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Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Jay Hanke

> We have 12K routes? :) > > Oh right, HE.... (just kidding, I am poking fun) The switch role is L2 in our current config. So we're really going to use about 50 entries in the mac-address-table and enough routes to manage the box. > Code? James, didn't we talk to someone from DE-CIX back in the formative stages? They might be able to help us out. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Mike Horwath

On 5/13/11 12:25 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Owen DeLong <owend(a)he.net> wrote: >> If the Juniper systems are stackable EX series switches, then, they will >> not take a full BGP table. > >Very True. The FIB limit on the ex4200 is about 12k and there isn't a >huge amount of memory for a RIB. We have 12K routes? :) Oh right, HE.... (just kidding, I am poking fun) >It looks like DE-CIX might have already rolled a solution for bird. > >http://lg.de-cix.net/ Code? -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Jay Hanke

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Owen DeLong <owend(a)he.net> wrote: > If the Juniper systems are stackable EX series switches, then, they will > not take a full BGP table. Very True. The FIB limit on the ex4200 is about 12k and there isn't a huge amount of memory for a RIB. It looks like DE-CIX might have already rolled a solution for bird. http://lg.de-cix.net/ jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Owen DeLong

If the Juniper systems are stackable EX series switches, then, they will not take a full BGP table. Owen On May 13, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Mike Horwath wrote: > On 5/13/11 11:09 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > >> On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:46 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >>> On 5/13/11 10:43 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >>>>> On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or >>> route >>>>>> server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in >>> setting >>>>>> something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. >>> They >>>>> are >>>>>> quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. >>>>> >>>>> You are correct, there isn't. >>>>> >>>>> This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics >>> easily >>>>> enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most >>>> (all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around >>>> Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows >>>> of a really great and flexible LG app. >>> >>> Yah, that was my finding as well. >>> >>>> Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck >>> in >>>> the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet >>>> accessible route server as well. >>> >>> There will be a Juniper in place soon - once that is done, we can look >>> at >>> putting it into the 'route' subsystem (this is *not* a requirement for >>> operation of the peering point, in fact, it could create other issues if >>> something breaks) but we could then query that for data. >> >> If there will be a Juniper router already going into the network anyways >> that would certainly work I should think. Then it can be polled by the >> existing stats server you mentioned. > > ...for a looking glass system. > > (finishing your sentence :) > >>>> >>>> ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and >>>> cli) included. >>> >>>> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenB >>>> SD >>>> +Current&arch=amd64&apropos=1&format=html >>> >>> We aren't using OpenBSD anywhere though...we are using BIRD. >> >> A small OpenBSD server, even a small Soekris style box, can still suck >> up a read-only copy of the routes from the route servers via BGP. No >> real maintenance or overhead once its up and running. The only real >> difference between something like this and using a C/J would be that >> OBSD has all of the tools built in already, so it's a matter of >> convenience and the general dependable security of an OBSD system. I >> have a such Soekris box with a flash drive I could donate to the cause >> as I've been looking for something to do with it besides accessorize my >> desk. I only mention this as an option as I have used OBSD for a long >> time and am familiar with it and it would meet the needs from what I can >> see. > > Sorry, I was being flippant with my comment. > > I'll be direct: no hackery > > When the new Juniper systems are in place, hopefully they are licensed for > BGP, and if that is the case, we can query that with a looking glass > system and use the current stats server to handle this. > > If this does *not* happen then we need to research another solution. > Additional hardware should *not* be needed at all. > > -- > Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net > The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is > that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Owen DeLong

