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Arista Test Drive Training Wednesday, October 3rd

by John McLaughlin

Hello MICE Members: If you can join us for a day of free training please use the links below to register and review what an Arista Test Drive covers. https://solutions.arista.com/2018-09-atd-minnetonka-mn <https://solutions.arista.com/2018-09-atd-minnetonka-mn> https://solutions.arista.com/atd-training <https://solutions.arista.com/atd-training> ATD TRAINING What we offer: A curriculum designed to deliver world-class content and learning experience Small, intimate class sizes, led by our local engineers, for greater classroom interaction In addition to the schedule listed, we can add classes to fit your needs. Just tell us when and where, and we take care of the rest Please reach out to your Arista Account Manager or Training(a)Arista.com <mailto:Training@Arista.com> for more information! Thanks, -JMc John McLaughlin North Central Sales jmclaughlin(a)arista.com Cell# 612-816-9024 https://www.barrons.com/articles/worlds-best-ceos-growth-leaders-1527304583…

Sept. 23, 2018

Re: Power a pdu?

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 09:18:11PM +0000, Ryan Goldberg wrote: > Sorry for the OT, slap my hand if necessary. Far from OT. Glad you were taken care of! -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Sept. 15, 2018

Re: Power a pdu?

by Ryan Goldberg

I want to thank the folks that reached out. The always helpful Mr Lumby has saved me a headache. Thanks!! > On Sep 14, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Ryan Goldberg <RGoldberg(a)COMPUDYNE.COM> wrote: > > Borrow. Not power. > >> On Sep 14, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Ryan Goldberg <RGoldberg(a)COMPUDYNE.COM> wrote: >> >> Anyone at 511 and have 208v pdu with L6-30 in and a few c13 and c19 out? Ran into a sticky spot and could use one or two tonight. Can order and ship new to you or return in 2.5 weeks. >> >> Sorry for the OT, slap my hand if necessary. >> >> Ryan >> 218-390-5485 >

Sept. 14, 2018

Re: Power a pdu?

by Ryan Goldberg

Borrow. Not power. > On Sep 14, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Ryan Goldberg <RGoldberg(a)COMPUDYNE.COM> wrote: > > Anyone at 511 and have 208v pdu with L6-30 in and a few c13 and c19 out? Ran into a sticky spot and could use one or two tonight. Can order and ship new to you or return in 2.5 weeks. > > Sorry for the OT, slap my hand if necessary. > > Ryan > 218-390-5485

Sept. 14, 2018

Power a pdu?

by Ryan Goldberg

Anyone at 511 and have 208v pdu with L6-30 in and a few c13 and c19 out? Ran into a sticky spot and could use one or two tonight. Can order and ship new to you or return in 2.5 weeks. Sorry for the OT, slap my hand if necessary. Ryan 218-390-5485

Sept. 14, 2018

MICE Mailing Address

by Kayla Olsen

*This is a duplicate notice for some of you, please disregard if it's old news...* Greetings, The mailing address for MICE (Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange) has changed. Please update your records to: Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange PO Box 153 Mankato MN 56002-0153 http://micemn.net/ Thank you, Kayla Olsen MICE Treasurer

Sept. 10, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Richard Laager

On 08/21/2018 02:08 PM, Richard Laager wrote: > On 08/21/2018 08:04 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: >> Since we already have a list of which MACs have proxy ARP on, I would >> suggest the MICE leadership team privately contact those MICE >> participants and ask them to turn off proxy ARP. > > Sure thing. I've emailed them all off-list. As of this afternoon, no MICE participants are doing proxy ARP. Thanks to those participants for responding quickly and reconfiguring their routers. Thanks to Matthew Beckwell for repeated testing to confirm the progress. -- Richard

Aug. 23, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Richard Laager

On 08/21/2018 08:04 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Since we already have a list of which MACs have proxy ARP on, I would > suggest the MICE leadership team privately contact those MICE > participants and ask them to turn off proxy ARP. Sure thing. I've emailed them all off-list. -- Richard

