- mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: MICE Renumbering

by Dean Bahls

It seems that we had a similar issue at CNS that James Stahr mentions below. We removed the old addresses last week without bouncing the BGP sessions and the old addresses were still in use (we had the new addresses in our routers for several weeks but they apparently weren't being used.) Caused a few problems till we reset BGP. All is good now. Dean Bahls CNS Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2012, at 8:22 PM, David Farmer <farmer(a)UMN.EDU> wrote: > I apologize for implying you hadn't done you part and thanks for fixing it, I now see you announcing the new next-hop address. > > On 12/16/12 20:11 , James Stahr wrote: >> I can't speak for anyone else, but I thought I had completed the changes by swapping my $C secondary addresses around a few weeks ago and thought I was done. But it looks like I did the swap too quickly and even though 69.147.218.26 was now a secondary address and all of my BGP sessions were using 206.108.255.26 as the source IP, I was still advertising the next-hop using the old block. Turns out if the BGP sessions don't drop, the next-hop won't change. As I've previously stated, my $C equipment cannot advertise routes with BOTH next-hops. >> >> -James >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Farmer [mailto:farmer@umn.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:46 PM >> To: MICE Discuss; peering(a)wiktel.com; James Stahr; mwilker(a)jagcom.net; servicenotices(a)atomicdata.com >> Cc: farmer(a)umn.edu >> Subject: MICE Renumbering >> >> OK, I think it is now time for a little public shaming; the following MICE participants are only announcing their prefixes using the old next-hop addresses through the route servers. We were all suppose to be using only the new addresses as of two weeks ago. There is one other participant announce with both the old and the new next-hop address, we (Northern Lights GigAPOP) just stopped doing this earlier today, and are now announcing using only the new next-hop addresses. All other participants are announcing to the route servers are using only the new next-hop addresses. >> >> AS33362 Wikstrom Telephone Company (Wiktel) >> AS25694 Atomic Data >> AS15011 Jaguar Communications >> AS3599 CDW/Berbee >> >> Please convert your peering session to announcing with the new next-hop addresses, ASAP. If for some reason you can't do this in the next week, please send a note to the MICE-DISCUSS mailing list detailing when you will be converting. >> >> As a reminder, here is the original cutover schedule that was emailed out several months ago: >> >> Addition of Address Secondary: before 10/1/2012 >> New Prefix Announcements: after 10/1/2012 >> Final use of old IP address next-hop: before 11/30/2012 >> Removal of old IP address range: after 12/1/2012 >> Project End: 12/31/2012 >> >> Thanks. >> -- >> ================================================ >> David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ > > > -- > ================================================ > David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 > ================================================ > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: MICE Renumbering

