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MAC Address Filtering

by Larry Larsen

Good Afternoon; We are going to be swapping out a router this evening at 511, and if I remember correctly you have a MAC Address filter on your connections. Who do we need to work with to get the new MAC addresses authorized? Thank you! [cid:image001.png@01D83EC9.4D210D70] Larry L. Larsen Director of Information Technology Phone: 712.271.5920 Email: llarsen(a)longlines.biz<mailto:llarsen@longlines.biz> 504 4th Street Sergeant Bluff, IA 51054 https://www.longlines.com/ [Title: Facebook - Description: image of Facebook icon]<https://www.facebook.com/LongLines/> [Title: LinkedIn - Description: image of LinkedIn icon] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/long-lines> [Title: Twitter - Description: image of Twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/LongLinesBB>

March 23, 2022

Midwest Peering Summit Info July 26, 2022

by Jay Hanke

As part of the MICE Summer outreach meeting. We have set up a Peering Summit with a number of neighboring Internet Exchanges. These include OmahaIX, KCIX, QCIX and several others. Each of the involved IXes will be attending and assisting in marketing the event to their users. Here's the link to the registration for the conference. https://www.eventcreate.com/e/mwps2022 Advanced registration is free for peering networks. We'll encounter an extra fee from the venue for attendees not pre registered. We'd ask that you pick up a table if you're going to bring sales folks. We have a block of rooms reserved with a discount at the hotel for rooms from the 25th through the 27th of July at $95 per night. Log into: https://www.stoneycreekhotels.com/ Click book now Des Moines Discount Code: 2207SOUTHF Thanks! -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 21, 2022

MICE Secretary

by Richard Laager

This is going to MICE-ANNOUNCE too, in this interest of formalities. After the UG 40 meeting on March 11, the MICE board appointed Anthony Anderberg as Secretary. (This is separate from the Treasurer appointment which happened earlier and was mentioned during the meeting.) -- Richard

March 19, 2022

Re: Netnod Down?

by Jeremy Lumby

Last I spoke with them they had a series of software issues crop up with their equipment. I have not spoken with them in a while, It is probably worth reaching out to them to see if they have a new estimated timeframe to repair. From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 8:24 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Netnod Down? Is Netnod down at MICE? I'm not seeing any routes from them, at least via the route servers. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu <Email%3Afarmer(a)umn.edu> Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 19, 2022

Netnod Down?

by David Farmer

Is Netnod down at MICE? I'm not seeing any routes from them, at least via the route servers. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

March 19, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by David Farmer

Michael, Actually, the credit for looking at Netflow goes to Colin. Richard, Thanks for getting that project moving forward, and as Michael said, it happens Everyone, Attached are the detailed reports for the 3 alerts we got in that timeframe last night if you want more details. On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 9:24 AM Michael Hare < 000000097dab80c5-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > Dave, thanks for the cluebat about looking at netflow. I didn’t think > that one through myself. I included the top talker we saw below. > > > > Richard, thanks for responding and letting us know what happened. Having > been in similar situations myself, “it happens”. > > > > -Michael > > > > ===/========== > > > > ** nfdump -M /var/local/flows/live/core -T -r nfcapd.202203172000 -n 10 > -s record/packets -A srcip,dstip -6 > > nfdump filter: > > router ip 143.235.32.110 and proto icmp6 > > Aggregated flows 116 > > Top 10 flows ordered by packets: > > Date first seen Duration Src IP > Addr Dst IP Addr Packets Bytes bps > Bpp Flows > > 2022-03-17 19:59:59.104 19.456 fe80::1a2a:d300:64dd:ed24 > <https://flows-1.uwsys.net/nfsen/nfsen.php#null> > ff02::1:ff00:254 <https://flows-1.uwsys.net/nfsen/nfsen.php#null> 9.4 > M 714.9 M 294.0 M 76 2 > > > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *David > Farmer > *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2022 8:34 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? > > > > Yes we say it and it reset a bunch of our BGP session on MICE. > > > > Our Arbor Sightling Netflow say the sources were > > > > 2001:504:27::d1af:0:241/128 > > fe80::8618:88ff:fea4:d301/128 > > e80::a66c:2aff:fe76:b400/128 > > > > Destin to; > > All routers ff02::1 > > All MLD Routers ff02::16 > > > > And then a solicited-node address of > > ff02::1:ff00:254 > > Don't know the source of that > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:22 PM Michael Hare < > 000000097dab80c5-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > > I presume I wasn't the only one that felt the arp/nd storm that began ~ > 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? Event stopped for us by 01:03:02. I don't have > info about mac addrs but our peering device reported 20kpps of icmp > neighbor discovery. > > -Michael > [AS3128] > > > > > -- > > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

