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Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Mike Horwath

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:35:00AM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > I am in favor of shutting down BIRD ahead of the cutover I am as well. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 20, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Jeremy Lumby

I am in favor of shutting down BIRD ahead of the cutover -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Horwath Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:26 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Switch upgrade On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:50:00AM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > If it is done during the day, I plan on putting my BGP sessions into > shutdown the night before What if I just shut down the route servers (well, BIRD) for the duration. The routes would disappear from your networks automatically. Users doing bi-lateral may want to keep an eye on things but the multi-lateral users could be easily taken care of by doing the simple item above. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 20, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Mike Horwath

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:50:00AM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > If it is done during the day, I plan on putting my BGP sessions into > shutdown the night before What if I just shut down the route servers (well, BIRD) for the duration. The routes would disappear from your networks automatically. Users doing bi-lateral may want to keep an eye on things but the multi-lateral users could be easily taken care of by doing the simple item above. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 20, 2012

Re: MICE Finances 8/15/2012

by Mike Horwath

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:03:34PM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > As of 8/15/2012: > > Paypal $990.40 > Checking $8100 > Total Cash $9090.40 > > Liabilities: > Accounts Payable $10,015.18 > > Owners Equity: -$924.78 > > We're currently $924.78 from being break even. I'm excited to write the checks! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 20, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Jeremy Lumby

If it is done during the day, I plan on putting my BGP sessions into shutdown the night before From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:44 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Switch upgrade As with most access network and business hosting providers our lowest utilization is middle of the night which would have the lowest perceived impact. That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust BGP configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business hours is typically convenient. On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 08:19 -0500, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: Fellow Members, Anthony and I are looking for input on when to do the switch upgrade/change out. We are looking at the 30th of this month for the date of the cut. What are the general thoughts for time? Obviously during the day would be nicest for us, but we realize that may create issues for some members so we are asking for some input on a time. If your OK with a "Business Hour" cut, let us know that also. Mike Bushard, Jr ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 20, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Justin Krejci

As with most access network and business hosting providers our lowest utilization is middle of the night which would have the lowest perceived impact. That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust BGP configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business hours is typically convenient. On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 08:19 -0500, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: > Fellow Members, > > Anthony and I are looking for input on when to do the switch > upgrade/change out. We are looking at the 30th of this month for the date > of the cut. > > What are the general thoughts for time? Obviously during the day would be > nicest for us, but we realize that may create issues for some members so > we are asking for some input on a time. If your OK with a "Business Hour" > cut, let us know that also. > > Mike Bushard, Jr > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 20, 2012

Juniper Switch upgrade

by Mike Bushard, Jr

Fellow Members, Anthony and I are looking for input on when to do the switch upgrade/change out. We are looking at the 30th of this month for the date of the cut. What are the general thoughts for time? Obviously during the day would be nicest for us, but we realize that may create issues for some members so we are asking for some input on a time. If your OK with a "Business Hour" cut, let us know that also. Mike Bushard, Jr ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 20, 2012

Re: Packet loss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo

by Mike Bushard, Jr

I'd have to agree Jeremy. Phil S from 7 Sigma and I have been working on a packet loss issue between CTC and Melrose/Benton/Albany for 2-3 months. We recently started noticing packet loss between Melrose and Perham via Zayo also, but they claim they never find anything on either of the complaints. Earlier this week I got a call about another location having issues, that one looked to be a L3 to TDS issue and not Zayo, but with all this I am having second thoughts. Hopefully enough barking will convince them. Mike Bushard, Jr -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:04 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo I have a feeling it has been going on for months, today is just the first I have spent some time to gather some concrete evidence -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Anthony Anderberg Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:51 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo Mike@Arvig and I have been troubleshooting an issue since yesterday that seems like it's going to fit this thread as well. By the looks of my graphs the problem seems to clear up during low-traffic times. Does anyone have a good feel for when the issue started? Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank DiGravina Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo We also have a case with Zayo on behalf of a State of Mn connector whose traffic is losing -20% of their packets. When Zayo Bandwidth resolves our issue, it may resolve yours. Cordially, Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > I have a customer who's ISP is TTM and they are buying from Zayo, as well as Level3. My route to and from them is currently going through MICE to the GigaPOP to Onvoy/Zayo to TTM. I am experiencing about 4% packet loss to them when I take this route, as opposed to going across Level3 to get to them is clean. I can cleanly get to 69.147.218.51 however the next hop of 192.35.86.49 is showing the same 4% packet loss that I am seeing to my end customer. Can anyone help clean up this link. I love the low latency (approx 2ms) to them, however the loss is not acceptable. > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo

