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Please welcome Rozint to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: Rozint Ltd Co Switch: NOCIX Ports: E 5/11 ASN: 21738 IPv4: 206.108.255.216/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:54EA::1/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)rozint.com Route Servers: YES Welcome Aboard! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

Nov. 3, 2023

Re: Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream

by Jon Westlund

I am hitting a consistent 10.5Mbps during the pre-game and can confirm a drastic drop in throughput during commercials. I have a 4K firestick with non-4K TV and 100Mb symmetrical service. This is 30-second polling, 30-second average graph - [image: image.png] JW On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 4:09 PM Ben Wiechman < 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > Unfortunately that's 20k of our customers. :) > > Ben Wiechman > > Director of Network Strategy and Engineering > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > > > > > On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 3:22 PM Mike Johnston <mjohnston(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > >> On 2023-11-01 07:56, Ben Wiechman wrote: >> > What is 10+? 10.x or 11-12-13 Mbps? >> >> The last time I cared about this level of detail is when I had DSL to my >> house, as was trying get every last drop of bandwidth I could get. >> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Jon Westlund Network Engineer III Direct: 320.256.0229 Cell: 320.237.2386 jon.westlund(a)arvig.com 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com

Nov. 2, 2023

Re: Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream

by Ben Wiechman

Unfortunately that's 20k of our customers. :) Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 3:22 PM Mike Johnston <mjohnston(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > On 2023-11-01 07:56, Ben Wiechman wrote: > > What is 10+? 10.x or 11-12-13 Mbps? > > The last time I cared about this level of detail is when I had DSL to my > house, as was trying get every last drop of bandwidth I could get. >

Nov. 2, 2023

Re: Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream

by Mike Johnston

On 2023-11-01 07:56, Ben Wiechman wrote: > What is 10+? 10.x or 11-12-13 Mbps? The last time I cared about this level of detail is when I had DSL to my house, as was trying get every last drop of bandwidth I could get.

Nov. 2, 2023

Re: Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream

by Ben Wiechman

Thanks. Time to experiment, since we haven't been able to get much of a response from anyone with specifics. Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, 17:22 Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > Sorry, I don’t know that level of detail. > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Ben > Wiechman > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 1, 2023 7:57 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream > > > > What are your seeing during the games? What is 10+? 10.x or 11-12-13 Mbps? > > > Ben Wiechman > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering > Direct: 320.256.0184 > Cell: 320.247.3224 > ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/d005f9f3/ghmcPBq_REuBMPsL7tmn6Q?u=http://arvig…> > > > > On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, 07:43 Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > > I interacted with Qwilt support a few weeks ago about the drops in > bandwidth during the game it looks like it’s 10+ Mbps during the game: > > > > *We've also shared this pattern with Amazon engineers, and they clarified > that there is indeed a reduction in Average Bitrate during ad breaks. It > drops from around 10+ Mbps during the game to about 4 Mbps during > advertisements. The drop in bandwidth usage in the graphs appeared to be > during the ad breaks.* > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Ben > Wiechman > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:17 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream > > > > Has anyone spent any time studying the bitrate per stream this year? What > are you seeing on your networks? > > > > Our Qwilt cache is reporting 25Mbps/stream average, which doesn't seem > realistic by other measures. > > > > *Ben Wiechman* > > Director of Network Strategy and Engineering > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/a6e36c05/7cnAjaNFCkWFaaYAN3-hMQ?u=http://arvig…> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > https://link.edgepilot.com/s/55f4a9ea/CfJTVwWpSEaZLR--NOmK0Q?u=http://lists… > > > > Links contained in this email have been replaced. If you click on a link > in the email above, the link will be analyzed for known threats. If a known > threat is found, you will not be able to proceed to the destination. If > suspicious content is detected, you will see a warning. > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > https://link.edgepilot.com/s/75c65b9c/FIO9CegqWkqd6H1TmU4_Wg?u=http://lists… > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > https://link.edgepilot.com/s/75c65b9c/FIO9CegqWkqd6H1TmU4_Wg?u=http://lists… > > > > Links contained in this email have been replaced. If you click on a link > in the email above, the link will be analyzed for known threats. If a known > threat is found, you will not be able to proceed to the destination. If > suspicious content is detected, you will see a warning. > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Nov. 2, 2023

