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Akamai Install Update

by Jay Hanke

Akamai is sending 2 Horizontal PDU to replace the verticals that don't fit. They should arrive in about a week. The Cisco 4900m router just shipped tracking# 795243703999, & should be there by the 4th. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 30, 2011

Pending MICE Turn up status

by Jay Hanke

We have a number of connections in various stages of turning up. -DCN (Layer 3 connectivity, no peering) -MyTelepath (Layer 2 connectivity) -Implex (X-conn installed) -Visi (Initial IP allocation) -Paul Bunyan Telephone (Initial IP allocation) -Wikstrom Telephone (Initial IP allocation) If you need any assistance getting going just ask! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 29, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Owen DeLong

On Sep 28, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Richard Laager wrote: > On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 14:56 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Ideally, the PDUs that provide the NEMA 5-20R or 5-15R receptacles in the >> rack should have the NEMA L5-20P on their input cord. > > If a new PDU needs to be purchased anyway... > > I suspect the Akamai servers have IEC inputs. It might be worth > considering a PDU with IEC connectors on the output side. This could > provide enough outputs in 1U vs needing 2U for two PDUs. > If you do this, make sure you mount the strain reliefs on the PDUs and cable-tie the IEC plugs into the sockets. My experience with IEC PDUs has been generally positive, so long as you do this. If you don't, you are just asking for power issues as cables fall out (or partially out) of the PDUs. Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Jay Hanke

> Disclaimer: I haven't seen the rack, so this is just a general comment > to consider. Since nobody follows my twitter feed... http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=161 ;) ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Richard Laager

On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 14:56 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: > Ideally, the PDUs that provide the NEMA 5-20R or 5-15R receptacles in the > rack should have the NEMA L5-20P on their input cord. If a new PDU needs to be purchased anyway... I suspect the Akamai servers have IEC inputs. It might be worth considering a PDU with IEC connectors on the output side. This could provide enough outputs in 1U vs needing 2U for two PDUs. Disclaimer: I haven't seen the rack, so this is just a general comment to consider. Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Hannigan, Martin

On 9/28/11 6:02 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >> We'd prefer that none of our equipment be modified without consultation of >> our deployment engineer responsible for this deployment. I'm sure that we'll >> be able to accommodate whatever environment that we need to and rapidly. > > I put in an email to him this morning, just haven't heard back yet. > Thanks, I sent along the thread for him to take a look and prompted him to respond. If we need to modify the strips or anything of ours facing the infrastructure we would appreciate a heads up. Our documentation is fairly meticulous and we like to keep as-builts. We're well aware of all of the requirements to occupy all sorts of datacenters globally and will be happy to support the most cost effective implementation possible. I don't think that we're too far off from turning up. I'll be posting an "on" notice as soon as we get cleared from deployment. Best, -M< ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Jay Hanke

> We'd prefer that none of our equipment be modified without consultation of > our deployment engineer responsible for this deployment. I'm sure that we'll > be able to accommodate whatever environment that we need to and rapidly. I put in an email to him this morning, just haven't heard back yet. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Owen DeLong

On Sep 28, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > On 9/28/11 5:45 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: > >>> 20P plugs are one horizontal and one vertical. If they have two vertical >>> prongs, then >>> they are NEMA 5-15P plugs which are much more likely on servers that are not >>> drawing very high amperages. >> >> The servers are all 5-15P. The outlet above the rack is a 20A twist >> lock so we'll need an adapter. >> >> Jay >> > > > Folks, > > We'd prefer that none of our equipment be modified without consultation of > our deployment engineer responsible for this deployment. I'm sure that we'll > be able to accommodate whatever environment that we need to and rapidly. > > Best, > > -M< I don't think anyone said anything about modifying your equipment, Marty. Ideally, the PDUs that provide the NEMA 5-20R or 5-15R receptacles in the rack should have the NEMA L5-20P on their input cord. Then, all that remains is to make sure that the total load being connected to each PDU does not exceed 18A max or 15A continuous. (You should always run a circuit with 25% continuous headroom and 10% max draw headroom in order to allow for line losses, etc.). Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Hannigan, Martin

