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Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Mike Bushard, Jr

I typically would agree Owen, but in this case it may make sense. Everyone will be down already, and we won't have multiple outages to the entire exchange for IP changes. There will be a considerable amount of work if everyone changes addressing on different schedules. I think just saying that on day x we are on the long term strategy will save time in this case. Our topology is pretty basic today so I think the rick would be minimal at this time. Mike Bushard, Jr -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:38 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Switch upgrade As tempting as it is, I would suggest... NO! Multiple changes at the same time are rarely a good idea on critical infrastructure. You end up not knowing which change broke what when it comes time to troubleshoot. While overlapping problems are unlikely in this case, I would say it's still best to do the renumbering as more of an over-time process. There's no reason to do renumbering as a flag day. Owen On Aug 21, 2012, at 12:28 , Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)IPHOUSE.NET> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:51:10AM -0500, Mike Horwath wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:43:43AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: >>> That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust >>> BGP configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business >>> hours is typically convenient. >> >> A shutdown of the routing daemons on the reflectors should take care >> of things and no manual BGP configuratin adjustments are needed. > > Do we want to maybe do the big renumbering at the same time as this > switch swapout too? Since things are going to be down, everybody stays > down until they manually redo their interface and BGP configurations > after the switch change? > > Or do we want to do it more gradually? > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Owen DeLong

As a follow-on, I'll propose a suggested renumbering process... 1. Provide new addresses to all participants. 2. Each participant adds new addresses to their routers in accordance with their internal maintenance procedures and announces their readiness to cut over peering sessions. 3. Each participant reviews all announcements prior to theirs from the list and takes responsibility for contacting those peers that have previously announced and cutting over their peering sessions on a schedule by mutual agreement. 4. Once more than 50% of participants have announced readiness with the new addresses, a flag day for deprecating the old addresses can be projected and determined by the board, announced on this list. The remaining stragglers have until that flag day to cut over their peering sessions. In this way, there's an incentive to do your cutover as early as possible (then you can sit back and cut over peering sessions as your peers become ready, instead of having to reach out to each and every one of them). Additionally, it provides for cutting peering sessions over in a controlled manner without requiring any downtime and still on a fairly aggressive time table. Thoughts? Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Owen DeLong

As tempting as it is, I would suggest... NO! Multiple changes at the same time are rarely a good idea on critical infrastructure. You end up not knowing which change broke what when it comes time to troubleshoot. While overlapping problems are unlikely in this case, I would say it's still best to do the renumbering as more of an over-time process. There's no reason to do renumbering as a flag day. Owen On Aug 21, 2012, at 12:28 , Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)IPHOUSE.NET> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:51:10AM -0500, Mike Horwath wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:43:43AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: >>> That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust BGP >>> configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business hours is >>> typically convenient. >> >> A shutdown of the routing daemons on the reflectors should take care >> of things and no manual BGP configuratin adjustments are needed. > > Do we want to maybe do the big renumbering at the same time as this > switch swapout too? Since things are going to be down, everybody stays > down until they manually redo their interface and BGP configurations > after the switch change? > > Or do we want to do it more gradually? > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Mike Bushard, Jr

May as well get it all over with if we can. Mike Bushard, Jr | Network Engineer IV | *Arvig* | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile ** NEW NUMBER ** | 320-256-7555 Fax [image: Description: Description: http://ipstats.arvig.net/arviglogo.jpeg] *** Please update your address book with my new work email: mike.bushard(a)arvig.com *** *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf Of *Brian Mort *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:47 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Switch upgrade 2nd On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: I am in favor of doing it all at once -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Doug McIntyre Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:29 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Switch upgrade On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:51:10AM -0500, Mike Horwath wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:43:43AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > > That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust > > BGP configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business > > hours is typically convenient. > > A shutdown of the routing daemons on the reflectors should take care > of things and no manual BGP configuratin adjustments are needed. Do we want to maybe do the big renumbering at the same time as this switch swapout too? Since things are going to be down, everybody stays down until they manually redo their interface and BGP configurations after the switch change? Or do we want to do it more gradually? -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Brian Mort Network Engineer IV (ENA,ENS,ECDP) visit our website: arvig <http://www.arvig.com> (218) 346-8231 brian.mort(a)arvig.com ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Anthony Anderberg