Aug. 21, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Frank Bulk

Since we already have a list of which MACs have proxy ARP on, I would suggest the MICE leadership team privately contact those MICE participants and ask them to turn off proxy ARP. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:36 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic Relavent: https://ripe63.ripe.net/presentations/130-Proxy_ARP_RIPE_Nov2011.pdf Seems like quite a few participants on MICE with proxy ARP still on. I know some IX’s toss you in a quarantine VLAN for initial turn-up - maybe this is something that needs to start, so this sort of thing can be checked? — Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com<mailto:hoyosa@gmail.com> On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: Thanks, Matthew, for explaining why ARP might be happening. Now that CNS has its proxy ARP turned off, it’s AS393639 that’s responding: SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1)#traceroute ip www.yamaha-dealers.com<http://www.yamaha-dealers.com/> source et 3/24 traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com<http://www.yamaha-dealers.com/> (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 AS393639.micemn.net<http://as393639.micemn.net/> (206.108.255.47) 13.936 ms 14.004 ms 13.998 ms 2 v415.core1.msp1.he.net<http://v415.core1.msp1.he.net/> (184.105.25.93) 14.146 ms 14.205 ms 14.274 ms 3 100ge13-1.core2.chi1.he.net<http://100ge13-1.core2.chi1.he.net/> (184.105.223.177) 22.533 ms 22.369 ms 22.538 ms 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 *^CSiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1)# Can an ACL be created on the Arista that discards in/outbound ARP requests for the non-MICE address space? Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic I've disabled proxy arp on the CNS router... Has the behavior changed? On 08/16/2018 05:00 PM, Matthew Beckwell wrote: I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24<http://45.60.73.0/24> from transit connections. So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would think).... When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as expected. But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the order they came into my interface): 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0 206.108.255.50 Cooperative Network Services (CNS) 32609 e4:aa:5d:83:73:06 206.108.255.47 IVDesk 393639 88:43:e1:00:f2:10 206.108.255.18 Consolidated Communications 12042 b0:aa:77:33:7b:03 206.108.255.79 Gigamonster, LLC 31939 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5 206.108.255.46 OneNetUSA 46131 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3 206.108.255.5 Implex 21709 54:75:d0:e6:08:30 206.108.255.106 Nuvera Communications 23465 00:11:5d:82:6c:00 206.108.255.80 Future Technologies 26451 Proxy ARP (or something like it)? CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP entry. ~Matthew matthewb(a)aitech.net<mailto:matthewb@aitech.net> AS13746 On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com<http://www.yamaha-dealers.com/> (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 AS32609.micemn.net<http://as32609.micemn.net/> (206.108.255.50) 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms 2 cns70.cnsllc.net<http://cns70.cnsllc.net/> (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net<http://fg30.ips.cnsllc.net/> (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net<http://crss2.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.197) 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 ms 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net<http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) 23.398 ms fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net<http://fp233.ips.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.233) 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net<http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) 23.393 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. Regards, Frank Bulk AS53347 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 21, 2018

Re: Direct peering to Yahoo! unstable over the last few days

by Frank Bulk

Thanks, Jeremy. I had always assumed Yahoo!'s gear was colo'd at MICE. Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 11:29 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Direct peering to Yahoo! unstable over the last few days I can confirm the same on my router. I also happen to know that Yahoo is connected via a longhaul circuit into MICE. I have a wavelength with the same provider that would logically take the same path based on the same endpoint locations, and they have been having intermittent DC power issues in one of their huts for over a week now. They currently have an electrician on site to try to determine the intermittent piece of equipment. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 11:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Direct peering to Yahoo! unstable over the last few days Anyone else seeing the same as us? Aug 17 17:55:10 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Aug 17 17:55:10 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 17:55:14 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Aug 17 17:55:14 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 17:55:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Aug 17 17:55:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 18:02:13 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 18:02:19 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 18:02:48 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 21:30:59 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 21:31:03 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 21:31:06 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 21:38:05 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 21:38:12 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 21:38:20 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 00:54:55 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 00:54:57 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 00:54:59 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 01:02:41 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 01:02:49 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 01:02:53 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 02:01:30 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 02:01:32 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 02:01:35 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 02:15:55 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 02:16:00 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 02:16:00 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 05:36:50 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 05:36:53 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 05:36:56 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 05:47:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 05:47:21 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 05:47:24 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established