by David Farmer

Well, here is what I was seeing earlier; * 63.127.10.0/23 69.147.218.14 180 0 25694 18606 i *> 69.147.218.14 180 0 25694 18606 i * 64.244.48.0/20 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 69.67.16.0/20 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 71.5.104.0/21 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 74.202.238.0/24 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 74.202.239.0/24 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 199.66.72.0/22 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 69.147.218.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 204.17.210.0 69.147.218.14 180 0 25694 40796 i *> 69.147.218.14 180 0 25694 40796 i And, here is what I am seeing now; * 63.127.10.0/23 206.108.255.14 180 0 25694 18606 i *> 206.108.255.14 180 0 25694 18606 i * 64.244.48.0/20 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 69.67.16.0/20 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 71.5.104.0/21 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 74.202.238.0/24 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 74.202.239.0/24 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 199.66.72.0/22 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i *> 206.108.255.14 0 180 0 25694 i * 204.17.210.0 206.108.255.14 180 0 25694 40796 i *> 206.108.255.14 180 0 25694 40796 i What every you did its announcing the new next-hop addresses now. Maybe you were having a similar issue to what the CDW/Berbee guys were. I apologize, and hopefully everyone's issues are as simple. Thanks. On 12/16/12 20:40 , Larry Patterson wrote: > David, > > We've been announcing on both ranges for quite some time. We only left > the old ones up because many bi-lateral's had not changed to our new peers > yet. I've just turned down all of our old peering sessions now. I think > that you are incorrect that we were announcing via only our old next-hop > address. We were announcing via both, I can assure you of this. Just to > be sure (and to be compliant with the schedule), I've turned down all of > our old IPv4 and IPv6 sessions. Please let me know if you see any issues. > > Thanks, > Larry Patterson Chief Technology Officer > Atomic Data > 615 North 3rd Street > Minneapolis, MN 55401 > 612.466.2000 Main Line > 612.466.2080 Direct Dial > Twitter <http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn > <http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> > Simple. Safe. Smart. > www.atomicdata.com <http://www.atomicdata.com/> > This message and any information or attachments included therewith is > intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, > dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information > attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and > destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. > Thank you. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > > > > On 12/16/12 8:22 PM, "David Farmer" <farmer(a)umn.edu> wrote: > >> I apologize for implying you hadn't done you part and thanks for fixing >> it, I now see you announcing the new next-hop address. >> >> On 12/16/12 20:11 , James Stahr wrote: >>> I can't speak for anyone else, but I thought I had completed the >>> changes by swapping my $C secondary addresses around a few weeks ago and >>> thought I was done. But it looks like I did the swap too quickly and >>> even though 69.147.218.26 was now a secondary address and all of my BGP >>> sessions were using 206.108.255.26 as the source IP, I was still >>> advertising the next-hop using the old block. Turns out if the BGP >>> sessions don't drop, the next-hop won't change. As I've previously >>> stated, my $C equipment cannot advertise routes with BOTH next-hops. >>> >>> -James >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Farmer [mailto:farmer@umn.edu] >>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:46 PM >>> To: MICE Discuss; peering(a)wiktel.com; James Stahr; mwilker(a)jagcom.net; >>> servicenotices(a)atomicdata.com >>> Cc: farmer(a)umn.edu >>> Subject: MICE Renumbering >>> >>> OK, I think it is now time for a little public shaming; the following >>> MICE participants are only announcing their prefixes using the old >>> next-hop addresses through the route servers. We were all suppose to be >>> using only the new addresses as of two weeks ago. There is one other >>> participant announce with both the old and the new next-hop address, we >>> (Northern Lights GigAPOP) just stopped doing this earlier today, and are >>> now announcing using only the new next-hop addresses. All other >>> participants are announcing to the route servers are using only the new >>> next-hop addresses. >>> >>> AS33362 Wikstrom Telephone Company (Wiktel) >>> AS25694 Atomic Data >>> AS15011 Jaguar Communications >>> AS3599 CDW/Berbee >>> >>> Please convert your peering session to announcing with the new next-hop >>> addresses, ASAP. If for some reason you can't do this in the next week, >>> please send a note to the MICE-DISCUSS mailing list detailing when you >>> will be converting. >>> >>> As a reminder, here is the original cutover schedule that was emailed >>> out several months ago: >>> >>> Addition of Address Secondary: before 10/1/2012 >>> New Prefix Announcements: after 10/1/2012 >>> Final use of old IP address next-hop: before 11/30/2012 >>> Removal of old IP address range: after 12/1/2012 >>> Project End: 12/31/2012 >>> >>> Thanks. >>> -- >>> ================================================ >>> David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu >>> Office of Information Technology >>> University of Minnesota >>> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 >>> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 >>> ================================================ >>> >> >> >> -- >> ================================================ >> David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 >> ================================================ > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: MICE Renumbering

