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Re: IP Address Space Request

by Owen DeLong

On Jul 30, 2012, at 09:22 , David Farmer wrote: > On 7/30/12 11:02 CDT, Mike Horwath wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:00:34AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: >>> No IPv6? >> >> But no one uses IPv6... > > Really no one? > > I have to disagree, since IPv6 launch we have seen a significant increase in IPv6 traffic. Yes, most of our traffic is still IPv4, but IPv6 is now at least a few percent instead of a few 100ths of a percent. > > So, I would say no one. You would? I suspect you wouldn't. Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 30, 2012

Re: IP Address Space Request

by Owen DeLong

I know of at least 2 MICE members and one CDN that use IPv6. Owen On Jul 30, 2012, at 09:02 , Mike Horwath wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:00:34AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: >> No IPv6? > > But no one uses IPv6... > > -- > Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net > The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is > that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 30, 2012

Re: IP Address Space Request

by David Farmer

On 7/30/12 11:02 CDT, Mike Horwath wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:00:34AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: >> No IPv6? > > But no one uses IPv6... Really no one? I have to disagree, since IPv6 launch we have seen a significant increase in IPv6 traffic. Yes, most of our traffic is still IPv4, but IPv6 is now at least a few percent instead of a few 100ths of a percent. So, I would say no one. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 30, 2012

Re: IP Address Space Request

by Mike Horwath

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:00:34AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > No IPv6? But no one uses IPv6... -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 30, 2012

Re: IP Address Space Request

by Brian Mort

Should get a block of that at the same time. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Justin Krejci <jkrejci(a)usinternet.com>wrote: > ** > No IPv6? > > > > On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 10:57 -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > > I'm happy to announce. We have received enough pledges for the IP > address space as well. The initial IPv4 request has been issued to > ARIN. > > Thanks! > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Brian Mort Network Engineer IV (ENA,ENS,ECDP) visit our website: arvig <http://www.arvig.com> (218) 346-8231 brian.mort(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 30, 2012

Re: IP Address Space Request

by Justin Krejci

No IPv6? On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 10:57 -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > I'm happy to announce. We have received enough pledges for the IP > address space as well. The initial IPv4 request has been issued to > ARIN. > > Thanks! > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 30, 2012

IP Address Space Request

by Jay Hanke

I'm happy to announce. We have received enough pledges for the IP address space as well. The initial IPv4 request has been issued to ARIN. Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 30, 2012

Re: Upgrade Volunteers Located

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 03:40:16PM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > Mike Bushard of Arvig and Anthony Anderberg of NUTelcom will be > running the MICE switch upgrade process. Pictures! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 27, 2012

Upgrade Volunteers Located

by Jay Hanke

Mike Bushard of Arvig and Anthony Anderberg of NUTelcom will be running the MICE switch upgrade process. If you have any special needs or would like to help out please get in touch with them. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 27, 2012

Juniper Core Switching Upgrade

by Jay Hanke

The MICE Steering Committee is please to announce we have received enough pledges to upgrade our MICE Core Switches. We will be purchasing the following configuration. EX4500-40F-VC1-FB 40 ports of 1G/10G SFP(+) EX4200-24T 24 port of 10/100/1000baseT We are planning to deploy these switches in a Virtual Chassis configuration just as the current switches are configured. We can also tack on SFP or SFP+ modules and get the MICE special pricing. If your company needs an optic for the new switches please contact me. All fiber connections or 10G connections will connect to the 4500. All copper connections will connect to the EX4200. The new switches will provide additional 10G ports required for the continued growth of traffic on MICE. Unlike our existing configuration, these switches will be the sole property of MICE. As part of the agreement with Juniper the existing core switches will be returned. We are looking for a volunteer(s) to oversee the migration and execute the cut. If you're interested please contact Jay. A special thanks to the all contributing members and for Juniper for assisting in making this happen! Thanks! MICE SC (Mike/Reid/Jay) ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 27, 2012

