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Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
by Michael Hare
While 200G isn’t small to us, it is very small to them. That’s one middle size PNI peer for them in the Chicago market.
AS3128 was affected by the Google MICE IX depeering and while I didn’t like it, they did provide us an alternative in the Minneapolis area that we decided to decline.
-Michael
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:18 PM
To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
What bothers me the most is Google has a habit of always saying that Minneapolis is a small market, and they cannot justify building out a node here. However every intermediate thing that they do fills to capacity shortly after they turn it up, so it definitely does not match their perception of the local market.
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Anthony Anderberg
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:13 PM
To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
Ah yes, the “congratulations you qualify to spend your money to make our life easier” emails… know them well. :-)
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Ben Wiechman <0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote:
They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago.
Ben Wiechman
Director of Network Strategy and Engineering
320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com>
Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/arvig.com__;!!Mak6IKo!IgzwFPWYeQyvY7nRsO2…>
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com<mailto:coreyhauer@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions.
It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum.
Corey
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg <AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@nuvera.net>> wrote:
Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already done so.
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM>>
Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>>
Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM
To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>>
Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
They did it to MICE back in December
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Richard Laager
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM
To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here?
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:
Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd)
Date:
Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
From:
Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net><mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net>
To:
members(a)seattleix.net<mailto:members@seattleix.net>
FYI from Google...
Chris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700
From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com><mailto:peering-ops@google.com>
To: info(a)seattleix.net<mailto:info@seattleix.net>
Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
Dear Internet Exchange,
As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks.
We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/isp.google.com/iwantpeering__;!!Mak6IKo!…>
We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so.
Sincerely,
Google Network Operations
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April 5, 2024
Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
by Jeremy Lumby
What bothers me the most is Google has a habit of always saying that Minneapolis is a small market, and they cannot justify building out a node here. However every intermediate thing that they do fills to capacity shortly after they turn it up, so it definitely does not match their perception of the local market.
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Anthony Anderberg
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 4:13 PM
To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
Ah yes, the “congratulations you qualify to spend your money to make our life easier” emails… know them well. :-)
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Ben Wiechman <0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net <mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net> > wrote:
They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago.
Ben Wiechman
Director of Network Strategy and Engineering
320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com>
Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com <http://arvig.com>
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com <mailto:coreyhauer@gmail.com> > wrote:
I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions.
It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum.
Corey
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg <AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@nuvera.net> > wrote:
Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already done so.
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM <mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM> >
Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >
Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM
To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >
Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
They did it to MICE back in December
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Richard Laager
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM
To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here?
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:
Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd)
Date:
Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
From:
Chris Caputo <mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net>
To:
members(a)seattleix.net <mailto:members@seattleix.net>
FYI from Google...
Chris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700
From: Google Peering Operations <mailto:peering-ops@google.com> <peering-ops(a)google.com>
To: info(a)seattleix.net <mailto:info@seattleix.net>
Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
Dear Internet Exchange,
As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks.
We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering
We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so.
Sincerely,
Google Network Operations
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April 4, 2024
Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
by Anthony Anderberg
Ah yes, the “congratulations you qualify to spend your money to make our life easier” emails… know them well. :-)
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Ben Wiechman <0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote:
They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago.
Ben Wiechman
Director of Network Strategy and Engineering
320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com>
Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<http://arvig.com>
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com<mailto:coreyhauer@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions.
It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum.
Corey
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg <AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@nuvera.net>> wrote:
Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already done so.
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM>>
Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>>
Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM
To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>>
Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
They did it to MICE back in December
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Richard Laager
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM
To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here?
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:
Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd)
Date:
Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
From:
Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net><mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net>
To:
members(a)seattleix.net<mailto:members@seattleix.net>
FYI from Google...
Chris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700
From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com><mailto:peering-ops@google.com>
To: info(a)seattleix.net<mailto:info@seattleix.net>
Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
Dear Internet Exchange,
As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks.
We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering
We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so.
Sincerely,
Google Network Operations
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April 4, 2024
Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
by Ben Wiechman
They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago.
Ben Wiechman
Director of Network Strategy and Engineering
320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com
Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it.
> Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions.
>
> It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes
> near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that
> missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding
> their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum.
>
> Corey
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg <
> AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to
>> create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already
>> done so.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of
>> Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM>
>> *Reply-To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM
>> *To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
>> *Subject: *Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for
>> Route-Servers in your IX
>>
>>
>>
>> They did it to MICE back in December
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Richard
>> Laager
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM
>> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
>> *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for
>> Route-Servers in your IX
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same
>> thing here?
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>
>> *Subject: *
>>
>> Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd)
>>
>> *Date: *
>>
>> Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
>>
>> *From: *
>>
>> Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net>
>>
>> *To: *
>>
>> members(a)seattleix.net
>>
>>
>>
>> FYI from Google...
