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Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 04:25:29PM -0500, Jason Hanke wrote: > Here is the IP: > > MICE Core 1G EX4200-24T > 206.108.255.244/24 > 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::244/64 > > I believe this is LAG10 on the core side: > xe-0/2/3 > xe-2/0/16 The next LAG group is ae11. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Jason Hanke

Let's turn up as a LAG with only one of the two links active. Then activate the second link when we're good and ready. We could also move one of the route servers or maybe the looking glass over to the new switch. On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> wrote: > Here is the IP: > > MICE Core 1G EX4200-24T > 206.108.255.244/24 > 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::244/64 > > I believe this is LAG10 on the core side: > xe-0/2/3 > xe-2/0/16 > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Ryan Goldberg <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: >> Just note: no DACs or optics, so no way to connect at 10gig unless someone brings some snacks >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:14 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants >> >> I will probably be there tomorrow to assist in the physical portion of the installation with Doug/Anthony. I volunteer to be the guinea pig, and test for loss prior to scheduling a maintenance window to cut over the other 1G members on. >> >> Jay, could you give us port assignments for the L2 link to the 4500s, and an IP for the new switch. >> >> Thanks, >> Jeremy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:07 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants >> >> Ok, it's there. Firmwared (holy crap I forget the hell that is the time commitment to firmware ex4200) to as listed below and with c13/c14 cables and stacking cables. >> >> me0.0 is dhcp >> >> root is mice987z >> >> admin is mice987z >> >> ssh is on >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants >> >> Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants >> >> JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. >> >> -- >> Andrew Hoyos >> hoyosa(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: >>> >>> Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other >>> switches of 12.3R9-S1 >>> >>> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >>> Of Ryan Goldberg >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >>> Participants >>> >>> Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. >>> >>> Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? >>> >>> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >>> Of Ryan Goldberg >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >>> Participants >>> >>> I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? >>> >>> Either way, I have available today: >>> >>> 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS >>> 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS >>> 1 x 3300 >>> 1 x HP 28284 J >>> 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables >>> >>> I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. >>> >>> I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. >>> >>> So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. >>> >>> You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>> >>> >>> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >>> Of Levi Pederson >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >>> Participants >>> >>> All, >>> >>> 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> Levi Pederson >>> Mankato Networks LLC >>> cell | 612.481.0769 >>> work | 612.787.7392 >>> levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: >>> We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: >>> provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: >>> >>> FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE >>> CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU >>> PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T >>> PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ >>> >>> >>> in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). >>> >>> note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably >>> >>> I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... >>> >>> Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. >>> >>> Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? >>> >>> >>> From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of >>> Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >>> Participants >>> >>> I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! >>> >>> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >>> Of Jason Hanke >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >>> Participants >>> >>> Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: >>> I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. >>> >>> My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >>> Of Doug McIntyre >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM >>> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >>> Participants >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >>> > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can >>> > leave the 4200 without going across a vcp >>> >>> Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that >>> are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G >>> card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run >>> virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. >>> >>> Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off >>> the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. >>> Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. >>> >>> > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? >>> >>> As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, >>> there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and >>> I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. >>> >>> We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. >>> That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it >>> is an issue with the device itself. >>> >>> Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> >>> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ >>> Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jay Hanke >>> CTO >>> Neutral Path Communications >>> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >>> Mankato, MN 56001 >>> (507) 327-2398 mobile >>> jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >>> www.neutralpath.net >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >> > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Jason Hanke