Aug. 21, 2018

Re: Direct peering to Yahoo! unstable over the last few days

by Michael Hare

In short, yes, and at slightly different times than you it would seem. Things are stable here at this time. -Michael =============/================ Aug 15 13:27:17 :%DAEMON-4-RPD_BGP_NEIGHBOR_STATE_CHANGED: BGP peer 206.108.255.58 (External AS 10310) changed state from Established to Idle (event RecvNotify) (instance master) Aug 15 13:27:18 :%DAEMON-4-RPD_BGP_NEIGHBOR_STATE_CHANGED: BGP peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:1 (External AS 10310) changed state from Established to Idle (event RecvNotify) (instance master) Aug 17 11:01:07 :%DAEMON-4-RPD_BGP_NEIGHBOR_STATE_CHANGED: BGP peer 206.108.255.58 (External AS 10310) changed state from Established to Idle (event Stop) (instance master) Aug 17 11:01:07 :%DAEMON-4-RPD_BGP_NEIGHBOR_STATE_CHANGED: BGP peer 206.108.255.59 (External AS 10310) changed state from Established to Idle (event Stop) (instance master) Aug 17 11:01:08 :%DAEMON-4-RPD_BGP_NEIGHBOR_STATE_CHANGED: BGP peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:1 (External AS 10310) changed state from Established to Idle (event Stop) (instance master) Aug 17 11:01:08 :%DAEMON-4-RPD_BGP_NEIGHBOR_STATE_CHANGED: BGP peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (External AS 10310) changed state from Established to Idle (event Stop) (instance master) > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of > Frank Bulk > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 11:12 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Direct peering to Yahoo! unstable over the last few > days > > Anyone else seeing the same as us? > > Aug 17 17:55:10 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor > 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 > bytes > Aug 17 17:55:10 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 17 17:55:14 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor > 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 > bytes > Aug 17 17:55:14 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 17 17:55:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) > 0 bytes > Aug 17 17:55:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new > state Idle > Aug 17 18:02:13 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 17 18:02:19 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 17 18:02:48 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event > RecvKeepAlive new state Established > > Aug 17 21:30:59 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 17 21:31:03 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new > state Idle > Aug 17 21:31:06 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 17 21:38:05 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 17 21:38:12 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event > RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 17 21:38:20 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > > Aug 18 00:54:55 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 18 00:54:57 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new > state Idle > Aug 18 00:54:59 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 18 01:02:41 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 18 01:02:49 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 18 01:02:53 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event > RecvKeepAlive new state Established > > Aug 18 02:01:30 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 18 02:01:32 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 18 02:01:35 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new > state Idle > Aug 18 02:15:55 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 18 02:16:00 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 18 02:16:00 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event > RecvKeepAlive new state Established > > Aug 18 05:36:50 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 18 05:36:53 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new > state Idle > Aug 18 05:36:56 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle > Aug 18 05:47:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 18 05:47:21 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 > (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established > Aug 18 05:47:24 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer > 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event > RecvKeepAlive new state Established

Aug. 20, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Andrew Hoyos

Relavent: https://ripe63.ripe.net/presentations/130-Proxy_ARP_RIPE_Nov2011.pdf <https://ripe63.ripe.net/presentations/130-Proxy_ARP_RIPE_Nov2011.pdf> Seems like quite a few participants on MICE with proxy ARP still on. I know some IX’s toss you in a quarantine VLAN for initial turn-up - maybe this is something that needs to start, so this sort of thing can be checked? — Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > > Thanks, Matthew, for explaining why ARP might be happening. > > Now that CNS has its proxy ARP turned off, it’s AS393639 that’s responding: > > SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1)#traceroute ip www.yamaha-dealers.com <http://www.yamaha-dealers.com/> source et 3/24 > traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com <http://www.yamaha-dealers.com/> (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets > 1 AS393639.micemn.net <http://as393639.micemn.net/> (206.108.255.47) 13.936 ms 14.004 ms 13.998 ms > 2 v415.core1.msp1.he.net <http://v415.core1.msp1.he.net/> (184.105.25.93) 14.146 ms 14.205 ms 14.274 ms > 3 100ge13-1.core2.chi1.he.net <http://100ge13-1.core2.chi1.he.net/> (184.105.223.177) 22.533 ms 22.369 ms 22.538 ms > 4 * * * > 5 * * * > 6 * * * > 7 * * * > 8 * * * > 9 *^CSiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1)# > > Can an ACL be created on the Arista that discards in/outbound ARP requests for the non-MICE address space? > > Frank > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Steve Howard > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:32 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic > > I've disabled proxy arp on the CNS router... Has the behavior changed? > > On 08/16/2018 05:00 PM, Matthew Beckwell wrote: > I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. > > Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24 <http://45.60.73.0/24> from transit connections. > So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would think).... > > When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as expected. > But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the order they came into my interface): > > > 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0 > 206.108.255.50 > Cooperative Network Services (CNS) > 32609 > e4:aa:5d:83:73:06 > 206.108.255.47 > IVDesk > 393639 > 88:43:e1:00:f2:10 > 206.108.255.18 > Consolidated Communications > 12042 > b0:aa:77:33:7b:03 > 206.108.255.79 > Gigamonster, LLC > 31939 > 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5 > 206.108.255.46 > OneNetUSA > 46131 > 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3 > 206.108.255.5 > Implex > 21709 > 54:75:d0:e6:08:30 > 206.108.255.106 > Nuvera Communications > 23465 > 00:11:5d:82:6c:00 > 206.108.255.80 > Future Technologies > 26451 > > > Proxy ARP (or something like it)? > CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP entry. > > ~Matthew > matthewb(a)aitech.net <mailto:matthewb@aitech.net> > AS13746 > > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com <mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: > When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? > > To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: > > traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com <http://www.yamaha-dealers.com/> (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets > 1 AS32609.micemn.net <http://as32609.micemn.net/> (206.108.255.50) 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms > 2 cns70.cnsllc.net <http://cns70.cnsllc.net/> (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms > 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net <http://fg30.ips.cnsllc.net/> (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms > 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net <http://crss2.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.197) 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 ms > 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net <http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) 23.398 ms fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net <http://fp233.ips.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.233) 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net <http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) 23.393 ms > 6 * * * > 7 * * * > 8 * * * > 9 * * * > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 * * * > 14 * * * > 15 * * * > 16 * * * > 17 * * * > 18 * * * > 19 * * * > 20 * * * > 21 * * * > 22 * * * > 23 * * * > 24 * * * > 25 * * * > 26 * * * > 27 * * * > 28 * * * > 29 * * * > 30 * * * > SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) > > The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. > > Regards, > > Frank Bulk > AS53347 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1>

