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MICE renumbering project -- final cleanup 1/26/2013

by Doug McIntyre

I guess this slipped off my radar, meant to do this sooner. On Saturday, 1/26/2013 between 11:30PM and midnight, I'll be doing the final cleanup of renumbering on the MICE route reflector servers for the MICE renumbering project. This will be removing any trace of the old IP addressing off there, and rebooting each server in turn to clear everything out, while also reconfiguring BIRD to drop the original session, only leaving the new ones going. Then we can return the loan of the IP address space back to Airstream and close out this project. Let me know if there are any questions. Thanks. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 23, 2013

Re: Next MICE Meeting; Feb 20, 4 pm @ 511 Building

by David Farmer

The web page hasn't been updated with the new meeting, yet. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== On Jan 17, 2013, at 16:35, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson(a)ARVIG.COM> wrote: > All, > > We will be having our next MICE UG meeting at the 511 building conference room on Wednesday, February 20th at 4 pm. Current agenda items include: > - Steering Committee Elections > - Review/Resume Fee Discussions > - Netflix Update > > Please let me know if you have any additional items you would like added to the agenda. > > Cologix will be sponsoring the meeting and providing beverages and munchies for the meeting. Please remember to thank Mike Hemphill and the Cologix staff for their support. > > Thanks! > > s > > Shaun Carlson > Network Engineering Manager | Arvig > ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 22, 2013

Re: Next MICE Meeting; Feb 20, 4 pm @ 511 Building

by Jerry Bonner

Shaun, I'm not sure if there's been enough developments to warrant it, but we'd like to hear any updates on additional CDN participation. Google, Netflix, LLNW etc.... Thanks, ~jerry From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Shaun Carlson Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 4:35 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Next MICE Meeting; Feb 20, 4 pm @ 511 Building All, We will be having our next MICE UG meeting at the 511 building conference room on Wednesday, February 20th at 4 pm. Current agenda items include: - Steering Committee Elections - Review/Resume Fee Discussions - Netflix Update Please let me know if you have any additional items you would like added to the agenda. Cologix will be sponsoring the meeting and providing beverages and munchies for the meeting. Please remember to thank Mike Hemphill and the Cologix staff for their support. Thanks! s Shaun Carlson Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com<mailto:shaun.carlson@arvig.com> _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 22, 2013

Re: Participants List

by Doug McIntyre

> * It is complete, right? Have the old IPs been dropped from the route servers? Err, I guess I hadn't finished that last step. I'll schedule up an outage for each route server to clear everything out of there. Probably this Saturday night, although routing impact should be minimal when doing one at a time. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 21, 2013

Participants List

by Richard Laager

I just made an updating pass through the participants list. It's now up-to-date to the best of my knowledge...except for 3 providers who should be up, but I can't ping at all. I left them listed as up for now, and emailed their contacts. I dropped the old IPs now that the renumbering is complete.* If you object, please let me know and I can restore my backup copy. * It is complete, right? Have the old IPs been dropped from the route servers? -- Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 21, 2013

Next MICE Meeting; Feb 20, 4 pm @ 511 Building

by Shaun Carlson

All, We will be having our next MICE UG meeting at the 511 building conference room on Wednesday, February 20th at 4 pm. Current agenda items include: - Steering Committee Elections - Review/Resume Fee Discussions - Netflix Update Please let me know if you have any additional items you would like added to the agenda. Cologix will be sponsoring the meeting and providing beverages and munchies for the meeting. Please remember to thank Mike Hemphill and the Cologix staff for their support. Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson *Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 17, 2013