Here is the IP: MICE Core 1G EX4200-24T 206.108.255.244/24 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::244/64 I believe this is LAG10 on the core side: xe-0/2/3 xe-2/0/16 On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Ryan Goldberg <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > Just note: no DACs or optics, so no way to connect at 10gig unless someone brings some snacks > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:14 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > I will probably be there tomorrow to assist in the physical portion of the installation with Doug/Anthony. I volunteer to be the guinea pig, and test for loss prior to scheduling a maintenance window to cut over the other 1G members on. > > Jay, could you give us port assignments for the L2 link to the 4500s, and an IP for the new switch. > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:07 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > Ok, it's there. Firmwared (holy crap I forget the hell that is the time commitment to firmware ex4200) to as listed below and with c13/c14 cables and stacking cables. > > me0.0 is dhcp > > root is mice987z > > admin is mice987z > > ssh is on > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. > > -- > Andrew Hoyos > hoyosa(a)gmail.com > > > >> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: >> >> Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other >> switches of 12.3R9-S1 >> >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Ryan Goldberg >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. >> >> Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? >> >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Ryan Goldberg >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? >> >> Either way, I have available today: >> >> 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS >> 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS >> 1 x 3300 >> 1 x HP 28284 J >> 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables >> >> I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. >> >> I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. >> >> So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. >> >> You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. >> >> Ryan >> >> >> >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Levi Pederson >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> All, >> >> 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> Levi Pederson >> Mankato Networks LLC >> cell | 612.481.0769 >> work | 612.787.7392 >> levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: >> We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. >> >> >> On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: >> provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: >> >> FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE >> CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU >> PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T >> PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ >> >> >> in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). >> >> note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably >> >> I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... >> >> Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. >> >> Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? >> >> >> From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of >> Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! >> >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Jason Hanke >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: >> I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. >> >> My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. >> >> Jeremy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Doug McIntyre >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >> > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can >> > leave the 4200 without going across a vcp >> >> Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that >> are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G >> card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run >> virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. >> >> Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off >> the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. >> Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. >> >> > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? >> >> As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, >> there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and >> I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. >> >> We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. >> That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it >> is an issue with the device itself. >> >> Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). >> >> >> -- >> Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> >> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ >> Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades >> >> >> >> -- >> Jay Hanke >> CTO >> Neutral Path Communications >> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> (507) 327-2398 mobile >> jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >> www.neutralpath.net >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Jeremy Lumby

I will bring some snacks -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:17 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Just note: no DACs or optics, so no way to connect at 10gig unless someone brings some snacks -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:14 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants I will probably be there tomorrow to assist in the physical portion of the installation with Doug/Anthony. I volunteer to be the guinea pig, and test for loss prior to scheduling a maintenance window to cut over the other 1G members on. Jay, could you give us port assignments for the L2 link to the 4500s, and an IP for the new switch. Thanks, Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:07 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Ok, it's there. Firmwared (holy crap I forget the hell that is the time commitment to firmware ex4200) to as listed below and with c13/c14 cables and stacking cables. me0.0 is dhcp root is mice987z admin is mice987z ssh is on -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other > switches of 12.3R9-S1 > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. > > Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? > > Either way, I have available today: > > 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 1 x 3300 > 1 x HP 28284 J > 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables > > I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. > > I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. > > So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. > > You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. > > Ryan > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Levi Pederson > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > All, > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. > > Thank you, > > > Levi Pederson > Mankato Networks LLC > cell | 612.481.0769 > work | 612.787.7392 > levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: > We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. > > > On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: > > FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE > CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU > PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T > PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ > > > in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). > > note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably > > I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... > > Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. > > Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of > Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Jason Hanke > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. > > My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. > > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Doug McIntyre > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can > > leave the 4200 without going across a vcp > > Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that > are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G > card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run > virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. > > Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off > the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. > Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > > > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? > > As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, > there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and > I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. > > We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. > That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it > is an issue with the device itself. > > Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). > > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Andrew Hoyos

