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Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Andrew Hoyos

> On Oct 25, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > If MICE had been built on a surplus of cash, and not donated time/hardware, then I would feel much different. Lack of a surplus of cash or charging fees seems to have little if nothing to do with having some operational norms and processes/timelines that we could all agree to follow. I’m not discounting Doug’s willingness to do the upgrade at all, it’s the process by which it’s happened, and I think we can do better as a group to bring some sane operational due process and some standards we can all agree to follow as a community when it comes to things like this (upgrades, changes, etc) to minimize impact to the IX and it’s members. If folks feel differently as a group, I’ll bite my tongue and turn the other way — but we’re big enough now where folks are paying attention to this sort of thing. My suggestion would be for the formal creation of a technical committee by the board, which can work on and implement these operational details in a way that works for everyone. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Donation Thank You

by Jason Hanke

Please thank Hoyos Consulting for a $2100 Paypal donation this morning! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Oct. 25, 2016

Please welcome Fastly to MICE!

by Jason Hanke

Name: Fastly, Inc ASN: 54113 IPv4: 206.108.255.72/24 IPv4: 206.108.255.73/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:d361::1/64 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:d361::2/64 Ports: Main Switch xe-2/0/25, xe-2/0/26 (NO LAG) Contact: peering(a)fastly.com Route Server and website please, I'm checking on BFD support. Welcome aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Mike Horwath

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 07:34:00AM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > If MICE had been built on a surplus of cash, and not donated > time/hardware, then I would feel much different. Hear hear! -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Jeremy Lumby

As one of the other 60+ members, I am offering my $0.02. Honestly I think Doug has gone above, and beyond with his notification window, as well as willingness to do it during a low traffic period. If I was the one doing the work, it would be in the middle of the day, and would be thrown together at the last minute when I happened to know I was going past Cologix for some other reason. Since there have never been port fees, and even when they do come about, there is a lot of opposition to making them mandatory, or recurring, I think the membership needs to judge the exchange on the value it has been, and will be providing, and not some formalized service level agreement that in the industry is typically just a document that says if we screw up here is how much we will refund. I feel it is far more important to allow Doug to do it on his time since people like him have made the donations that are the only reason that MICE has made it as far and done as well as it has. If MICE had been built on a surplus of cash, and not donated time/hardware, then I would feel much different. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 x211 Direct: 612-392-6814 EFax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:00 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 08:22:46PM -0500, Andrew Hoyos wrote: >> Also, given how big MICE has become and some of the players involved, I’d think we can do better than 3 days advance notice on service affecting work that will take down the the majority of the IX? > > OOTH, if you get out past 7 days you have the problem that people > forget about the window, and are blindsided by it actually happening. > I get more complaints about further out windows than shorter. Hrm, 7-10 days seems to be industry standard for this sort of thing, and in practice, I personally have never had anyone complain about providing *more* advance notice for service affecting work. Calendars and all….. > I would typically aim for 6 days, but didn't want to do it during MEA, > and now Holloween is coming up as well. Given 2.5 solid days (not > weekend), went with a window that fit around my and other's schedule. Understood, and truly appreciate you volunteering to do the work, however, what about the input of the other 60+ members of MICE into this? Unless I've completely missed something, this all seems very unstructured and ad-hoc. Board folks and community - I’d encourage some more discussion here on governance of the technical side of the IX, including how and when changes are scheduled/approved, and perhaps some formalization of a technical committee. I think we’ve reached a point where continuing to do things ad-hoc paints a shaky picture. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Shaun Carlson

Andrew, that is my understanding as well from previous research. Basically, once you file, assume the status is approved. The status will be retroactive to the date of filing. It's the IRS' was of saying, we know we'll take a while, so don't wait up on our account. s Shaun Carlson Director of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346.8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:28 PM -0500, "Andrew Hoyos" <hoyosa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 24, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Richard Laager wrote: > > On 10/24/2016 09:56 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: >> So assuming paperwork happens in a timely fashion, donations after the >> filing date would be tax deductible for 2016? Is that the agreed upon >> direction? If so, I would suggest we get some end of year charitable >> giving going on. I would be interested in participating. What do the >> lawyers say about 2016 vs. 2017 status? > > Assuming the IRS accepts our application, I'm not sure how retroactive > it will be. IANAL, but: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/tax-law-compliance-before-exempt-… and https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/contribu… Seems to imply that 2016 contributions would be safe (as long as the MICE legal entity was planning on filing a 990 for 2016 for income/donations received). -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Andrew Hoyos