2013 MICE SC Elections

by Jay Hanke

We have one seat opening up on the MICE steering committee. We are looking for volunteers! As a member of the SC you'll oversee the business and marketing aspects of the MICE exchange including organizing the UG meetings. This is a 3 year term. The workload is fairly light but very important and rewarding. SC members do NOT need to be MICE members. Previous SC members may not run for the SC for 1 year after their term expires. There will be one election per year going forward. Here is a list of the present and past terms: Open Slot 2013-2016 (3 year) Shaun Carlson (Arvig)- 2012-2015 Elected (3 year) Reid Fishler (HE.net)- 2011-2014 Elected (3 year) Jay Hanke (Mankato Networks)- 2010-2013 Appointed (3 year) Not Eligible for election Mike Horwath (ipHouse)- 2010-2012 Appointed (2 year) Not Eligible for election Dave Farmer (UofM)- 2010-2011 Appointed (1 year) Eligible for election Please unicast your nominations to me at jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net. I will send out a notification when we get to 5 candidates. Thanks! Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 17, 2013

Re: Status of Integra

by Radzwon, Tony

Sorry all working on this again after the holidays should be up next week. On 1/16/13 3:55 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >Any updates? > >On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Radzwon, Tony ><Tony.Radzwon(a)integratelecom.com> wrote: >> Jeremy, >> >> We are getting close to turn up, with our company moratorium for the >>holiday >> season, we have some constraints on turning up this project at this >>time. >> >> Tony >> >> From: Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> >> Organization: Minnesota VoIP >> Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >> Date: Monday, December 3, 2012 10:58 PM >> To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Status of Integra >> >> Does anyone know the status of Integra turning up their connection? I >> believe the cross connect/xfp have been in place for a couple weeks now. >> >> ________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > >-- >Jay Hanke >CTO, CCIE #19093 >Mankato Networks LLC >PO Box 54 >619 S Front St >Mankato, MN 56001-3838 >Google 530-618-2398 >jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net >http://www.mankatonetworks.com > >######################################################################## > >To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: Status of Integra

by Jay Hanke

Any updates? On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Radzwon, Tony <Tony.Radzwon(a)integratelecom.com> wrote: > Jeremy, > > We are getting close to turn up, with our company moratorium for the holiday > season, we have some constraints on turning up this project at this time. > > Tony > > From: Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > Organization: Minnesota VoIP > Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Date: Monday, December 3, 2012 10:58 PM > To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Status of Integra > > Does anyone know the status of Integra turning up their connection? I > believe the cross connect/xfp have been in place for a couple weeks now. > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Chris Scheidecker

On Jan 16, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Doug McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:46:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote: It is back up Thanks much. My BGP link cleared its' alert, and things look good on the machine. Neither the logs nor the screen shot gives much information about why the machine panicd. We'll go with the random cosmic ray flipping cirtical bits. :-) -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net<mailto:merlyn@iphouse.net>> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 Looking good here, thanks guys! Chris Scheidecker - Infrastructure Engineer Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2044 Direct Dial Twitter<http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com<http://www.atomicdata.com/> This message and any information or attachments included therewith is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. Thank you. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:46:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > It is back up Thanks much. My BGP link cleared its' alert, and things look good on the machine. Neither the logs nor the screen shot gives much information about why the machine panicd. We'll go with the random cosmic ray flipping cirtical bits. :-) -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Jeremy Lumby

It is back up -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Doug McIntyre Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:34 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Route Server #1 On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:09:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > Attached is what is on the screen, let me know if you want me to power > cycle Wow, a FreeBSD kernel panic. Yes, the machine is dead, and needs a power cycle. It isn't often that I see a freebsd system panic like that. Thanks. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:09:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > Attached is what is on the screen, let me know if you want me to power cycle Wow, a FreeBSD kernel panic. Yes, the machine is dead, and needs a power cycle. It isn't often that I see a freebsd system panic like that. Thanks. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Jeremy Lumby

Attached is what is on the screen, let me know if you want me to power cycle From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Anthony Anderberg Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:03 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Route Server #1 The switch port is up so I'd guess it has power but there are no bits coming in so I'd assume the OS isn't up. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Route Server #1 I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Anthony Anderberg

The switch port is up so I'd guess it has power but there are no bits coming in so I'd assume the OS isn't up. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Route Server #1 I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Doug McIntyre