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700
>> From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com>
>> <peering-ops(a)google.com>
>> To: info(a)seattleix.net
>> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
>>
>> Dear Internet Exchange,
>>
>> As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase
>> routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix
>> information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with
>> the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the
>> change in your IX in the next few weeks.
>>
>> We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral
>> sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that
>> rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session
>> request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering
>>
>> We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these
>> future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they
>> desire to do so.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Google Network Operations
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
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>>
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April 4, 2024
Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
by Corey Hauer
I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. Thanks
for the link to establish bilateral sessions.
It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes near-maxed
90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that missed this
change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding their MICE
capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum.
Corey
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg <
AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net> wrote:
> Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to
> create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already
> done so.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jeremy
> Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM>
> *Reply-To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
> *Date: *Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM
> *To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
> *Subject: *Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for
> Route-Servers in your IX
>
>
>
> They did it to MICE back in December
>
>
>
> *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Richard
> Laager
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM
> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
> *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers
> in your IX
>
>
>
> I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same
> thing here?
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>
> *Subject: *
>
> Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd)
>
> *Date: *
>
> Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
>
> *From: *
>
> Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net>
>
> *To: *
>
> members(a)seattleix.net
>
>
>
> FYI from Google...
>
> Chris
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700
> From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com>
> <peering-ops(a)google.com>
> To: info(a)seattleix.net
> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
>
> Dear Internet Exchange,
>
> As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase
> routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix
> information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with
> the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the
> change in your IX in the next few weeks.
>
> We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral
> sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that
> rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session
> request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering
>
> We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these
> future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they
> desire to do so.
>
> Sincerely,
> Google Network Operations
>
>
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April 3, 2024
Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
by Anthony Anderberg
Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already done so.
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM>
Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM
To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>
Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
They did it to MICE back in December
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM
To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here?
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:
Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd)
Date:
Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
From:
Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net><mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net>
To:
members(a)seattleix.net<mailto:members@seattleix.net>
FYI from Google...
Chris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700
From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com><mailto:peering-ops@google.com>
To: info(a)seattleix.net<mailto:info@seattleix.net>
Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
Dear Internet Exchange,
As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks.
We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering
We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so.
Sincerely,
Google Network Operations
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Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
by Jeremy Lumby
They did it to MICE back in December
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM
To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET
Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here?
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:
Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd)
Date:
Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
From:
Chris Caputo <mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net>
To:
members(a)seattleix.net <mailto:members@seattleix.net>
FYI from Google...
Chris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700
From: Google Peering Operations <mailto:peering-ops@google.com> <peering-ops(a)google.com>
To: info(a)seattleix.net <mailto:info@seattleix.net>
Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
Dear Internet Exchange,
As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks.
We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering
We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so.
Sincerely,
Google Network Operations
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April 3, 2024
Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
by Reid Fishler
I believe its internet-wide.
Reid
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 3:32 PM Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote:
> I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same
> thing here?
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd)
> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net>
> To: members(a)seattleix.net
>
> FYI from Google...
>
> Chris
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700
> From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com>
> <peering-ops(a)google.com>
> To: info(a)seattleix.net
> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
>
> Dear Internet Exchange,
>
> As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase
> routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix
> information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with
> the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the
> change in your IX in the next few weeks.
>
> We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral
> sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that
> rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session
> request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering
>
> We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these
> future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they
> desire to do so.
>
> Sincerely,
> Google Network Operations
>
> ------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:
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>
--
Reid Fishler
Senior Director
Hurricane Electric
+1-510-580-4178
April 3, 2024
Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
by Richard Laager
I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the
same thing here?
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
From: Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net>
To: members(a)seattleix.net
FYI from Google...
Chris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700
From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com>
To: info(a)seattleix.net
Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX
Dear Internet Exchange,
As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase
routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving
prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP
session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning
to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks.
We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral
sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that
rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session
request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering
We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these
future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they
desire to do so.
Sincerely,
Google Network Operations
April 3, 2024
Please welcome MIDnet LLC Network to MICE!
by Jeremy Lumby
Name: MIDnet LLC
Switch: NOCIX
Ports: E 5/16
ASN: 16970
IPv4: 206.108.255.230/24
IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:424A::1/64
Peering Contact: noc(a)mid.net
Route Servers: YES
Welcome Aboard!
Jeremy Lumby
Minnesota VoIP
9217 17th Ave S #216
Bloomington, MN 55425
Main: 612-355-7740
Direct: 612-392-6814
Fax: 952-873-7425
jlumby(a)mnvoip.com
March 29, 2024