March 18, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by Michael Hare

Dave, thanks for the cluebat about looking at netflow. I didn’t think that one through myself. I included the top talker we saw below. Richard, thanks for responding and letting us know what happened. Having been in similar situations myself, “it happens”. -Michael ===/========== ** nfdump -M /var/local/flows/live/core -T -r nfcapd.202203172000 -n 10 -s record/packets -A srcip,dstip -6 nfdump filter: router ip 143.235.32.110 and proto icmp6 Aggregated flows 116 Top 10 flows ordered by packets: Date first seen Duration Src IP Addr Dst IP Addr Packets Bytes bps Bpp Flows 2022-03-17 19:59:59.104 19.456 fe80::1a2a:d300:64dd:ed24<https://flows-1.uwsys.net/nfsen/nfsen.php#null> ff02::1:ff00:254<https://flows-1.uwsys.net/nfsen/nfsen.php#null> 9.4 M 714.9 M 294.0 M 76 2 From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 8:34 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? Yes we say it and it reset a bunch of our BGP session on MICE. Our Arbor Sightling Netflow say the sources were 2001:504:27::d1af:0:241/128 fe80::8618:88ff:fea4:d301/128 e80::a66c:2aff:fe76:b400/128 Destin to; All routers ff02::1 All MLD Routers ff02::16 And then a solicited-node address of ff02::1:ff00:254 Don't know the source of that On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:22 PM Michael Hare <000000097dab80c5-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:000000097dab80c5-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: I presume I wasn't the only one that felt the arp/nd storm that began ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? Event stopped for us by 01:03:02. I don't have info about mac addrs but our peering device reported 20kpps of icmp neighbor discovery. -Michael [AS3128] -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu> Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 18, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by Chris Wopat

Seems to jive with some traffic shift on the Compudyne 511 remote switch: http://micelg.usinternet.com/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&lea… -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965

March 18, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by Richard Laager

FWIW, traffic numbers overall look good. I called Jeremy to get his thoughts. He hasn’t seen anything concerning outside of the initial issue. Out of an abundance of caution, he is shutting down the ports facing the new servers, cutting them (the thing we changed today) off completely. They are not in production use, so there is no reason not to take this step. You might want to do some ping testing to various peers interface IPs and/or check any Juniper-specific storm control stuff. -- Richard > On Mar 17, 2022, at 21:37, Ryan Nelson <ryan.nelson(a)integrisit.com> wrote: > > > Something still doesn't seem right. Really slow traffic via MICE. I just shut down our MICE sessions and the "weirdness" cleared up. > > Ryan > Compudyne/Integris/AS47096 > Ryan Nelson > Network Services Senior Architect > Office: 218-336-2220 > ryan.nelson(a)integrisit.com > > Empowering people through technology. > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 9:09 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? > > EXTERNAL MESSAGE > > We are hands off as of a few minutes ago. I will provide a more detailed explanation of my mistakes later. > > -- > Richard > > > On Mar 17, 2022, at 20:34, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > > > > That was me. I believe I created a loop with the new servers. > > > > As soon as I realized, I yanked the cables. > > > > Sorry everyone! > > > > -- > > Richard > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 18, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by Ryan Nelson