Sure, if you would check out power, network connectivity, etc. What is on the screen. The 2nd route server is up just fine. I'm not aware of any maintenance done on them by Mike (or myself) that would loose connectivity. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 02:56:00PM -0600, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > I lost my connection as well. I happen to be at 511 right now. Physically it looks fine. Let me know if anyone wants me to do something with it (plug in keyboard/monitor/ect). > > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Route Server #1 > > > I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. > > Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Jeremy Lumby

I lost my connection as well. I happen to be at 511 right now. Physically it looks fine. Let me know if anyone wants me to do something with it (plug in keyboard/monitor/ect). From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Route Server #1 I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: MICE Route Server #1

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 02:51:33PM -0600, Justin Krejci wrote: > I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no > ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. > > Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? Yeah, it seems to be MIA. Looks like a physical issue. :-( We'll have to see if we can get some remote hands and eyes for some power issue. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

MICE Route Server #1

by Justin Krejci

I lost my BGP session to the #1 server 9 minutes ago and currently no ping/arp/nd for ipv4 and ipv6. Everything else looks fine. Anyone seeing this or know if something is going on with the server? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 16, 2013

Re: Q1 new members

by Brady Kittel

HCMC is looking at connecting sometime this calendar year if logistics work out on our end. I'd be more specific but we're too early in the process to know for sure at this point. Obviously I'll update once we have a more specific idea for time frame Also would be helpful to have an idea of yearly maintenance costs up front and a valid Org/LLC to bill our finance dept so they can cut a PO for them if needed. If the business structure were in place on MICE's end I don't think it would be difficult for us to justify at least $1k a year in maintenance to the cooperative for a 1Gb connection. I suspect you would find similar responses from other enterprises our size. I haven't read all the posts on this yet but can I suggest a maintenance model that charges the first year of maintenance up front and then ongoing yearly (plus obviously the optics) with a different rate for "enterprise" connections vs ISP/CDN/Regional network connections with low or no costs to ISP/CDN/Regional network connections or maybe just initial one time per port costs for them. It seems to me that the value of a peering cooperative to its members is the number of available peer connections to other local networks with the value of the peer exchange being tipped towards having more ISP/CDN connections. I think this would continue to encourage more ISP/CDN connections (which is what most of the network consists of now) while providing for the ongoing financial needs of the cooperative with connections from Orgs who aren't just comparing the value of the cooperative directly to the cost of wholesale IP transit like us. We spend a lot of money on point to point vpn tunnels between us and other peers in our sector and it would advantageous for us to encourage them to join the cooperative as it would allow us to drop considerable monthly P2P circuit costs while increasing available bandwidth vs our current P2P setup. Many of them already have a presence in 511 already (IE: Allina, UHG, MNet, Fairview, City of MPLS, Hennepin County Gov) that I've noticed during a short tour and I suspect some of the vendors we have circuits to may also have a presence (Phillips, Cerner, GE) in 511 as well. It seems to me that the goal right now is to grow the cooperative as much as possible by keeping the cost of entry very cheap or free to ISP/CDN/Regional networks to encourage growth and dare I say it "synergy" that results in bringing in enterprise connections to fund the cooperative ongoing. Just a thought, maybe its been discussed in some form before but thought it might be useful input. On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > Just checking in for a status update if anyone knows of an update on new > members connecting. Last I heard Integra was going to wait to connect > after the holidays, and Netflix was looking at Q1 of this year. Please let > me know if anyone has any updates. > > I also remember something along the lines of maintenance fees going into > effect this year. Has anyone settled on a number yet? > > Jeremy > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 13, 2013

Q1 new members

by Jeremy Lumby

Just checking in for a status update if anyone knows of an update on new members connecting. Last I heard Integra was going to wait to connect after the holidays, and Netflix was looking at Q1 of this year. Please let me know if anyone has any updates. I also remember something along the lines of maintenance fees going into effect this year. Has anyone settled on a number yet? Jeremy ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 13, 2013