There is a handful of 10g LR SFP+ we donated that should be up there to use in the EX4500/4550 side for this. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Sep 21, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Ryan Goldberg <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > > Just note: no DACs or optics, so no way to connect at 10gig unless someone brings some snacks > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:14 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > I will probably be there tomorrow to assist in the physical portion of the installation with Doug/Anthony. I volunteer to be the guinea pig, and test for loss prior to scheduling a maintenance window to cut over the other 1G members on. > > Jay, could you give us port assignments for the L2 link to the 4500s, and an IP for the new switch. > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:07 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > Ok, it's there. Firmwared (holy crap I forget the hell that is the time commitment to firmware ex4200) to as listed below and with c13/c14 cables and stacking cables. > > me0.0 is dhcp > > root is mice987z > > admin is mice987z > > ssh is on > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. > > -- > Andrew Hoyos > hoyosa(a)gmail.com > > > >> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: >> >> Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other >> switches of 12.3R9-S1 >> >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Ryan Goldberg >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. >> >> Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? >> >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Ryan Goldberg >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? >> >> Either way, I have available today: >> >> 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS >> 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS >> 1 x 3300 >> 1 x HP 28284 J >> 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables >> >> I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. >> >> I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. >> >> So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. >> >> You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. >> >> Ryan >> >> >> >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Levi Pederson >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> All, >> >> 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> Levi Pederson >> Mankato Networks LLC >> cell | 612.481.0769 >> work | 612.787.7392 >> levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: >> We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. >> >> >> On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: >> provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: >> >> FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE >> CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU >> PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T >> PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ >> >> >> in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). >> >> note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably >> >> I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... >> >> Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. >> >> Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? >> >> >> From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of >> Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! >> >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Jason Hanke >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: >> I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. >> >> My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. >> >> Jeremy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf >> Of Doug McIntyre >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >>> That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can >>> leave the 4200 without going across a vcp >> >> Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that >> are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G >> card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run >> virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. >> >> Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off >> the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. >> Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. >> >>> Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? >> >> As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, >> there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and >> I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. >> >> We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. >> That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it >> is an issue with the device itself. >> >> Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). >> >> >> -- >> Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> >> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ >> Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades >> >> >> >> -- >> Jay Hanke >> CTO >> Neutral Path Communications >> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> (507) 327-2398 mobile >> jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >> www.neutralpath.net >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Jeremy Lumby

I am open to input on that. If we run into further errors, it would probably be easier to troubleshoot if it was not split across both, however for load balancing/redundancy it makes sense to split. I do not think there is a ton of load from the 1G members, so I am leaning towards putting them both on 1 From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Hanke Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:16 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Do you want the LAG split between the 4500 and 4550? Jay On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: I will probably be there tomorrow to assist in the physical portion of the installation with Doug/Anthony. I volunteer to be the guinea pig, and test for loss prior to scheduling a maintenance window to cut over the other 1G members on. Jay, could you give us port assignments for the L2 link to the 4500s, and an IP for the new switch. Thanks, Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:07 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Ok, it's there. Firmwared (holy crap I forget the hell that is the time commitment to firmware ex4200) to as listed below and with c13/c14 cables and stacking cables. me0.0 is dhcp root is mice987z admin is mice987z ssh is on -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other > switches of 12.3R9-S1 > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. > > Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? > > Either way, I have available today: > > 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 1 x 3300 > 1 x HP 28284 J > 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables > > I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. > > I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. > > So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. > > You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. > > Ryan > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Levi Pederson > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > All, > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. > > Thank you, > > > Levi Pederson > Mankato Networks LLC > cell | 612.481.0769 > work | 612.787.7392 > levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: > We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. > > > On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: > > FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE > CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU > PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T > PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ > > > in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). > > note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably > > I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... > > Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. > > Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of > Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Jason Hanke > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. > > My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. > > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Doug McIntyre > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can > > leave the 4200 without going across a vcp > > Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that > are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G > card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run > virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. > > Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off > the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. > Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > > > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? > > As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, > there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and > I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. > > We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. > That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it > is an issue with the device itself. > > Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). > > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Ryan Goldberg

