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Re: Fwd: Invitation to WebEx meeting: MICE Meeting

by Russell Berg

Here is the WebEx invite/connection info… From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jason Hanke Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Invitation to WebEx meeting: MICE Meeting <https://meetings.webex.com>[Cisco WebEx logo]<https://meetings.webex.com/><https://meetings.webex.com> Hi, [https://dms-c63.webexconnect.com/wbxdms/core/wbxc/U/U756R84EV65NCIEPEJ4QN7N…] WIN WebEx2(a)wins.net<mailto:WebEx2@wins.net> is inviting you to this WebEx meeting: [https://meetings.webex.com/collabsres0103l/local_domain_res/images/emails/m…] MICE Meeting<https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/view?uuid=M7CHE0SR6SUWQUIA04PUO…> Wed, Jun 22, 2:30 pm | 3 hr Chicago (Central Daylight Time, GMT-05:00) Host: WIN WebEx2(a)wins.net<mailto:WebEx2@wins.net> Join<https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/join?uuid=M7CHE0SR6SUWQUIA04PUO…> [https://meetings.webex.com/collabsres0103l/local_domain_res/images/emails/c…] Add the attached iCalendar (.ics) file to your calendar. [https://meetings.webex.com/collabsres0103l/local_domain_res/images/emails/a…] Agenda This meeting does not have an agenda. [https://meetings.webex.com/collabsres0103l/local_domain_res/images/emails/a…] Access Information Where: WebEx Online Meeting number: 192 718 463 Password: This meeting does not require a password. [https://meetings.webex.com/collabsres0103l/local_domain_res/images/emails/a…] Audio Connection +1-415-655-0001<tel:%2B1-415-655-0001> US TOLL Access code: 192 718 463 Can't access your meeting? Get help.<https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/#/support> Delivering the power of collaboration Cisco WebEx Team [Footer] IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during the meeting to be recorded. By joining this meeting, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the recording or do not join the meeting. Please note that any such recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation. ©2016 Cisco and/or its affiliates. All rights reserved. MT-A-001 <http://www.cisco.com/>[Cisco]<http://www.cisco.com/><http://www.cisco.com/> -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net<mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net> www.neutralpath.net<http://www.neutralpath.net> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 22, 2016

Re: MICE UG Meeting Additional Info

by Chris Wopat

On 06/22/2016 09:06 AM, Russell Berg wrote: > Reminder, we'll start the WebEx around 2:30 so people can debug their audio/video. Will the Webex info be sent out at that time as well? If it's possible to get it in advance even though the conference is not up, that would be helpful. Thanks, -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965

June 22, 2016

Re: MICE UG Meeting Additional Info

by Russell Berg

Reminder, we'll start the WebEx around 2:30 so people can debug their audio/video. Directions attached for those attending in person. We'll be meeting in Suite 201, right at the top off the stairs/elevator doors. People interested in a tour of our facility need to bring a photo ID. If there is anything to be shared from a presentation/graphic perspective, please forward the file(s) to me so they get pre-loaded on the presentation workstation. Looking forward to our meeting later today! Russ Russell Berg Senior Director – Products and Services, WIN 800 Wisconsin Street, Suite 219 Eau Claire, WI 54703 P: 715-832-3726 | C: 715-579-8227 www.wins.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Russell Berg Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:33 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE UG Meeting Additional Info I can accommodate either, or both. 2:15PM for pre-meeting tour. Tourists should bring photo ID. Russ Russell Berg Senior Director – Products and Services, WIN/Airstream P: 715-832-3726 | C: 715-579-8227 www.wins.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:12 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE UG Meeting Additional Info On 06/16/2016 04:00 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: > WIN will also be offering tours of their Network Management Center and > Data Center located in the same building. Before or after the meeting? If before, what time should we arrive? -- Richard