On 9/28/11 5:45 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >> 20P plugs are one horizontal and one vertical. If they have two vertical >> prongs, then >> they are NEMA 5-15P plugs which are much more likely on servers that are not >> drawing very high amperages. > > The servers are all 5-15P. The outlet above the rack is a 20A twist > lock so we'll need an adapter. > > Jay > Folks, We'd prefer that none of our equipment be modified without consultation of our deployment engineer responsible for this deployment. I'm sure that we'll be able to accommodate whatever environment that we need to and rapidly. Best, -M< ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Jay Hanke

> 20P plugs are one horizontal and one vertical. If they have two vertical prongs, then > they are NEMA 5-15P plugs which are much more likely on servers that are not > drawing very high amperages. The servers are all 5-15P. The outlet above the rack is a 20A twist lock so we'll need an adapter. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Owen DeLong

If the servers are using NEMA 5-20P plugs (20A), we should make sure that we are not overloading any of the PDUs based on the number of servers and their actual load. 20P plugs are one horizontal and one vertical. If they have two vertical prongs, then they are NEMA 5-15P plugs which are much more likely on servers that are not drawing very high amperages. Owen On Sep 28, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Anthony Anderberg wrote: > Plug is NEMA 5-20P, the receptacles are NEMA 5-20R with the T-shaped neutral that can take 15A or 20A cords. > > Just to be sure - ten receptacles are enough? > > > Anthony Anderberg > Sr. Systems Analyst > 320-234-5239 > anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net > www.nutelecom.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:54 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Cluster Help > >> What kind of plugs (volt/amp) do those PDUs need to be? >> I've got a couple 10 plug 110V/20A 1U horizontal units in need of a good home, but perhaps we want 208V. >> > > I've got all the servers in the rack and cabled to the switches. > > All the servers are 110 VAC so those would work great. What kind of > plug is on the cord? > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Jay Hanke

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net> wrote: > Plug is NEMA 5-20P, the receptacles are NEMA 5-20R with the T-shaped neutral that can take 15A or 20A cords. > > Just to be sure - ten receptacles are enough? We would need two of them. 10 Servers, 2 switches, 1 (or 2) router (13 so far) ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Anthony Anderberg

Plug is NEMA 5-20P, the receptacles are NEMA 5-20R with the T-shaped neutral that can take 15A or 20A cords. Just to be sure - ten receptacles are enough? Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:54 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Cluster Help > What kind of plugs (volt/amp) do those PDUs need to be? > I've got a couple 10 plug 110V/20A 1U horizontal units in need of a good home, but perhaps we want 208V. > I've got all the servers in the rack and cabled to the switches. All the servers are 110 VAC so those would work great. What kind of plug is on the cord? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Jay Hanke

> What kind of plugs (volt/amp) do those PDUs need to be? > I've got a couple 10 plug 110V/20A 1U horizontal units in need of a good home, but perhaps we want 208V. > I've got all the servers in the rack and cabled to the switches. All the servers are 110 VAC so those would work great. What kind of plug is on the cord? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Anthony Anderberg

I can help with those tasks, although if the servers are big know that I have puny arms. :-) What kind of plugs (volt/amp) do those PDUs need to be? I've got a couple 10 plug 110V/20A 1U horizontal units in need of a good home, but perhaps we want 208V. Jay: Do we have an ETA on that router? Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:37 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Cluster Help We need volunteers for the following: -Install PDU and wire up server and switch power cords -Install Akamai router (not yet arrived) -Power up servers and do any remaining initial provisioning (After IP connectivity is established) -Akamai built in Route Servers Please reply to the list so everyone knows what's going on. Thanks, Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Matthew Beckwell

I 'm available to help with any of the items >17:00CT the rest of the week... Or anytime Saturday, Sunday, or Next week (10/3 - 10/7) ~Matthew -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:37 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Cluster Help We need volunteers for the following: -Install PDU and wire up server and switch power cords -Install Akamai router (not yet arrived) -Power up servers and do any remaining initial provisioning (After IP connectivity is established) -Akamai built in Route Servers Please reply to the list so everyone knows what's going on. Thanks, Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Jeremy Lumby