Another option would be to run an instance of quagga on the BIRD box and peer it with the BIRD instance in receive-only mode. Then you could do the LG stuff against that. Owen On May 13, 2011, at 9:09 AM, Justin Krejci wrote: > On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:46 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >> On 5/13/11 10:43 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >>>> On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route >>>>> server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting >>>>> something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They >>>> are >>>>> quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. >>>> >>>> You are correct, there isn't. >>>> >>>> This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics easily >>>> enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. >>>> >>> >>> Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most >>> (all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around >>> Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows >>> of a really great and flexible LG app. >> >> Yah, that was my finding as well. >> >>> Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck in >>> the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet >>> accessible route server as well. >> >> There will be a Juniper in place soon - once that is done, we can look at >> putting it into the 'route' subsystem (this is *not* a requirement for >> operation of the peering point, in fact, it could create other issues if >> something breaks) but we could then query that for data. > > If there will be a Juniper router already going into the network anyways > that would certainly work I should think. Then it can be polled by the > existing stats server you mentioned. > >>> >>> ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and >>> cli) included. >>> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD >>> +Current&arch=amd64&apropos=1&format=html >> >> We aren't using OpenBSD anywhere though...we are using BIRD. > > A small OpenBSD server, even a small Soekris style box, can still suck > up a read-only copy of the routes from the route servers via BGP. No > real maintenance or overhead once its up and running. The only real > difference between something like this and using a C/J would be that > OBSD has all of the tools built in already, so it's a matter of > convenience and the general dependable security of an OBSD system. I > have a such Soekris box with a flash drive I could donate to the cause > as I've been looking for something to do with it besides accessorize my > desk. I only mention this as an option as I have used OBSD for a long > time and am familiar with it and it would meet the needs from what I can > see. > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Mike Horwath

On 5/13/11 11:09 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:46 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >> On 5/13/11 10:43 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >> >> >On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >> >> On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >> >> >> >> >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or >>route >> >> >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in >>setting >> >> >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. >>They >> >>are >> >> >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. >> >> >> >> You are correct, there isn't. >> >> >> >> This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics >>easily >> >> enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. >> >> >> > >> >Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most >> >(all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around >> >Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows >> >of a really great and flexible LG app. >> >> Yah, that was my finding as well. >> >> >Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck >>in >> >the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet >> >accessible route server as well. >> >> There will be a Juniper in place soon - once that is done, we can look >>at >> putting it into the 'route' subsystem (this is *not* a requirement for >> operation of the peering point, in fact, it could create other issues if >> something breaks) but we could then query that for data. > >If there will be a Juniper router already going into the network anyways >that would certainly work I should think. Then it can be polled by the >existing stats server you mentioned. ...for a looking glass system. (finishing your sentence :) >> > >> >ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and >> >cli) included. >> >>>http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenB >>>SD >> >+Current&arch=amd64&apropos=1&format=html >> >> We aren't using OpenBSD anywhere though...we are using BIRD. > >A small OpenBSD server, even a small Soekris style box, can still suck >up a read-only copy of the routes from the route servers via BGP. No >real maintenance or overhead once its up and running. The only real >difference between something like this and using a C/J would be that >OBSD has all of the tools built in already, so it's a matter of >convenience and the general dependable security of an OBSD system. I >have a such Soekris box with a flash drive I could donate to the cause >as I've been looking for something to do with it besides accessorize my >desk. I only mention this as an option as I have used OBSD for a long >time and am familiar with it and it would meet the needs from what I can >see. Sorry, I was being flippant with my comment. I'll be direct: no hackery When the new Juniper systems are in place, hopefully they are licensed for BGP, and if that is the case, we can query that with a looking glass system and use the current stats server to handle this. If this does *not* happen then we need to research another solution. Additional hardware should *not* be needed at all. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Justin Krejci

On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:46 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: > On 5/13/11 10:43 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > > >On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: > >> On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > >> > >> >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route > >> >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting > >> >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They > >>are > >> >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. > >> > >> You are correct, there isn't. > >> > >> This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics easily > >> enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. > >> > > > >Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most > >(all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around > >Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows > >of a really great and flexible LG app. > > Yah, that was my finding as well. > > >Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck in > >the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet > >accessible route server as well. > > There will be a Juniper in place soon - once that is done, we can look at > putting it into the 'route' subsystem (this is *not* a requirement for > operation of the peering point, in fact, it could create other issues if > something breaks) but we could then query that for data. If there will be a Juniper router already going into the network anyways that would certainly work I should think. Then it can be polled by the existing stats server you mentioned. > > > >ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and > >cli) included. > >http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD > >+Current&arch=amd64&apropos=1&format=html > > We aren't using OpenBSD anywhere though...we are using BIRD. A small OpenBSD server, even a small Soekris style box, can still suck up a read-only copy of the routes from the route servers via BGP. No real maintenance or overhead once its up and running. The only real difference between something like this and using a C/J would be that OBSD has all of the tools built in already, so it's a matter of convenience and the general dependable security of an OBSD system. I have a such Soekris box with a flash drive I could donate to the cause as I've been looking for something to do with it besides accessorize my desk. I only mention this as an option as I have used OBSD for a long time and am familiar with it and it would meet the needs from what I can see. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Mike Horwath