June 22, 2016

Northern Lights Gigapop Maintenance Notice for 6/25/2016

by Colin Murphy

The Northern Lights Gigapop will be performing router maintenance on 6/25/2016 in a window from 8 PM to 2 AM. During this maintenance window you can expect one or more 20 minute service outages. If your service to the Northern Lights Gigapop has not restored by the end of the maintenance window please send an email to help(a)umn.edu with your BGP AS number and a description on the issue and will address it as soon as possible. Thanks, Colin Murphy Sr. Network Engineer Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota Northern Lights Gigapop Help Desk: help(a)umn.edu, 612-301-4357

June 21, 2016

Call for Agenda Items

by Shaun Carlson

With our impending meeting on Wednesday, I'd like to put out a call for any Agenda items anyone would like to be sure we discuss. Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson*Director of Information Technology | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com

June 20, 2016

Fwd: Invitation to WebEx meeting: MICE Meeting

by Jason Hanke

[image: Cisco WebEx logo] <https://meetings.webex.com> Hi, WIN WebEx2(a)wins.net is inviting you to this WebEx meeting: MICE Meeting <https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/view?uuid=M7CHE0SR6SUWQUIA04PUO…> *Wed, Jun 22, 2:30 pm* | 3 hr Chicago (Central Daylight Time, GMT-05:00) Host: WIN WebEx2(a)wins.net Join <https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/join?uuid=M7CHE0SR6SUWQUIA04PUO…> Add the attached iCalendar (.ics) file to your calendar. Agenda This meeting does not have an agenda. Access Information Where: WebEx Online Meeting number: 192 718 463 Password: This meeting does not require a password. Audio Connection *+1-415-655-0001 <%2B1-415-655-0001> *US TOLL Access code: *192 718 463* Can't access your meeting? Get help. <https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/#/support> Delivering the power of collaboration Cisco WebEx Team [image: Footer] IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during the meeting to be recorded. By joining this meeting, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the recording or do not join the meeting. Please note that any such recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation. ©2016 Cisco and/or its affiliates. All rights reserved. MT-A-001 [image: Cisco] <http://www.cisco.com/> -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 20, 2016

Re: One-time port fees

by Jason Hanke

Rough model attached. Intended to be played with and modified. Note, I didn't increase the support costs (counted as part of opex) after the upgrade. We should account for that but after we get a couple of 100G going life seems easier... On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> wrote: > Actually, the NFP process and equipment costs are by far the largest > killers. > > MICE has less than $2500 in annual opex if you exclude the NFP legal fees. > We almost had to stop adding members last year due to running out of ports. > All of the other things have been inkind (printing/pins/website etc) > > Keep in mind that we haven't had a checkbook since 2014. > > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> > wrote: > >> >> Why don't you start with a budget and then fund it? Maybe thats $50 per >> user. Maybe not. Did we ever kick out an operating budget? I'd guess yes. >> >> Port expense is not the killer here. Its cash flow and opex. >> >> >> >> On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:28, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET >> <showard(a)paulbunyan.net>> wrote: >> >> Here is a starting point for a discussion: >> >> 1Gbps $200/month >> 10Gbps $1000/year >> >> Everybody invoiced ANNUALLY. First year/partial year free. i.e. Whoever >> is active on January 1 gets a bill. >> >> All amounts are suggested donations (for now). i.e. You won't be >> disconnected if you don't pay (yet). However that could change at any >> time. Especially if we run out of ports, in that case the members who have >> historically paid for their port(s) take precedence over those who haven't. >> >> End users of remote switches pay as above. Remote switches do not pay as >> long as their end users pay enough to make up for the ports used by the >> remote switch. For example, the CNS switch has 3x10Gbps ports connecting >> to the main MICE switch. The five CNS end users pay $1,000 each, this >> covers the $3,000 cost of the three ports to the CNS switch. If CNS has >> only two users paying $1,000 each, then CNS would owe $1,000. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 06/16/2016 01:53 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: >> >> I'm quietly awaiting a counter proposal... >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: >> >>> SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early >>> exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of >>> their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees >>> would suddenly make us golden. >>> >>> Reid >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this >>>> week. >>>> >>>> There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in >>>> Seattle. >>>> >>>> Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: >>>> >>>> https://www.seattleix.net/join >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.seattleix.net_join…> >>>> >>>> This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jay Hanke >>>> CTO >>>> Neutral Path Communications >>>> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >>>> Mankato, MN 56001 >>>> (507) 327-2398 mobile >>>> <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net>jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >>>> >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> >>>> www.neutralpath.net >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Reid Fishler >>> Director >>> Hurricane Electric >>> +1-510-580-4178 >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jay Hanke >> CTO >> Neutral Path Communications >> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> (507) 327-2398 mobile >> <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net>jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> >> www.neutralpath.net >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 16, 2016