Something still doesn't seem right. Really slow traffic via MICE. I just shut down our MICE sessions and the "weirdness" cleared up. Ryan Compudyne/Integris/AS47096 ________________________________ Ryan Nelson Network Services Senior Architect Office: 218-336-2220 ryan.nelson(a)integrisit.com Empowering people through technology. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 9:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? EXTERNAL MESSAGE We are hands off as of a few minutes ago. I will provide a more detailed explanation of my mistakes later. -- Richard > On Mar 17, 2022, at 20:34, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > > That was me. I believe I created a loop with the new servers. > > As soon as I realized, I yanked the cables. > > Sorry everyone! > > -- > Richard

March 18, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by Richard Laager

We are hands off as of a few minutes ago. I will provide a more detailed explanation of my mistakes later. -- Richard > On Mar 17, 2022, at 20:34, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > > That was me. I believe I created a loop with the new servers. > > As soon as I realized, I yanked the cables. > > Sorry everyone! > > -- > Richard

March 18, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by Ryan Malek

We also saw it. We flapped with 2001:504:27::51cc:0:1 (Akamai) at the same time. Not sure they're related. Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services Ph. 641.420.7180 On 3/17/2022 8:29 PM, Jeff Wilde wrote: > Your correct we did > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Michael Hare <000000097dab80c5-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Date: 3/17/22 8:22 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? > > I presume I wasn't the only one that felt the arp/nd storm that began > ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? Event stopped for us by 01:03:02. I don't > have info about mac addrs but our peering device reported 20kpps of > icmp neighbor discovery. > > -Michael > [AS3128] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> >

March 18, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by Richard Laager

That was me. I believe I created a loop with the new servers. As soon as I realized, I yanked the cables. Sorry everyone! -- Richard

March 18, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by David Farmer

Yes we say it and it reset a bunch of our BGP session on MICE. Our Arbor Sightling Netflow say the sources were 2001:504:27::d1af:0:241/128 fe80::8618:88ff:fea4:d301/128 e80::a66c:2aff:fe76:b400/128 Destin to; All routers ff02::1 All MLD Routers ff02::16 And then a solicited-node address of ff02::1:ff00:254 Don't know the source of that On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:22 PM Michael Hare < 000000097dab80c5-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > I presume I wasn't the only one that felt the arp/nd storm that began ~ > 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? Event stopped for us by 01:03:02. I don't have > info about mac addrs but our peering device reported 20kpps of icmp > neighbor discovery. > > -Michael > [AS3128] > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

March 18, 2022

Re: icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by Jeff Wilde

Your correct we did Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Michael Hare <000000097dab80c5-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Date: 3/17/22 8:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? I presume I wasn't the only one that felt the arp/nd storm that began ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? Event stopped for us by 01:03:02. I don't have info about mac addrs but our peering device reported 20kpps of icmp neighbor discovery. -Michael [AS3128]

March 18, 2022

icmp v6 nd storm ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT?

by Michael Hare

I presume I wasn't the only one that felt the arp/nd storm that began ~ 00:58:01 2022/03/18 GMT? Event stopped for us by 01:03:02. I don't have info about mac addrs but our peering device reported 20kpps of icmp neighbor discovery. -Michael [AS3128]

March 18, 2022

Re: MICE Social (Now with Amazon)

by Jeffrey Anderson

I will definitely stop by. Put me down for 1! Thanks Richard. Jeffrey (Sparky) Anderson Implex.net Senior Network Engineer USCG Masters Licensed Captain USCG AUX ADSO-DV / VFC Point of Contact: Mobile: 612-799-7277 From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 4:02 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Social (Now with Amazon) Amazon has graciously agreed to host. They're interested to meet people from the MICE community. If you have questions for Amazon, especially about Thursday Night Football, please join us. Where: Hell's Kitchen, 80 S 9th St, Minneapolis https://www.hellskitcheninc.com When: Wednesday 6:45 PM Please RSVP to me so we know if we need to increase the reservation size. -- Richard ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 16, 2022