Re: Christmas Day traffic increase

by David Farmer

On 12/26/12 17:30 , Justin Krejci wrote: > Guessing Akamai helped feed lots of ipad/ipod activations and ios > updates yesterday. Looks like we hit the 3gig mark from just Akamai > alone almost. The Christmas morning peak was interesting, but the Christmas Eve evening one wasn't bad either. Especially since our traffic draw is down by more than a Gig from the normal due to winter break. We will recover some next week after New Years. But the Residence Halls are closed until just the weekend before class starts back up on January 22, so our traffic draw won't fully recover until late January. We were regularly well above a Gig in early December and Late November, and barely braking 300 to 400Mb this week. So 3 Gigs is really impressive with the very low draw from UMN. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 27, 2012

Christmas Day traffic increase

by Justin Krejci

Guessing Akamai helped feed lots of ipad/ipod activations and ios updates yesterday. Looks like we hit the 3gig mark from just Akamai alone almost. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 26, 2012

Re: Potential MICE member agreement

by Reid Fishler

1) Some parties don't like peering, and were forced to peer due to some legacy agreement, or because they bought someone who did peer, and now they are stuck. 2) Some companies feel that traffic needs to be equal in BOTH directions in order to increase a peer, not just 1. 3) Some companies are out of peering capacity in many cities, and what you have is what you can get. 4) Some companies forget (yes, really) that they peer with you, and if you have to contact them for more peering, they yank the peering and start a sales process. This is just some of what I know has happened with various companies in the past... Reid On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > ** > Reid, > > I knew I might open up a can of worms since I do not have a whole lot > of peering experience. Could you mention a couple hypothetical situations > to help some of the less experienced members better understand some of the > issues. > > Jeremy > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *Reid Fishler > *Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:11 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Potential MICE member agreement > > Speaking from experience, and NOT as a Hurricane employee, you are > thinking it is easy to expand peering. Trust us, it isn't. Its not just > emailing them and connecting a new cable. There are MANY reasons why some > peers are what they are. Again, let me state that I am NOT talking as a > Hurricane Employee. Thus, as a member of the steering committee, I would > have to vote against any agreement which tries to understand peering > agreements. > > Reid > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > >> I have not heard much discussion of maintenance fees lately, however a >> recent set of two situations brought an idea to the front of my mind. >> Should MICE have a very basic agreement with each of its members? The >> reason I bring this up is that we want to keep everyone's experience with >> the community positive. For example the agreement could contain a >> requirement to upgrade your connection if it is saturated to the point of >> causing packet loss (which I would assume members would want to do on their >> own). >> >> The reason I bring this up is because in the past few months I have run >> across carriers that I am purchasing from that had saturated peering. The >> two different carriers had two completely different approaches, and the >> second one concerns me, and is the reason I bring up the MICE agreement. >> The first was with Hurricane. They had a saturated link to Charter in >> Chicago. Within an hour of emailing in the details of what I had found to >> support, they had confirmed the issue, started sending me regular updates >> until the link upgrade was completed. Due to the short time period that >> this trouble ticket lasted, I felt it went much better than I would have >> hoped. >> >> The second issue was with Cogent. They had, and possibly still have a >> saturated peering link with TimeWarner in Chicago. It took me 3 emails >> with support across 2 business days to get them to believe the issue >> existed, and then once they got on the same page as me, the would not even >> provide me with updates on if they will even fix the issue. I have >> included their final support email below. After waiting a few days hoping >> they would just fix it, I was forced to manipulate BGP to avoid this >> saturated link. >> >> The bottom line is I bring this up because even though I am a paying >> customer of both carriers, the second situation made me feel powerless, and >> that I was not valued as a customer. I realize that they probably have >> their legal reasons to keep me in the dark, however it has now made me an >> unhappy customer, and if there was a simple agreement in place about how >> the peering link should be maintained, then there would be a timeframe for >> this to be resolved within. >> >> Jeremy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cogent Help Desk [mailto:support@cogentco.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:03 PM >> To: jlumby(a)mnvoip.com >> Subject: RE: #HD0000005266692-RE: Related Case: HD0000005265974-Packet >> Loss for customer TWINCITY00001 >> >> Dear Cogent Customer, >> >> The latency and/or packet loss that you are experiencing to this >> destination is due to occasional high traffic with our peer TimeWarner . >> Our peering engineers have made them aware of the continuing issue and are >> pending their response. Cogent is ready to act as soon as we have >> cooperation from our peer and they are ready to move forward. There is no >> estimated time of resolve. >> >> Please understand that Cogent does not discuss peering specific plans >> with our customers. Our customer support group will not be able to provide >> regular updates in regard to peer maintenance. If you have any questions >> please feel free to contact us by e-mail at support(a)cogentco.com or by >> phone at 877-7COGENT (877-726-4368). >> >> Thank You, >> >> Cogent Communications >> T 877.726.4368, option 2 >> F 202.295.9061 >> E support(a)cogentco.com >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> > > > -- > Reid Fishler > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: Potential MICE member agreement