On Oct 24, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > > We're going to upgrade the core MICE 10G switches coming up this week > on Wednesday night/ Thursday morning at 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT on 27 October. This should probably be sent to MICE-ANNOUNCE as well. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Andrew Hoyos

On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 08:22:46PM -0500, Andrew Hoyos wrote: >> Also, given how big MICE has become and some of the players involved, I’d think we can do better than 3 days advance notice on service affecting work that will take down the the majority of the IX? > > OOTH, if you get out past 7 days you have the problem that people > forget about the window, and are blindsided by it actually happening. > I get more complaints about further out windows than shorter. Hrm, 7-10 days seems to be industry standard for this sort of thing, and in practice, I personally have never had anyone complain about providing *more* advance notice for service affecting work. Calendars and all….. > I would typically aim for 6 days, but didn't want to do it during MEA, > and now Holloween is coming up as well. Given 2.5 solid days (not > weekend), went with a window that fit around my and other's schedule. Understood, and truly appreciate you volunteering to do the work, however, what about the input of the other 60+ members of MICE into this? Unless I've completely missed something, this all seems very unstructured and ad-hoc. Board folks and community - I’d encourage some more discussion here on governance of the technical side of the IX, including how and when changes are scheduled/approved, and perhaps some formalization of a technical committee. I think we’ve reached a point where continuing to do things ad-hoc paints a shaky picture. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Doug McIntyre

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 08:14:17PM -0500, Richard Laager wrote: > On 10/24/2016 01:20 PM, Doug McIntyre wrote: > > We're going to upgrade the core MICE 10G switches > > Has it been MICE practice to block BGP using a L4 ACL before the > maintenance? There hasn't been that many maintenance periods, like 3 events, one was unintended AFAIK. But we could, it wouldn't be too difficult. > Something like this: > https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/wednesday.general-lt.hargrave.ixp… I can implement this 5 minutes before the upgrade. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Doug McIntyre

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 08:22:46PM -0500, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > Also, given how big MICE has become and some of the players involved, I’d think we can do better than 3 days advance notice on service affecting work that will take down the the majority of the IX? OOTH, if you get out past 7 days you have the problem that people forget about the window, and are blindsided by it actually happening. I get more complaints about further out windows than shorter. I would typically aim for 6 days, but didn't want to do it during MEA, and now Holloween is coming up as well. Given 2.5 solid days (not weekend), went with a window that fit around my and other's schedule. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Andrew Hoyos

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > On 10/24/2016 09:56 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: >> So assuming paperwork happens in a timely fashion, donations after the >> filing date would be tax deductible for 2016? Is that the agreed upon >> direction? If so, I would suggest we get some end of year charitable >> giving going on. I would be interested in participating. What do the >> lawyers say about 2016 vs. 2017 status? > > Assuming the IRS accepts our application, I'm not sure how retroactive > it will be. IANAL, but: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/tax-law-compliance-before-exempt-… and https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/contribu… Seems to imply that 2016 contributions would be safe (as long as the MICE legal entity was planning on filing a 990 for 2016 for income/donations received). -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Richard Laager

On 10/24/2016 09:56 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: > So assuming paperwork happens in a timely fashion, donations after the > filing date would be tax deductible for 2016? Is that the agreed upon > direction? If so, I would suggest we get some end of year charitable > giving going on. I would be interested in participating. What do the > lawyers say about 2016 vs. 2017 status? Assuming the IRS accepts our application, I'm not sure how retroactive it will be. -- Richard