by Jeremy Lumby

I have a feeling it has been going on for months, today is just the first I have spent some time to gather some concrete evidence -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Anthony Anderberg Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:51 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo Mike@Arvig and I have been troubleshooting an issue since yesterday that seems like it's going to fit this thread as well. By the looks of my graphs the problem seems to clear up during low-traffic times. Does anyone have a good feel for when the issue started? Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank DiGravina Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo We also have a case with Zayo on behalf of a State of Mn connector whose traffic is losing -20% of their packets. When Zayo Bandwidth resolves our issue, it may resolve yours. Cordially, Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > I have a customer who's ISP is TTM and they are buying from Zayo, as well as Level3. My route to and from them is currently going through MICE to the GigaPOP to Onvoy/Zayo to TTM. I am experiencing about 4% packet loss to them when I take this route, as opposed to going across Level3 to get to them is clean. I can cleanly get to 69.147.218.51 however the next hop of 192.35.86.49 is showing the same 4% packet loss that I am seeing to my end customer. Can anyone help clean up this link. I love the low latency (approx 2ms) to them, however the loss is not acceptable. > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo

by Anthony Anderberg

Mike@Arvig and I have been troubleshooting an issue since yesterday that seems like it's going to fit this thread as well. By the looks of my graphs the problem seems to clear up during low-traffic times. Does anyone have a good feel for when the issue started? Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank DiGravina Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo We also have a case with Zayo on behalf of a State of Mn connector whose traffic is losing -20% of their packets. When Zayo Bandwidth resolves our issue, it may resolve yours. Cordially, Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > I have a customer who's ISP is TTM and they are buying from Zayo, as well as Level3. My route to and from them is currently going through MICE to the GigaPOP to Onvoy/Zayo to TTM. I am experiencing about 4% packet loss to them when I take this route, as opposed to going across Level3 to get to them is clean. I can cleanly get to 69.147.218.51 however the next hop of 192.35.86.49 is showing the same 4% packet loss that I am seeing to my end customer. Can anyone help clean up this link. I love the low latency (approx 2ms) to them, however the loss is not acceptable. > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 02:10:22PM -0500, Richard Laager wrote: > I didn't personally verify the reports of packet loss, but I sent a > message to the Zayo IP NOC to give them a heads-up on the issue. Would you share the output when/if you get some? -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo

by Richard Laager

On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 14:06 -0500, Steve Howard wrote: > I'm glad that you mentioned this. We received a call yesterday from a > State of MN customer who was experiencing trouble also with traffic > to/from the GigaPOP via Onvoy/Zayo. They also saw trouble at > 192.35.86.49. Seems something is broken there... I didn't personally verify the reports of packet loss, but I sent a message to the Zayo IP NOC to give them a heads-up on the issue. -- Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo

by Frank DiGravina

We also have a case with Zayo on behalf of a State of Mn connector whose traffic is losing -20% of their packets. When Zayo Bandwidth resolves our issue, it may resolve yours. Cordially, Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > I have a customer who's ISP is TTM and they are buying from Zayo, as well as Level3. My route to and from them is currently going through MICE to the GigaPOP to Onvoy/Zayo to TTM. I am experiencing about 4% packet loss to them when I take this route, as opposed to going across Level3 to get to them is clean. I can cleanly get to 69.147.218.51 however the next hop of 192.35.86.49 is showing the same 4% packet loss that I am seeing to my end customer. Can anyone help clean up this link. I love the low latency (approx 2ms) to them, however the loss is not acceptable. > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo

by Steve Howard

Jeremy, On 08/17/2012 01:45 PM, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > I have a customer who's ISP is TTM and they are buying from Zayo, as well as Level3. My route to and from them is currently going through MICE to the GigaPOP to Onvoy/Zayo to TTM. I am experiencing about 4% packet loss to them when I take this route, as opposed to going across Level3 to get to them is clean. I can cleanly get to 69.147.218.51 however the next hop of 192.35.86.49 is showing the same 4% packet loss that I am seeing to my end customer. Can anyone help clean up this link. I love the low latency (approx 2ms) to them, however the loss is not acceptable. > I'm glad that you mentioned this. We received a call yesterday from a State of MN customer who was experiencing trouble also with traffic to/from the GigaPOP via Onvoy/Zayo. They also saw trouble at 192.35.86.49. Seems something is broken there... Thanks, Steve ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2012

Packetloss between GigaPOP and Onvoy/Zayo

by Jeremy Lumby

I have a customer who's ISP is TTM and they are buying from Zayo, as well as Level3. My route to and from them is currently going through MICE to the GigaPOP to Onvoy/Zayo to TTM. I am experiencing about 4% packet loss to them when I take this route, as opposed to going across Level3 to get to them is clean. I can cleanly get to 69.147.218.51 however the next hop of 192.35.86.49 is showing the same 4% packet loss that I am seeing to my end customer. Can anyone help clean up this link. I love the low latency (approx 2ms) to them, however the loss is not acceptable. Thanks, Jeremy ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2012

MICE Finances 8/15/2012

by Jay Hanke

As of 8/15/2012: Paypal $990.40 Checking $8100 Total Cash $9090.40 Liabilities: Accounts Payable $10,015.18 Owners Equity: -$924.78 We're currently $924.78 from being break even. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 16, 2012

Re: Switches are here

by Mike Bushard Jr

Woohooo! Mike Bushard, Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile ** NEW NUMBER ** | 320-256-7555 Fax *** Please update your address book with my new work email: mike.bushard(a)arvig.com *** -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:02 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Switches are here The new MICE switches are here at my office! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 15, 2012

Switches are here

by Jay Hanke

The new MICE switches are here at my office! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 15, 2012

Re: Volunteers Needed

by Jay Hanke

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net> wrote: > Can we get two volunteers to oversee our IP address space transition > including DNS and cut plan? Doug McIntyre (ipHouse fame) and Anthony Anderberg of Nu-Telecom are going to spearhead the IP renumbering project. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 10, 2012

Volunteers Needed

by Jay Hanke

Can we get two volunteers to oversee our IP address space transition including DNS and cut plan? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 9, 2012

MICE IPv6 Address Space request Complete

by Jay Hanke

We have been assigned 2001:504:27::/48 by ARIN. http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2001-504-27-1/pft -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 9, 2012

Re: MICE UG 7 Location Confirmed

by Dan Boehlke

Wow, the cafeteria at 511 still exists? I have fond memories of the cafeteria from when MRNet was there. I had assumed it would have been turned into someone's data center. I remember a plan that never materialized to put a Green Mill in there for the dome crowd. Cool! -- Dan Boehlke 651-341-6880 On Aug 9, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: > MICE UG 7- October 3rd, 2012 at 3PM > > Location: > > 511 Cafeteria > 511 11th Ave S > Minneapolis, MN > > Since the building is secure, we'll have a preregistration so everyone > can go through security faster. > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 9, 2012

MICE UG 7 Location Confirmed

by Jay Hanke

MICE UG 7- October 3rd, 2012 at 3PM Location: 511 Cafeteria 511 11th Ave S Minneapolis, MN Since the building is secure, we'll have a preregistration so everyone can go through security faster. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 9, 2012

Re: MICE Optics

by Jay Hanke

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: > These are ADDITIONAL, correct? > Those of us that have 10G keep them. > Yes, if you made one available you still have that. Most of these are upgrades to go from 1G to 10G. HE is connected to the CNS remote switch, not the main switch. You can stay where you're at if you like. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 9, 2012