Re: IP Address Space

by Ryan Goldberg

Compudyne: $100 -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:01 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] IP Address Space So far I have: Hoyos Consulting: $100 Arvig: $100 Windomnet: $100 25% of the way there! Thanks!!! On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Dan Olsen <Dano(a)windomnet.com> wrote: > Jay: Windom is in for A $100 put it on our bill if you > could!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Thank You > > Dan Olsen- > > General Manager > Windomnet > 443 10th Street, PO box 38 Windom MN 56101 Southwest MN Broadband > Services > 110 South Hwy 86, PO Box 1006, Lakefield MN 56150 > > Voice 507-832-8007 > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Jay Hanke > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:30 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] IP Address Space > > Our current agreement for IP address space is expiring in October. > > I think this would be a good time to move to our own address space > directly from ARIN. > > To acquire end user address space from ARIN there is a one time fee of > $1250. > > Can we get some pledges? > > Jay > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2196 / Virus Database: 2437/5155 - Release Date: > 07/25/12 > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 27, 2012

Re: IP Address Space

by Hannigan, Martin

Count me in (personally) for $50 towards IPv4 address space. Best, -M< On 7/26/12 3:01 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: > So far I have: > > Hoyos Consulting: $100 > Arvig: $100 > Windomnet: $100 > > 25% of the way there! Thanks!!! > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Dan Olsen <Dano(a)windomnet.com> wrote: >> Jay: Windom is in for A $100 put it on our bill if you >> could!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Thank You >> >> Dan Olsen- >> >> General Manager >> Windomnet >> 443 10th Street, PO box 38 Windom MN 56101 >> Southwest MN Broadband Services >> 110 South Hwy 86, PO Box 1006, Lakefield MN 56150 >> >> Voice 507-832-8007 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay >> Hanke >> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:30 AM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] IP Address Space >> >> Our current agreement for IP address space is expiring in October. >> >> I think this would be a good time to move to our own address space directly >> from ARIN. >> >> To acquire end user address space from ARIN there is a one time fee of >> $1250. >> >> Can we get some pledges? >> >> Jay >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2196 / Virus Database: 2437/5155 - Release Date: 07/25/12 >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 26, 2012

Re: IP Address Space

by Jay Hanke

So far I have: Hoyos Consulting: $100 Arvig: $100 Windomnet: $100 25% of the way there! Thanks!!! On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Dan Olsen <Dano(a)windomnet.com> wrote: > Jay: Windom is in for A $100 put it on our bill if you > could!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Thank You > > Dan Olsen- > > General Manager > Windomnet > 443 10th Street, PO box 38 Windom MN 56101 > Southwest MN Broadband Services > 110 South Hwy 86, PO Box 1006, Lakefield MN 56150 > > Voice 507-832-8007 > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay > Hanke > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:30 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] IP Address Space > > Our current agreement for IP address space is expiring in October. > > I think this would be a good time to move to our own address space directly > from ARIN. > > To acquire end user address space from ARIN there is a one time fee of > $1250. > > Can we get some pledges? > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2196 / Virus Database: 2437/5155 - Release Date: 07/25/12 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 26, 2012

Re: IP Address Space

by Dan Olsen

Jay: Windom is in for A $100 put it on our bill if you could!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank You Dan Olsen- General Manager Windomnet 443 10th Street, PO box 38 Windom MN 56101 Southwest MN Broadband Services 110 South Hwy 86, PO Box 1006, Lakefield MN 56150 Voice 507-832-8007 -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:30 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] IP Address Space Our current agreement for IP address space is expiring in October. I think this would be a good time to move to our own address space directly from ARIN. To acquire end user address space from ARIN there is a one time fee of $1250. Can we get some pledges? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2196 / Virus Database: 2437/5155 - Release Date: 07/25/12 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 26, 2012

Re: IP Address Space

by Jay Hanke

> cash? :) > > (reference discussions from yesterday at Cologix meetings) > > I'll let Jay spring in here. Silver dollars are preferred. ;) Mankato Networks will agg them up and place the order with ARIN when we have enough cash. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 26, 2012