On 5/13/11 10:43 AM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: >> On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >> >> >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route >> >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting >> >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They >>are >> >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. >> >> You are correct, there isn't. >> >> This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics easily >> enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. >> > >Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most >(all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around >Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows >of a really great and flexible LG app. Yah, that was my finding as well. >Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck in >the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet >accessible route server as well. There will be a Juniper in place soon - once that is done, we can look at putting it into the 'route' subsystem (this is *not* a requirement for operation of the peering point, in fact, it could create other issues if something breaks) but we could then query that for data. > >ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and >cli) included. >http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD >+Current&arch=amd64&apropos=1&format=html We aren't using OpenBSD anywhere though...we are using BIRD. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Justin Krejci

On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 15:11 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: > On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: > > >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route > >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting > >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They are > >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. > > You are correct, there isn't. > > This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics easily > enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. > Looks like using its CLI will not be immediately compatible with most (all?) LG tools out there which are seemingly mostly geared around Cisco, Juniper, and Zebra/Quagga systems it seems. Unless someone knows of a really great and flexible LG app. Perhaps a small C/J router could peer up with the two servers to suck in the routes and be used as the LG source and as a publicly telnet accessible route server as well. ALso OpenBSD has a good bgp daemon with their own bgplg toools (web and cli) included. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bgp&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+… ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Mike Horwath

On 5/12/11 6:57 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jkrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> wrote: >As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route >server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting >something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They are >quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. You are correct, there isn't. This could easily run on the system that handles the statistics easily enough, just I have no idea how I would tie bird into a LG setup. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Re: Next MICE UG

by Mike Horwath

On 5/12/11 4:03 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >I was disappointed last time with the turnout at the social. If there >are things we can do to improve the participation at the social please >let me know! I think the social would go better if it were a place where everyone could be more together. And beer. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 13, 2011

Looking Glass / Route Server for MICE

by Justin Krejci

As I understand it there is currently no public looking glass or route server for MICE users or the public in general. Any interest in setting something up? I could donate a server or some time to the cause. They are quite useful in troubleshooting routing issues or network changes. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Re: Next MICE UG

by Owen DeLong

On May 12, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Jay Hanke wrote: > The time has come to begin planning the next UG. I think having the > speaker at the last meeting was a huge success. > Why thank you. I enjoyed it as well. Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Juniper EX Training/Staging

by Jay Hanke

All, Juniper will be coming to Minneapolis June 2nd at 2 PM to give technical training on the new core MICE switches. The training will be in Minneapolis. If you're interested in attending please email me so I can make sure there is enough space. Thanks, Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Next MICE UG

by Jay Hanke

The time has come to begin planning the next UG. I think having the speaker at the last meeting was a huge success. Does anyone have ideas for speakers or topics? I heard Root DNS talked about. I also heard MN Internet History talked about... Also, it might be worthwhile to give some short network introductions. Maybe 2 or 3 participants each meeting? I was disappointed last time with the turnout at the social. If there are things we can do to improve the participation at the social please let me know! Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Re: Recruitment / Advertising to MICE

