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Re: MICE marketing

by Jay Hanke

I think this is just a matter of giving access to the api in ixp manager. I will take a look and follow up with pch. On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 11:01 PM Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > We are in the process of converting to IXP Manager. Will that provide the > data you need? If so, then it’s not likely worth fiddling with much more > now. > > If IXP Manager won’t provide the data, then it sounds like we should add > the average to the graph? > > -- > Richard > > > On Mar 11, 2022, at 22:50, Bill Woodcock <woody(a)pch.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:53 AM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > >> > >> https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir lists "Midwest Internet Cooperative > Exchange" as having an average of 1K of traffic. > > > > Ah, you changed your traffic graph URL. I’ve updated to your new URL, > and the new numbers should be reflected immediately. Also, the graph you > produce doesn’t show your average (which is the only > economically-significant number), and we’re in the process of rewriting our > code (which broke) that calculates average values from graph bitmaps, and > if you’re making your raw data available, we don’t have a URL for it… > Everything goes smoothest when we can pull raw data rather than scraping > from the bitmap. With 800 IXPs to collect data from every day, the ones > that are fully automated scale well, but the ones that require a human > being to go do something don’t scale well for us, since we’re only about > twenty people. > > > > -Bill > > >

March 12, 2022

Re: MICE marketing

by Richard Laager

We are in the process of converting to IXP Manager. Will that provide the data you need? If so, then it’s not likely worth fiddling with much more now. If IXP Manager won’t provide the data, then it sounds like we should add the average to the graph? -- Richard > On Mar 11, 2022, at 22:50, Bill Woodcock <woody(a)pch.net> wrote: > > > >> On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:53 AM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: >> >> https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir lists "Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange" as having an average of 1K of traffic. > > Ah, you changed your traffic graph URL. I’ve updated to your new URL, and the new numbers should be reflected immediately. Also, the graph you produce doesn’t show your average (which is the only economically-significant number), and we’re in the process of rewriting our code (which broke) that calculates average values from graph bitmaps, and if you’re making your raw data available, we don’t have a URL for it… Everything goes smoothest when we can pull raw data rather than scraping from the bitmap. With 800 IXPs to collect data from every day, the ones that are fully automated scale well, but the ones that require a human being to go do something don’t scale well for us, since we’re only about twenty people. > > -Bill >

March 12, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by Richard Laager

On 3/11/22 20:08, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > It could be something as simple as Topic X was discussed, and will be > continued at another time, or Topic Y was discussed, and the final > (summary) opinion of each board member is… I think it would be good to start doing something like that. -- Richard

March 12, 2022

Re: MICE marketing

by Richard Laager

I emailed Bill Woodcock at PCH. Hopefully PCH can update that. On 3/11/22 16:04, Miles McCredie wrote: > > One other comment on the marketing side – It would be handy to have > PCH update > https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir#!mt-filters=%7B%22ctry%22%3A%5B%22dropdown%22%2…. > > I received a snarky comment from someone about the 1Kbps average > traffic that they are showing. > > > > **Miles McCredie* * > Network Engineer - Architect > > Office: 6052755192 > Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com > > *Midco.com* > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > -- Richard

March 12, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by Jeremy Lumby

While I can understand that formal minutes may imply too much detail/work, there needs to be a middle ground so that the members can see how the people they elected to represent them are doing so. I am open to suggestions. It could be something as simple as Topic X was discussed, and will be continued at another time, or Topic Y was discussed, and the final (summary) opinion of each board member is… Having this final outcome in mind might actually help get the conversation towards an outcome so that things do not go around in circles for 3 hours. Alternate suggestions are welcomed. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 7:27 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Board Minutes Board meetings are just not always formal...having to have minutes of them would be difficult. We had a 3 hour long conference call about things a week ago...if we had to keep minutes on that, it would have been a nightmare. Reid On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:22 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: Since we did not have much open discussion time at the end of today's meeting, I wanted to propose a change for the procedure that the board follows. I propose that the board start taking, and publishing minutes from board meetings. This would allow the membership to see how the board members were voting/representing their interests. It would also be invaluable information for the voting members to have in the event that we ever had a contested election again. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com -- Reid Fishler Senior Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 12, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by Reid Fishler

Board meetings are just not always formal...having to have minutes of them would be difficult. We had a 3 hour long conference call about things a week ago...if we had to keep minutes on that, it would have been a nightmare. Reid On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:22 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > Since we did not have much open discussion time at the end of today's > meeting, I wanted to propose a change for the procedure that the board > follows. I propose that the board start taking, and publishing minutes > from board meetings. This would allow the membership to see how the board > members were voting/representing their interests. It would also be > invaluable information for the voting members to have in the event that we > ever had a contested election again. > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S #216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > M: 612-355-7740 > D: 612-392-6814 > F: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > -- Reid Fishler Senior Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

