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Re: FYI: Problem with 10Gbps link to CNS switch

by Jason Hanke

Having a spare optic or two on hand in the MICE rack would be really good. <hint>That would make a really good donation.</hint> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > If no one can do it sooner, I have a Juniper branded SFP+ I can drop off tomorrow afternoon. > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:27 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FYI: Problem with 10Gbps link to CNS switch > > FYI: There is a problem with the 10Gig link between the CNS switch > (Ten0/9) and the Juniper switch (xe-0/0/29). > > The Juniper reports low receive light level and drops/restarts the link. After a few rounds of this, the CNS switch err-disable's the port due to link flapping. Our friends at Cologix worked on the fibers over the weekend, but there was no improvement. We'll ship some new optics for the CNS switch to 511. Does anybody near 511 have a spare 10Gig optic for the Juniper switch that can be swapped in temporarily to help troubleshoot the problem? > > Thanks, > Steve -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 22, 2015

Re: FYI: Problem with 10Gbps link to CNS switch

by Jeremy Lumby

If no one can do it sooner, I have a Juniper branded SFP+ I can drop off tomorrow afternoon. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FYI: Problem with 10Gbps link to CNS switch FYI: There is a problem with the 10Gig link between the CNS switch (Ten0/9) and the Juniper switch (xe-0/0/29). The Juniper reports low receive light level and drops/restarts the link. After a few rounds of this, the CNS switch err-disable's the port due to link flapping. Our friends at Cologix worked on the fibers over the weekend, but there was no improvement. We'll ship some new optics for the CNS switch to 511. Does anybody near 511 have a spare 10Gig optic for the Juniper switch that can be swapped in temporarily to help troubleshoot the problem? Thanks, Steve

June 22, 2015

FYI: Problem with 10Gbps link to CNS switch

by Steve Howard

FYI: There is a problem with the 10Gig link between the CNS switch (Ten0/9) and the Juniper switch (xe-0/0/29). The Juniper reports low receive light level and drops/restarts the link. After a few rounds of this, the CNS switch err-disable's the port due to link flapping. Our friends at Cologix worked on the fibers over the weekend, but there was no improvement. We'll ship some new optics for the CNS switch to 511. Does anybody near 511 have a spare 10Gig optic for the Juniper switch that can be swapped in temporarily to help troubleshoot the problem? Thanks, Steve

June 22, 2015

Re: Please welcome Vast Broadband to MICE

by Anthony Anderberg

Route server setup is complete, welcome! Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Hanke Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:28 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Please welcome Vast Broadband to MICE Port: xe-0/0/32 (Main Switch) Name: Vast Broadband ASN: 20412 IPv4: 206.108.255.24/24 IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::242001:504:27:0:0:4fbc::1/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)vastbroadband.com Route Server configuration and website updates please! Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 19, 2015

Re: MICE Peers/Prefixes/Addresses

by Anthony Anderberg

The route server graphs (peers/prefixes) was an experiment I did while bored one weekend a few years ago when my wife was away on a shopping trip. It uses a set of scripts to collect the data from the looking glass router, and that seems to work OK but the data import into Cacti randomly fails and I haven't had time to figure out why. The graphs seem right over-all but are missing random poll-cycles in the short-term views (they're averaged out in the monthly/yearly views.) Anyway, I've been hoping this group included a Cacti wizard who could make quick work out of the problem someday... Cheers, anthony Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Johnston Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:47 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Peers/Prefixes/Addresses I am looking at the "MICE Route Server" graphs in Cacti. I am noticing a handful of missing pieces in those graphs from the past 1.5 days. Is everything working correctly? -- Mike Johnston Wikstrom Telephone Company

June 19, 2015

Please welcome Vast Broadband to MICE

by Jason Hanke

Port: xe-0/0/32 (Main Switch) Name: Vast Broadband ASN: 20412 IPv4: 206.108.255.24/24 IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::242001:504:27:0:0:4fbc::1/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)vastbroadband.com Route Server configuration and website updates please! Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 19, 2015

MICE Peers/Prefixes/Addresses

by Mike Johnston

I am looking at the "MICE Route Server" graphs in Cacti. I am noticing a handful of missing pieces in those graphs from the past 1.5 days. Is everything working correctly? -- Mike Johnston Wikstrom Telephone Company