Just note: no DACs or optics, so no way to connect at 10gig unless someone brings some snacks -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:14 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants I will probably be there tomorrow to assist in the physical portion of the installation with Doug/Anthony. I volunteer to be the guinea pig, and test for loss prior to scheduling a maintenance window to cut over the other 1G members on. Jay, could you give us port assignments for the L2 link to the 4500s, and an IP for the new switch. Thanks, Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:07 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Ok, it's there. Firmwared (holy crap I forget the hell that is the time commitment to firmware ex4200) to as listed below and with c13/c14 cables and stacking cables. me0.0 is dhcp root is mice987z admin is mice987z ssh is on -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other > switches of 12.3R9-S1 > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. > > Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? > > Either way, I have available today: > > 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 1 x 3300 > 1 x HP 28284 J > 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables > > I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. > > I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. > > So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. > > You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. > > Ryan > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Levi Pederson > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > All, > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. > > Thank you, > > > Levi Pederson > Mankato Networks LLC > cell | 612.481.0769 > work | 612.787.7392 > levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: > We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. > > > On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: > > FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE > CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU > PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T > PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ > > > in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). > > note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably > > I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... > > Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. > > Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of > Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Jason Hanke > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. > > My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. > > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Doug McIntyre > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can > > leave the 4200 without going across a vcp > > Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that > are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G > card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run > virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. > > Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off > the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. > Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > > > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? > > As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, > there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and > I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. > > We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. > That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it > is an issue with the device itself. > > Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). > > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Jason Hanke

Do you want the LAG split between the 4500 and 4550? Jay On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I will probably be there tomorrow to assist in the physical portion of the > installation with Doug/Anthony. I volunteer to be the guinea pig, and test > for loss prior to scheduling a maintenance window to cut over the other 1G > members on. > > Jay, could you give us port assignments for the L2 link to the 4500s, and > an IP for the new switch. > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:07 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Ok, it's there. Firmwared (holy crap I forget the hell that is the time > commitment to firmware ex4200) to as listed below and with c13/c14 cables > and stacking cables. > > me0.0 is dhcp > > root is mice987z > > admin is mice987z > > ssh is on > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Andrew Hoyos > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch > of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. > > -- > Andrew Hoyos > hoyosa(a)gmail.com > > > > > On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > > > Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other > > switches of 12.3R9-S1 > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > > Of Ryan Goldberg > > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > > Participants > > > > Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. > > > > Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > > Of Ryan Goldberg > > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > > Participants > > > > I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a > normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? > > > > Either way, I have available today: > > > > 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > > 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > > 1 x 3300 > > 1 x HP 28284 J > > 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables > > > > I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra > optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. > > > > I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and > would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. > > > > So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know > and I’ll deliver. > > > > You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > > Of Levi Pederson > > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > > Participants > > > > All, > > > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. > Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another > 4200/4500/4550. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Levi Pederson > > Mankato Networks LLC > > cell | 612.481.0769 > > work | 612.787.7392 > > levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> > wrote: > > We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is > any interest. > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> > wrote: > > provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: > > > > FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 > POE > > CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU > > PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 > Base-T > > PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ > > > > > > in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). > > > > note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably > > > > I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port > poe switch at 511? So many questions.... > > > > Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. > > > > Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? > > > > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of > > Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > > Participants > > > > I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > > Of Jason Hanke > > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > > Participants > > > > Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to > MICE to help the cause. > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I > feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own > forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a > high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, > and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP > times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G > ports. > > > > My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a > 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches > uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to > connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G > capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph > without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used > between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. > > > > Jeremy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > > Of Doug McIntyre > > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > > Participants > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can > > > leave the 4200 without going across a vcp > > > > Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that > > are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G > > card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run > > virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other > switches. > > > > Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off > > the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. > > Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > > > > > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have > "vcp-1" in them? > > > > As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, > > there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and > > I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. > > > > We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. > > That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it > > is an issue with the device itself. > > > > Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). > > > > > > -- > > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > > > > > > > -- > > Jay Hanke > > CTO > > Neutral Path Communications > > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > (507) 327-2398 mobile > > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > > www.neutralpath.net > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Jeremy Lumby