Re: MICE Optics

by Reid Fishler

These are ADDITIONAL, correct? Those of us that have 10G keep them. Reid On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net>wrote: > I have 3 10G optics spoken for: > > -Arvig > -CNS > -CDW Berbee > > I'll place the final optics order tomorrow afternoon. If you want one > please let me know. > > Thanks! > > Jay > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 9, 2012

MICE Optics

by Jay Hanke

I have 3 10G optics spoken for: -Arvig -CNS -CDW Berbee I'll place the final optics order tomorrow afternoon. If you want one please let me know. Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 9, 2012

Re: ARIN v6 Fees

by Owen DeLong

LoL... It's only the initial allocation fee... The annual $100 won't change as a result of the IPv6 assignment. However, thank you, Marty, that's very generous. Owen On Aug 8, 2012, at 19:17 , "Hannigan, Martin" <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > I'll cover this for the year. Offline. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 8, 2012, at 18:16, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: > >> I guess no initial fee wavers for assignments, only for allocations. >> We need more cash! >> >> Jay >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 9, 2012

Re: ARIN v6 Fees

by Hannigan, Martin

I'll cover this for the year. Offline. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2012, at 18:16, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: > I guess no initial fee wavers for assignments, only for allocations. > We need more cash! > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 9, 2012

Re: ARIN v6 Fees

by Owen DeLong

There was an IPv6 fee waiver (only $500 for a /48) many years ago, but it has long since expired. The good news, however, is that assignments are only $100/year regardless of how many you have. Allocations, OTOH, you pay big $$ annually. Owen On Aug 8, 2012, at 15:16 , Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net> wrote: > I guess no initial fee wavers for assignments, only for allocations. > We need more cash! > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 8, 2012

ARIN v6 Fees

by Jay Hanke

I guess no initial fee wavers for assignments, only for allocations. We need more cash! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 8, 2012

ARIN on the Road - MSP

by Frank Bulk

FYI, for those who want to learn more about ARIN or talk to their staff: https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/on-the-road/index.html#minneapolis Frank ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 7, 2012

Fwd: [arin-announce] ARIN on the Road stops in Louisville and Minneapolis this September

by David Farmer

FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [arin-announce] ARIN on the Road stops in Louisville and Minneapolis this September Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:00:04 -0400 From: ARIN <info(a)arin.net> To: arin-announce(a)arin.net We are pleased to invite you to join us for ARIN on the Road, coming soon to Louisville, Kentucky and Minneapolis, Minnesota. ARIN on the Road features great discussions, educational sessions, and networking opportunities all packed into one day. · ARIN on the Road Louisville will be on Tuesday, 11 September 2012 at The Seelbach Hilton · ARIN on the Road Minneapolis will be on Thursday, 13 September 2012 at The Hilton Garden Inn Downtown These are free events, but pre-registration is required and is available now at: https://www.arin.net/ontheroad/ ARIN on the Road Louisville and Minneapolis are going to be chock full of interesting agenda items; including the latest information on ARIN’s technical services, the status of IPv6 adoption, current ARIN policy developments, hot topics in Internet governance, and more. Got questions about how to interact with ARIN’s online services? We’ll get you up to speed and solicit discussion topics in case there is something you want to know that isn’t on the schedule. Stick around for an optional Ask ARIN session, and speak one-on-one with an ARIN staff member about requesting and managing Internet number resources, new technical developments, or policy issues. We will be serving lunch, so leave your “brown bag” at home; and if you complete a brief survey about the event, you will be entered into a drawing to win a $200 Amazon gift card. Don’t wait until it’s too late, register now! Attending ARIN on the Road is a great first step to learn how you can help steer the future of the Internet. If you know other individuals whom you feel may benefit from this unique opportunity to learn more about how ARIN operates and interacts with the Internet community, please extend this invitation to them as well. Feel free to contact us at info(a)arin.net if you have any questions. Regards, Communications and Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) _______________________________________________ ARIN-Announce You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce(a)arin.net) Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce Please contact info(a)arin.net if you experience any issues. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 7, 2012

ARIN IPv4 Allocation

by Jay Hanke

Our IPv4 ARIN block is 206.108.255.0/24 https://www.arin.net/public/secure/net/view/NET-206-108-255-0-1 -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 7, 2012