by Larry Patterson

David, We've been announcing on both ranges for quite some time. We only left the old ones up because many bi-lateral's had not changed to our new peers yet. I've just turned down all of our old peering sessions now. I think that you are incorrect that we were announcing via only our old next-hop address. We were announcing via both, I can assure you of this. Just to be sure (and to be compliant with the schedule), I've turned down all of our old IPv4 and IPv6 sessions. Please let me know if you see any issues. Thanks, Larry Patterson Chief Technology Officer Atomic Data 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 612.466.2000 Main Line 612.466.2080 Direct Dial Twitter <http://twitter.com/AtomicData> | Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/AtomicDataCenters> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/companies/atomic-data-centers> Simple. Safe. Smart. www.atomicdata.com <http://www.atomicdata.com/> This message and any information or attachments included therewith is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message or any information attached or contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. Thank you. Please consider the environment before printing this email. On 12/16/12 8:22 PM, "David Farmer" <farmer(a)umn.edu> wrote: >I apologize for implying you hadn't done you part and thanks for fixing >it, I now see you announcing the new next-hop address. > >On 12/16/12 20:11 , James Stahr wrote: >> I can't speak for anyone else, but I thought I had completed the >>changes by swapping my $C secondary addresses around a few weeks ago and >>thought I was done. But it looks like I did the swap too quickly and >>even though 69.147.218.26 was now a secondary address and all of my BGP >>sessions were using 206.108.255.26 as the source IP, I was still >>advertising the next-hop using the old block. Turns out if the BGP >>sessions don't drop, the next-hop won't change. As I've previously >>stated, my $C equipment cannot advertise routes with BOTH next-hops. >> >> -James >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Farmer [mailto:farmer@umn.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:46 PM >> To: MICE Discuss; peering(a)wiktel.com; James Stahr; mwilker(a)jagcom.net; >>servicenotices(a)atomicdata.com >> Cc: farmer(a)umn.edu >> Subject: MICE Renumbering >> >> OK, I think it is now time for a little public shaming; the following >>MICE participants are only announcing their prefixes using the old >>next-hop addresses through the route servers. We were all suppose to be >>using only the new addresses as of two weeks ago. There is one other >>participant announce with both the old and the new next-hop address, we >>(Northern Lights GigAPOP) just stopped doing this earlier today, and are >>now announcing using only the new next-hop addresses. All other >>participants are announcing to the route servers are using only the new >>next-hop addresses. >> >> AS33362 Wikstrom Telephone Company (Wiktel) >> AS25694 Atomic Data >> AS15011 Jaguar Communications >> AS3599 CDW/Berbee >> >> Please convert your peering session to announcing with the new next-hop >>addresses, ASAP. If for some reason you can't do this in the next week, >>please send a note to the MICE-DISCUSS mailing list detailing when you >>will be converting. >> >> As a reminder, here is the original cutover schedule that was emailed >>out several months ago: >> >> Addition of Address Secondary: before 10/1/2012 >> New Prefix Announcements: after 10/1/2012 >> Final use of old IP address next-hop: before 11/30/2012 >> Removal of old IP address range: after 12/1/2012 >> Project End: 12/31/2012 >> >> Thanks. >> -- >> ================================================ >> David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 >>================================================ >> > > >-- >================================================ >David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu >Office of Information Technology >University of Minnesota >2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 >Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 >================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: MICE Renumbering

by Mike Horwath

Dave, can you double check n Atomic? Should be announcing on both ranges. -- Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: MICE Renumbering