Aug. 18, 2018

Re: Direct peering to Yahoo! unstable over the last few days

by Jeremy Lumby

I can confirm the same on my router. I also happen to know that Yahoo is connected via a longhaul circuit into MICE. I have a wavelength with the same provider that would logically take the same path based on the same endpoint locations, and they have been having intermittent DC power issues in one of their huts for over a week now. They currently have an electrician on site to try to determine the intermittent piece of equipment. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 11:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Direct peering to Yahoo! unstable over the last few days Anyone else seeing the same as us? Aug 17 17:55:10 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Aug 17 17:55:10 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 17:55:14 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Aug 17 17:55:14 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 17:55:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Aug 17 17:55:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 18:02:13 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 18:02:19 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 18:02:48 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 21:30:59 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 21:31:03 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 21:31:06 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 21:38:05 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 21:38:12 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 21:38:20 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 00:54:55 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 00:54:57 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 00:54:59 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 01:02:41 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 01:02:49 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 01:02:53 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 02:01:30 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 02:01:32 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 02:01:35 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 02:15:55 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 02:16:00 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 02:16:00 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 05:36:50 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 05:36:53 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 05:36:56 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 05:47:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 05:47:21 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 05:47:24 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established

Aug. 18, 2018

Re: Subscription Mail: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic

by Mike Horwath

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:25:13PM +0000, Ryan Goldberg wrote: > Proxy arp enabled by default is the silliest thing Cisco ever did. I'd say the constant 8:1 overcommit is the silliest thing ever, followed by proxy arp enablement by default. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Aug. 18, 2018

Direct peering to Yahoo! unstable over the last few days

by Frank Bulk

Anyone else seeing the same as us? Aug 17 17:55:10 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Aug 17 17:55:10 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 17:55:14 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Aug 17 17:55:14 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 17:55:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: sent to neighbor 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) 4/0 (Hold Timer Expired Error/Unspecified) 0 bytes Aug 17 17:55:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 18:02:13 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 18:02:19 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 18:02:48 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 21:30:59 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 21:31:03 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 21:31:06 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 17 21:38:05 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 21:38:12 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 17 21:38:20 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 00:54:55 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 00:54:57 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 00:54:59 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 01:02:41 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 01:02:49 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 01:02:53 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 02:01:30 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 02:01:32 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 02:01:35 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 02:15:55 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 02:16:00 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 02:16:00 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 05:36:50 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 05:36:53 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 05:36:56 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state Established event HoldTime new state Idle Aug 18 05:47:17 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.58 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 05:47:21 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 206.108.255.59 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established Aug 18 05:47:24 207.32.15.28 Rib: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: peer 2001:504:27::2846:0:2 (AS 10310) old state OpenConfirm event RecvKeepAlive new state Established