Re: MICE Social (Now with Amazon)

by Richard Laager

Amazon has graciously agreed to host. They're interested to meet people from the MICE community. If you have questions for Amazon, especially about Thursday Night Football, please join us. Where: Hell's Kitchen, 80 S 9th St, Minneapolis https://www.hellskitcheninc.com When: Wednesday 6:45 PM Please RSVP to me so we know if we need to increase the reservation size. -- Richard

March 15, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by AnthonyAnderberg＠nuvera.net

This seems reasonable - going forward I’ll take notes when the board meets and will post them here. Of course there will occasionally be topics that I’d need to be opaque about, hopefully everyone trusts our judgement in that regard. Cheers, Anthony From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Dean Bahls <dean.bahls(a)COOPERATIVE-NETWORKS.COM> Organization: Fiber Minnesota Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 12:55 PM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Board Minutes I’m going to chime in on this as well. I think it is reasonable to ask someone participating in those meetings to keep a summary of what is being discussed. It does not have to be overly detailed, making it burdensome, but it is the right thing to do. In fact, I think the bylaws make a few references regarding minutes or records taken in Board of Governors meetings. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 8:57 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Board Minutes I agree with Jeremy. Lets at least get some type of brief summary information about decisions made by the board included at the UG meetings. I think most Minnesotans like to believe that there is somewhat open governance in the state. Even though it doesn't apply to MICE, I suspect that Minnesota's Open Meeting law has created that perception. I don't think it is unreasonable to keep members informed about what MICE related topics are being discussed, challenges faced by the organization, and the decisions made at the board level. n 3/11/22 20:08, Jeremy Lumby wrote: While I can understand that formal minutes may imply too much detail/work, there needs to be a middle ground so that the members can see how the people they elected to represent them are doing so. I am open to suggestions. It could be something as simple as Topic X was discussed, and will be continued at another time, or Topic Y was discussed, and the final (summary) opinion of each board member is… Having this final outcome in mind might actually help get the conversation towards an outcome so that things do not go around in circles for 3 hours. Alternate suggestions are welcomed. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 7:27 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Board Minutes Board meetings are just not always formal...having to have minutes of them would be difficult. We had a 3 hour long conference call about things a week ago...if we had to keep minutes on that, it would have been a nightmare. Reid On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:22 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: Since we did not have much open discussion time at the end of today's meeting, I wanted to propose a change for the procedure that the board follows. I propose that the board start taking, and publishing minutes from board meetings. This would allow the membership to see how the board members were voting/representing their interests. It would also be invaluable information for the voting members to have in the event that we ever had a contested election again. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> -- Reid Fishler Senior Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 15, 2022

MICE Social

by Richard Laager

With the meeting reschedule, we kinda tossed around the idea of a MICE Social. I’d imagine this would be going out to supper, similar to how we do after in person meetings. Is anyone interested in getting together tomorrow (Wednesday)? I am at the Hyatt Regency for MTA, but am open to various locations. -- Richard

March 15, 2022

Re: MICE marketing

by AnthonyAnderberg＠nuvera.net

IXP access is the best solution, but I’ve also added average values to the aggregate graphs for good measure. Thanks everyone, anthony From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)SOUTHFRONT.IO> Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Date: Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 7:45 AM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE marketing I think this is just a matter of giving access to the api in ixp manager. I will take a look and follow up with pch. On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 11:01 PM Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com<mailto:rlaager@wiktel.com>> wrote: We are in the process of converting to IXP Manager. Will that provide the data you need? If so, then it’s not likely worth fiddling with much more now. If IXP Manager won’t provide the data, then it sounds like we should add the average to the graph? -- Richard > On Mar 11, 2022, at 22:50, Bill Woodcock <woody(a)pch.net<mailto:woody@pch.net>> wrote: > > > >> On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:53 AM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com<mailto:rlaager@wiktel.com>> wrote: >> >> https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir lists "Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange" as having an average of 1K of traffic. > > Ah, you changed your traffic graph URL. I’ve updated to your new URL, and the new numbers should be reflected immediately. Also, the graph you produce doesn’t show your average (which is the only economically-significant number), and we’re in the process of rewriting our code (which broke) that calculates average values from graph bitmaps, and if you’re making your raw data available, we don’t have a URL for it… Everything goes smoothest when we can pull raw data rather than scraping from the bitmap. With 800 IXPs to collect data from every day, the ones that are fully automated scale well, but the ones that require a human being to go do something don’t scale well for us, since we’re only about twenty people. > > -Bill > ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