Doing everything at once certainly does solve a whole bunch of logistical problems, if we all are looking at it at (roughly) the same time we can probably make short work of it. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Doug McIntyre Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:29 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Switch upgrade On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:51:10AM -0500, Mike Horwath wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:43:43AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > > That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust > > BGP configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business > > hours is typically convenient. > > A shutdown of the routing daemons on the reflectors should take care > of things and no manual BGP configuratin adjustments are needed. Do we want to maybe do the big renumbering at the same time as this switch swapout too? Since things are going to be down, everybody stays down until they manually redo their interface and BGP configurations after the switch change? Or do we want to do it more gradually? -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Brian Mort

2nd On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am in favor of doing it all at once > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Doug McIntyre > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:29 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Switch upgrade > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:51:10AM -0500, Mike Horwath wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:43:43AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > > > That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust > > > BGP configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business > > > hours is typically convenient. > > > > A shutdown of the routing daemons on the reflectors should take care > > of things and no manual BGP configuratin adjustments are needed. > > Do we want to maybe do the big renumbering at the same time as this switch > swapout too? Since things are going to be down, everybody stays down until > they manually redo their interface and BGP configurations after the switch > change? > > Or do we want to do it more gradually? > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Brian Mort Network Engineer IV (ENA,ENS,ECDP) visit our website: arvig <http://www.arvig.com> (218) 346-8231 brian.mort(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Jeremy Lumby

I am in favor of doing it all at once -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Doug McIntyre Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:29 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Switch upgrade On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:51:10AM -0500, Mike Horwath wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:43:43AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > > That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust > > BGP configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business > > hours is typically convenient. > > A shutdown of the routing daemons on the reflectors should take care > of things and no manual BGP configuratin adjustments are needed. Do we want to maybe do the big renumbering at the same time as this switch swapout too? Since things are going to be down, everybody stays down until they manually redo their interface and BGP configurations after the switch change? Or do we want to do it more gradually? -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Doug McIntyre

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:51:10AM -0500, Mike Horwath wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:43:43AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > > That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust BGP > > configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business hours is > > typically convenient. > > A shutdown of the routing daemons on the reflectors should take care > of things and no manual BGP configuratin adjustments are needed. Do we want to maybe do the big renumbering at the same time as this switch swapout too? Since things are going to be down, everybody stays down until they manually redo their interface and BGP configurations after the switch change? Or do we want to do it more gradually? -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 21, 2012

Re: MICE Finances 8/15/2012

by Steve Howard

Jay, On 08/15/2012 11:03 PM, Jay Hanke wrote: > As of 8/15/2012: > > Paypal $990.40 > Checking $8100 > Total Cash $9090.40 > > Liabilities: > Accounts Payable $10,015.18 > > Owners Equity: -$924.78 > > We're currently $924.78 from being break even. > CNS will donate $500.00 Paul Bunyan will donate $500.00 That should get us to break even! Thanks, Steve ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 20, 2012

Re: Juniper Switch upgrade

by Mike Horwath

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:43:43AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > That said any time can be convenient if we have some time to adjust BGP > configs to move traffic away in advance, which during business hours is > typically convenient. A shutdown of the routing daemons on the reflectors should take care of things and no manual BGP configuratin adjustments are needed. Even in a bi-lateral peering arrangement this shouldn't be needed. > On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 08:19 -0500, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: > > > Fellow Members, > > > > Anthony and I are looking for input on when to do the switch > > upgrade/change out. We are looking at the 30th of this month for the date > > of the cut. > > > > What are the general thoughts for time? Obviously during the day would be > > nicest for us, but we realize that may create issues for some members so > > we are asking for some input on a time. If your OK with a "Business Hour" > > cut, let us know that also. > > > > Mike Bushard, Jr > > > > ######################################################################## > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 20, 2012