Re: IP Address Space

by Mike Bushard, Jr

Arvig is in for $100. Mike Bushard, Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:30 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] IP Address Space Our current agreement for IP address space is expiring in October. I think this would be a good time to move to our own address space directly from ARIN. To acquire end user address space from ARIN there is a one time fee of $1250. Can we get some pledges? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 26, 2012

Re: IP Address Space

by Mike Horwath

On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Andrew Hoyos <hoyosa(a)GMAIL.COM> wrote: > Hoyos Consulting is in for $100. Tell me where to mail a check. cash? :) (reference discussions from yesterday at Cologix meetings) I'll let Jay spring in here. -- Mike Horwath drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkely Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 26, 2012

Re: IP Address Space

by Andrew Hoyos

Hoyos Consulting is in for $100. Tell me where to mail a check. On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Jay Hanke wrote: > Our current agreement for IP address space is expiring in October. > > I think this would be a good time to move to our own address space > directly from ARIN. > > To acquire end user address space from ARIN there is a one time fee of $1250. > > Can we get some pledges? > > Jay > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 26, 2012

IP Address Space

by Jay Hanke

Our current agreement for IP address space is expiring in October. I think this would be a good time to move to our own address space directly from ARIN. To acquire end user address space from ARIN there is a one time fee of $1250. Can we get some pledges? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 26, 2012

Re: Jay's Third proposal

by Owen DeLong

The participant fee helps keep the equipment up to date. The discount helps encourage people to deploy technology that will allow the internet to continue to scale and promote the growth of the exchange, bringing additional members paying participant fees. Owen Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Brian Mort <brian.mort(a)ARVIG.COM> wrote: > While that helps move towards V6 how does that solve the issue of keeping equipment up to date? > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Owen DeLong <owend(a)he.net> wrote: > Here's a thought from the resident IPv6 evangelist... > > Charge a participation fee for IPv4-only peering, but offer a reduced fee for dual-stack! > > Owen > > On Jul 23, 2012, at 6:36 PM, David Farmer wrote: > > > I like the $250 a year for everyone, but call it a participation fee, it includes both your IPv4 and IPv6 address and your vote, If they wish it can include their first 1G port or they can participate through a connection to remote switch. I'd even suggest waving the first year's $250, that lets people really see the benefit or not before hitting them up with an invoice. Also, additional IPs could be $250 a year, but only one vote per Org. connecting. That way there is no incentive for connections to remote switch to not be full voting participants. > > > > I like the Idea of those that are clearly getting more value, those going for the 2nd GigE or a 10G paying a bit more. For sake of discussion lets say when you are sustaining 500Mb daily peak on the GigE you upgrade to a second or to 10G. A good price for 500Mb burstable or a 1G port is about $1000 a month. So an additional $1000 a year for a second 1G or $2000 a year for 10G is still a good deal compared to transit costs. > > > > If you want to make that $2500 for 2nd GigE and $5000 for 10G port for the life time of the switch (3 years or more) I'd be fine with that, too But, if you make it one time without any refresh we will have problems later. > > > > The Cologix corss-connect fees are still going to be the dominant expense for most people. > > > > Remember Metcalfe's law; > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law > > > > The benefit of a number of of small guys connecting may be worth more to the rest of us that to themselves. Having those that see clear benefit contribute more makes sense, while still having some minimal contribution from everyone. I wouldn't > > > > On 7/23/12 17:17 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote: > >> After a bunch of discussion both on and off the list, my thinking has > >> changed a little bit. > >> > >> I liked the lump payment with 10G ports idea that Mr Hoyos brought > >> forward. Also, I like the idea of everyone paying "something". > >> > >> Assuming free colo for long term (3-5 years) > >> > >> So how about the $5000 payment for new 10G ports on the main switch > >> and $250 annually for each IP assignment on the fabric regardless of > >> access method (be it remote or main switch). > >> > >> > > > > -- > > =============================================== > > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > > Networking & Telecommunication Services > > Office of Information Technology > > University of Minnesota > > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > > =============================================== > > > > ######################################################################## > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > -- > Brian Mort > Network Engineer IV (ENA,ENS,ECDP) > visit our website: arvig > (218) 346-8231 > brian.mort(a)arvig.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2012