New Switch Update

by Jay Hanke

The new switches are on order. If you want to upgrade to 10G or need a fiber SFP by 8/10. We can tack on additional SFP/SFP+ modules to our stack order. These are real Juniper modules so they will be covered under the MICE support contract. Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 3, 2012

Paypal Donations

by Jay Hanke

Here's what we have so far: Hoyos Consulting- $100 Steve Ulrich (personal)- $100 Martin Hannigan (personal)- $50 MN VoIP- $150 Secure Computing Networks- $50 Gippy's Internet Solutions- $100 Compudyne- $100 After paypal fees we're at $646.80! You can donate by going to paypal and sending money to peering(a)micemn.net! Thanks! jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 2, 2012

Re: ARIN IPv4 Status

by Richard Laager

On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 22:08 -0500, Nevin Lyne wrote: > can we throw up a Paypal donate button on the MICE web site somewhere This is my fault. Jay already asked me to do this. I'll try to get it done tomorrow. Sorry for the delay. -- Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 2, 2012

Re: ARIN IPv4 Status

by Nevin Lyne

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 10:10pm, "Eric Crist" <ecrist(a)CLAIMLYNX.COM> said: > === From Jay > > For those contributing to the IP address fund (or just in general), I > set up a paypal account for MICE to receive donations. This is a > little different than what we talked about off list and should be > easier. > > peering(a)micemn.net Cool, thanks! Sent in $100 towards the IP range. Thanks for the work on this guys. -Nevin -- Nevin Lyne -- Founder / Director of Technology -- Gippy's Internet Solutions, LLC. / EngineHosting.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 2, 2012

Re: ARIN IPv4 Status

by Eric Crist

=== From Jay For those contributing to the IP address fund (or just in general), I set up a paypal account for MICE to receive donations. This is a little different than what we talked about off list and should be easier. peering(a)micemn.net If you are contributing to the switch, the amounts are a bit larger so we'll handle that as we talked about previously to avoid the fees. Jay --- Eric F Crist System Administrator ClaimLynx, Inc (952) 593-5969 x2301 On Aug 1, 2012, at 22:08:18, Nevin Lyne <nevin(a)ENGINEHOSTING.COM> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 4:49pm, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> said: > >> We've been approved for IPv4 our v4 ARIN allocation. We need money! >> >> If you pledged cash please hit the paypal account with your donation. >> If you didn't pledge, hit the paypal account with your donation. > > paypal account reminder/link, and can we throw up a Paypal donate button on the MICE web site somewhere for easy future finding or random donations? > > Thanks :) > > > -- Nevin Lyne > -- Founder / Director of Technology > -- Gippy's Internet Solutions, LLC. / EngineHosting.com > > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 2, 2012

Re: ARIN IPv4 Status

by Nevin Lyne

On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 4:49pm, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> said: > We've been approved for IPv4 our v4 ARIN allocation. We need money! > > If you pledged cash please hit the paypal account with your donation. > If you didn't pledge, hit the paypal account with your donation. paypal account reminder/link, and can we throw up a Paypal donate button on the MICE web site somewhere for easy future finding or random donations? Thanks :) -- Nevin Lyne -- Founder / Director of Technology -- Gippy's Internet Solutions, LLC. / EngineHosting.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 2, 2012

ARIN IPv4 Status

by Jay Hanke

We've been approved for IPv4 our v4 ARIN allocation. We need money! If you pledged cash please hit the paypal account with your donation. If you didn't pledge, hit the paypal account with your donation. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: IP Address Space Request