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Larry Patterson

So assuming paperwork happens in a timely fashion, donations after the filing date would be tax deductible for 2016? Is that the agreed upon direction? If so, I would suggest we get some end of year charitable giving going on. I would be interested in participating. What do the lawyers say about 2016 vs. 2017 status? Sent from my iPhone Larry Patterson Chief Technology Officer ---- Atomic Data(r) // Safe. Simple. Smart.(tm) 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 Main // 612.466.2000 Direct // 612.466.2080 It's official. We're SOC 3 Certified, again!<http://www.atomicdata.com/articles/atomic-data%C2%AE-keeps-client%E2%80%99s…> > On Oct 24, 2016, at 21:47, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > >> On 10/24/2016 08:54 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: >> Is MICE a non-profit yet or will it be by End of year? > > Not yet, and I can't guarantee it. > > I'm currently waiting on the Minnesota Secretary of State's office to > accept a filing. I expected it to be done last week. I'm doing some > overnight maintenance, so my schedule is off-cycle of normal business > hours. I've emailed them just now to inquire about the status. > > Once that is done, I'll request certified copies, which I expect to take > a few days. Assuming the rest of the board has no objections, I'll sign > and file the IRS form. > > I'm gone for a couple weeks starting next week. So this may get delayed > until I'm back. But worst case, this really should be mailed to the IRS > no later than November 18th. > > -- > Richard

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Richard Laager

On 10/24/2016 08:54 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: > Is MICE a non-profit yet or will it be by End of year? Not yet, and I can't guarantee it. I'm currently waiting on the Minnesota Secretary of State's office to accept a filing. I expected it to be done last week. I'm doing some overnight maintenance, so my schedule is off-cycle of normal business hours. I've emailed them just now to inquire about the status. Once that is done, I'll request certified copies, which I expect to take a few days. Assuming the rest of the board has no objections, I'll sign and file the IRS form. I'm gone for a couple weeks starting next week. So this may get delayed until I'm back. But worst case, this really should be mailed to the IRS no later than November 18th. -- Richard

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Larry Patterson

Is MICE a non-profit yet or will it be by End of year? Sent from my iPhone Larry Patterson Chief Technology Officer ---- Atomic Data(r) // Safe. Simple. Smart.(tm) 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 Main // 612.466.2000 Direct // 612.466.2080 It's official. We're SOC 3 Certified, again!<http://www.atomicdata.com/articles/atomic-data%C2%AE-keeps-client%E2%80%99s…> > On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:41, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)NEUTRALPATH.NET> wrote: > > We are starting to run low on ports on the main switch. > > If you or your company cares deeply about the quality of internet this > would be a great time to consider a donation of $ or gear. > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net<http://www.neutralpath.net>

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Andrew Hoyos

On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > Has it been MICE practice to block BGP using a L4 ACL before the > maintenance? > > Something like this: > https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/wednesday.general-lt.hargrave.ixp… > > I know that in saying this, I'm basically volunteering others to do more > work, but... We move a lot of bits now, and I think it's important we do > what we can to gracefully move the traffic. I was actually in the process of penning a similar note (or suggesting at a minimum, a mass-shutdown of sessions on the route servers pre-work). Would go along way in “doing no harm” as things are rebooting and flapping up/down. Richard - I’d happily help with this in coming up with an ACL that works, and any testing. Also, given how big MICE has become and some of the players involved, I’d think we can do better than 3 days advance notice on service affecting work that will take down the the majority of the IX? Do we have standards there as far as this sort of work goes (and along those lines, peer/tech committee review of work/plan, change approval, etc)? If not, perhaps a topic for next meeting. My $0.02, ymmv... -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Richard Laager

On 10/24/2016 01:20 PM, Doug McIntyre wrote: > We're going to upgrade the core MICE 10G switches Has it been MICE practice to block BGP using a L4 ACL before the maintenance? Something like this: https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/wednesday.general-lt.hargrave.ixp… I know that in saying this, I'm basically volunteering others to do more work, but... We move a lot of bits now, and I think it's important we do what we can to gracefully move the traffic. -- Richard

Oct. 25, 2016

MICE Port Runout

by Jason Hanke

We are starting to run low on ports on the main switch. If you or your company cares deeply about the quality of internet this would be a great time to consider a donation of $ or gear. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Oct. 24, 2016

Please Welcome Unggoy Broadband to MICE!

by Jason Hanke

Name: Unggoy Broadband LLC ASN: 393846 IPv4: 206.108.255.41/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:6:0276::1/64 BFD: Available Contact: support(a)unggoy.net Route Servers: Yes Port: Main Switch xe-2/0/7 -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Oct. 24, 2016

MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Doug McIntyre

We're going to upgrade the core MICE 10G switches coming up this week on Wednesday night/ Thursday morning at 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT on 27 October. This will take us up the latest JTAC recommended software release, and also get a reboot in as further testing the packet loss that Jeremy is tracking down. The 1G switch stack is already at the version we are moving to, so 1G only members on it should still have connectivity to one route-server while the 10G stack does its' upgrade on both stack boxes. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Oct. 24, 2016