March 12, 2022

Board Minutes

by Jeremy Lumby

Since we did not have much open discussion time at the end of today's meeting, I wanted to propose a change for the procedure that the board follows. I propose that the board start taking, and publishing minutes from board meetings. This would allow the membership to see how the board members were voting/representing their interests. It would also be invaluable information for the voting members to have in the event that we ever had a contested election again. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

March 12, 2022

MICE UG40 Minutes

by AnthonyAnderberg＠nuvera.net

One correction from the meeting: In the treasurers report I stated that we’d reimbursed Richard Laager $2704.44 for new server hardware, I was reading the wrong column in the report - the amount reimbursed was actually $1576.65. I’ve updated these notes to correct that, as always let me know if anyone sees anything else wrong or silly. Cheers, anthony

March 12, 2022

Please welcome StackPath to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: StackPath Switch: MICE Core Port: 3/27/1 -> Po21 & 6/20/1 -> Po25 ASN: 33438 IPv4: 206.108.255.189/24 & 206.108.255.190/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:829E::1/64 & 2001:504:27:0:0:829E::2/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)stackpath.com Route Servers: YES BFD: No Welcome Aboard! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

March 12, 2022

MICE marketing

by Miles McCredie

One other comment on the marketing side - It would be handy to have PCH update https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir#!mt-filters=%7B%22ctry%22%3A%5B%22dropdown%22%2…. I received a snarky comment from someone about the 1Kbps average traffic that they are showing. [http://images.midcocomm.com/ES_MidcoLogo.png] Miles McCredie Network Engineer - Architect Office: 6052755192 Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com Midco.com

March 11, 2022

MICE UG 40 Today at 3:00 PM

by Richard Laager

Reminder: MICE UG 40 is today at 3:00 PM: https://meet.google.com/zgg-eeyu-dxz It is critical that we meet quorum, as the main purpose of this meeting is to get the bylaws changes voted upon. I promise the meeting will be fast. I'm doing it during my kids' nap. :) I'd like to keep it to an hour. -- Richard

March 11, 2022

Re: [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE RS3 Removal

by Miles McCredie

Thanks, I'll turn down those sessions this week. Miles McCredie Network Engineer - Architect Office: 6052755192 Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com Midco.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 12:37 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE RS3 Removal Yes, those addresses are correct. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Miles McCredie Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2022 12:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE RS3 Removal Does RS3 have the following addresses? 206.108.255.229 2001:504:27::d1af:0:3 Thanks Miles McCredie Network Engineer - Architect Office: 6052755192 Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com Midco.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 10:48 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE RS3 Removal CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MIDCO. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. The MICE RS3 route server in Albert Lea will be removed from service on 3/18/2022. Please turn down any remaining BGP sessions used for testing. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 9, 2022

Re: [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE RS3 Removal

by Jeremy Lumby

Yes, those addresses are correct. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Miles McCredie Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2022 12:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE RS3 Removal Does RS3 have the following addresses? 206.108.255.229 2001:504:27::d1af:0:3 Thanks Miles McCredie Network Engineer - Architect Office: 6052755192 Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com Midco.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 10:48 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE RS3 Removal CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MIDCO. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. The MICE RS3 route server in Albert Lea will be removed from service on 3/18/2022. Please turn down any remaining BGP sessions used for testing. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 9, 2022

Re: [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE RS3 Removal

by Miles McCredie

Does RS3 have the following addresses? 206.108.255.229 2001:504:27::d1af:0:3 Thanks Miles McCredie Network Engineer - Architect Office: 6052755192 Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com Midco.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 10:48 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE RS3 Removal CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MIDCO. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. The MICE RS3 route server in Albert Lea will be removed from service on 3/18/2022. Please turn down any remaining BGP sessions used for testing. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 9, 2022

MICE RS3 Removal

by Jay Hanke

The MICE RS3 route server in Albert Lea will be removed from service on 3/18/2022. Please turn down any remaining BGP sessions used for testing. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 9, 2022

Omnitech Port Move

by Jay Hanke

Omnitech has moved from Eth10 of the SFN MICE remote to port Eth7/3 of the MICE 100G remote. -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 9, 2022

CL Tel Port Upgrade/Move

by Jay Hanke

CL Tel has moved to the SFN 100G Remote Ports -Port Channel 2 -Ethernet5/1 -Ethernet8/1 The new connection is now 20G (2x10G). IP information remains the same. Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 8, 2022

