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Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Hannigan, Martin

I agree, the technical conditions are probably met. But there are other criteria that go into these decisions like costs of rack, power and availability and cost of cache fill transit. Best, -M< On Feb 21, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Brady Kittel <bkittel(a)GMAIL.COM<mailto:bkittel@GMAIL.COM>> wrote: Sounds like Reid is already on this. Their tipping point is 1Gbps of cachable traffic to Google. We're doing 200Mbps ourselves so I'd guess MICE would easily tip the scales. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Russell Berg <berg(a)wins.net<mailto:berg@wins.net>> wrote: Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. Russ Airstream Communications -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 24, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Reid Fishler

Yes, I am. Reid On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com>wrote: > Reid, > > > > Are you working with peering and/or caching with Google and/or Netflix? > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *Reid Fishler > *Sent:* Friday, February 21, 2014 4:52 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > > > I am already on Netflix also...just not as good results yet. I am working > on it. > > > > Reid > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Nathan Beard <nbeard(a)stellarllc.net> > wrote: > > I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE > were to implement this. > > Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering > solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the > Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have > been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be > very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is > something that be of great benefit to Stellar. > > Thanks! > > > > On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > > Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. > > > > Russ > > Airstream Communications > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > > > Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? > > > > ######################################################################## > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > ######################################################################## > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > -- > Reid Fishler > Director > Hurricane Electric > +1-510-580-4178 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 23, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Frank Bulk

Reid, Are you working with peering and/or caching with Google and/or Netflix? Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 4:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? I am already on Netflix also...just not as good results yet. I am working on it. Reid On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Nathan Beard <nbeard(a)stellarllc.net<mailto:nbeard@stellarllc.net>> wrote: I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE were to implement this. Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is something that be of great benefit to Stellar. Thanks! [cid:image001.png@01CF3007.DBDA12C0] On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. Russ Airstream Communications -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 23, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Dan Olsen

Reid. Do you need member support to help with Netflix etc Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: >I am already on Netflix also...just not as good results yet. I am working on it. > > >Reid > > > >On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Nathan Beard <nbeard(a)stellarllc.net> wrote: > >I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE were to implement this. > >Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is something that be of great benefit to Stellar. > >Thanks! > > > > > >On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > >Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. Russ Airstream Communications -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > >To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > >-- >Reid Fishler >Director >Hurricane Electric >+1-510-580-4178 > > >To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Reid Fishler

I am already on Netflix also...just not as good results yet. I am working on it. Reid On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Nathan Beard <nbeard(a)stellarllc.net> wrote: > I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE > were to implement this. > > Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering > solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the > Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have > been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be > very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is > something that be of great benefit to Stellar. > > Thanks! > > > On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > > Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. > > Russ > Airstream Communications > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Netflix

by Jeremy Lumby

I have had conversations with Netflix about peering in Minneapolis, and they have said that the project has existed for years, however it keeps getting bumped back for other projects (European expansion is one that they mentioned). I do not have a great direct contact to do some arm twisting with. From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Nathan Beard Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 4:35 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE were to implement this. Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is something that be of great benefit to Stellar. Thanks! On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements.RussAirstream Communications-----Original Message-----From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady KittelSent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AMTo: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NETSubject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest?Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share?########################################################################To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1###########… unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Brady Kittel

Sounds like Reid is already on this. Their tipping point is 1Gbps of cachable traffic to Google. We're doing 200Mbps ourselves so I'd guess MICE would easily tip the scales. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Russell Berg <berg(a)wins.net> wrote: > Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to > poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get > more accurate bandwidth measurements. > > Russ > Airstream Communications > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Brady Kittel > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I > filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster > for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to > connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable > content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. > Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Nathan Beard

I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE were to implement this. Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is something that be of great benefit to Stellar. Thanks! On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. > > Russ > Airstream Communications > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Russell Berg

Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. Russ Airstream Communications -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Reid Fishler

I believe I have taken the lead with this. :-) Reid On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Brady Kittel <bkittel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I > filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster > for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to > connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable > content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. > Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Multicast on MICE?

by Danny Meister

Not multicast, but we saw really high utilization on our MICE link for the past few hours, probably due to USA/Canada hockey. Its tapering off now to normal levels. -Danny Danny Meister - Network Engineer, Level II Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2071 Direct Dial Twitter<http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com<http://www.atomicdata.com/> From: Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg(a)NU-TELECOM.NET<mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Date: Friday, February 21, 2014 at 12:46 PM To: "MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>" <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Multicast on MICE? Is anyone doing substantial IP multicast across MICE today (IPTV, ect)? Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Multicast on MICE?

by Anthony Anderberg

Is anyone doing substantial IP multicast across MICE today (IPTV, ect)? Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Google Global Cache Interest?