Aug. 18, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Frank Bulk

Thanks, Matthew, for explaining why ARP might be happening. Now that CNS has its proxy ARP turned off, it’s AS393639 that’s responding: SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1)#traceroute ip www.yamaha-dealers.com source et 3/24 traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 AS393639.micemn.net (206.108.255.47) 13.936 ms 14.004 ms 13.998 ms 2 v415.core1.msp1.he.net (184.105.25.93) 14.146 ms 14.205 ms 14.274 ms 3 100ge13-1.core2.chi1.he.net (184.105.223.177) 22.533 ms 22.369 ms 22.538 ms 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 *^CSiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1)# Can an ACL be created on the Arista that discards in/outbound ARP requests for the non-MICE address space? Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic I've disabled proxy arp on the CNS router... Has the behavior changed? On 08/16/2018 05:00 PM, Matthew Beckwell wrote: I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24<http://45.60.73.0/24> from transit connections. So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would think).... When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as expected. But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the order they came into my interface): 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0 206.108.255.50 Cooperative Network Services (CNS) 32609 e4:aa:5d:83:73:06 206.108.255.47 IVDesk 393639 88:43:e1:00:f2:10 206.108.255.18 Consolidated Communications 12042 b0:aa:77:33:7b:03 206.108.255.79 Gigamonster, LLC 31939 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5 206.108.255.46 OneNetUSA 46131 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3 206.108.255.5 Implex 21709 54:75:d0:e6:08:30 206.108.255.106 Nuvera Communications 23465 00:11:5d:82:6c:00 206.108.255.80 Future Technologies 26451 Proxy ARP (or something like it)? CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP entry. ~Matthew matthewb(a)aitech.net<mailto:matthewb@aitech.net> AS13746 On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com<http://www.yamaha-dealers.com> (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 AS32609.micemn.net<http://AS32609.micemn.net> (206.108.255.50) 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms 2 cns70.cnsllc.net<http://cns70.cnsllc.net> (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net<http://fg30.ips.cnsllc.net> (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net<http://crss2.PaulBunyan.net> (205.149.159.197) 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 ms 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net<http://cra.PaulBunyan.net> (205.149.159.181) 23.398 ms fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net<http://fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net> (205.149.159.233) 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net<http://cra.PaulBunyan.net> (205.149.159.181) 23.393 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. Regards, Frank Bulk AS53347 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by AnthonyAnderberg＠nuvera.net

Interesting - today I've learned that although IOS XR has Proxy ARP disabled by default, IOS XE has it enabled by default: nuveragw1#show ip int te0/3/0 | i ARP Proxy ARP is enabled RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:bbvgw1#show ip int te0/0/0/2 | i ARP Proxy ARP is disabled I’d agree that it’s not expected behavior in this context, so will disable it on Nuvera’s XE router. Thanks for making me smarter, anthony [Anthony_Anderberg]<https://www.nuvera.net/> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Matthew Beckwell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:01 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24<http://45.60.73.0/24> from transit connections. So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would think).... When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as expected. But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the order they came into my interface): 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0 206.108.255.50 Cooperative Network Services (CNS) 32609 e4:aa:5d:83:73:06 206.108.255.47 IVDesk 393639 88:43:e1:00:f2:10 206.108.255.18 Consolidated Communications 12042 b0:aa:77:33:7b:03 206.108.255.79 Gigamonster, LLC 31939 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5 206.108.255.46 OneNetUSA 46131 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3 206.108.255.5 Implex 21709 54:75:d0:e6:08:30 206.108.255.106 Nuvera Communications 23465 00:11:5d:82:6c:00 206.108.255.80 Future Technologies 26451 Proxy ARP (or something like it)? CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP entry. ~Matthew matthewb(a)aitech.net<mailto:matthewb@aitech.net> AS13746 On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com<http://www.yamaha-dealers.com> (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 AS32609.micemn.net<http://AS32609.micemn.net> (206.108.255.50) 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms 2 cns70.cnsllc.net<http://cns70.cnsllc.net> (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net<http://fg30.ips.cnsllc.net> (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net<http://crss2.PaulBunyan.net> (205.149.159.197) 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 ms 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net<http://cra.PaulBunyan.net> (205.149.159.181) 23.398 ms fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net<http://fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net> (205.149.159.233) 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net<http://cra.PaulBunyan.net> (205.149.159.181) 23.393 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. Regards, Frank Bulk AS53347 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 17, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Steve Howard