Fiber Minnesota Satellite Upgrade

by Dean Bahls

Good morning! FM (CNS) is going to upgrade our satellite switch on Tuesday, March 15 @ 9:00am. We are going to have BGP shut down on the core switch to keep the process as graceful as possible. The new switch is installed, powered up and configured, so it is mostly just a migration of optics and jumpers. We expect the entire process to take <30 minutes. Mostly this is an FYI to everyone that you'll see a disruption in connectivity to our downstream customers at this time. Oh, and Anthony may have to do some work in Cacti as well. Please let me know if you have any questions about this. Thanks, Dean Dean Bahls Network Operations Manager | Fiber Minnesota 14 Main St SW | PO Box J | Menahga, MN 56464 218.564-1321 (Direct) | 218.564.3000 (Main Office) <mailto:dean.bahls@fiberminnesota.com> dean.bahls(a)fiberminnesota.com

March 7, 2022

Please welcome Truestream to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: Truestream Switch: MICE Core Port: E 5/2 ASN: 398143 IPv4: 206.108.255.188/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:6:133F::1/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)truestreamfiber.com Route Servers: No BFD: No Welcome Aboard! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

March 2, 2022

Re: Please welcome Great Plains Network to MICE!

by Doug McIntyre

On Tue, Mar 01, 2022 at 05:31:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >Name: Great Plains Network >Switch: WiscNet >Port: et-0/0/17 (ae8.100) >ASN: 11317 >IPv4: 206.108.255.187/24 >IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:2C35::1/64 >Peering Contact: peering(a)greatplains.net >Route Servers: Yes >BFD: Yes I've got this setup in the RRs now. Welcome!

March 2, 2022

Re: FCC 22-18A1 Secure Internet Routing Notice of Inquiry

by Jay Hanke

If you have ARIN blocks, the RPKI registration is generally straightforward. You can get quite a bit of the benefit of RPKI by just registering your blocks which locks them to your OriginASN. Even if not all providers support the filtering yet it should dramatically improve the situation if you were to get hijacked. We're filtering at QCIX and occasionally see invalid networks get filtered. It's been dropping off as the larger networks have started enforcement. On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 8:08 AM Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > This was also brought to the NTCA’s CyberSecurity’s Working Group as well, > so if you have feedback on this NOI, please share. > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Richard > Laager > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2022 3:38 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] FCC 22-18A1 Secure Internet Routing Notice of > Inquiry > > > > The FCC is looking into BGP security. > > In general, I'm certainly for BGP security, but I haven't seriously > analyzed the questions in this Notice of Inquiry. > > I'm not sure whether this is something MICE would want to comment on or > not. > > Is anyone else looking into this? I've made an inquiry with MTA, since I'm > on the CyberSecurity committee there. > > -- > > Richard > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 2, 2022

Re: Mice outage

by Jay Hanke

The WCTA MICE connection was not affected by the maintenance. Here the WCTA over the past week (from cacti graphing): [image: image.png] The uplink to the server that makes the graphs for the portal was affected. On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:56 AM Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)wctatel.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > I have not been notified of maintenance windows – two days in a row. > Anyone else? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago > Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email > and destroy all copies of the original message. > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 2, 2022

Re: SFN MICE Port Moves

by Jay Hanke

The plan was to only move the ports that were affected by a fiber move in Cedar Rapids. The Router12 and Omnitel ports got moved by mistake. SFN didn't catch it until we got the hands off notification from the vendor at 6 AM and the alarms hadn't cleared. Rather than rolling a technician to move the jumper back we enabled the new ports to prevent a second outage. On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:43 AM Ryan Malek <rmalek(a)router12.net> wrote: > > Was this the cause of MICE being down last night for me? I knew there was a maint window, but thought it was just QCIX. Was REALLY hoping I didn't lock out again already after just doing FW. > > > > ________________________________ > Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC > Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services > > Ph. 641.420.7180 > On 3/2/2022 6:59 AM, Jay Hanke wrote: > > The following connections have been moved from the old SFN 10G MICE > remote to the new SFN 100G MICE remote > > Omnitel Eth5/2 > CSTech LAG #1 Eth5/3 > EIDG LAG #1 Eth5/4 > Router12 Eth6/2 > CSTech LAG #2 Eth6/3 > EIDG LAG #2 Eth6/4 > > CSTech Po3 > EIDG Po4 > > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 2, 2022

Re: FCC 22-18A1 Secure Internet Routing Notice of Inquiry

by Frank Bulk

This was also brought to the NTCA’s CyberSecurity’s Working Group as well, so if you have feedback on this NOI, please share. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 3:38 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FCC 22-18A1 Secure Internet Routing Notice of Inquiry The FCC is looking into BGP security. In general, I'm certainly for BGP security, but I haven't seriously analyzed the questions in this Notice of Inquiry. I'm not sure whether this is something MICE would want to comment on or not. Is anyone else looking into this? I've made an inquiry with MTA, since I'm on the CyberSecurity committee there. -- Richard ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 2, 2022

Mice outage

by Steve Savoy

Hi everyone, I have not been notified of maintenance windows - two days in a row. Anyone else? [cid:image001.png@01D82E0B.0876C8F0] Thanks, Steve Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

March 2, 2022