by Brady Kittel

Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: AS33125 (Spiralight) removal from MICE

by Doug McIntyre

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 02:52:35PM -0800, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > As you may know, Wisconsin Independent Network (WIN) recently purchased the most of the assets of Spiralight Network, and they have been working to fold those into their network. > > As such, the AS33125 MICE port was turned off this morning, and will stay down. > > Just a FYI for folks, to clean up sessions/route servers/member info page, etc. Thanks for the heads up, we didn't know, and were wondering where the BGP unilateral peering had gone. There isn't anything configed in the route servers, so nothing to clean up there. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 20, 2014

AS33125 (Spiralight) removal from MICE

by Andrew Hoyos

Hi folks, As you may know, Wisconsin Independent Network (WIN) recently purchased the most of the assets of Spiralight Network, and they have been working to fold those into their network. As such, the AS33125 MICE port was turned off this morning, and will stay down. Just a FYI for folks, to clean up sessions/route servers/member info page, etc. AS33125 will continue to operate as Bug Tussel Wireless (which was a sister company to Spiralight), however, just with a Wisconsin footprint. Thanks! Andrew -- Andrew Hoyos Hoyos Consulting LLC ofc: +1 608 616 9950 andrew(a)hoyosconsulting.com http://www.hoyosconsulting.com/ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 20, 2014

Re: Mice Issues

by Andrew Hoyos

I'd agree. I've posted this a few times before, but AMS-IX has an *excellent* guide on how to properly configure your ports facing the IX (both in routed port or layer2 port scenario). https://www.ams-ix.net/config-guide/ Spanning tree interaction between the IX and members is just a recipe for disaster. I think if everyone takes a few minutes to review that and properly configure ports, most of these concerns would be alleviated. Thanks! Andrew -- Andrew Hoyos Hoyos Consulting LLC ofc: +1 608 616 9950 andrew(a)hoyosconsulting.com http://www.hoyosconsulting.com/ On Feb 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > I think we should revisit the topic of how to better protect MICE from these Layer 2 issues that we have had a few of in the history of MICE. I feel that stability is extremely important, especially when it comes to attracting new members, as well as getting existing members to increase their capacity. I know that many of the Layer 2 security measures that are possible for the exchange increase the amount of administrative time that needs to be put into the exchange, however I feel it may be very well worth the extra work when adding/maintaining members' connections > > I was looking through my log files, and during the outage, I saw a bunch of entries stating: > %IPV6-3-CONFLICT: Router FE80::21D:71FF:FE98:74C0 on GigabitEthernet0/2 has conflicting ND settings > I am not very familiar with this error, and not sure if it was just as a result of the degraded conditions on MICE, or if it had something to do with the cause. > > Jeremy > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 20, 2014

Re: Mice Issues

by Jeremy Lumby

I think we should revisit the topic of how to better protect MICE from these Layer 2 issues that we have had a few of in the history of MICE. I feel that stability is extremely important, especially when it comes to attracting new members, as well as getting existing members to increase their capacity. I know that many of the Layer 2 security measures that are possible for the exchange increase the amount of administrative time that needs to be put into the exchange, however I feel it may be very well worth the extra work when adding/maintaining members' connections I was looking through my log files, and during the outage, I saw a bunch of entries stating: %IPV6-3-CONFLICT: Router FE80::21D:71FF:FE98:74C0 on GigabitEthernet0/2 has conflicting ND settings I am not very familiar with this error, and not sure if it was just as a result of the degraded conditions on MICE, or if it had something to do with the cause. Jeremy ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 20, 2014

Re: MICE Traffic

by Mike Horwath

On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: > It looks like we ran over 29 Gb/s of legit traffic (in+out) earlier > this afternoon! That’s awesome! -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 20, 2014

MICE Traffic

by Jay Hanke

It looks like we ran over 29 Gb/s of legit traffic (in+out) earlier this afternoon! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 20, 2014

