add Increase Connection Diversity? > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Steve Howard > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:03 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Brochure for MICE > > Nobody has sent any content suggestions... > > We went with a single sheet. I don't think that we had enough content for a tri-fold brochure. > > Please look this over and reply back with suggestions and improvements. > > This needs to be wrapped up today (Thursday) by about 4PM! > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > On 03/07/2011 11:03 AM, Steve Howard wrote: >> Jay and I have been discussing creating a MICE brochure that he can >> hand out at MTA. >> >> I can ask a graphic design person here to put one together, but what >> information should be included? Logo, Name, website, contact info, >> etc. What can we put on it so that people who have no idea what >> peering is pass the brochure on to their network staff? I suspect >> that the word "free" might help get some attention? >> >> I figure this would be too small of a print run to justify the cost >> of regular printing, so we could just do a color laser print and run >> it through a folding machine if that makes sense? >> >> Please help with suggestions and ideas! >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> ##################################################################### >> # >> ## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 24, 2011

Re: Brochure for MICE

by Steve Howard

Mike, Good point. However, I didn't want to point that out because it might not apply to everyone. (For example, somebody who rents space in Jay's rack). Also, the exchange itself is free! :-) Thanks, Steve On 03/24/2011 04:01 PM, Mike Hemphill wrote: > Steve, they do pay a monthly cross connect fee to FWR, don't know if that > needs to be spelled out in this document or not. > Mike > > Mike Hemphill > FWR Communication Networks > VP Sales > 612-333-1922 voice > 612-812-5242 cell > 612-333-1945 fax > mhemphill(a)mngateway.com > Visit us at: www.mngateway.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Steve Howard > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:48 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Brochure for MICE > > Thanks for the suggestions! > > Here is a revised copy. > > We've got about 20 minutes for any last minute changes... Please e-mail > any other suggestions & corrections! > > Thanks, > Steve > > On 03/24/2011 01:18 PM, Russell Berg wrote: >> Looks good. With UMN/Northern Lights GigaPOP coming on board, maybe add > Higher Education to the list of current members? Also, I believe we have > member networks serving Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wisconsin. > Am I missing any? >> Is reduced delay and latency redundant? Maybe add Increase Connection > Diversity? >> Russ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Steve Howard >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:03 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Brochure for MICE >> >> Nobody has sent any content suggestions... >> >> We went with a single sheet. I don't think that we had enough content for > a tri-fold brochure. >> Please look this over and reply back with suggestions and improvements. >> >> This needs to be wrapped up today (Thursday) by about 4PM! >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> >> >> On 03/07/2011 11:03 AM, Steve Howard wrote: >>> Jay and I have been discussing creating a MICE brochure that he can >>> hand out at MTA. >>> >>> I can ask a graphic design person here to put one together, but what >>> information should be included? Logo, Name, website, contact info, >>> etc. What can we put on it so that people who have no idea what >>> peering is pass the brochure on to their network staff? I suspect >>> that the word "free" might help get some attention? >>> >>> I figure this would be too small of a print run to justify the cost of >>> regular printing, so we could just do a color laser print and run it >>> through a folding machine if that makes sense? >>> >>> Please help with suggestions and ideas! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Steve >>> >>> ###################################################################### >>> ## >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >>> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 24, 2011

Re: Brochure for MICE

by Mike Hemphill

Steve, they do pay a monthly cross connect fee to FWR, don't know if that needs to be spelled out in this document or not. Mike Mike Hemphill FWR Communication Networks VP Sales 612-333-1922 voice 612-812-5242 cell 612-333-1945 fax mhemphill(a)mngateway.com Visit us at: www.mngateway.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:48 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Brochure for MICE Thanks for the suggestions! Here is a revised copy. We've got about 20 minutes for any last minute changes... Please e-mail any other suggestions & corrections! Thanks, Steve On 03/24/2011 01:18 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > Looks good. With UMN/Northern Lights GigaPOP coming on board, maybe add Higher Education to the list of current members? Also, I believe we have member networks serving Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wisconsin. Am I missing any? > > Is reduced delay and latency redundant? Maybe add Increase Connection Diversity? > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:03 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Brochure for MICE > > Nobody has sent any content suggestions... > > We went with a single sheet. I don't think that we had enough content for a tri-fold brochure. > > Please look this over and reply back with suggestions and improvements. > > This needs to be wrapped up today (Thursday) by about 4PM! > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > On 03/07/2011 11:03 AM, Steve Howard wrote: >> Jay and I have been discussing creating a MICE brochure that he can >> hand out at MTA. >> >> I can ask a graphic design person here to put one together, but what >> information should be included? Logo, Name, website, contact info, >> etc. What can we put on it so that people who have no idea what >> peering is pass the brochure on to their network staff? I suspect >> that the word "free" might help get some attention? >> >> I figure this would be too small of a print run to justify the cost of >> regular printing, so we could just do a color laser print and run it >> through a folding machine if that makes sense? >> >> Please help with suggestions and ideas! >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> ###################################################################### >> ## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 24, 2011

Re: Brochure for MICE

by Steve Howard

Thanks for the suggestions! Here is a revised copy. We've got about 20 minutes for any last minute changes... Please e-mail any other suggestions & corrections! Thanks, Steve On 03/24/2011 01:18 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > Looks good. With UMN/Northern Lights GigaPOP coming on board, maybe add Higher Education to the list of current members? Also, I believe we have member networks serving Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wisconsin. Am I missing any? > > Is reduced delay and latency redundant? Maybe add Increase Connection Diversity? > > Russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:03 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Brochure for MICE > > Nobody has sent any content suggestions... > > We went with a single sheet. I don't think that we had enough content for a tri-fold brochure. > > Please look this over and reply back with suggestions and improvements. > > This needs to be wrapped up today (Thursday) by about 4PM! > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > On 03/07/2011 11:03 AM, Steve Howard wrote: >> Jay and I have been discussing creating a MICE brochure that he can >> hand out at MTA. >> >> I can ask a graphic design person here to put one together, but what >> information should be included? Logo, Name, website, contact info, >> etc. What can we put on it so that people who have no idea what >> peering is pass the brochure on to their network staff? I suspect >> that the word "free" might help get some attention? >> >> I figure this would be too small of a print run to justify the cost of >> regular printing, so we could just do a color laser print and run it >> through a folding machine if that makes sense? >> >> Please help with suggestions and ideas! >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> ###################################################################### >> ## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 24, 2011

Re: Brochure for MICE

by Mike Horwath

On 3/24/11 1:18 PM, "Russell Berg" <berg(a)WINS.NET> wrote: >Looks good. With UMN/Northern Lights GigaPOP coming on board, maybe add >Higher Education to the list of current members? Also, I believe we have >member networks serving Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota and >Wisconsin. Am I missing any? Ooh, it would be awesome if UMN would connect! POKE POKE >Is reduced delay and latency redundant? Maybe add Increase Connection >Diversity? Yes, and good idea. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 24, 2011