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Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Mike Horwath

On 5/13/11 11:09 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:46 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >> On 5/13/11 10:43 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >> >> >On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >> >> On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >> >> >> >> >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or >>route >> >> >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in >>setting >> >> >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. >>They >> >>are >> >> >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. >> >> >> >> You are correct, there isn't. >> >> >> >> This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics >>easily >> >> enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. >> >> >> > >> >Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most >> >(all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around >> >Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows >> >of a really great and flexible LG app. >> >> Yah, that was my finding as well. >> >> >Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck >>in >> >the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet >> >accessible route server as well. >> >> There will be a Juniper in place soon - once that is done, we can look >>at >> putting it into the 'route' subsystem (this is *not* a requirement for >> operation of the peering point, in fact, it could create other issues if >> something breaks) but we could then query that for data. > >If there will be a Juniper router already going into the network anyways >that would certainly work I should think. Then it can be polled by the >existing stats server you mentioned. ...for a looking glass system. (finishing your sentence :) >> > >> >ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and >> >cli) included. >> >>>http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenB >>>SD >> >+Current&arch=amd64&apropos=1&format=html >> >> We aren't using OpenBSD anywhere though...we are using BIRD. > >A small OpenBSD server, even a small Soekris style box, can still suck >up a read-only copy of the routes from the route servers via BGP. No >real maintenance or overhead once its up and running. The only real >difference between something like this and using a C/J would be that >OBSD has all of the tools built in already, so it's a matter of >convenience and the general dependable security of an OBSD system. I >have a such Soekris box with a flash drive I could donate to the cause >as I've been looking for something to do with it besides accessorize my >desk. I only mention this as an option as I have used OBSD for a long >time and am familiar with it and it would meet the needs from what I can >see. Sorry, I was being flippant with my comment. I'll be direct: no hackery When the new Juniper systems are in place, hopefully they are licensed for BGP, and if that is the case, we can query that with a looking glass system and use the current stats server to handle this. If this does *not* happen then we need to research another solution. Additional hardware should *not* be needed at all. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Justin Krejci

On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:46 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: > On 5/13/11 10:43 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > > >On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: > >> On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > >> > >> >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route > >> >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting > >> >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They > >>are > >> >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. > >> > >> You are correct, there isn't. > >> > >> This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics easily > >> enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. > >> > > > >Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most > >(all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around > >Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows > >of a really great and flexible LG app. > > Yah, that was my finding as well. > > >Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck in > >the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet > >accessible route server as well. > > There will be a Juniper in place soon - once that is done, we can look at > putting it into the 'route' subsystem (this is *not* a requirement for > operation of the peering point, in fact, it could create other issues if > something breaks) but we could then query that for data. If there will be a Juniper router already going into the network anyways that would certainly work I should think. Then it can be polled by the existing stats server you mentioned. > > > >ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and > >cli) included. > >http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD > >+Current&arch=amd64&apropos=1&format=html > > We aren't using OpenBSD anywhere though...we are using BIRD. A small OpenBSD server, even a small Soekris style box, can still suck up a read-only copy of the routes from the route servers via BGP. No real maintenance or overhead once its up and running. The only real difference between something like this and using a C/J would be that OBSD has all of the tools built in already, so it's a matter of convenience and the general dependable security of an OBSD system. I have a such Soekris box with a flash drive I could donate to the cause as I've been looking for something to do with it besides accessorize my desk. I only mention this as an option as I have used OBSD for a long time and am familiar with it and it would meet the needs from what I can see. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Mike Horwath

On 5/13/11 10:43 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >> On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >> >> >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route >> >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting >> >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They >>are >> >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. >> >> You are correct, there isn't. >> >> This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics easily >> enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. >> > >Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most >(all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around >Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows >of a really great and flexible LG app. Yah, that was my finding as well. >Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck in >the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet >accessible route server as well. There will be a Juniper in place soon - once that is done, we can look at putting it into the 'route' subsystem (this is *not* a requirement for operation of the peering point, in fact, it could create other issues if something breaks) but we could then query that for data. > >ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and >cli) included. >http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD >+Current&arch=amd64&apropos=1&format=html We aren't using OpenBSD anywhere though...we are using BIRD. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Justin Krejci

On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: > On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > > >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route > >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting > >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They are > >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. > > You are correct, there isn't. > > This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics easily > enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. > Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most (all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows of a really great and flexible LG app. Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck in the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet accessible route server as well. ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and cli) included. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+… ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Mike Horwath

On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They are >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. You are correct, there isn't. This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics easily enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Next MICE UG

by Mike Horwath

On 5/12/11 4:03 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >I was disappointed last time with the turnout at the social. If there >are things we can do to improve the participation at the social please >let me know! I think the social would go better if it were a place where everyone could be more together. And beer. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Justin Krejci

As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They are quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Re: Next MICE UG

by Owen DeLong

On May 12, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Jay Hanke wrote: > The time has come to begin planning the next UG. I think having the > speaker at the last meeting was a huge success. > Why thank you. I enjoyed it as well. Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Juniper EX Training/Staging

by Jay Hanke

All, Juniper will be coming to Minneapolis June 2nd at 2 PM to give technical training on the new core MICE switches. The training will be in Minneapolis. If you're interested in attending please email me so I can make sure there is enough space. Thanks, Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Next MICE UG

by Jay Hanke

The time has come to begin planning the next UG. I think having the speaker at the last meeting was a huge success. Does anyone have ideas for speakers or topics? I heard Root DNS talked about. I also heard MN Internet History talked about... Also, it might be worthwhile to give some short network introductions. Maybe 2 or 3 participants each meeting? I was disappointed last time with the turnout at the social. If there are things we can do to improve the participation at the social please let me know! Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011