Aug. 17, 2018

Re: Subscription Mail: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic

by David Farmer

At one level I agree with you, especially when you are talking about IXPs. However, facing userland, proxy arp plasters over a myriad of silly misconfigurations and typos. Which from a TAC and help desk point of view is a good thing, many tickets that are never opened, because it just works. On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Ryan Goldberg <RGoldberg(a)compudyne.com> wrote: > Proxy arp enabled by default is the silliest thing Cisco ever did. > > On Aug 16, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Andrew Hoyos <hoyosa(a)GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > Yeah, was just writing this. > Your router should see that it’s not a directly connected IP, and back up > to routing table/FIB. It may ARP for next hop depending on path. > > For those with this issue, what say your routing tables for this subnet? > And do *you* have proxy arp turned off? > > — > Andrew Hoyos > hoyosa(a)gmail.com > > > > On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > > Why would your router ARP for an address that is not on the same subnet as > any of your interfaces? > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Beckwell > *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:01 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic > > I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. > > Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24 from transit connections. > So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would > think).... > > When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as > expected. > But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the > order they came into my interface): > > > 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0 > 206.108.255.50 > Cooperative Network Services (CNS) > 32609 > e4:aa:5d:83:73:06 > 206.108.255.47 > IVDesk > 393639 > 88:43:e1:00:f2:10 > 206.108.255.18 > Consolidated Communications > 12042 > b0:aa:77:33:7b:03 > 206.108.255.79 > Gigamonster, LLC > 31939 > 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5 > 206.108.255.46 > OneNetUSA > 46131 > 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3 > 206.108.255.5 > Implex > 21709 > 54:75:d0:e6:08:30 > 206.108.255.106 > Nuvera Communications > 23465 > 00:11:5d:82:6c:00 > 206.108.255.80 > Future Technologies > 26451 > > > Proxy ARP (or something like it)? > CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP > entry. > > ~Matthew > matthewb(a)aitech.net > AS13746 > > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> > wrote: > When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, > the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? > > To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via > Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: > > traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte > packets > 1 AS32609.micemn.net <http://as32609.micemn.net/> (206.108.255.50) > 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms > 2 cns70.cnsllc.net (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms > 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms > 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net <http://crss2.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.197) > 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 ms > 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net <http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) > 23.398 ms fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net <http://fp233.ips.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.233) > 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net <http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) > 23.393 ms > 6 * * * > 7 * * * > 8 * * * > 9 * * * > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 * * * > 14 * * * > 15 * * * > 16 * * * > 17 * * * > 18 * * * > 19 * * * > 20 * * * > 21 * * * > 22 * * * > 23 * * * > 24 * * * > 25 * * * > 26 * * * > 27 * * * > 28 * * * > 29 * * * > 30 * * * > SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) > > The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen > customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected > sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. > > Regards, > > Frank Bulk > AS53347 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

Aug. 16, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Matthew Beckwell

On some gear, it will ARP for an address that is not directly connected when you force the interface being used. (Basically telling the router "Ignore the forwarding table...use this interface no matter what"). To which the router says "okay, but i'm gonna have to ARP for it, and anyone watching is going to think I don't know what i'm doing...." (And they'd be correct...) Under normal circumstances (not specifying the interface), my traceroutes happily go out the shortest transit path shown in the full BGP feed. No proxy arp here. :) ~Matthew On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Andrew Hoyos <hoyosa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, was just writing this. > Your router should see that it’s not a directly connected IP, and back up > to routing table/FIB. It may ARP for next hop depending on path. > > For those with this issue, what say your routing tables for this subnet? > And do *you* have proxy arp turned off? > > — > Andrew Hoyos > hoyosa(a)gmail.com > > > > On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > > Why would your router ARP for an address that is not on the same subnet as > any of your interfaces? > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Beckwell > *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:01 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic > > I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. > > Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24 from transit connections. > So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would > think).... > > When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as > expected. > But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the > order they came into my interface): > > > 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0 > 206.108.255.50 > Cooperative Network Services (CNS) > 32609 > e4:aa:5d:83:73:06 > 206.108.255.47 > IVDesk > 393639 > 88:43:e1:00:f2:10 > 206.108.255.18 > Consolidated Communications > 12042 > b0:aa:77:33:7b:03 > 206.108.255.79 > Gigamonster, LLC > 31939 > 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5 > 206.108.255.46 > OneNetUSA > 46131 > 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3 > 206.108.255.5 > Implex > 21709 > 54:75:d0:e6:08:30 > 206.108.255.106 > Nuvera Communications > 23465 > 00:11:5d:82:6c:00 > 206.108.255.80 > Future Technologies > 26451 > > > Proxy ARP (or something like it)? > CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP > entry. > > ~Matthew > matthewb(a)aitech.net > AS13746 > > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> > wrote: > When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, > the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? > > To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via > Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: > > traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte > packets > 1 AS32609.micemn.net <http://as32609.micemn.net/> (206.108.255.50) > 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms > 2 cns70.cnsllc.net (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms > 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms > 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net <http://crss2.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.197) > 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 ms > 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net <http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) > 23.398 ms fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net <http://fp233.ips.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.233) > 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net <http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) > 23.393 ms > 6 * * * > 7 * * * > 8 * * * > 9 * * * > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 * * * > 14 * * * > 15 * * * > 16 * * * > 17 * * * > 18 * * * > 19 * * * > 20 * * * > 21 * * * > 22 * * * > 23 * * * > 24 * * * > 25 * * * > 26 * * * > 27 * * * > 28 * * * > 29 * * * > 30 * * * > SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) > > The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen > customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected > sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. > > Regards, > > Frank Bulk > AS53347 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Aug. 16, 2018