Re: Jay's Third proposal

by Brian Mort

While that helps move towards V6 how does that solve the issue of keeping equipment up to date? On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Owen DeLong <owend(a)he.net> wrote: > Here's a thought from the resident IPv6 evangelist... > > Charge a participation fee for IPv4-only peering, but offer a reduced fee > for dual-stack! > > Owen > > On Jul 23, 2012, at 6:36 PM, David Farmer wrote: > > > I like the $250 a year for everyone, but call it a participation fee, it > includes both your IPv4 and IPv6 address and your vote, If they wish it > can include their first 1G port or they can participate through a > connection to remote switch. I'd even suggest waving the first year's > $250, that lets people really see the benefit or not before hitting them up > with an invoice. Also, additional IPs could be $250 a year, but only one > vote per Org. connecting. That way there is no incentive for connections > to remote switch to not be full voting participants. > > > > I like the Idea of those that are clearly getting more value, those > going for the 2nd GigE or a 10G paying a bit more. For sake of discussion > lets say when you are sustaining 500Mb daily peak on the GigE you upgrade > to a second or to 10G. A good price for 500Mb burstable or a 1G port is > about $1000 a month. So an additional $1000 a year for a second 1G or > $2000 a year for 10G is still a good deal compared to transit costs. > > > > If you want to make that $2500 for 2nd GigE and $5000 for 10G port for > the life time of the switch (3 years or more) I'd be fine with that, too > But, if you make it one time without any refresh we will have problems > later. > > > > The Cologix corss-connect fees are still going to be the dominant > expense for most people. > > > > Remember Metcalfe's law; > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law > > > > The benefit of a number of of small guys connecting may be worth more to > the rest of us that to themselves. Having those that see clear benefit > contribute more makes sense, while still having some minimal contribution > from everyone. I wouldn't > > > > On 7/23/12 17:17 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote: > >> After a bunch of discussion both on and off the list, my thinking has > >> changed a little bit. > >> > >> I liked the lump payment with 10G ports idea that Mr Hoyos brought > >> forward. Also, I like the idea of everyone paying "something". > >> > >> Assuming free colo for long term (3-5 years) > >> > >> So how about the $5000 payment for new 10G ports on the main switch > >> and $250 annually for each IP assignment on the fabric regardless of > >> access method (be it remote or main switch). > >> > >> > > > > -- > > =============================================== > > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > > Networking & Telecommunication Services > > Office of Information Technology > > University of Minnesota > > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > > =============================================== > > > > ######################################################################## > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Brian Mort Network Engineer IV (ENA,ENS,ECDP) visit our website: arvig <http://www.arvig.com> (218) 346-8231 brian.mort(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2012

Re: Jay's Third proposal

by Owen DeLong

Here's a thought from the resident IPv6 evangelist... Charge a participation fee for IPv4-only peering, but offer a reduced fee for dual-stack! Owen On Jul 23, 2012, at 6:36 PM, David Farmer wrote: > I like the $250 a year for everyone, but call it a participation fee, it includes both your IPv4 and IPv6 address and your vote, If they wish it can include their first 1G port or they can participate through a connection to remote switch. I'd even suggest waving the first year's $250, that lets people really see the benefit or not before hitting them up with an invoice. Also, additional IPs could be $250 a year, but only one vote per Org. connecting. That way there is no incentive for connections to remote switch to not be full voting participants. > > I like the Idea of those that are clearly getting more value, those going for the 2nd GigE or a 10G paying a bit more. For sake of discussion lets say when you are sustaining 500Mb daily peak on the GigE you upgrade to a second or to 10G. A good price for 500Mb burstable or a 1G port is about $1000 a month. So an additional $1000 a year for a second 1G or $2000 a year for 10G is still a good deal compared to transit costs. > > If you want to make that $2500 for 2nd GigE and $5000 for 10G port for the life time of the switch (3 years or more) I'd be fine with that, too But, if you make it one time without any refresh we will have problems later. > > The Cologix corss-connect fees are still going to be the dominant expense for most people. > > Remember Metcalfe's law; > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law > > The benefit of a number of of small guys connecting may be worth more to the rest of us that to themselves. Having those that see clear benefit contribute more makes sense, while still having some minimal contribution from everyone. I wouldn't > > On 7/23/12 17:17 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote: >> After a bunch of discussion both on and off the list, my thinking has >> changed a little bit. >> >> I liked the lump payment with 10G ports idea that Mr Hoyos brought >> forward. Also, I like the idea of everyone paying "something". >> >> Assuming free colo for long term (3-5 years) >> >> So how about the $5000 payment for new 10G ports on the main switch >> and $250 annually for each IP assignment on the fabric regardless of >> access method (be it remote or main switch). >> >> > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2012