by Jeff Bartig

Hello, Comcast does have a very restrictive peering policy. They also made the decision a couple years ago to pull out of all of the public exchanges across the country and will now only peer over private interconnects at facilities like Equinix. From their peeringdb page: "We do not offer SFI on the shared fabric public switches at any IX." I know the peering coordinator at Comcast (Ren Provo). We've set up peering between WiscNet and some of her past employers. Her more recent employers (SBC, AT&T, now Comcast) have all had more restrictive policies. Comcast has refused to peer with WiscNet at Equinix, even if we pay for the cross-connect. Getting them to connect to MICE will be a challenge. Jeff On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 08:49:52AM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > Comcast requires at least 4 locations of interconnect across the US. > There are a couple of MICE members that likely meet their criteria. > They don't list Minneapolis as an option. If someone has a "real" > contact at Comcast please feel free to introduce MICE to them. > > http://www.comcast.com/peering/ > > Qwest is more Tier 1ish, but worth approaching so at least they are > aware there is an option in Minneapolis. > > Everyone, feel free to market the exchange. New members benefit everyone. > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jeff Bartig | University of Wisconsin - Madison jeffb(a)doit.wisc.edu | Division of Information Technology (608) 262-8336 | Network Services/WAN Engineering/WiscNet GTalk/AIM/Yahoo: jbartig | ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Re: Recruitment / Advertising to MICE

by Jay Hanke

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Justin Krejci <jkrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > Yes, both are at 511 already. I am sure Mike at FWR has contacts for most if > not all companies in the building. I don't mind approaching the contacts I > have already but would be more in a suggestive role than as an invitational > capacity as I don't quite feel I have, as a not-yet-connected participant, > jurisdiction to invite on behalf of MICE or to be able to highlight specific > benefits of MICE that they would find appealing. Though I suppose they > likely already have their own corporate peering policies defined. A quick > check on PeeringDB does not look good for the chances of either joining up > to a public exchange. I know Comcast makes a good deal off bilateral peering > arrangements; access to their nearly captive audience is worth a fair amount > to them I know, from first hand experience. Comcast requires at least 4 locations of interconnect across the US. There are a couple of MICE members that likely meet their criteria. They don't list Minneapolis as an option. If someone has a "real" contact at Comcast please feel free to introduce MICE to them. http://www.comcast.com/peering/ Qwest is more Tier 1ish, but worth approaching so at least they are aware there is an option in Minneapolis. Everyone, feel free to market the exchange. New members benefit everyone. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Re: Recruitment / Advertising to MICE

by Justin Krejci

Yes, both are at 511 already. I am sure Mike at FWR has contacts for most if not all companies in the building. I don't mind approaching the contacts I have already but would be more in a suggestive role than as an invitational capacity as I don't quite feel I have, as a not-yet-connected participant, jurisdiction to invite on behalf of MICE or to be able to highlight specific benefits of MICE that they would find appealing. Though I suppose they likely already have their own corporate peering policies defined. A quick check on PeeringDB does not look good for the chances of either joining up to a public exchange. I know Comcast makes a good deal off bilateral peering arrangements; access to their nearly captive audience is worth a fair amount to them I know, from first hand experience. On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 21:03 -0500, Frank Bulk wrote: > Are Comcast and CenturyLink/Qwest at 511 already? If so, I’m sure > MICE members would have some contacts… > > > > Frank > > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Justin Krejci > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:44 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Recruitment / Advertising to MICE > > > > > > Hello List, > > US Internet is in the process of getting connected to the network. In > fact I plan to pop down to FWR this evening still and plug in the > cross connect on my way home. > > In any case I only became aware of MICE thru unrelated discussions > with WIN who mentioned it to me and passed me Jay's contact info which > brings me to the subject at hand, is there any effort or interest in > making a more official recruitment effort to get networks and > providers to join up? I realize MICE is still pretty new and fresh but > it strikes me it is only as useful as the networks that are > participating. I think it would be great if we got Comcast and Qwest > (CenturyLink, whatever) in particular to join up as they have big > local networks in town. > > I also scanned some of the archives and was interested in the whole > CDN participation idea. Any news on that at all with Akamai or others > for that matter? Also are there any plans on the table for future UG > meetings for MICE? > > > -Justin Krejci > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Re: Recruitment / Advertising to MICE