Re: Subscription Mail: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic

by Ryan Goldberg

Proxy arp enabled by default is the silliest thing Cisco ever did. On Aug 16, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Andrew Hoyos <hoyosa(a)GMAIL.COM<mailto:hoyosa@GMAIL.COM>> wrote: Yeah, was just writing this. Your router should see that it’s not a directly connected IP, and back up to routing table/FIB. It may ARP for next hop depending on path. For those with this issue, what say your routing tables for this subnet? And do *you* have proxy arp turned off? — Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com<mailto:hoyosa@gmail.com> On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM>> wrote: Why would your router ARP for an address that is not on the same subnet as any of your interfaces? From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Matthew Beckwell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:01 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24<http://45.60.73.0/24> from transit connections. So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would think).... When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as expected. But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the order they came into my interface): 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0 206.108.255.50 Cooperative Network Services (CNS) 32609 e4:aa:5d:83:73:06 206.108.255.47 IVDesk 393639 88:43:e1:00:f2:10 206.108.255.18 Consolidated Communications 12042 b0:aa:77:33:7b:03 206.108.255.79 Gigamonster, LLC 31939 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5 206.108.255.46 OneNetUSA 46131 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3 206.108.255.5 Implex 21709 54:75:d0:e6:08:30 206.108.255.106 Nuvera Communications 23465 00:11:5d:82:6c:00 206.108.255.80 Future Technologies 26451 Proxy ARP (or something like it)? CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP entry. ~Matthew matthewb(a)aitech.net<mailto:matthewb@aitech.net> AS13746 On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com<http://www.yamaha-dealers.com/> (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 AS32609.micemn.net<http://as32609.micemn.net/> (206.108.255.50) 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms 2 cns70.cnsllc.net<http://cns70.cnsllc.net/> (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net<http://fg30.ips.cnsllc.net/> (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net<http://crss2.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.197) 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 ms 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net<http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) 23.398 ms fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net<http://fp233.ips.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.233) 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net<http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) 23.393 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. Regards, Frank Bulk AS53347 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 16, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Andrew Hoyos

Yeah, was just writing this. Your router should see that it’s not a directly connected IP, and back up to routing table/FIB. It may ARP for next hop depending on path. For those with this issue, what say your routing tables for this subnet? And do *you* have proxy arp turned off? — Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > > Why would your router ARP for an address that is not on the same subnet as any of your interfaces? > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Matthew Beckwell > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:01 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic > > I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. > > Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24 <http://45.60.73.0/24> from transit connections. > So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would think).... > > When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as expected. > But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the order they came into my interface): > > > 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0 > 206.108.255.50 > Cooperative Network Services (CNS) > 32609 > e4:aa:5d:83:73:06 > 206.108.255.47 > IVDesk > 393639 > 88:43:e1:00:f2:10 > 206.108.255.18 > Consolidated Communications > 12042 > b0:aa:77:33:7b:03 > 206.108.255.79 > Gigamonster, LLC > 31939 > 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5 > 206.108.255.46 > OneNetUSA > 46131 > 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3 > 206.108.255.5 > Implex > 21709 > 54:75:d0:e6:08:30 > 206.108.255.106 > Nuvera Communications > 23465 > 00:11:5d:82:6c:00 > 206.108.255.80 > Future Technologies > 26451 > > > Proxy ARP (or something like it)? > CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP entry. > > ~Matthew > matthewb(a)aitech.net <mailto:matthewb@aitech.net> > AS13746 > > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com <mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: > When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? > > To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: > > traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com <http://www.yamaha-dealers.com/> (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets > 1 AS32609.micemn.net <http://as32609.micemn.net/> (206.108.255.50) 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms > 2 cns70.cnsllc.net <http://cns70.cnsllc.net/> (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms > 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net <http://fg30.ips.cnsllc.net/> (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms > 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net <http://crss2.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.197) 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 ms > 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net <http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) 23.398 ms fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net <http://fp233.ips.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.233) 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net <http://cra.paulbunyan.net/> (205.149.159.181) 23.393 ms > 6 * * * > 7 * * * > 8 * * * > 9 * * * > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 * * * > 14 * * * > 15 * * * > 16 * * * > 17 * * * > 18 * * * > 19 * * * > 20 * * * > 21 * * * > 22 * * * > 23 * * * > 24 * * * > 25 * * * > 26 * * * > 27 * * * > 28 * * * > 29 * * * > 30 * * * > SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) > > The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. > > Regards, > > Frank Bulk > AS53347 > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1>

