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Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Andrew Hoyos

On Oct 24, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > > We're going to upgrade the core MICE 10G switches coming up this week > on Wednesday night/ Thursday morning at 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT on 27 October. This should probably be sent to MICE-ANNOUNCE as well. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Andrew Hoyos

On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 08:22:46PM -0500, Andrew Hoyos wrote: >> Also, given how big MICE has become and some of the players involved, I’d think we can do better than 3 days advance notice on service affecting work that will take down the the majority of the IX? > > OOTH, if you get out past 7 days you have the problem that people > forget about the window, and are blindsided by it actually happening. > I get more complaints about further out windows than shorter. Hrm, 7-10 days seems to be industry standard for this sort of thing, and in practice, I personally have never had anyone complain about providing *more* advance notice for service affecting work. Calendars and all….. > I would typically aim for 6 days, but didn't want to do it during MEA, > and now Holloween is coming up as well. Given 2.5 solid days (not > weekend), went with a window that fit around my and other's schedule. Understood, and truly appreciate you volunteering to do the work, however, what about the input of the other 60+ members of MICE into this? Unless I've completely missed something, this all seems very unstructured and ad-hoc. Board folks and community - I’d encourage some more discussion here on governance of the technical side of the IX, including how and when changes are scheduled/approved, and perhaps some formalization of a technical committee. I think we’ve reached a point where continuing to do things ad-hoc paints a shaky picture. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Doug McIntyre

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 08:14:17PM -0500, Richard Laager wrote: > On 10/24/2016 01:20 PM, Doug McIntyre wrote: > > We're going to upgrade the core MICE 10G switches > > Has it been MICE practice to block BGP using a L4 ACL before the > maintenance? There hasn't been that many maintenance periods, like 3 events, one was unintended AFAIK. But we could, it wouldn't be too difficult. > Something like this: > https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/wednesday.general-lt.hargrave.ixp… I can implement this 5 minutes before the upgrade. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Doug McIntyre

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 08:22:46PM -0500, Andrew Hoyos wrote: > Also, given how big MICE has become and some of the players involved, I’d think we can do better than 3 days advance notice on service affecting work that will take down the the majority of the IX? OOTH, if you get out past 7 days you have the problem that people forget about the window, and are blindsided by it actually happening. I get more complaints about further out windows than shorter. I would typically aim for 6 days, but didn't want to do it during MEA, and now Holloween is coming up as well. Given 2.5 solid days (not weekend), went with a window that fit around my and other's schedule. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Andrew Hoyos

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > On 10/24/2016 09:56 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: >> So assuming paperwork happens in a timely fashion, donations after the >> filing date would be tax deductible for 2016? Is that the agreed upon >> direction? If so, I would suggest we get some end of year charitable >> giving going on. I would be interested in participating. What do the >> lawyers say about 2016 vs. 2017 status? > > Assuming the IRS accepts our application, I'm not sure how retroactive > it will be. IANAL, but: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/tax-law-compliance-before-exempt-… and https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/contribu… Seems to imply that 2016 contributions would be safe (as long as the MICE legal entity was planning on filing a 990 for 2016 for income/donations received). -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Richard Laager

On 10/24/2016 09:56 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: > So assuming paperwork happens in a timely fashion, donations after the > filing date would be tax deductible for 2016? Is that the agreed upon > direction? If so, I would suggest we get some end of year charitable > giving going on. I would be interested in participating. What do the > lawyers say about 2016 vs. 2017 status? Assuming the IRS accepts our application, I'm not sure how retroactive it will be. -- Richard

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Larry Patterson

So assuming paperwork happens in a timely fashion, donations after the filing date would be tax deductible for 2016? Is that the agreed upon direction? If so, I would suggest we get some end of year charitable giving going on. I would be interested in participating. What do the lawyers say about 2016 vs. 2017 status? Sent from my iPhone Larry Patterson Chief Technology Officer ---- Atomic Data(r) // Safe. Simple. Smart.(tm) 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 Main // 612.466.2000 Direct // 612.466.2080 It's official. We're SOC 3 Certified, again!<http://www.atomicdata.com/articles/atomic-data%C2%AE-keeps-client%E2%80%99s…> > On Oct 24, 2016, at 21:47, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > >> On 10/24/2016 08:54 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: >> Is MICE a non-profit yet or will it be by End of year? > > Not yet, and I can't guarantee it. > > I'm currently waiting on the Minnesota Secretary of State's office to > accept a filing. I expected it to be done last week. I'm doing some > overnight maintenance, so my schedule is off-cycle of normal business > hours. I've emailed them just now to inquire about the status. > > Once that is done, I'll request certified copies, which I expect to take > a few days. Assuming the rest of the board has no objections, I'll sign > and file the IRS form. > > I'm gone for a couple weeks starting next week. So this may get delayed > until I'm back. But worst case, this really should be mailed to the IRS > no later than November 18th. > > -- > Richard

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Richard Laager

On 10/24/2016 08:54 PM, Larry Patterson wrote: > Is MICE a non-profit yet or will it be by End of year? Not yet, and I can't guarantee it. I'm currently waiting on the Minnesota Secretary of State's office to accept a filing. I expected it to be done last week. I'm doing some overnight maintenance, so my schedule is off-cycle of normal business hours. I've emailed them just now to inquire about the status. Once that is done, I'll request certified copies, which I expect to take a few days. Assuming the rest of the board has no objections, I'll sign and file the IRS form. I'm gone for a couple weeks starting next week. So this may get delayed until I'm back. But worst case, this really should be mailed to the IRS no later than November 18th. -- Richard

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE Port Runout

by Larry Patterson

Is MICE a non-profit yet or will it be by End of year? Sent from my iPhone Larry Patterson Chief Technology Officer ---- Atomic Data(r) // Safe. Simple. Smart.(tm) 615 North 3rd Street Minneapolis, MN 55401 Main // 612.466.2000 Direct // 612.466.2080 It's official. We're SOC 3 Certified, again!<http://www.atomicdata.com/articles/atomic-data%C2%AE-keeps-client%E2%80%99s…> > On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:41, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)NEUTRALPATH.NET> wrote: > > We are starting to run low on ports on the main switch. > > If you or your company cares deeply about the quality of internet this > would be a great time to consider a donation of $ or gear. > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net<http://www.neutralpath.net>

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: MICE core switch maintenance window - 10/27/2016 12:30AM-1:00AM CDT

by Andrew Hoyos

On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > > Has it been MICE practice to block BGP using a L4 ACL before the > maintenance? > > Something like this: > https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/wednesday.general-lt.hargrave.ixp… > > I know that in saying this, I'm basically volunteering others to do more > work, but... We move a lot of bits now, and I think it's important we do > what we can to gracefully move the traffic. I was actually in the process of penning a similar note (or suggesting at a minimum, a mass-shutdown of sessions on the route servers pre-work). Would go along way in “doing no harm” as things are rebooting and flapping up/down. Richard - I’d happily help with this in coming up with an ACL that works, and any testing. Also, given how big MICE has become and some of the players involved, I’d think we can do better than 3 days advance notice on service affecting work that will take down the the majority of the IX? Do we have standards there as far as this sort of work goes (and along those lines, peer/tech committee review of work/plan, change approval, etc)? If not, perhaps a topic for next meeting. My $0.02, ymmv... -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com

Oct. 25, 2016