by Frank Bulk

Are Comcast and CenturyLink/Qwest at 511 already? If so, I’m sure MICE members would have some contacts… Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:44 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Recruitment / Advertising to MICE Hello List, US Internet is in the process of getting connected to the network. In fact I plan to pop down to FWR this evening still and plug in the cross connect on my way home. In any case I only became aware of MICE thru unrelated discussions with WIN who mentioned it to me and passed me Jay's contact info which brings me to the subject at hand, is there any effort or interest in making a more official recruitment effort to get networks and providers to join up? I realize MICE is still pretty new and fresh but it strikes me it is only as useful as the networks that are participating. I think it would be great if we got Comcast and Qwest (CenturyLink, whatever) in particular to join up as they have big local networks in town. I also scanned some of the archives and was interested in the whole CDN participation idea. Any news on that at all with Akamai or others for that matter? Also are there any plans on the table for future UG meetings for MICE? -Justin Krejci ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Recruitment / Advertising to MICE

by Justin Krejci

Hello List, US Internet is in the process of getting connected to the network. In fact I plan to pop down to FWR this evening still and plug in the cross connect on my way home. In any case I only became aware of MICE thru unrelated discussions with WIN who mentioned it to me and passed me Jay's contact info which brings me to the subject at hand, is there any effort or interest in making a more official recruitment effort to get networks and providers to join up? I realize MICE is still pretty new and fresh but it strikes me it is only as useful as the networks that are participating. I think it would be great if we got Comcast and Qwest (CenturyLink, whatever) in particular to join up as they have big local networks in town. I also scanned some of the archives and was interested in the whole CDN participation idea. Any news on that at all with Akamai or others for that matter? Also are there any plans on the table for future UG meetings for MICE? -Justin Krejci ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 12, 2011

Re: TDS MICE connection

by Mike Horwath

On 5/10/11 1:12 PM, "Koch, Andrew" <andrew.koch(a)TDSTELECOM.COM> wrote: >TDS is now active on the MICE. I have contacted all those I could find >emails for. If I missed anyone wishing to establish peering with TDS >Telecom, AS4181, please email us at peering(a)tdstelecom.com. Welcome! (don't forget, you could just do the multi-lateral peering if you don't wish to do all of this via bilateral versions) -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 11, 2011

TDS MICE connection

by Koch, Andrew

TDS is now active on the MICE. I have contacted all those I could find emails for. If I missed anyone wishing to establish peering with TDS Telecom, AS4181, please email us at peering(a)tdstelecom.com. http://www.tdstelecom.com http://as4181.peeringdb.com Regards, Andy Koch TDS Telecom - IP Network Operations andrew.koch(a)tdstelecom.com Desk: 608-664-4694 Cell: 608-616-0072 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 10, 2011

New MICE switches are here!

by Jay Hanke

We have two switches provided by Juniper. Switch 1 is an EX4200-48T with 48 10/100/1000baseT ports and 2x 10GE uplinks Switch 2 is an EX4200-24F with 24 SFP ports and 2x 10GE uplinks The switches are stackable and only 1 RU each. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC 320 East Liberty Street Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 9, 2011

Steering Committee Voting Instructions

by Jay Hanke

The MICE steering committee elections are upon us! The candidates are as follows: -Anthony Anderberg (New Ulm Telephone) -David Farmer III-I* (University of Minnesota) -Reid Fishler-(Hurricane Electric) Please email your vote to to me no later than 5 PM, Monday May 16th. Remember each ASN connected to MICE as of 5/9/2011 may cast a vote. One vote per connected ASN. Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 9, 2011

Welcome MNVOIP to MICE!

by James Montz

MNVOIP is configured and operational on MICE ASN: 32621 --------------------------------------------------- *James C. Montz* Senior Consultant *Mankato Networks LLC* <http://www.mankatonetworks.net/>320 East Liberty Street <http://maps.google.com/maps?q=320+East+Liberty+Street%2CMankato%2CMN+56001&…>Mankato, MN 56001 *Phone:* *(320)-496-6689* *Email: jamesmontz(a)mankatonetworks.net* *Web: http://www.mankatonetworks.net Skype: james.montz* * http://www.linkedin.com/in/jmontz* ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

May 5, 2011