All -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:56 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Cluster Help On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am willing to help > Which item(s)? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Jay Hanke

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am willing to help > Which item(s)? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Cluster Help

by Jeremy Lumby

I am willing to help -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:37 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Cluster Help We need volunteers for the following: -Install PDU and wire up server and switch power cords -Install Akamai router (not yet arrived) -Power up servers and do any remaining initial provisioning (After IP connectivity is established) -Akamai built in Route Servers Please reply to the list so everyone knows what's going on. Thanks, Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Akamai Cluster Help

by Jay Hanke

We need volunteers for the following: -Install PDU and wire up server and switch power cords -Install Akamai router (not yet arrived) -Power up servers and do any remaining initial provisioning (After IP connectivity is established) -Akamai built in Route Servers Please reply to the list so everyone knows what's going on. Thanks, Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Servers are in!

by David Farmer

On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:53, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >> So, are they going to do video caching on the cluster there like the U >> of MN has? Or is it just the web page cluster ? > > My understanding is Akamai is going to cache anything static. That > includes a good chunk of the video but not the live stuff. I don't > think that the cluster at the U can do the real-time streaming, I'm > sure Farmer knows. I believe that is correct. I believe the MICE node will have more or less the same content as the UMN node. That does include video, probably not real-time video most of the time. But I have seen large events use our node, the Masters, Obama's Inauguration, etc... ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Akamai Servers are in!

by Jay Hanke

> So, are they going to do video caching on the cluster there like the U > of MN has? Or is it just the web page cluster ? My understanding is Akamai is going to cache anything static. That includes a good chunk of the video but not the live stuff. I don't think that the cluster at the U can do the real-time streaming, I'm sure Farmer knows. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 28, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Mike Horwath

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:07:45PM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > > Specifically mentioned the route servers - drink more coffee! > > > > Also specifically mentioned links to carriers looking glass servers, > care to join me for a cup? I was just answering the one question, not both. I'm always down for a cup. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Jeremy Lumby

As for a MICE looking glass, what about doing something similar to what AT&T did. They took a Cisco Router, and peered it with their production routers. They set up the router with a read only login that is listed in the banner when you telnet to it. For security purposes you could set BIRD to never accept any routes from the "Looking Glass" router in the event that it somehow did get compromised. The AT&T looking glass can be viewed by telneting to route-server.ip.att.net I know the MICE rack is tight on space, however when the Cisco switch comes out, there would be plenty of room for a "Looking Glass Router" and since the MICE routing table is far smaller than the full Internet routing table, you would not need a whole lot of RAM in the router (256 meg should do the trick for a while). I would be willing to donate a used Cisco router if the MICE members were interested. Someone would need to supply the bandwidth to get to the "Looking Glass Router", however with only telnet access, I do not see any significant bandwidth consumption. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 E-Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Akamai Servers are in!

by Dan Olsen

Jay: The City Of Windom would be happy to purchase a PDU for the project. Dan Olsen General Manager Windomnet 443 10th Street, PO box 38 Windom MN 56101 SMBS 110 South Hwy 86, PO Box 1006 Lakefield MN 56150 Voice 507-832-8007 -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:40 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Servers are in! The Akamai servers are in! I'm going to be at 511 about 3 pm. If you have time and want to help out come on down! It looks like we're going to need a couple of rack mount PDUs. If you have one or two available please contact me. I think we're going to need about 12 outlets but I'm not sure exactly until I see the equipment. From the sounds of it the Akamai supplied strips might not fit in the enclosure. Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Matthew Beckwell

Caught me with my looking glass down... Didn't think anyone would be "looking" at ours yet :) ~Matthew -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:17 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Looking Glasses On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 11:00 -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > If you have links, I'd be happy to add them, it would be handy. For the carriers listed on the participants page, these are the ones I'm aware of (or found via a Google search): http://lg.he.net/ (Reid from HE already mentioned this one.) http://noc.visi.com/lg http://as13746.net/ (seems to be down at the moment) Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Akamai Servers are in!