by David Farmer

I apologize for implying you hadn't done you part and thanks for fixing it, I now see you announcing the new next-hop address. On 12/16/12 20:11 , James Stahr wrote: > I can't speak for anyone else, but I thought I had completed the changes by swapping my $C secondary addresses around a few weeks ago and thought I was done. But it looks like I did the swap too quickly and even though 69.147.218.26 was now a secondary address and all of my BGP sessions were using 206.108.255.26 as the source IP, I was still advertising the next-hop using the old block. Turns out if the BGP sessions don't drop, the next-hop won't change. As I've previously stated, my $C equipment cannot advertise routes with BOTH next-hops. > > -James > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Farmer [mailto:farmer@umn.edu] > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:46 PM > To: MICE Discuss; peering(a)wiktel.com; James Stahr; mwilker(a)jagcom.net; servicenotices(a)atomicdata.com > Cc: farmer(a)umn.edu > Subject: MICE Renumbering > > OK, I think it is now time for a little public shaming; the following MICE participants are only announcing their prefixes using the old next-hop addresses through the route servers. We were all suppose to be using only the new addresses as of two weeks ago. There is one other participant announce with both the old and the new next-hop address, we (Northern Lights GigAPOP) just stopped doing this earlier today, and are now announcing using only the new next-hop addresses. All other participants are announcing to the route servers are using only the new next-hop addresses. > > AS33362 Wikstrom Telephone Company (Wiktel) > AS25694 Atomic Data > AS15011 Jaguar Communications > AS3599 CDW/Berbee > > Please convert your peering session to announcing with the new next-hop addresses, ASAP. If for some reason you can't do this in the next week, please send a note to the MICE-DISCUSS mailing list detailing when you will be converting. > > As a reminder, here is the original cutover schedule that was emailed out several months ago: > > Addition of Address Secondary: before 10/1/2012 > New Prefix Announcements: after 10/1/2012 > Final use of old IP address next-hop: before 11/30/2012 > Removal of old IP address range: after 12/1/2012 > Project End: 12/31/2012 > > Thanks. > -- > ================================================ > David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ > -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: MICE Renumbering

by Mike Horwath

Grr! Thanks, I'm pushing internally at Atomic. -- Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012

MICE Renumbering

by David Farmer

OK, I think it is now time for a little public shaming; the following MICE participants are only announcing their prefixes using the old next-hop addresses through the route servers. We were all suppose to be using only the new addresses as of two weeks ago. There is one other participant announce with both the old and the new next-hop address, we (Northern Lights GigAPOP) just stopped doing this earlier today, and are now announcing using only the new next-hop addresses. All other participants are announcing to the route servers are using only the new next-hop addresses. AS33362 Wikstrom Telephone Company (Wiktel) AS25694 Atomic Data AS15011 Jaguar Communications AS3599 CDW/Berbee Please convert your peering session to announcing with the new next-hop addresses, ASAP. If for some reason you can't do this in the next week, please send a note to the MICE-DISCUSS mailing list detailing when you will be converting. As a reminder, here is the original cutover schedule that was emailed out several months ago: Addition of Address Secondary: before 10/1/2012 New Prefix Announcements: after 10/1/2012 Final use of old IP address next-hop: before 11/30/2012 Removal of old IP address range: after 12/1/2012 Project End: 12/31/2012 Thanks. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: Graphing issue?

by Anthony Anderberg

I've fixed this and the other switch IP addresses as well. I guess I wanted members to do as I say and not as I do. egg > /dev/face Happy Holidays everyone, anthony Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Graphing issue? Mike, I've been doing cleanup stuff and removed the old IP address from the CNS switch. Apparently, something is still querying the old address. Steve On 12/11/2012 07:40 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I was digging through the mice graph's. Appears we lost about a gig and a half at 18:45 or so according to the aggregate graph. I think it's related to what looks like a loss of graphing of the cns switch. Mike Bushard Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.0178 direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID RAZR by Motorola Please excuse short responses and spelling errors. ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: Graphing issue?

by Mike Bushard, Jr

Sounds good Steve. One of those things that makes you do a double take until you dig in a little further… Mike Bushard, Jr | Network Engineer IV | *Arvig* | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile | 320-256-7555 Fax [image: Description: http://ipstats.arvig.net/arviglogo.jpeg] *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf Of *Steve Howard *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:55 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Graphing issue? Mike, I've been doing cleanup stuff and removed the old IP address from the CNS switch. Apparently, something is still querying the old address. Steve On 12/11/2012 07:40 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I was digging through the mice graph's. Appears we lost about a gig and a half at 18:45 or so according to the aggregate graph. I think it's related to what looks like a loss of graphing of the cns switch. Mike Bushard Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.0178 direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID RAZR by Motorola Please excuse short responses and spelling errors. ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: Graphing issue?

by Steve Howard

Dec. 12, 2012