I will probably be there tomorrow to assist in the physical portion of the installation with Doug/Anthony. I volunteer to be the guinea pig, and test for loss prior to scheduling a maintenance window to cut over the other 1G members on. Jay, could you give us port assignments for the L2 link to the 4500s, and an IP for the new switch. Thanks, Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:07 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Ok, it's there. Firmwared (holy crap I forget the hell that is the time commitment to firmware ex4200) to as listed below and with c13/c14 cables and stacking cables. me0.0 is dhcp root is mice987z admin is mice987z ssh is on -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other > switches of 12.3R9-S1 > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. > > Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? > > Either way, I have available today: > > 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 1 x 3300 > 1 x HP 28284 J > 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables > > I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. > > I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. > > So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. > > You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. > > Ryan > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Levi Pederson > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > All, > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. > > Thank you, > > > Levi Pederson > Mankato Networks LLC > cell | 612.481.0769 > work | 612.787.7392 > levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: > We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. > > > On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: > > FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE > CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU > PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T > PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ > > > in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). > > note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably > > I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... > > Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. > > Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of > Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Jason Hanke > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. > > My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. > > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Doug McIntyre > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can > > leave the 4200 without going across a vcp > > Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that > are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G > card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run > virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. > > Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off > the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. > Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > > > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? > > As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, > there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and > I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. > > We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. > That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it > is an issue with the device itself. > > Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). > > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Ryan Goldberg

Ok, it's there. Firmwared (holy crap I forget the hell that is the time commitment to firmware ex4200) to as listed below and with c13/c14 cables and stacking cables. me0.0 is dhcp root is mice987z admin is mice987z ssh is on -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:06 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other > switches of 12.3R9-S1 > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. > > Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? > > Either way, I have available today: > > 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 1 x 3300 > 1 x HP 28284 J > 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables > > I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. > > I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. > > So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. > > You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. > > Ryan > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Levi Pederson > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > All, > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. > > Thank you, > > > Levi Pederson > Mankato Networks LLC > cell | 612.481.0769 > work | 612.787.7392 > levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: > We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. > > > On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: > > FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE > CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU > PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T > PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ > > > in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). > > note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably > > I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... > > Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. > > Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of > Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Jason Hanke > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. > > My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. > > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Doug McIntyre > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can > > leave the 4200 without going across a vcp > > Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that > are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G > card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run > virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. > > Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off > the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. > Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > > > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? > > As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, > there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and > I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. > > We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. > That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it > is an issue with the device itself. > > Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). > > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Sept. 21, 2016

Peering Invitation from Yahoo AS10310 in MICE

by SC Chiu

Hi MICE participants: Yahoo! (AS10310) is now ready to establish peering sessions, please reply us back if you are interested peering in MICE. Our info:Router 1: 206.108.255.59/24, 2001:504:27::2846:0:2/64 Router 2: 206.108.255.58/24, 2001:504:27::2846:0:1/64 Also available in https://www.peeringdb.com/asn/10310 Thanks for peering! Sc Chiu Tech Yahoo, Network Eng, Sr P: 408.3497982 M: 408.9218286 701 First Avenue Sunnyvale CA 94089 cschiu(a)yahoo-inc.com

Sept. 21, 2016

Technical Training at MTA Fall Conference, October 14th

by Shaun Carlson

Good afternoon! I wanted to let everyone know that the MTA IT Peer group is sponsoring some technical training at the MTA Fall conference on the morning of October 14th. The sessions being offered are: - Foundational Cyber Hygiene – How well do you know your environment?, Mike Rerick, Director of Managed Services, High Point Networks - Polymorphic attacks on data-in-motion creates challenges for both the service provider and end user, Bill Balmer - Protecting the Network with Firepower NGFW and OpenDNS, Andy Erickson, Adam Hardin All of the presentations will take place on Friday morning, October 14th. More details can be found here: http://www.mnta.org/events/EventDetails.aspx?id=851238 <https://followup.cc/l/10023405/e1d83ee16c70b4e2db5e7af1e8df29a2/http%3A%2F%…> I would like to encourage you to attend as the cost is simply the registration for the conference. Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson*Director of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: [Peering-lists] [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by DeLong, Owen