June 19, 2015

Fwd: Upcoming Special and Regular Meetings

by Shaun Carlson

FYI, just a reminder email. s *Shaun Carlson*Senior Manager of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com> Date: Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:31 PM Subject: Upcoming Special and Regular Meetings To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)lists.iphouse.net>, " mice-announce(a)lists.iphouse.net" <mice-announce(a)lists.iphouse.net> All, I've attached the legal documents with the suggested amendments. Please turn on viewing with markup to see the changes and comments. Please reply back to the list with any comments or discussion prior to the upcoming meetings. *Special Meeting (Virtual Only): Discuss 501.(c)6* - Tuesday, June 23rd at 4:00 PM - Webex Meeting Number: 190 552 992 *Regular, Quarterly Meeting (On-Site and Virtual): Vote on 501.(c)6* - Wednesday, July 15th at 4:00 PM - Location: 511 Building Cafeteria - Webex Meeting Number: 196 840 950 Please let me know if you need any additional follow-up or information. s *Shaun Carlson*Senior Manager of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com

June 19, 2015

Upcoming Special and Regular Meetings

by Shaun Carlson

All, I've attached the legal documents with the suggested amendments. Please turn on viewing with markup to see the changes and comments. Please reply back to the list with any comments or discussion prior to the upcoming meetings. *Special Meeting (Virtual Only): Discuss 501.(c)6* - Tuesday, June 23rd at 4:00 PM - Webex Meeting Number: 190 552 992 *Regular, Quarterly Meeting (On-Site and Virtual): Vote on 501.(c)6* - Wednesday, July 15th at 4:00 PM - Location: 511 Building Cafeteria - Webex Meeting Number: 196 840 950 Please let me know if you need any additional follow-up or information. s *Shaun Carlson*Senior Manager of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com

June 11, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Hannigan, Martin

> On Jun 4, 2015, at 2:37 PM, David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU> wrote: > > On 6/4/15 15:48 , Hannigan, Martin wrote: >>> On Jun 4, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: >>> >>> Marty- >>> As with SIX, the node operates as an extension. The core switch/switches will remain in Cologix. >> >> Suboptimal, unfortunately. > > Yes, this is not fully optimal yet, I want to see at least a second core site eventually. However, given; > > 1. This is our first announced remote site. > 2. There are other remote sites in the pipeline, I believe. > 3. Finally, none of the remote sites are even operational yet. > > Therefore, I suggest we defer the issue of another core site until the remote site picture develops a little bit. At this point picking the correct facility for an additional core site is premature, we are more likely to pick wrong than right at this point. > > I'm happy to consider the issue when there are operational remote sites with more than 2 or 3 participants each. Sounds better. Remember, SIX isn’t captured by the colo, MICE is for all intents and purposes. A second core should be a priority and help provide competitive pressure to make that less of an issue and provide real benefits for the members. Thanks for the vision. Appreciated. Best, -M<

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by David Farmer

On 6/4/15 15:48 , Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: >> >> Marty- >> As with SIX, the node operates as an extension. The core switch/switches will remain in Cologix. > > Suboptimal, unfortunately. Yes, this is not fully optimal yet, I want to see at least a second core site eventually. However, given; 1. This is our first announced remote site. 2. There are other remote sites in the pipeline, I believe. 3. Finally, none of the remote sites are even operational yet. Therefore, I suggest we defer the issue of another core site until the remote site picture develops a little bit. At this point picking the correct facility for an additional core site is premature, we are more likely to pick wrong than right at this point. I'm happy to consider the issue when there are operational remote sites with more than 2 or 3 participants each. Thanks -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Jason Hanke

>> As with SIX, the node operates as an extension. The core switch/switches will remain in Cologix. >> > Suboptimal, unfortunately. > Marty, Could you clarify? If the switch is connected with plenty of bandwidth what difference does it make if we call it core or remote? Methinks the hardware is equivalent or at least on par with the core gear in this case. Jay