March 15, 2022

Re: MICE marketing

by Jay Hanke

It's updated on PCH to pull from the MICE IXP Manager. On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 9:12 PM Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > I emailed Bill Woodcock at PCH. Hopefully PCH can update that. > > On 3/11/22 16:04, Miles McCredie wrote: > > One other comment on the marketing side – It would be handy to have PCH > update > https://www.pch.net/ixp/dir#!mt-filters=%7B%22ctry%22%3A%5B%22dropdown%22%2… > . > > > > I received a snarky comment from someone about the 1Kbps average traffic > that they are showing. > > > > > > *Miles McCredie * > Network Engineer - Architect > > Office: 6052755192 > Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com > > *Midco.com* > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > -- > Richard > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

March 14, 2022

Re: Please welcome StackPath to MICE!

by Doug McIntyre

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 06:00:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >Name: StackPath >Switch: MICE Core >Port: 3/27/1 -> Po21 & 6/20/1 -> Po25 >ASN: 33438 >IPv4: 206.108.255.189/24 & 206.108.255.190/24 >IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:829E::1/64 & 2001:504:27:0:0:829E::2/64 >Peering Contact: peering(a)stackpath.com >Route Servers: YES >BFD: No I've added them to the RR's, so they should be all set. Welcome!

March 12, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by Dean Bahls

I’m going to chime in on this as well. I think it is reasonable to ask someone participating in those meetings to keep a summary of what is being discussed. It does not have to be overly detailed, making it burdensome, but it is the right thing to do. In fact, I think the bylaws make a few references regarding minutes or records taken in Board of Governors meetings. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 8:57 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Board Minutes I agree with Jeremy. Lets at least get some type of brief summary information about decisions made by the board included at the UG meetings. I think most Minnesotans like to believe that there is somewhat open governance in the state. Even though it doesn't apply to MICE, I suspect that Minnesota's Open Meeting law has created that perception. I don't think it is unreasonable to keep members informed about what MICE related topics are being discussed, challenges faced by the organization, and the decisions made at the board level. n 3/11/22 20:08, Jeremy Lumby wrote: While I can understand that formal minutes may imply too much detail/work, there needs to be a middle ground so that the members can see how the people they elected to represent them are doing so. I am open to suggestions. It could be something as simple as Topic X was discussed, and will be continued at another time, or Topic Y was discussed, and the final (summary) opinion of each board member is… Having this final outcome in mind might actually help get the conversation towards an outcome so that things do not go around in circles for 3 hours. Alternate suggestions are welcomed. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 7:27 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Board Minutes Board meetings are just not always formal...having to have minutes of them would be difficult. We had a 3 hour long conference call about things a week ago...if we had to keep minutes on that, it would have been a nightmare. Reid On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:22 PM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> > wrote: Since we did not have much open discussion time at the end of today's meeting, I wanted to propose a change for the procedure that the board follows. I propose that the board start taking, and publishing minutes from board meetings. This would allow the membership to see how the board members were voting/representing their interests. It would also be invaluable information for the voting members to have in the event that we ever had a contested election again. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com <mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> -- Reid Fishler Senior Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1

March 12, 2022

Re: Board Minutes

by Steve Howard

March 12, 2022