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 01:40:14PM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > The Akamai servers are in! I'm going to be at 511 about 3 pm. If you > have time and want to help out come on down! So, are they going to do video caching on the cluster there like the U of MN has? Or is it just the web page cluster ? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Akamai Servers are in!

by Mike Hemphill

The cabinet space is 14U high -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:40 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Akamai Servers are in! The Akamai servers are in! I'm going to be at 511 about 3 pm. If you have time and want to help out come on down! It looks like we're going to need a couple of rack mount PDUs. If you have one or two available please contact me. I think we're going to need about 12 outlets but I'm not sure exactly until I see the equipment. From the sounds of it the Akamai supplied strips might not fit in the enclosure. Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Akamai Servers are in!

by Jay Hanke

The Akamai servers are in! I'm going to be at 511 about 3 pm. If you have time and want to help out come on down! It looks like we're going to need a couple of rack mount PDUs. If you have one or two available please contact me. I think we're going to need about 12 outlets but I'm not sure exactly until I see the equipment. From the sounds of it the Akamai supplied strips might not fit in the enclosure. Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Richard Laager

On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 11:00 -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > If you have links, I'd be happy to add them, it would be handy. For the carriers listed on the participants page, these are the ones I'm aware of (or found via a Google search): http://lg.he.net/ (Reid from HE already mentioned this one.) http://noc.visi.com/lg http://as13746.net/ (seems to be down at the moment) Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Hannigan, Martin

Thanks, but I'll pass. I'm on my third Dunkin' Donuts XL today, and likely another before 4 EDT. ;-) Best, -M< On 9/27/11 1:07 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >> Specifically mentioned the route servers - drink more coffee! >> > > Also specifically mentioned links to carriers looking glass servers, > care to join me for a cup? > > j > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Jay Hanke

> Specifically mentioned the route servers - drink more coffee! > Also specifically mentioned links to carriers looking glass servers, care to join me for a cup? j ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Mike Horwath

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:00:06AM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > > bird and LG isn't really a good match without hackery. > > > > There has been a discussion here before. > > I think he's talking about having a link from the participants page to > any carrier that has their own looking glass. > > If you have links, I'd be happy to add them, it would be handy. Specifically mentioned the route servers - drink more coffee! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Reid Fishler

http://lg.he.net :-) On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net>wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> > wrote: > > bird and LG isn't really a good match without hackery. > > > > There has been a discussion here before. > > I think he's talking about having a link from the participants page to > any carrier that has their own looking glass. > > If you have links, I'd be happy to add them, it would be handy. > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Jay Hanke

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > bird and LG isn't really a good match without hackery. > > There has been a discussion here before. I think he's talking about having a link from the participants page to any carrier that has their own looking glass. If you have links, I'd be happy to add them, it would be handy. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 03:08:54AM -0500, Richard Laager wrote: > Is there a looking glass running on the route servers? It would be problematic to do such a thing on the route servers themselves, as the nature of what bird does would require root access for whatever web CGI process to get any information out of them. That would be alot of careful coding to make it all right. I did spin up a proof of concept virtual machine of taking a read-only BGP feed off the RRs and providing looking glass web and route-view CLI access to the data, but nobody seemed interested at all in it, so it was idled. That probably is the cleanest way to do anything, getting the route data to *something else*, it can do whatever it wants with it, rather than trying to write something secure around bird. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Looking Glasses

by Mike Horwath

bird and LG isn't really a good match without hackery. There has been a discussion here before. -- Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Looking Glasses

by Richard Laager

I'd like to see http://micemn.net/participants.html contain links to the carriers' looking glass websites, when they have one. Is that something we can do? I can certainly do some Googling and provide an initial diff for that page, if desired. Is there a looking glass running on the route servers? Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 27, 2011

Re: Marketing Stuff

by Jay Hanke

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Matthew Beckwell <matthewb(a)aitech.net> wrote: > I wouldn't mind working on it. Stretch my artsy-fartsy legs a little bit... > Also--AITech would be happy to take care of having them printed if/whenever needed. Awesome, I think it might be nice to have a list of participants. jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 24, 2011