Aug. 16, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Jeremy Lumby

Why would your router ARP for an address that is not on the same subnet as any of your interfaces? From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Matthew Beckwell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:01 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Routing of non-IX traffic I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24 from transit connections. So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would think).... When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as expected. But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the order they came into my interface): 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0206.108.255.50Cooperative Network Services (CNS)32609 e4:aa:5d:83:73:06206.108.255.47IVDesk393639 88:43:e1:00:f2:10206.108.255.18Consolidated Communications12042 b0:aa:77:33:7b:03206.108.255.79Gigamonster, LLC31939 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5206.108.255.46OneNetUSA46131 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3206.108.255.5Implex21709 54:75:d0:e6:08:30206.108.255.106Nuvera Communications23465 00:11:5d:82:6c:00206.108.255.80Future Technologies26451 Proxy ARP (or something like it)? CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP entry. ~Matthew matthewb(a)aitech.net AS13746 On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 AS32609.micemn.net (206.108.255.50) 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms 2 cns70.cnsllc.net (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net (205.149.159.197) 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 ms 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net (205.149.159.181) 23.398 ms fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net (205.149.159.233) 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net (205.149.159.181) 23.393 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. Regards, Frank Bulk AS53347 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Aug. 16, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Matthew Beckwell

I'm getting similar behavior as Frank. Like Doug, I only have 45.60.73.0/24 from transit connections. So a traceroute from my MICE interface should ARP and die (I would think).... When I traceroute to 45.60.73.16-- my router sends out an ARP request, as expected. But...I get ARP replies for 45.60.73.16 from these Cisco MACs (in the order they came into my interface): 00:23:33:c6:a0:c0 206.108.255.50 Cooperative Network Services (CNS) 32609 e4:aa:5d:83:73:06 206.108.255.47 IVDesk 393639 88:43:e1:00:f2:10 206.108.255.18 Consolidated Communications 12042 b0:aa:77:33:7b:03 206.108.255.79 Gigamonster, LLC 31939 3c:08:f6:81:6e:a5 206.108.255.46 OneNetUSA 46131 00:1d:e5:c0:78:c3 206.108.255.5 Implex 21709 54:75:d0:e6:08:30 206.108.255.106 Nuvera Communications 23465 00:11:5d:82:6c:00 206.108.255.80 Future Technologies 26451 Proxy ARP (or something like it)? CNS seems to be consistently coming in first place when I clear my ARP entry. ~Matthew matthewb(a)aitech.net AS13746 On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > When I force a traceroute to originate from our MICE-facing connection, > the first hop is 206.108.255.50 (AS32609 aka CNS). Any reason why? > > To making things more interesting, Incapsula-destined traffic goes via > Paul Bunyan. Here's just one example: > > traceroute to www.yamaha-dealers.com (45.60.73.16), 30 hops max, 60 byte > packets > 1 AS32609.micemn.net (206.108.255.50) 14.059 ms 14.084 ms 14.076 ms > 2 cns70.cnsllc.net (205.149.150.9) 18.484 ms 18.434 ms 18.507 ms > 3 fg30.ips.cnsllc.net (205.149.150.30) 20.254 ms 20.346 ms 20.267 ms > 4 crss2.PaulBunyan.net (205.149.159.197) 20.527 ms 20.562 ms 20.619 > ms > 5 cra.PaulBunyan.net (205.149.159.181) 23.398 ms > fp233.ips.PaulBunyan.net (205.149.159.233) 22.669 ms cra.PaulBunyan.net > (205.149.159.181) 23.393 ms > 6 * * * > 7 * * * > 8 * * * > 9 * * * > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 * * * > 14 * * * > 15 * * * > 16 * * * > 17 * * * > 18 * * * > 19 * * * > 20 * * * > 21 * * * > 22 * * * > 23 * * * > 24 * * * > 25 * * * > 26 * * * > 27 * * * > 28 * * * > 29 * * * > 30 * * * > SiouxCenter-Arista-North(s1) > > The reason I stumbled across this is because we've had more than a dozen > customers over the last month complain about access to Incapsula-protected > sites. Packet captures show TCP RSTs coming from the far side. > > Regards, > > Frank Bulk > AS53347 >

Aug. 16, 2018

Re: Routing of non-IX traffic

by Steve Howard

Aug. 16, 2018