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Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Anthony Anderberg

Ah yes, the “congratulations you qualify to spend your money to make our life easier” emails… know them well. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Ben Wiechman <0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<http://arvig.com> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com<mailto:coreyhauer@gmail.com>> wrote: I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions. It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum. Corey On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg <AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@nuvera.net>> wrote: Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already done so. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM<mailto:jlumby@MNVOIP.COM>> Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX They did it to MICE back in December From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here? -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net><mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net> To: members(a)seattleix.net<mailto:members@seattleix.net> FYI from Google... Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com><mailto:peering-ops@google.com> To: info(a)seattleix.net<mailto:info@seattleix.net> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Dear Internet Exchange, As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks. We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so. Sincerely, Google Network Operations ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 4, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Ben Wiechman

They want some of us to pay for our own transport to Chicago. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:40 PM Corey Hauer <coreyhauer(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. > Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions. > > It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes > near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that > missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding > their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum. > > Corey > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg < > AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net> wrote: > >> Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to >> create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already >> done so. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of >> Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> >> *Reply-To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >> *Date: *Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM >> *To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> >> *Subject: *Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for >> Route-Servers in your IX >> >> >> >> They did it to MICE back in December >> >> >> >> *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Richard >> Laager >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM >> *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET >> *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for >> Route-Servers in your IX >> >> >> >> I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same >> thing here? >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> >> *Subject: * >> >> Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) >> >> *Date: * >> >> Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) >> >> *From: * >> >> Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> >> >> *To: * >> >> members(a)seattleix.net >> >> >> >> FYI from Google... >> >> Chris >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 >> From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com> >> <peering-ops(a)google.com> >> To: info(a)seattleix.net >> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX >> >> Dear Internet Exchange, >> >> As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase >> routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix >> information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with >> the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the >> change in your IX in the next few weeks. >> >> We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral >> sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that >> rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session >> request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering >> >> We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these >> future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they >> desire to do so. >> >> Sincerely, >> Google Network Operations >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

April 4, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Corey Hauer

I am glad this got re-raised for visibility. I apparently missed it. Thanks for the link to establish bilateral sessions. It's hard to contemplate how Google still keeps their MICE pipes near-maxed 90% of the time, knowing that we can't be the only one that missed this change. I am sure Google has their reasons for not expanding their MICE capacity, although it seems strange to me in a vacuum. Corey On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:42 PM Anthony Anderberg < AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net> wrote: > Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to > create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already > done so. > > > > > > *From: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jeremy > Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> > *Reply-To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > *Date: *Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM > *To: *MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > *Subject: *Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for > Route-Servers in your IX > > > > They did it to MICE back in December > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Richard > Laager > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers > in your IX > > > > I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same > thing here? > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > *Subject: * > > Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) > > *Date: * > > Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) > > *From: * > > Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> > > *To: * > > members(a)seattleix.net > > > > FYI from Google... > > Chris > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 > From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com> > <peering-ops(a)google.com> > To: info(a)seattleix.net > Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX > > Dear Internet Exchange, > > As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase > routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix > information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with > the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the > change in your IX in the next few weeks. > > We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral > sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that > rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session > request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering > > We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these > future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they > desire to do so. > > Sincerely, > Google Network Operations > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

April 3, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Anthony Anderberg

Yes, in last fall’s meeting we reminded everyone that they needed to create bilateral sessions with Google right away if they hadn’t already done so. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> Reply-To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX They did it to MICE back in December From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here? -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net><mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net> To: members(a)seattleix.net<mailto:members@seattleix.net> FYI from Google... Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com><mailto:peering-ops@google.com> To: info(a)seattleix.net<mailto:info@seattleix.net> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Dear Internet Exchange, As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks. We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so. Sincerely, Google Network Operations ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 3, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Jeremy Lumby

They did it to MICE back in December From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 2:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here? -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Chris Caputo <mailto:ccaputo@seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> To: members(a)seattleix.net <mailto:members@seattleix.net> FYI from Google... Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 From: Google Peering Operations <mailto:peering-ops@google.com> <peering-ops(a)google.com> To: info(a)seattleix.net <mailto:info@seattleix.net> Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Dear Internet Exchange, As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks. We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so. Sincerely, Google Network Operations _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1

April 3, 2024

Re: Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Reid Fishler

I believe its internet-wide. Reid On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 3:32 PM Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same > thing here? > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> > To: members(a)seattleix.net > > FYI from Google... > > Chris > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 > From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com> > <peering-ops(a)google.com> > To: info(a)seattleix.net > Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX > > Dear Internet Exchange, > > As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase > routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix > information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with > the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the > change in your IX in the next few weeks. > > We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral > sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that > rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session > request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering > > We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these > future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they > desire to do so. > > Sincerely, > Google Network Operations > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Senior Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

April 3, 2024

Fwd: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX

by Richard Laager

I haven't heard this for MICE, but presumably they will be doing the same thing here? -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Google - Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Chris Caputo <ccaputo(a)seattleix.net> To: members(a)seattleix.net FYI from Google... Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 04:21:02 -0700 From: Google Peering Operations <peering-ops(a)google.com> To: info(a)seattleix.net Subject: Drain of routes for Route-Servers in your IX Dear Internet Exchange, As part of Google's effort to simplify peering operations and increase routing security we have decided to stop advertising and receiving prefix information from Route-Servers in Internet Exchanges. The BGP session with the route servers will remain established. We are planning to implement the change in your IX in the next few weeks. We won’t disconnect from the IX and we will keep current BGP bilateral sessions with individual peers on the IX. We invite other networks that rely on Route-Servers to request a bilateral session. Bilateral session request can be done at: https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering We kindly request you to inform peers in your Internet Exchange of these future changes so they can request bilateral sessions with us if they desire to do so. Sincerely, Google Network Operations

April 3, 2024