Re: Marketing Stuff

by Matthew Beckwell

I wouldn't mind working on it. Stretch my artsy-fartsy legs a little bit... Also--AITech would be happy to take care of having them printed if/whenever needed. ~Matthew -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:44 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Marketing Stuff Jay, Here is a thing that one of our Marketing guys made several months ago. If anybody would be willing to offer suggestions, we'd be happy to change it. Or, if somebody wants to work on it, we can send it to them. Thanks, Steve On 09/21/2011 08:52 AM, Jay Hanke wrote: > Is someone willing to make up a one page flyer explaining MICE? It > would be handed out at trade shows etc... > > Jay > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 22, 2011

Re: Remote MICE members?

by Steve Howard

Anthony, Things look good in the MICE switch: Spanning tree enabled protocol rstp Root ID Priority 4096 Address 0019.e254.f340 Cost 2 Port 34 (TenGigabitEthernet0/10) Hello Time 2 sec Max Age 20 sec Forward Delay 15 sec Thanks, Steve On 09/21/2011 06:17 AM, Anthony Anderberg wrote: > > > Frankly, I'm surprised at the outpouring of love for spanning-tree > > > > I don't know anyone that loves spanning-tree, most people > > have more of an abusive older-brother sort of relationship. > > > > I'd lean toward STP being a necessary evil in a L2 environment > > where physical control isn't absolute for all the reasons David > > mentioned. I also like a bunch of the things Andrew brought up, > > but don't have a good feel for what the administration would > > feel like. It seems like I've spent the last 20 years either > > being disappointed in the performance of simple designs or being > > disappointed by the unpredictability of complicated designs... > > > > Anyway, this morning I've changed the main Juniper switch bridge > > priority and it appears to have asserted itself as the root. > > Steve/Jay/Doug - can you guys confirm that things look correct > > on your switches, I'll send you the Juniper's current settings > > off-list. Beyond that we can evolve in the direction the group > > thinks is best. > > > > Cheers, > > Anthony > > > > Anthony Anderberg > > Sr. Systems Analyst > > NU-Telecom > > 320-234-5239 > > anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: Remote MICE members?

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:17:35AM +0000, Anthony Anderberg wrote: > Steve/Jay/Doug - can you guys confirm that things look correct > on your switches... The cisco 4506 was setup for portfast/bpdufilter, switching it around would take the one remaining link on it down for a short period. So right now it thinks it is root because there are no other BPDUs allowed into it.. AFAIK, it is going away as soon as SDN switches over/upgrades their link? Probably not worth the disruption at this point in time. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: Marketing Stuff

by Steve Howard

Jay, Here is a thing that one of our Marketing guys made several months ago. If anybody would be willing to offer suggestions, we'd be happy to change it. Or, if somebody wants to work on it, we can send it to them. Thanks, Steve On 09/21/2011 08:52 AM, Jay Hanke wrote: > Is someone willing to make up a one page flyer explaining MICE? It > would be handed out at trade shows etc... > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011

Marketing Stuff

by Jay Hanke

Is someone willing to make up a one page flyer explaining MICE? It would be handed out at trade shows etc... Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: Remote MICE members?

by Anthony Anderberg

> Frankly, I'm surprised at the outpouring of love for spanning-tree I don't know anyone that loves spanning-tree, most people have more of an abusive older-brother sort of relationship. I'd lean toward STP being a necessary evil in a L2 environment where physical control isn't absolute for all the reasons David mentioned. I also like a bunch of the things Andrew brought up, but don't have a good feel for what the administration would feel like. It seems like I've spent the last 20 years either being disappointed in the performance of simple designs or being disappointed by the unpredictability of complicated designs... Anyway, this morning I've changed the main Juniper switch bridge priority and it appears to have asserted itself as the root. Steve/Jay/Doug - can you guys confirm that things look correct on your switches, I'll send you the Juniper's current settings off-list. Beyond that we can evolve in the direction the group thinks is best. Cheers, Anthony Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst NU-Telecom 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: Remote MICE members?