I’m a big fan of the QFX option if we’re going to buy new hardware. They’ve been rock solid and they’re very price attractive. Owen > On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:29 , Andrew Hoyos <hoyosa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:49:48AM -0500, Levi Pederson wrote: >> >>> A full chassis 8200 and 9200 would be a solid upgrade for all >>> pertinent points. >> >> I don't agree. > > Also don’t agree with the 8200/9200. Most line cards on the 8200 and 9200 are oversub’d anyway, and the space/ports ratio isn’t great. > >> Cost per port is high compared to running with 4500/45550 setup and >> can stack 10 deep as it is. > > I don’t know if I necessarily agree here either. The VC will quickly become a bottleneck if not already (32gb unidirectional traffic). > Also, no support for 40/100g. > > If money is being spent, something like an Arista 7504 or Juniper QFX 5100/5200’s would make more sense here and allow for some growth not entirely based on "more 10g ports". > > -- > Andrew Hoyos > hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Mike Horwath

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:01:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other > switches of 12.3R9-S1 Which has security problems and should be upgraded. Minimum should be 12.3R12 according to US-CERT notifications last week. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Ryan Goldberg

Pulled jinstall-ex-4200-12.3R12.4-domestic-signed just now. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:05 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other > switches of 12.3R9-S1 > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. > > Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? > > Either way, I have available today: > > 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 1 x 3300 > 1 x HP 28284 J > 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables > > I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. > > I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. > > So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. > > You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. > > Ryan > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Levi Pederson > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > All, > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. > > Thank you, > > > Levi Pederson > Mankato Networks LLC > cell | 612.481.0769 > work | 612.787.7392 > levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: > We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. > > > On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: > > FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE > CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU > PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T > PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ > > > in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). > > note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably > > I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... > > Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. > > Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of > Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Jason Hanke > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. > > My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. > > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf > Of Doug McIntyre > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can > > leave the 4200 without going across a vcp > > Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that > are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G > card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run > virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. > > Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off > the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. > Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > > > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? > > As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, > there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and > I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. > > We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. > That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it > is an issue with the device itself. > > Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). > > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Andrew Hoyos

JTAC recommended is R12. Looking at the release notes, seems like a bunch of minor stuff, but a few PFE crash related fixes that apply to EX4200. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other switches of 12.3R9-S1 > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. > > Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? > > Either way, I have available today: > > 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS > 1 x 3300 > 1 x HP 28284 J > 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables > > I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. > > I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. > > So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. > > You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. > > Ryan > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Levi Pederson > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > All, > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. > > Thank you, > > > Levi Pederson > Mankato Networks LLC > cell | 612.481.0769 > work | 612.787.7392 > levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: > We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. > > > On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: > > FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE > CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU > PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T > PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ > > > in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). > > note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably > > I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... > > Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. > > Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Hanke > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. > > My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. > > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Doug McIntyre > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can leave the 4200 without going across a vcp > > Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that > are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G > card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run > virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. > > Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off the 4200 > altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. Then we wouldn't > have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > > > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? > > As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, > there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, > and I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. > > We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. > That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it is > an issue with the device itself. > > Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). > > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Jeremy Lumby

Probably makes sense to match the current version on the other switches of 12.3R9-S1 From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:58 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? Either way, I have available today: 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS 1 x 3300 1 x HP 28284 J 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. Ryan From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Levi Pederson Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants All, 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. Thank you, Levi Pederson Mankato Networks LLC cell | 612.481.0769 work | 612.787.7392 levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Hanke Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Doug McIntyre Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can leave the 4200 without going across a vcp Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it is an issue with the device itself. Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Ryan Goldberg

Ok, so I’ll leave the 4200-24 with the 2x 10gig and a stacking cable. Anyone have a firmware preference? Or just current juniper recommend? From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:38 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? Either way, I have available today: 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS 1 x 3300 1 x HP 28284 ☺ 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. Ryan From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Levi Pederson Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants All, 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. Thank you, Levi Pederson Mankato Networks LLC cell | 612.481.0769 work | 612.787.7392 levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net<mailto:levipederson@mankatonetworks.net> [http://www.mankatonetworks.com/images/mn_logo_email.png] On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com>> wrote: We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com<mailto:RGoldberg@compudyne.com>> wrote: provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Jason Hanke Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Doug McIntyre Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can leave the 4200 without going across a vcp Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it is an issue with the device itself. Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net<mailto:merlyn@iphouse.net>> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398<tel:%28507%29%20327-2398> mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net<mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net> www.neutralpath.net<http://www.neutralpath.net> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Levi Pederson

