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Re: MICE MTU

by Doug McIntyre

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:29:38PM +0000, Koch, Andrew wrote: > The UG 13 minutes make note that the exchange MTU is 9000 bytes. Are other members configuring their routers for an MTU of 9000? I don't know if this number came from anybody technical, or somebody just stuck it in there as a desire to move to? The Juniper switch stack is NOT configured for an MTU of 9000. Nor is the Mankato extension. dmcintyre@MICE-SW1> show int | match MTU Link-level type: Ethernet, MTU: 1514, Speed: 10Gbps, Duplex: Full-Duplex, ... every other interface matching MTU ... In Juniper speak, MTU of 1514 == 1500 of Cisco (and just about everybody else). So, if anybody has thought of doing Jumbo frames, it isn't supported at the core Juniper switch stack without updating the config. The CMS switch may be different. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

July 25, 2014

Re: UG 13 Minutes

by Doug McIntyre

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 05:57:46PM -0500, Doug McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 05:34:15PM -0500, Shaun Carlson wrote: > > Both of the public MICE lists appear to have broken archives at lists.iphouse.net since May. Is there someone that can take a peek at this? > > Sure, I'll look into the issue. > (Nothing amiss on the system AFAIK, it'll take a deeper view to find). This is fixed up now. Sorry some variables got reset on the last software updates. :-( (but the list has a method for DMARC delivery type issues if needed). -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

July 25, 2014

Re: UG 13 Minutes

by Hannigan, Martin

Thanks Shaun! Best, -M< On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson(a)ARVIG.COM> wrote: > Marty, > > To date, our policy has been to not fund the transit requirements and our plan is to maintain that position. We did not vote one way or another as we did not meet quorum requirements. > > s > > Shaun Carlson > Network Engineering Manager | Arvig > ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com > On July 24, 2014 at 16:31:09 CDT, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: >> >> >> Its not entirely clear from the minutes; did the members vote for or against funding googles transit requirement? >> >> Best, >> >> -M< >> >> >> >> On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Shaun Carlson wrote: >> >> > Please see attached, send me any corrections or updates. >> > >> > As an important note: >> > >> > The next meeting will be on Wednesday, October 22nd from 4pm to 7pm at the 511 Building; please mark your calendars now and plan on being there! >> > >> > Thanks and see you all in October! >> > >> > s >> > >> > Shaun Carlson >> > Network Engineering Manager | Arvig >> > ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com >> > >> > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> > ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > >> > >> >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

July 25, 2014

Open-IX OIX-1 Was: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE MTU

by Hannigan, Martin

Btw, I would like to see PVLAN implemented if possible. It's not just for big IXPs, its for all. And MICE is getting big regardless. The compliance pieces fit well here IMHO. OIX-1 is an open standard; IXP's can choose to either be compliant or be certified. Ether way, it's open and recommended. Best, -M< On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:12 PM, "Hannigan, Martin" <marty(a)AKAMAI.COM> wrote: > > > Generally, the general IXP community has determined that the minimum exchange services configuration should be: > > http://www.open-ix.org/certification/ixp-technical-requirements/ > > If we all thought it was desired as a minimum configuration at an IXP, it would've made it in there IMHO. It didn't. If someone thinks all IXPs should do this, they should take a run at this and see if they can get the rest of the IXP community to support it (Not just Netnod and NASA). > > We have the same issue as Andrew, and we have zero interest to go to an MTU of 9000. > > > Best, > > -M< > > > > > On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:29 PM, "Koch, Andrew" <andrew.koch(a)TDSTELECOM.COM> wrote: > >> The UG 13 minutes make note that the exchange MTU is 9000 bytes. Are other members configuring their routers for an MTU of 9000? >> >> I ask as TDS has not - we have stuck with the Ethernet standard 1500 bytes. If anyone on the exchange has set an MTU of 9000 and tries to send jumbo traffic to us, it will not be accepted and no indication will be sent back to the originator. (10d in the linked document below) >> >> If no one (or few) has setup their routers for an MTU of 9000, but we as a community wish to enable this, I would recommend that we schedule a flag day so that we can minimize blackholing of traffic across the exchange. >> >> While only a draft, see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mlevy-ixp-jumboframes-00 for further information on IXP Jumbo Frame operation and conversion. For those that like presentations more than IETF drafts, Martin Levy (of Hurricane Electric at the time) presented this at RIPE 64 - https://ripe64.ripe.net/presentations/139-Hurricane_Electric_-_Martin_Levy_… >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Andy Koch >> TDS Telecom - IP Network Operations >> andrew.koch(a)tdstelecom.com >> Desk: 608-664-4694 >> Cell: 608-616-0072 >> >> >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

July 25, 2014

Re: MICE MTU

by Hannigan, Martin

Generally, the general IXP community has determined that the minimum exchange services configuration should be: http://www.open-ix.org/certification/ixp-technical-requirements/ If we all thought it was desired as a minimum configuration at an IXP, it would've made it in there IMHO. It didn't. If someone thinks all IXPs should do this, they should take a run at this and see if they can get the rest of the IXP community to support it (Not just Netnod and NASA). We have the same issue as Andrew, and we have zero interest to go to an MTU of 9000. Best, -M< On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:29 PM, "Koch, Andrew" <andrew.koch(a)TDSTELECOM.COM> wrote: > The UG 13 minutes make note that the exchange MTU is 9000 bytes. Are other members configuring their routers for an MTU of 9000? > > I ask as TDS has not - we have stuck with the Ethernet standard 1500 bytes. If anyone on the exchange has set an MTU of 9000 and tries to send jumbo traffic to us, it will not be accepted and no indication will be sent back to the originator. (10d in the linked document below) > > If no one (or few) has setup their routers for an MTU of 9000, but we as a community wish to enable this, I would recommend that we schedule a flag day so that we can minimize blackholing of traffic across the exchange. > > While only a draft, see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mlevy-ixp-jumboframes-00 for further information on IXP Jumbo Frame operation and conversion. For those that like presentations more than IETF drafts, Martin Levy (of Hurricane Electric at the time) presented this at RIPE 64 - https://ripe64.ripe.net/presentations/139-Hurricane_Electric_-_Martin_Levy_… > > > Best Regards, > > Andy Koch > TDS Telecom - IP Network Operations > andrew.koch(a)tdstelecom.com > Desk: 608-664-4694 > Cell: 608-616-0072 > > > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 25, 2014