by Jeremy Lumby

Reid, I knew I might open up a can of worms since I do not have a whole lot of peering experience. Could you mention a couple hypothetical situations to help some of the less experienced members better understand some of the issues. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:11 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Potential MICE member agreement Speaking from experience, and NOT as a Hurricane employee, you are thinking it is easy to expand peering. Trust us, it isn't. Its not just emailing them and connecting a new cable. There are MANY reasons why some peers are what they are. Again, let me state that I am NOT talking as a Hurricane Employee. Thus, as a member of the steering committee, I would have to vote against any agreement which tries to understand peering agreements. Reid On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: I have not heard much discussion of maintenance fees lately, however a recent set of two situations brought an idea to the front of my mind. Should MICE have a very basic agreement with each of its members? The reason I bring this up is that we want to keep everyone's experience with the community positive. For example the agreement could contain a requirement to upgrade your connection if it is saturated to the point of causing packet loss (which I would assume members would want to do on their own). The reason I bring this up is because in the past few months I have run across carriers that I am purchasing from that had saturated peering. The two different carriers had two completely different approaches, and the second one concerns me, and is the reason I bring up the MICE agreement. The first was with Hurricane. They had a saturated link to Charter in Chicago. Within an hour of emailing in the details of what I had found to support, they had confirmed the issue, started sending me regular updates until the link upgrade was completed. Due to the short time period that this trouble ticket lasted, I felt it went much better than I would have hoped. The second issue was with Cogent. They had, and possibly still have a saturated peering link with TimeWarner in Chicago. It took me 3 emails with support across 2 business days to get them to believe the issue existed, and then once they got on the same page as me, the would not even provide me with updates on if they will even fix the issue. I have included their final support email below. After waiting a few days hoping they would just fix it, I was forced to manipulate BGP to avoid this saturated link. The bottom line is I bring this up because even though I am a paying customer of both carriers, the second situation made me feel powerless, and that I was not valued as a customer. I realize that they probably have their legal reasons to keep me in the dark, however it has now made me an unhappy customer, and if there was a simple agreement in place about how the peering link should be maintained, then there would be a timeframe for this to be resolved within. Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: Cogent Help Desk [mailto:support@cogentco.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:03 PM To: jlumby(a)mnvoip.com Subject: RE: #HD0000005266692-RE: Related Case: HD0000005265974-Packet Loss for customer TWINCITY00001 Dear Cogent Customer, The latency and/or packet loss that you are experiencing to this destination is due to occasional high traffic with our peer TimeWarner . Our peering engineers have made them aware of the continuing issue and are pending their response. Cogent is ready to act as soon as we have cooperation from our peer and they are ready to move forward. There is no estimated time of resolve. Please understand that Cogent does not discuss peering specific plans with our customers. Our customer support group will not be able to provide regular updates in regard to peer maintenance. If you have any questions please feel free to contact us by e-mail at support(a)cogentco.com or by phone at 877-7COGENT (877-726-4368). Thank You, Cogent Communications T 877.726.4368, option 2 F 202.295.9061 E support(a)cogentco.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Reid Fishler To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012