Re: NebraskaLink LAG Migration

by Jason Hanke

yes On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 04:05:05PM -0500, Jason Hanke wrote: >> NebraskaLink has decided to forgo lag configuration at this time. >> >> The new 10G link will have the following IP assignments: >> >> IPv4 206.108.255.71/24 >> IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:41d3::2/64 >> > > Okay, I assume the 2nd connect is still going to be coming from AS 16851 then? > > Route servers are all set. > > -- > Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> > ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ > Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Oct. 24, 2016

Re: NebraskaLink LAG Migration

by Doug McIntyre

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 04:05:05PM -0500, Jason Hanke wrote: > NebraskaLink has decided to forgo lag configuration at this time. > > The new 10G link will have the following IP assignments: > > IPv4 206.108.255.71/24 > IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:41d3::2/64 > Okay, I assume the 2nd connect is still going to be coming from AS 16851 then? Route servers are all set. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Oct. 24, 2016

Re: NebraskaLink LAG Migration

by Jason Hanke

NebraskaLink has decided to forgo lag configuration at this time. The new 10G link will have the following IP assignments: IPv4 206.108.255.71/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:41d3::2/64 They will connect to NP Remote Switch port xe-0/0/4. Route server and website configuration please! Thanks! Jay On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> wrote: > ae1 > > On Sep 29, 2016 8:40 PM, "Richard Laager" <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > >> On 09/29/2016 08:37 PM, Richard Laager wrote: >> > On 09/29/2016 04:34 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: >> >> Nebraskalink is adding a second 10G to their MICE connection. >> >> >> >> The additional port is xe-0/0/4 >> > >> > Will this be ae12 or non-LAG? >> >> Sorry, I see this is on the Neutral Path switch. Let me rephrase >> accordingly: >> >> Which ae interface is this, or is this non-LAG? >> >> -- >> Richard >> > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

Oct. 21, 2016

Re: Please welcome Amazon to MICE!

by Gary Glissendorf

Other MICE Members said use peering(a)amazon.com to contact. One said he setup a peering somewhere else and it took 45 days for them to build. So a lot like us gary.glissendorf(a)sdncommunications.com <gary.glissendorf(a)sdncommunications.com> 2900 W. 10th St. | Sioux Falls, SD 57104 (w) 605.978.3558 | (c) 605.359-3737 | (tf) 800.247.1442 SDN NOC 877.287.8023 NOC Support email: sdnsupport(a)sdncommunications.com <sdnsupport(a)sdncommunications.com> "Be Excellent to Each Other" -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Gary Glissendorf Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 5:19 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Please welcome Amazon to MICE! Chris can you have someone get this trained up to Amazon mice Sent from Mobile Device On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:09 PM -0500, "Jason Hanke" <jayhanke(a)NEUTRALPATH.NET<mailto:jayhanke@NEUTRALPATH.NET>> wrote: Name: Amazon Ports: Main Switch xe-2/0/18, xe-2/0/19 [LAG12] ASN: 16509 IPv4: 206.108.255.111/24<http://206.108.255.111/24> IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:407d::1/64 Amazon will be doing Bilateral peering ONLY. No route-server configuration. Welcome Aboard! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net<mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net> www.neutralpath.net<http://www.neutralpath.net> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ ***This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- Please immediately and permanently delete.*** ________________________________ ***This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- Please immediately and permanently delete.***

Oct. 21, 2016

Re: Please welcome Amazon to MICE!

by Ben Wiechman

Nice. It is indeed. Ben Wiechman Network Engineer IV | Arvig Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 Office: 320.256.7471 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 9:22 AM, DeLong, Owen <owen(a)akamai.com> wrote: > Talk about #firstworldproblems. > > > On Oct 20, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Ben Wiechman <ben.wiechman(a)ARVIG.COM > <ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com>> wrote: > > Having a hard time keeping up with all the bilateral peering lately. lol > > > Ben Wiechman > Network Engineer IV | Arvig > Direct: 320.256.0184 > Cell: 320.247.3224 > Office: 320.256.7471 > ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 05:08:59PM -0500, Jason Hanke wrote: >> > Name: Amazon >> >> This is very neat. >> >> -- >> Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG <drechsau(a)geeks.org> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Oct. 21, 2016