All, Never said it was impossible. But more cumbersome. Cheers, *Levi Pederson* Mankato Networks LLC cell | 612.481.0769 work | 612.787.7392 levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 08:27:33AM -0500, Levi Pederson wrote: > > All, > > > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. > > Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with > > another 4200/4500/4550. > > Can totally be monitored. > > L2 trunk them into the current 45xx stack and go to town. > > Give them an IP address and you're golden. > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Mike Horwath

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 08:27:33AM -0500, Levi Pederson wrote: > All, > > 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. > Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with > another 4200/4500/4550. Can totally be monitored. L2 trunk them into the current 45xx stack and go to town. Give them an IP address and you're golden. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Ryan Goldberg

I’m only partially tracking the thread but wasn’t there going to be a normal 2 x 10gig LAG into the “new” switch? Either way, I have available today: 1 x 4200-48 poe with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS 2 x 4200-24 with the 2 x sfp+ module and 2 x PS 1 x 3300 1 x HP 28284 ☺ 3 x 4200/4500 stacking cables I can default and leave one of these in the mice cabinet. No extra optics or DACs today… I can leave a stacking cable though. I’d like to do the defaulting/(and firmwaring) this AM around 10:30 and would deliver to mice cabinet around 2pm. So, whoever wants to make the final “I’LL TAKE THAT ONE” call lemme know and I’ll deliver. You can also drop me a line at 218-390-5485. Ryan From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Levi Pederson Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants All, 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. Thank you, Levi Pederson Mankato Networks LLC cell | 612.481.0769 work | 612.787.7392 levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net<mailto:levipederson@mankatonetworks.net> [http://www.mankatonetworks.com/images/mn_logo_email.png] On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com>> wrote: We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com<mailto:RGoldberg@compudyne.com>> wrote: provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Jason Hanke Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Doug McIntyre Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can leave the 4200 without going across a vcp Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it is an issue with the device itself. Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net<mailto:merlyn@iphouse.net>> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398<tel:%28507%29%20327-2398> mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net<mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net> www.neutralpath.net<http://www.neutralpath.net> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Levi Pederson

All, 3300's Can't join a Mixed 45**. We'd have to monitor it separately. Troubleshooting, monitoring and management would be easier with another 4200/4500/4550. Thank you, *Levi Pederson* Mankato Networks LLC cell | 612.481.0769 work | 612.787.7392 levipederson(a)mankatonetworks.net On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com> wrote: > We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any > interest. > > On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > >> provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: >> >> FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 >> POE >> CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU >> PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 >> Base-T >> PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ >> >> >> in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). >> >> note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably >> >> I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port >> poe switch at 511? So many questions.... >> >> Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. >> >> Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of >> Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> >> I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! >> >> >> >> *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf >> Of *Jason Hanke >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> >> >> Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to >> MICE to help the cause. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: >> >> I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I >> feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own >> forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a >> high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, >> and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP >> times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G >> ports. >> >> My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a >> 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches >> uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to >> connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G >> capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph >> without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used >> between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. >> >> Jeremy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of >> Doug McIntyre >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM >> To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G >> Participants >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: >> > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can leave >> the 4200 without going across a vcp >> >> Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that >> are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G >> card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run >> virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other >> switches. >> >> Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off the >> 4200 >> altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. Then we >> wouldn't >> have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. >> >> > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have >> "vcp-1" in them? >> >> As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, >> there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, >> and I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. >> >> We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. >> That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it is >> an issue with the device itself. >> >> Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). >> >> >> -- >> Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> >> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ >> Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jay Hanke >> >> CTO >> >> Neutral Path Communications >> >> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >> >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> >> (507) 327-2398 mobile >> >> jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >> >> www.neutralpath.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Ben Wiechman