by Andrew Hoyos

On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:18 PM, David Farmer wrote: > However, you still run spanning-tree to catch mistakes, they will happen and spanning tree will keep them from melting the network. When the network is built and is functioning as designed, spanning-tree has nothing to converge, the network has a loop free topology. In this design, spanning-tree is only there to ensure the network is actually built and actually functioning as designed. I'd somewhat agree here, *but*, there are alternatives to spanning-tree in the IX network - like storm control, limiting to 1 mac addr per port, putting naughty ports in the penalty box (err-disable/shutdown), etc. As an additional comment to my previous e-mail, I don't see issues with spanning-tree as a safety net, but then the proper steps need to be taken on the participant L2 devices to limit the interaction between the STP domains. If we have (I'm assuming) a participant Brocade l2 device acting as the STP root for the IX network, that's an issue that needs to get resolved (ie: bpdufilter towards participant ports, etc). This is an IP exchange, so we really should only be seeing unicast/mcast IP traffic, not layer2 protocols and/or broadcast traffic (save for ARP/ND packets). AMS-IX has some very good guidelines about how to get your layer2 devices to be quiet, located here: http://www.ams-ix.net/config-guide/ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: Remote MICE members?

by Jay Hanke

>> Can someone take it on to make a design recommendation? > SNIP Spanning tree love-hate Monologue Excellent! I believe you just volunteered to propose a solution! :) Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: Remote MICE members?

by Ryan Goldberg

Forwarded to my team. Nicely put. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:18 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Remote MICE members? On 9/20/11 19:54 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote: > Frankly, I'm surprised at the outpouring of love for spanning-tree on > the list. I've on more than one occasion selected a vendor with a ring > or a virtual chassis technology to avoid spanning-tree in the core. I > was also thrilled at the prospect of something like TRILL. > > Can someone take it on to make a design recommendation? Let me be clear, I don't love spanning-tree at all. But turning off spanning-tree and praying you never have a loop is worse than spanning-tree. My personal design preference is to design your network with a loop free topology at layer2. Then it is possible to run without spanning-tree. Any redundancy is provided using LAGs, GMPLS or MPLS transport technologies, not loops in the bridge topology. However, you still run spanning-tree to catch mistakes, they will happen and spanning tree will keep them from melting the network. When the network is built and is functioning as designed, spanning-tree has nothing to converge, the network has a loop free topology. In this design, spanning-tree is only there to ensure the network is actually built and actually functioning as designed. When you are driving your car, if you see head lights coming at you on the wrong side of the road, most people slow down and get ready to take the ditch. Rather than take a head on into the other guy, or into the ditch, at full speed. In this design, spanning-tree is looking for head light on the wrong side of the road, rather than assuming it will never happen, which is what you are doing if you just turn spanning-tree off. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: Remote MICE members?

by David Farmer

On 9/20/11 19:54 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote: > Frankly, I'm surprised at the outpouring of love for spanning-tree on > the list. I've on more than one occasion selected a vendor with a ring > or a virtual chassis technology to avoid spanning-tree in the core. I > was also thrilled at the prospect of something like TRILL. > > Can someone take it on to make a design recommendation? Let me be clear, I don't love spanning-tree at all. But turning off spanning-tree and praying you never have a loop is worse than spanning-tree. My personal design preference is to design your network with a loop free topology at layer2. Then it is possible to run without spanning-tree. Any redundancy is provided using LAGs, GMPLS or MPLS transport technologies, not loops in the bridge topology. However, you still run spanning-tree to catch mistakes, they will happen and spanning tree will keep them from melting the network. When the network is built and is functioning as designed, spanning-tree has nothing to converge, the network has a loop free topology. In this design, spanning-tree is only there to ensure the network is actually built and actually functioning as designed. When you are driving your car, if you see head lights coming at you on the wrong side of the road, most people slow down and get ready to take the ditch. Rather than take a head on into the other guy, or into the ditch, at full speed. In this design, spanning-tree is looking for head light on the wrong side of the road, rather than assuming it will never happen, which is what you are doing if you just turn spanning-tree off. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: Remote MICE members?

by Andrew Hoyos

On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Richard Laager wrote: > I haven't had any cross-vendor problems, even mixing RSTP and MSTP (in > configurations for which they are designed to mix). Same here, at least as it relates to standards based MST/RSTP implementations. Never had issues there. OTOH, when trying to interop between per VLAN STP implementations (like RPVST+/Cisco, and VSTP/Juniper type scenarios), things *do* get a bit dicey. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2011