Re: MICE UG Meeting Additional Info

by Russell Berg

I can accommodate either, or both. 2:15PM for pre-meeting tour. Tourists should bring photo ID. Russ Russell Berg Senior Director – Products and Services, WIN/Airstream P: 715-832-3726 | C: 715-579-8227 www.wins.net -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:12 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE UG Meeting Additional Info On 06/16/2016 04:00 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: > WIN will also be offering tours of their Network Management Center and > Data Center located in the same building. Before or after the meeting? If before, what time should we arrive? -- Richard

June 16, 2016

Re: One-time port fees

by Jason Hanke

Actually, the NFP process and equipment costs are by far the largest killers. MICE has less than $2500 in annual opex if you exclude the NFP legal fees. We almost had to stop adding members last year due to running out of ports. All of the other things have been inkind (printing/pins/website etc) Keep in mind that we haven't had a checkbook since 2014. On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > Why don't you start with a budget and then fund it? Maybe thats $50 per > user. Maybe not. Did we ever kick out an operating budget? I'd guess yes. > > Port expense is not the killer here. Its cash flow and opex. > > > > On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:28, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET > <showard(a)paulbunyan.net>> wrote: > > Here is a starting point for a discussion: > > 1Gbps $200/month > 10Gbps $1000/year > > Everybody invoiced ANNUALLY. First year/partial year free. i.e. Whoever > is active on January 1 gets a bill. > > All amounts are suggested donations (for now). i.e. You won't be > disconnected if you don't pay (yet). However that could change at any > time. Especially if we run out of ports, in that case the members who have > historically paid for their port(s) take precedence over those who haven't. > > End users of remote switches pay as above. Remote switches do not pay as > long as their end users pay enough to make up for the ports used by the > remote switch. For example, the CNS switch has 3x10Gbps ports connecting > to the main MICE switch. The five CNS end users pay $1,000 each, this > covers the $3,000 cost of the three ports to the CNS switch. If CNS has > only two users paying $1,000 each, then CNS would owe $1,000. > > > > > > On 06/16/2016 01:53 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: > > I'm quietly awaiting a counter proposal... > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: > >> SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early >> exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of >> their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees >> would suddenly make us golden. >> >> Reid >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> >> wrote: >> >>> There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this >>> week. >>> >>> There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in Seattle. >>> >>> Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: >>> >>> https://www.seattleix.net/join >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.seattleix.net_join…> >>> >>> This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. >>> >>> -- >>> Jay Hanke >>> CTO >>> Neutral Path Communications >>> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >>> Mankato, MN 56001 >>> (507) 327-2398 mobile >>> <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net>jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >>> >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> >>> www.neutralpath.net >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Reid Fishler >> Director >> Hurricane Electric >> +1-510-580-4178 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> >> > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net>jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> > www.neutralpath.net > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 16, 2016

Re: MICE UG Meeting Additional Info

by Richard Laager

On 06/16/2016 04:00 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: > WIN will also be offering tours of their Network Management Center and > Data Center located in the same building. Before or after the meeting? If before, what time should we arrive? -- Richard

June 16, 2016