Re: Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream

by Frank Bulk

Sorry, I don’t know that level of detail. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 7:57 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream What are your seeing during the games? What is 10+? 10.x or 11-12-13 Mbps? Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/d005f9f3/ghmcPBq_REuBMPsL7tmn6Q?u=http://arvig…> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, 07:43 Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: I interacted with Qwilt support a few weeks ago about the drops in bandwidth during the game it looks like it’s 10+ Mbps during the game: We've also shared this pattern with Amazon engineers, and they clarified that there is indeed a reduction in Average Bitrate during ad breaks. It drops from around 10+ Mbps during the game to about 4 Mbps during advertisements. The drop in bandwidth usage in the graphs appeared to be during the ad breaks. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:17 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream Has anyone spent any time studying the bitrate per stream this year? What are you seeing on your networks? Our Qwilt cache is reporting 25Mbps/stream average, which doesn't seem realistic by other measures. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/a6e36c05/7cnAjaNFCkWFaaYAN3-hMQ?u=http://arvig…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: https://link.edgepilot.com/s/55f4a9ea/CfJTVwWpSEaZLR--NOmK0Q?u=http://lists… Links contained in this email have been replaced. If you click on a link in the email above, the link will be analyzed for known threats. If a known threat is found, you will not be able to proceed to the destination. If suspicious content is detected, you will see a warning. ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: https://link.edgepilot.com/s/75c65b9c/FIO9CegqWkqd6H1TmU4_Wg?u=http://lists… ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: https://link.edgepilot.com/s/75c65b9c/FIO9CegqWkqd6H1TmU4_Wg?u=http://lists… Links contained in this email have been replaced. If you click on a link in the email above, the link will be analyzed for known threats. If a known threat is found, you will not be able to proceed to the destination. If suspicious content is detected, you will see a warning.

Nov. 1, 2023

Re: Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream

by Ben Wiechman

What are your seeing during the games? What is 10+? 10.x or 11-12-13 Mbps? Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, 07:43 Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com> wrote: > I interacted with Qwilt support a few weeks ago about the drops in > bandwidth during the game it looks like it’s 10+ Mbps during the game: > > > > *We've also shared this pattern with Amazon engineers, and they clarified > that there is indeed a reduction in Average Bitrate during ad breaks. It > drops from around 10+ Mbps during the game to about 4 Mbps during > advertisements. The drop in bandwidth usage in the graphs appeared to be > during the ad breaks.* > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Ben > Wiechman > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:17 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream > > > > Has anyone spent any time studying the bitrate per stream this year? What > are you seeing on your networks? > > > > Our Qwilt cache is reporting 25Mbps/stream average, which doesn't seem > realistic by other measures. > > > > *Ben Wiechman* > > Director of Network Strategy and Engineering > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/a6e36c05/7cnAjaNFCkWFaaYAN3-hMQ?u=http://arvig…> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > https://link.edgepilot.com/s/55f4a9ea/CfJTVwWpSEaZLR--NOmK0Q?u=http://lists… > > > > Links contained in this email have been replaced. If you click on a link > in the email above, the link will be analyzed for known threats. If a known > threat is found, you will not be able to proceed to the destination. If > suspicious content is detected, you will see a warning. > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Nov. 1, 2023

Re: Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream

by Frank Bulk

I interacted with Qwilt support a few weeks ago about the drops in bandwidth during the game it looks like it’s 10+ Mbps during the game: We've also shared this pattern with Amazon engineers, and they clarified that there is indeed a reduction in Average Bitrate during ad breaks. It drops from around 10+ Mbps during the game to about 4 Mbps during advertisements. The drop in bandwidth usage in the graphs appeared to be during the ad breaks. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:17 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream Has anyone spent any time studying the bitrate per stream this year? What are you seeing on your networks? Our Qwilt cache is reporting 25Mbps/stream average, which doesn't seem realistic by other measures. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/a6e36c05/7cnAjaNFCkWFaaYAN3-hMQ?u=http://arvig…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: https://link.edgepilot.com/s/55f4a9ea/CfJTVwWpSEaZLR--NOmK0Q?u=http://lists… Links contained in this email have been replaced. If you click on a link in the email above, the link will be analyzed for known threats. If a known threat is found, you will not be able to proceed to the destination. If suspicious content is detected, you will see a warning.

Nov. 1, 2023

Amazon TNF Bitrate/Stream

by Ben Wiechman

Has anyone spent any time studying the bitrate per stream this year? What are you seeing on your networks? Our Qwilt cache is reporting 25Mbps/stream average, which doesn't seem realistic by other measures. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com

Oct. 31, 2023

Please welcome Pudu to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: Pudu LLC Switch: NOCIX Ports: E 5/10 ASN: 47689 IPv4: 206.108.255.215/24 IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:BA49::1/64 Peering Contact: peering(a)pudu.be Route Servers: YES Welcome Aboard! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

Oct. 27, 2023