We may have a couple EX3300 as well. I can check tomorrow if there is any interest. On Sep 20, 2016 4:50 PM, "Ryan Goldberg" <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: > > FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE > CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU > PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 > Base-T > PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ > > > in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). > > note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably > > I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port > poe switch at 511? So many questions.... > > Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. > > Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jeremy > Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > > I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *Jason Hanke > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > > > Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE > to help the cause. > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel > this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own > forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a > high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, > and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP > times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G > ports. > > My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a > 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches > uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to > connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G > capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph > without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used > between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. > > Jeremy > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Doug McIntyre > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G > Participants > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can leave > the 4200 without going across a vcp > > Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that > are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G > card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run > virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other > switches. > > Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off the > 4200 > altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. Then we > wouldn't > have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > > > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have > "vcp-1" in them? > > As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, > there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, > and I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. > > We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. > That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it is > an issue with the device itself. > > Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). > > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades > > > > > > -- > > Jay Hanke > > CTO > > Neutral Path Communications > > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > (507) 327-2398 mobile > > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > > www.neutralpath.net > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Mike Horwath

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:24:29PM -0500, Jason Hanke wrote: > If my math is correct, it will free up some VCP bandwidth and also > eliminate the mixed mode configuration. So, you think the VCP is getting saturated? Doug has posted a couple of copy/pastes and so far I don't see it. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Sept. 20, 2016

Re: EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants

by Jeremy Lumby

The 24 port would probably be plenty since people have been upgrading to 10G, plus it matches what we have now. From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:40 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants provided my work tonight goes as planned I can leave a: FPC 2 REV 18 750-021255 BQ0209437984 EX4200-48P, 48 POE CPU BUILTIN BUILTIN FPC CPU PIC 0 BUILTIN BUILTIN 48x 10/100/1000 Base-T PIC 1 REV 04 711-026017 CH0209419573 2x 10GE SFP+ in the mice cabinet (or elsewhere). note: no optics... but I could leave a couple DACs probably I could leave 24 port non-POE 4200 if preferred. Why do I have 48 port poe switch at 511? So many questions.... Or........ I may have a 3300-24 available, which gives 4x SFP+ instead. Any preferences whilst I rummage through my oddball grab bag? From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:45 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants I am in favor, THANKS GUYS!!! From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Hanke Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:41 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants Compudyne has offered to donate an EX4200 with a 2x10G uplink card to MICE to help the cause. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: I am in favor of a regular layer 2 uplink. I think the main reason I feel this way is it is industry standard, and then the switch has its own forwarding table. We have seen issues in the past where if the link on a high volume port goes down, the MAC gets removed from the forwarding table, and then all of that traffic gets flooded to all other ports until BGP times out. This seems to be especially problematic when it hits the 1G ports. My vision of a future upgrade would be something along the lines of a 5200, or equiv from another manufacturer that has all of the other switches uplinked to it. Then we would have separate forwarding tables, a place to connect remote switches, as well as something that has some 40G, and 100G capabilities. All of the uplinks would then be easy to monitor/graph without excessive load on the switch. Copper SFP+/QSFP+ cables can be used between switches and they are affordable/easy to come by. Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Doug McIntyre Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:15 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] EX4200 (1G Switch) Packet Loss -> 10G Participants On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 02:23:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > That would make sense, then we are just down to how traffic can leave the 4200 without going across a vcp Most likely we'd have to kick off (umm. move) the three members that are fiber 1G connections in the expansion slot on the 4200, get a 10G card, optics for both sides, etc. Then decide if we are going to run virtual chassis protocol, or just layer-2 uplink into the two other switches. Or we move the 19 active 1G copper members + 3 1G fiber members off the 4200 altogether and eat up ports on the 4550 with 19 copper SFPs. Then we wouldn't have to do "Mixed-mode Virtual-Chassis" then either. > Although- it looks like so far all the paths with loss seem to have "vcp-1" in them? As I've stated multiple times, I think since VCP is active/passive, there is only one active ring around the the VC through VCP-1 now, and I would expect to see vcp-1 in all paths through the EX4200. We can swap active and passive with the command I posted previously. That way we can troubleshoot if there is a port/cable issue, or if it is an issue with the device itself. Or it could be a defect in this coderev (although I doubt it). -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 20, 2016