Re: Mice Issues

by Jeremy Lumby

Charter Update: I am providing this update to let others know what I went through after the outage to get re-connected to Charter in the event that others are seeing similar issues, hopefully it can cut a lot of troubleshooting time. -When the outage happened yesterday I shut down my MICE port. -All traffic shifted to my other upstreams as expected, other than Charter -I could not pass 2 way traffic with anyone on Charter's network. -Some traceroutes from Charter's side showed that traffic heading to me was hitting their peering router that was connected to MICE, even though my BGP session with them had been down for hours -Charter's peering router showed that my BGP session was still established through MICE from prior to the outage starting. -Charter attempted to clear the BGP connection to me as well as do a shutdown on my neighbor statement, however whenever they looked at it, it still showed established with the timer reflecting it being up prior to the MICE outage. -I turned my MICE port back up, and return traffic from Charter started making it to me, despite BGP being down from my point of view. -It took Charter removing all of their neighbor statements to me, and re-entering them before BGP properly re-established in both directions. -The entire time our IPv6 session worked as expected -We are both running Cisco hardware, I believe they have a 9K and I have a 7206VXR-G2 I hope this helps others out with troubleshooting in the future Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:58 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Mice Issues On 2/19/14, 17:45 , Jeremy Lumby wrote: > Is anyone else having issues with connectivity to Charter? I have > re-established connectivity to every one else through my other > upstreams, other than Charter. I am keeping my MICE port down > overnight for good measure. Our peering with Charter has reestablished via MICE, everything looks good here. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 20, 2014

Re: Mice Issues

by David Farmer

On 2/19/14, 17:45 , Jeremy Lumby wrote: > Is anyone else having issues with connectivity to Charter? I have > re-established connectivity to every one else through my other > upstreams, other than Charter. I am keeping my MICE port down overnight > for good measure. Our peering with Charter has reestablished via MICE, everything looks good here. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 19, 2014

Re: Mice Issues

by Dan Boehlke

So next question, which flavor of spanning tree is best. I configured PVST on a reflex, but remembered that the MICE switch is a Juniper, not a Cisco. Simple dot1d? -- Dan B. On Feb 19, 2014, at 5:50 PM, David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU> wrote: > On 2/19/14, 17:43 , Richard Laager wrote: >> On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 17:40 -0600, Dan Boehlke wrote: >>> The Vaultas switch has been configured to participate in spanning-tree >> >> Is that really what we want? > > There are philosophical arguments both ways on this one. Given our cooperative management there is an argument to having spanning tree there to catch us if/when we screw up. > > In a very tightly managed situation where there can be no loops then there is an argument to turn-off spanning tree, but god help you if there ever is a loop. > > > -- > ================================================ > David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 > ================================================ > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 19, 2014

Re: Mice Issues

by David Farmer

On 2/19/14, 17:43 , Richard Laager wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 17:40 -0600, Dan Boehlke wrote: >> The Vaultas switch has been configured to participate in spanning-tree > > Is that really what we want? There are philosophical arguments both ways on this one. Given our cooperative management there is an argument to having spanning tree there to catch us if/when we screw up. In a very tightly managed situation where there can be no loops then there is an argument to turn-off spanning tree, but god help you if there ever is a loop. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 19, 2014

Re: Mice Issues

by Dan Boehlke

I was just thinking that, because generally exchange point best practice is to turn spanning tree off. So maybe I shouldn't be embarrassed for not having done it.... :-( -- Dan B. On Feb 19, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 17:40 -0600, Dan Boehlke wrote: >> The Vaultas switch has been configured to participate in spanning-tree > > Is that really what we want? > > -- > Richard > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 19, 2014

Re: Mice Issues

by Jeremy Lumby

Is anyone else having issues with connectivity to Charter? I have re-established connectivity to every one else through my other upstreams, other than Charter. I am keeping my MICE port down overnight for good measure. From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Dan Boehlke Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:41 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Mice Issues The Vaultas switch has been configured to participate in spanning-tree, so it won't blindly go along with loops any more. Sorry. The Vaultas switch didn't make the loop, it just made it worse. Any word on the origination of the loop? -- Dan Boehlke dboehlke(a)mac.com On Feb 19, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: Got ssh, that mac doug sent out belongs to Vaultas. On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net> wrote: There are two Extreme networks on the Mankato Remote switch, Vaultas and Revnet. I don't have ssh right now, can someone check? On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 04:03:15PM -0600, Richard Laager wrote: Can someone look at the route server logs and see who the new IPv4 peer was that showed up just before this problem started? Nobody turned up recently. A better measure is who turned up on the switch rather than the route-server. This was a l2 flood, not anything in routing. No ports were up/down on the switch until the flood triggered my port and Implex's port offline (probably the same class of cisco switch protecting themselves from the l2 flood). Feb 19 15:11:45 MICE-SW1 mib2d[1107]: SNMP_TRAP_LINK_DOWN: ifIndex 604, ifAdminStatus up(1), ifOperStatus down(2), ifName ge-1/0/3 Feb 19 15:11:48 MICE-SW1 mib2d[1107]: SNMP_TRAP_LINK_DOWN: ifIndex 606, ifAdminStatus up(1), ifOperStatus down(2), ifName ge-1/0/5 So, it probably was from one of the existing remote switches. The MAC address I posted about before is an Extreme? switch. Also, the l2 flood seems abated. I've been pinging clear to the route servers for 5 minutes now. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 19, 2014