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Richard Laager

Martin, Can you provide a specific, *actionable* proposal of what it is you'd like the exchange entity to do? For example: I want MICE LLC to create a second, separate and co-equal site at location X. By separate, I mean it would not be interconnected with the existing switches at 511. We need a switch with Y ports of 10 Gig, which will be provided by company Z. Companies A & B are also committed to peer there and I believe this meets the requirements for an IP allocation from ARIN. Or: I want MICE LLC to lease space and power at, and fibers from 511 to location X. That is, MICE is responsible for hauling traffic between sites. We need a switch with Y ports of 10 Gig. The revenue to pay for this will come from company Z for the first A years. Or: I want MICE LLC to lease space, power, and fibers from 511 to location X. That is, MICE is responsible for hauling traffic between sites. We need a switch with Y ports of 10 Gig. The revenue to pay for this will come from charging member and port fees in the amount of $A/year and $B/year. Or whatever it is that you're actually proposing. -- Richard

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Steve Howard

On 06/04/2015 03:53 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: >> >> Marty- >> There is no reason at all to put a core node where there are no peers.If at some point the users wish to make any extension node a core node, that can be voted on. SIX does this successfully, there is no reason why we cannot as well. >> >> Reid > We disagree. > > Best, > > -M< > It has been a long day so maybe I'm just not thinking clearly. But, what exactly is a "core" node in this context? Looking over the SIX page at: https://www.seattleix.net/topology.html I can't see how the Extension switches that are connected to their Arista switch are any different than their Extreme & Nexus switches that are in their "core". Is "core" determined by who owns it? who maintains it? number of connected hosts? "network-central" location? total bandwidth? spanning tree priority (!!!)? Is there some layer 3 routing in there somewhere? I'm confused! Please enlighten me!

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Hannigan, Martin

> On Jun 4, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > > Marty- > There is no reason at all to put a core node where there are no peers.If at some point the users wish to make any extension node a core node, that can be voted on. SIX does this successfully, there is no reason why we cannot as well. > > Reid We disagree. Best, -M<

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Reid Fishler

Marty- There is no reason at all to put a core node where there are no peers.If at some point the users wish to make any extension node a core node, that can be voted on. SIX does this successfully, there is no reason why we cannot as well. Reid On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > On Jun 4, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > > > > Marty- > > As with SIX, the node operates as an extension. The core > switch/switches will remain in Cologix. > > > > > > Suboptimal, unfortunately. > > > Best, > > -M< > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Hannigan, Martin

> On Jun 4, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: > > Marty- > As with SIX, the node operates as an extension. The core switch/switches will remain in Cologix. > Suboptimal, unfortunately. Best, -M<

June 4, 2015

Re: Route Server stability

by Jeff Anderson

That’s us switching out CWDM gear over the last couple days! Jeff Anderson jeffa(a)implex.net<mailto:jeffa@implex.net> 612.799.7277 Cell 612.339.8255 x200 Office 612.339.3310 Fax [cid:image001.jpg@01D09EDD.4B2A0370] From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Tim Peiffer Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 12:16 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Route Server stability Yes. 206.108.255.5 . I apologize for confusing the addresses with the route servers. I will contact implex directly.. again, my apologies. Tim On 6/4/15 11:57 AM, Matthew Beckwell wrote: Tim, The IP/AS you referenced belongs to Implex...is that the peer you're seeing drop? ~Matthew On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Tim Peiffer <peiffer(a)umn.edu<mailto:peiffer@umn.edu>> wrote: The route reflectors have been bouncing a few times in the last 2 days. The connections had been pretty stable since the route reflectors were swapped out back at the end of March. 206.108.255.5/AS21709.micemn.net<http://206.108.255.5/AS21709.micemn.net> -- Tim Peiffer Network Support Engineer Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota/NorthernLights GigaPOP +1 612 626-7884<tel:%2B1%20612%20626-7884> (desk) ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Tim Peiffer Network Support Engineer Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota/NorthernLights GigaPOP +1 612 626-7884 (desk) ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Beatrice, Tim L