Re: UG 13 Minutes

by Doug McIntyre

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 05:34:15PM -0500, Shaun Carlson wrote: > Both of the public MICE lists appear to have broken archives at lists.iphouse.net since May. Is there someone that can take a peek at this? Sure, I'll look into the issue. (Nothing amiss on the system AFAIK, it'll take a deeper view to find). > A final item on the mailing lists - there is a footer appended to every message sent. The footer indicates that unsubscribe is available by clicking on a link, but there is not a functional URL. This footer also breaks any PGP signed messages as it modifies the message part. If possible, can this be removed or fixed and relocated to the message headers? I think it was supposed to generate HTML on an HTML style feed, but this is a text style feed. I've removed it rather than to reword it for text-processing. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

July 24, 2014

Re: UG 13 Minutes

by Shaun Carlson

Marty, To date, our policy has been to not fund the transit requirements and our plan is to maintain that position. We did not vote one way or another as we did not meet quorum requirements. s Shaun CarlsonNetwork Engineering Manager | Arvigph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com Its not entirely clear from the minutes; did the members vote for or against funding googles transit requirement? Best, -M< On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson(a)ARVIG.COM> wrote: > Please see attached, send me any corrections or updates. > > As an important note: > > The next meeting will be on Wednesday, October 22nd from 4pm to 7pm at the 511 Building; please mark your calendars now and plan on being there! > > Thanks and see you all in October! > > s > > Shaun Carlson > Network Engineering Manager | Arvig > ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > <MICE UG 13 - Minutes.pdf> ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2014

Re: UG 13 Minutes

by Shaun Carlson

Thanks Andy, those issues are what prompted this discussion. I'll see that we get them addressed. s Shaun CarlsonNetwork Engineering Manager | Arvigph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com A comment in regards to the mailing lists and meeting notices: I believe that we want to have as many participants as possible. As such, meeting notices, agendas and minutes should always be sent to MICE-ANNOUNCE, which may have folks that don't want the increased volume that -DISCUSS has, but still wish to be participants. None of the meeting emails for this UG appear to have been sent to -ANNOUNCE (at least none were received at the address I had subscribed with). Both of the public MICE lists appear to have broken archives at lists.iphouse.net since May. Is there someone that can take a peek at this? A final item on the mailing lists - there is a footer appended to every message sent. The footer indicates that unsubscribe is available by clicking on a link, but there is not a functional URL. This footer also breaks any PGP signed messages as it modifies the message part. If possible, can this be removed or fixed and relocated to the message headers? Thanks, Andy Koch TDS Telecom - IP Network Operations andrew.koch(a)tdstelecom.com Desk: 608-664-4694 Cell: 608-616-0072 > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Shaun Carlson > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 16:24 > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] UG 13 Minutes > > Please see attached, send me any corrections or updates. > > As an important note: > > The next meeting will be on Wednesday, October 22nd from 4pm to 7pm at the > 511 Building; please mark your calendars now and plan on being there! > > Thanks and see you all in October! > > s > > Shaun Carlson > Network Engineering Manager | Arvig > ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com > > ________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2014

MICE MTU

by Koch, Andrew

The UG 13 minutes make note that the exchange MTU is 9000 bytes. Are other members configuring their routers for an MTU of 9000? I ask as TDS has not - we have stuck with the Ethernet standard 1500 bytes. If anyone on the exchange has set an MTU of 9000 and tries to send jumbo traffic to us, it will not be accepted and no indication will be sent back to the originator. (10d in the linked document below) If no one (or few) has setup their routers for an MTU of 9000, but we as a community wish to enable this, I would recommend that we schedule a flag day so that we can minimize blackholing of traffic across the exchange. While only a draft, see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mlevy-ixp-jumboframes-00 for further information on IXP Jumbo Frame operation and conversion. For those that like presentations more than IETF drafts, Martin Levy (of Hurricane Electric at the time) presented this at RIPE 64 - https://ripe64.ripe.net/presentations/139-Hurricane_Electric_-_Martin_Levy_… Best Regards, Andy Koch TDS Telecom - IP Network Operations andrew.koch(a)tdstelecom.com Desk: 608-664-4694 Cell: 608-616-0072 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2014

Re: UG 13 Minutes

by Reid Fishler

The exchange does not provide transit for anyone. If any exchange member decides to provide service that is of the own volition, but the exchange doesn't provide anything more than exchange services. Reid On Jul 24, 2014 4:31 PM, "Hannigan, Martin" <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > > > Its not entirely clear from the minutes; did the members vote for or > against funding googles transit requirement? > > Best, > > -M< > > > > On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson(a)ARVIG.COM> > wrote: > > > Please see attached, send me any corrections or updates. > > > > As an important note: > > > > The next meeting will be on Wednesday, October 22nd from 4pm to 7pm at > the 511 Building; please mark your calendars now and plan on being there! > > > > Thanks and see you all in October! > > > > s > > > > Shaun Carlson > > Network Engineering Manager | Arvig > > ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > <MICE UG 13 - Minutes.pdf> > > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: ?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 24, 2014