3rd Proposal Model

by Jay Hanke

http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=262 This is the 3rd proposal model. I added legal fees and dropped back to 1 EX4500 switch rather than 2. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2012

Re: Jay's Third proposal

by David Farmer

I like the $250 a year for everyone, but call it a participation fee, it includes both your IPv4 and IPv6 address and your vote, If they wish it can include their first 1G port or they can participate through a connection to remote switch. I'd even suggest waving the first year's $250, that lets people really see the benefit or not before hitting them up with an invoice. Also, additional IPs could be $250 a year, but only one vote per Org. connecting. That way there is no incentive for connections to remote switch to not be full voting participants. I like the Idea of those that are clearly getting more value, those going for the 2nd GigE or a 10G paying a bit more. For sake of discussion lets say when you are sustaining 500Mb daily peak on the GigE you upgrade to a second or to 10G. A good price for 500Mb burstable or a 1G port is about $1000 a month. So an additional $1000 a year for a second 1G or $2000 a year for 10G is still a good deal compared to transit costs. If you want to make that $2500 for 2nd GigE and $5000 for 10G port for the life time of the switch (3 years or more) I'd be fine with that, too But, if you make it one time without any refresh we will have problems later. The Cologix corss-connect fees are still going to be the dominant expense for most people. Remember Metcalfe's law; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law The benefit of a number of of small guys connecting may be worth more to the rest of us that to themselves. Having those that see clear benefit contribute more makes sense, while still having some minimal contribution from everyone. I wouldn't On 7/23/12 17:17 CDT, Jay Hanke wrote: > After a bunch of discussion both on and off the list, my thinking has > changed a little bit. > > I liked the lump payment with 10G ports idea that Mr Hoyos brought > forward. Also, I like the idea of everyone paying "something". > > Assuming free colo for long term (3-5 years) > > So how about the $5000 payment for new 10G ports on the main switch > and $250 annually for each IP assignment on the fabric regardless of > access method (be it remote or main switch). > > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2012

Re: Jay's Third proposal

by Anthony Anderberg

Having joined the thoughtful discussion late I don't have too much to add but feel that we've certainly gotten to the point where it isn't fair to expect Jay to go around with hat-in-hand hoping for donations to keep us moving forward. I think this third proposal might be our best plan at the moment, everyone will be contributing to their share of reoccurring costs and it covers our biggest capital cost (10G ports) without getting too complicated for commodity 1G connections. We can try this sort of model and see how the math works out, if it doesn't cover our costs we can always opt for something more complicated. Additionally it's unlikely to generate a bank balance large enough to deter donations or make us look like anything more than we are. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 5:17 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Jay's Third proposal After a bunch of discussion both on and off the list, my thinking has changed a little bit. I liked the lump payment with 10G ports idea that Mr Hoyos brought forward. Also, I like the idea of everyone paying "something". Assuming free colo for long term (3-5 years) So how about the $5000 payment for new 10G ports on the main switch and $250 annually for each IP assignment on the fabric regardless of access method (be it remote or main switch). -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2012