by Owen DeLong

LoL Owen On Aug 1, 2012, at 06:27 , Jake Lubitz wrote: > I liked Owen's idea of a Braveheart meme: > > http://ipstats.arvig.net/BraveHeartMEME.jpg > > IPv6 is serious business that's for sure. > > Jake > Jake Lubitz > Network Engineer | Arvig > Office: 218-346-8852 | Helpdesk: 1-877-290-0560 > Email: jake.lubitz(a)arvig.com > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: > The information contained and transmitted with this e-mail message is PRIVILEGED AND/OR CONFIDENTIAL. It is intended only for the individual or entity designated above. If you are not the named recipient of this e-mail message or have otherwise received this e-mail message in error, please delete the message immediately and notify the sender. > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 01:30:03PM -0500, Dan Boehlke wrote: > > Whew! > > > > I just wanted to say that having worked with customers of IPHouse > > and having enjoyed the excellent services of their data centers and > > network, as well as being aware of how long IPHouse has supported > > IPv6, I truly wanted Mike's message to be nothing but truly dripping > > sarcasm, but given Mike's technology leadership in the past and that > > I know several of the customers I have worked with have asked to > > have it turned off against my advice, there was a chance that Mike > > had become jaded and had turned back to IPv4 and big-NAT. > > I just read that out-loud to a good friend of mine. > > And I was out of breath. > > And I'm laughing as well. > > > I am so glad Mike is still cool and will have to name the IPv4 > > holdouts after someone else. :-) > > Well, not always cool but I do hold out that FreeBSD will overtake the > Linux kernel distributions. Some day. #oldschool #!coolkidontheblock > > Thanks for the laugh! > > -- > Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net > The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is > that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: IP Address Space Request

by Jake Lubitz

I liked Owen's idea of a Braveheart meme: http://ipstats.arvig.net/BraveHeartMEME.jpg IPv6 is serious business that's for sure. Jake *Jake Lubitz* Network Engineer | Arvig *Office: 218-346-8852* | *Helpdesk: 1-877-290-0560* Email: jake.lubitz(a)arvig.com ------------------------------ *NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY:* *The information contained and transmitted with this e-mail message is PRIVILEGED AND/OR CONFIDENTIAL. It is intended only for the individual or entity designated above. If you are not the named recipient of this e-mail message or have otherwise received this e-mail message in error, please delete the message immediately and notify the sender.* On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 01:30:03PM -0500, Dan Boehlke wrote: > > Whew! > > > > I just wanted to say that having worked with customers of IPHouse > > and having enjoyed the excellent services of their data centers and > > network, as well as being aware of how long IPHouse has supported > > IPv6, I truly wanted Mike's message to be nothing but truly dripping > > sarcasm, but given Mike's technology leadership in the past and that > > I know several of the customers I have worked with have asked to > > have it turned off against my advice, there was a chance that Mike > > had become jaded and had turned back to IPv4 and big-NAT. > > I just read that out-loud to a good friend of mine. > > And I was out of breath. > > And I'm laughing as well. > > > I am so glad Mike is still cool and will have to name the IPv4 > > holdouts after someone else. :-) > > Well, not always cool but I do hold out that FreeBSD will overtake the > Linux kernel distributions. Some day. #oldschool #!coolkidontheblock > > Thanks for the laugh! > > -- > Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net > The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is > that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 1, 2012

Re: Switch Support options

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 01:22:14PM -0500, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: > Exactly. Spares are faster than pretty much all same day I have saw anyway. And with this HW, you could actually make them hot and have MC-LAG groups for additional port-fees for those that want that level of connectivity. Then just keep in mind that we need enough ports free for an emergancy cut. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 31, 2012

Re: IP Address Space Request

by Mike Horwath

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 01:30:03PM -0500, Dan Boehlke wrote: > Whew! > > I just wanted to say that having worked with customers of IPHouse > and having enjoyed the excellent services of their data centers and > network, as well as being aware of how long IPHouse has supported > IPv6, I truly wanted Mike's message to be nothing but truly dripping > sarcasm, but given Mike's technology leadership in the past and that > I know several of the customers I have worked with have asked to > have it turned off against my advice, there was a chance that Mike > had become jaded and had turned back to IPv4 and big-NAT. I just read that out-loud to a good friend of mine. And I was out of breath. And I'm laughing as well. > I am so glad Mike is still cool and will have to name the IPv4 > holdouts after someone else. :-) Well, not always cool but I do hold out that FreeBSD will overtake the Linux kernel distributions. Some day. #oldschool #!coolkidontheblock Thanks for the laugh! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 31, 2012