6875 Shady Oak Road Eden Prairie, MN 55344 Tim Beatrice Charter Communications From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 2:25 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Application for Extension Node You would have to ask them. Reid On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Andrew Hoyos <hoyosa(a)gmail.com<mailto:hoyosa@gmail.com>> wrote: Where’s Edgeconnex located at in MSP? On Jun 4, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net<mailto:rfishler@he.net>> wrote: I am pleased to announce that Edgeconnex Minneapolis has applied to be an extension node as per the rules we discussed at the last meeting. They will be providing us with the gear and connectivity to their site, and have promised to make a donation to the exchange as well. Does anyone have any objections to Edgeconnex being approved for an extension node? The board does not see an issue. Reid -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178<tel:%2B1-510-580-4178> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Jason Hanke

> Are they going to be charging port fees to their side of the link > customers? If so will that cause issues? When I operated a remote switch I charged some cost recovery fees on 10G ports. I'm not sure what CNS currently does. I don't think charging is a problem as if one of the remote switch operators isn't playing fair one can move their bits elsewhere. jay

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Reid Fishler

You would have to ask them. Reid On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Andrew Hoyos <hoyosa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Where’s Edgeconnex located at in MSP? > > > On Jun 4, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: > > I am pleased to announce that Edgeconnex Minneapolis has applied to be an > extension node as per the rules we discussed at the last meeting. They will > be providing us with the gear and connectivity to their site, and have > promised to make a donation to the exchange as well. Does anyone have any > objections to Edgeconnex being approved for an extension node? The board > does not see an issue. > > Reid > > > -- > Reid Fishler > Director > Hurricane Electric > +1-510-580-4178 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Andrew Hoyos

Where’s Edgeconnex located at in MSP? > On Jun 4, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: > > I am pleased to announce that Edgeconnex Minneapolis has applied to be an extension node as per the rules we discussed at the last meeting. They will be providing us with the gear and connectivity to their site, and have promised to make a donation to the exchange as well. Does anyone have any objections to Edgeconnex being approved for an extension node? The board does not see an issue. > > Reid > > > -- > Reid Fishler > Director > Hurricane Electric > +1-510-580-4178 > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1>

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Reid Fishler

Marty- As with SIX, the node operates as an extension. The core switch/switches will remain in Cologix. Reid On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 01:46:22PM -0400, Reid Fishler wrote: > >> I am pleased to announce that Edgeconnex Minneapolis has applied to > >> be an extension node as per the rules we discussed at the last > >> meeting. They will be providing us with the gear and connectivity to > >> their site, and have promised to make a donation to the exchange as > >> well. Does anyone have any objections to Edgeconnex being approved > >> for an extension node? The board does not see an issue. > > > > I missed the last couple of meetings cause I suck. > > > > Are they going to be charging port fees to their side of the link > > customers? If so will that cause issues? > > > > -- > > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > > > May as well lump all the questions here. Alternative/branches to Cologix? > > Thanks! > > -M< > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Reid Fishler

They have the right to charge whatever they wish to charge, but they must maintain the performance on the link to the core. The program is based off of what SIX does. Reid On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 01:46:22PM -0400, Reid Fishler wrote: > > I am pleased to announce that Edgeconnex Minneapolis has applied to > > be an extension node as per the rules we discussed at the last > > meeting. They will be providing us with the gear and connectivity to > > their site, and have promised to make a donation to the exchange as > > well. Does anyone have any objections to Edgeconnex being approved > > for an extension node? The board does not see an issue. > > I missed the last couple of meetings cause I suck. > > Are they going to be charging port fees to their side of the link > customers? If so will that cause issues? > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

June 4, 2015

Re: Application for Extension Node

by Hannigan, Martin

> On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 01:46:22PM -0400, Reid Fishler wrote: >> I am pleased to announce that Edgeconnex Minneapolis has applied to >> be an extension node as per the rules we discussed at the last >> meeting. They will be providing us with the gear and connectivity to >> their site, and have promised to make a donation to the exchange as >> well. Does anyone have any objections to Edgeconnex being approved >> for an extension node? The board does not see an issue. > > I missed the last couple of meetings cause I suck. > > Are they going to be charging port fees to their side of the link > customers? If so will that cause issues? > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG May as well lump all the questions here. Alternative/branches to Cologix? Thanks! -M<

June 4, 2015