Re: IP Address Space Request

by Dan Boehlke

Whew! I just wanted to say that having worked with customers of IPHouse and having enjoyed the excellent services of their data centers and network, as well as being aware of how long IPHouse has supported IPv6, I truly wanted Mike's message to be nothing but truly dripping sarcasm, but given Mike's technology leadership in the past and that I know several of the customers I have worked with have asked to have it turned off against my advice, there was a chance that Mike had become jaded and had turned back to IPv4 and big-NAT. I am so glad Mike is still cool and will have to name the IPv4 holdouts after someone else. :-) -- Dan Boehlke Sr. Network Engineer TIES Technical Services dan.boehlke(a)ties.k12.mn.us 651-999-6213 www.ties.k12.mn.us On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:55:23AM -0500, Nevin Lyne wrote: >> Welcome to Monday. > > I should do this more often, if just to throw a wrench into that > statement (which made me laugh). > > DNS servers live on 2010/04/02 > Main website live on 2010/10/06 > > But that's out of logs, I think we had working stuff for ipHouse > dating back to 2006 or earlier. Doug? Care to correct me and give me > working dates for IPv6? (routers were working far earlier) > > Everyone - I'm sorry for adding stress to your Monday, we are big > users of IPv6 over here. > > iphouse.net: 107 records (and growing) > iphouse.com: 31 records (public facing items for customers) > > and of course the customer allocations that I can't divulge. > > And other fun items: > > geeks.org: 25 records (personal domain) > [xxx].[tld]: 40 records (test domain we don't expose) > berg.org: 7 records (hi Jeremy) > > -- > Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net > The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is > that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 31, 2012

Re: Switch Support options

by Mike Bushard, Jr

Exactly. Spares are faster than pretty much all same day I have saw anyway. Mike Bushard, Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile ** NEW NUMBER ** | 320-256-7555 Fax *** Please update your address book with my new work email: mike.bushard(a)arvig.com *** -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:25 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Switch Support options I would rather see us spare than pay for same-day. I realize we don't have enough money to do that now, but for the annual difference, we can get there fairly quickly. Owen On Jul 31, 2012, at 08:47 , Jay Hanke wrote: >>> We have pledges of $8100 for the switch fund, the any remaining >>> balance will go into the general fund (IP addresses, Insurance, etc). >> >> Are you saying we have enough money now for doing same day service? > > Yes but then we will be short of money for IP > addresses/Insurance/legal or whatever else. > > It would really be nice to have a little reserve... > > Jay > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 31, 2012

Re: Switch Support options

by Owen DeLong

I would rather see us spare than pay for same-day. I realize we don't have enough money to do that now, but for the annual difference, we can get there fairly quickly. Owen On Jul 31, 2012, at 08:47 , Jay Hanke wrote: >>> We have pledges of $8100 for the switch fund, the any remaining >>> balance will go into the general fund (IP addresses, Insurance, etc). >> >> Are you saying we have enough money now for doing same day service? > > Yes but then we will be short of money for IP > addresses/Insurance/legal or whatever else. > > It would really be nice to have a little reserve... > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 31, 2012

Re: Switch Support options

by Mike Horwath

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 03:55:28PM +0000, Anthony Anderberg wrote: > I'd say that at this early stage in MICE's life we're better off > keeping our re-occurring expenses as low as we can, but it could be > worth some discussion about member's expectations. And fees. Call me Mr. Pay For Things if you want, I won't mind. Jay - let's you and I hash out some stuff and send off our stuff to Reid and have another discussion, and give to members before the UG and have an open discussion there. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 31, 2012

Re: Switch Support options

by Anthony Anderberg

I'd say that at this early stage in MICE's life we're better off keeping our re-occurring expenses as low as we can, but it could be worth some discussion about member's expectations. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 31, 2012

Re: Switch Support options

by Jay Hanke

>> We have pledges of $8100 for the switch fund, the any remaining >> balance will go into the general fund (IP addresses, Insurance, etc). > > Are you saying we have enough money now for doing same day service? Yes but then we will be short of money for IP addresses/Insurance/legal or whatever else. It would really be nice to have a little reserve... Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 31, 2012