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Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

On 2023-06-14 00:01, Richard Laager wrote: > > I am on track to make this enforcing tomorrow. > I am still answering last minute queries from people. I expect this will be another hour or so. -- Richard

June 14, 2023

Re: RPKI ROAs

by Chris Wopat

On 6/14/23 01:14, Richard Laager wrote: > > In the ARIN web UI, it looks like a ROA can have multiple prefixes. For > an end network such as myself (Wiktel hat on), what is the best > practice... one ROA per prefix, or list multiple prefixes in the same ROA? As August noted it's an exercise of the user. One note on this - you may not MODIFY an ROA (from what I can tell), so if you publish a single ROA with multiple prefixes and need to change something, you have to delete and recreate the entire thing. We've been doing 1:1 ROA:Prefix for this reason (for now, and we're not fully covered) Related to this, is there intent to join the IXP section of MANRS once we're in good shape with some of this IRR filtering? I believe that would be the final 'Action' (action 1). https://www.manrs.org/ixps/actions/ https://www.manrs.org/ixps/participants/ -- Chris Wopat Network Engineer, WiscNet wopat(a)wiscnet.net 608-210-3965

June 14, 2023

Re: RPKI ROAs

by David Farmer

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 01:14 Richard Laager <rlaager(a)wiktel.com> wrote: > As far as I can see, there's no explicit way to say "do not announce" in > a ROA. But listing something with an origin AS of "0" seems to be a > thing that is done for at least one deliberately invalid ROA > (CloudFlare's 103.21.244.0/23). So, if I were to create a ROA for MICE, > would that be an Origin AS of 53679 or 0? An AS 0 ROA is an explicit statement that a prefix is not to be routed, see section 4 of RFC 6483; https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6483#section-4 To the question, should we issue an AS 0 ROA for the MICE prefix? Well, there isn’t a strong consensus on that within IX Community. See the following APNIC Blog post; https://blog.apnic.net/2023/03/24/rpki-roa-for-ip-resources-in-the-ix-segme… So I think we should hold off publishing one just yet, but I suspect we will eventually want to publish an AS 0 ROA for the MICE prefix. Thanks > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

June 14, 2023

Re: RPKI ROAs

by August Yang

RFC6482 doesn't explicitly specify whether to have one ROA per prefix or vice versa. In a delegated setup, Krill aggregates ROAs whenever possible, so it's left up to your preference. https://console.rpki.co/rpki.co/repo/AS945/1/AS50058.roa.html When it comes to MICE, it's recommended to publish a ROA covering the peering LAN. This not only secures against prefix hijacking but also prevents any accidental leaking, which has happened to NL-IX for example. Per RFC6907, an AS 0 ROA serves as an attestation by a prefix holder that the prefix described in the ROA, along with any more specific prefixes, should not be used in a routing context. AS0 is better in that one can simply prepend AS53679 to deliberately hijack the prefix, which could be prevented by ASPA but that's another story, and A BGP speaker MUST NOT originate or propagate a route with an AS number of zero (RFC7606). > From: nlixannounce(a)simplelists.com <nlixannounce(a)simplelists.com> on behalf of NL-ix Support <support(a)nl-ix.net> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 3:48 AM > To: Support-NLix <support(a)nl-ix.net> > Subject: [NL-ix Announce] Recent incidents in peering VLAN > Dear members, > We have recently experienced some unfortunate events on our peering VLAN due to the announcement of a more-specific prefix that is part of our /22 subnet. One of our members accidentally announced 193.239.117.0/24 to one of their upstreams, propagating this prefix to the rest of the internet. Although one would expect this prefix to be dropped early on due to IRR validation failing, it was instead widely propagated. On 2023-06-14 2:14 a.m., Richard Laager wrote: > In the ARIN web UI, it looks like a ROA can have multiple prefixes. > For an end network such as myself (Wiktel hat on), what is the best > practice... one ROA per prefix, or list multiple prefixes in the same > ROA? > > With my MICE hat on, should MICE publish a ROA for the peering network > space? The theoretical advantage would be some amount of hijacking > protection. Though since it's not supposed to be announced, it > probably doesn't matter much either way? > > As far as I can see, there's no explicit way to say "do not announce" > in a ROA. But listing something with an origin AS of "0" seems to be a > thing that is done for at least one deliberately invalid ROA > (CloudFlare's 103.21.244.0/23). So, if I were to create a ROA for > MICE, would that be an Origin AS of 53679 or 0? > -- Best regards August Yang

June 14, 2023

RPKI ROAs

by Richard Laager

In the ARIN web UI, it looks like a ROA can have multiple prefixes. For an end network such as myself (Wiktel hat on), what is the best practice... one ROA per prefix, or list multiple prefixes in the same ROA? With my MICE hat on, should MICE publish a ROA for the peering network space? The theoretical advantage would be some amount of hijacking protection. Though since it's not supposed to be announced, it probably doesn't matter much either way? As far as I can see, there's no explicit way to say "do not announce" in a ROA. But listing something with an origin AS of "0" seems to be a thing that is done for at least one deliberately invalid ROA (CloudFlare's 103.21.244.0/23). So, if I were to create a ROA for MICE, would that be an Origin AS of 53679 or 0? -- Richard

June 14, 2023

Re: IRR Mandatory at MICE / New Route Servers

by Richard Laager

On 2023-06-07 12:37, Richard Laager wrote: > > It turns out I made an error in the IRR prefix enforcement. So while > we were enforcing the as-set requirement as intended, we were /not/ > enforcing the route object requirement on rs2. Accordingly, I did > /not/ make that enforcing on rs1 today as scheduled. Instead, I > corrected it on rs2 and will wait another week before making it > enforced on rs1. > > I have separately emailed everyone who has prefixes being filtered. > From my perspective, I am on track to make this enforcing tomorrow. I have again emailed everyone who has prefixes being filtered. For the last two emails, I added the ARIN WHOIS contacts for the originating ASes (and for one email, the ARIN WHOIS contacts for the IP space involved). I've had a number of email and phone conversations with people. The list has definitely gotten much better. I have begrudgingly made exceptions for two networks. They have ARIN issues to sort out. (Yes, I am aware they could use some other registry and have mentioned that.) These exceptions will be time limited. These exceptions allow specifically the prefixes they are currently announcing that are being rejected. So these exceptions will not defeat IRR security in general (unlike just turning it off for them entirely). These exceptions will be on rs1 only, which will allow them/me to use the looking glass to rs2 to know if things are fixed. As a consequence, their routes will still be filtered when rs1 is down, e.g. for patching. They have been so informed. -- Richard

June 14, 2023

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Frank Bulk

I’m under NDA, but the February webinar was not restricted to their existing partners. In that webinar they indicated additional content was coming at the end of Q1. The NCTC sent a letter a few weeks ago that those who are part of NCTC’s program should have received. Qwilt is a MICE member and I look forward to receiving more content. =) Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 8:35 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Amazon was only serving Thursday Night Football out of the caches. Your traffic is consistent with the football season. Looks like a little bump there in April, which is curious. Our traffic is similar. You can see the NFL season up to Jan, then relatively little. It is possible that one CDN was launched in April. I should ask. Looks like there has been some amount of activity since around 4/1. [cid:image001.png@01D99E35.271ABFA0] Qwilt had a lot of promises about new content moving through the cache beginning in 1H2023 here. NCTC had a good joint webinar on Feb 7th, for anyone that is a member. I can't find a link back to it. They presented a summary of the performance from the 2022 NFL season, as well as plans for 2023. They didn't state it explicitly, but it didn't seem like they were getting any traction in hosting any content other than TNF from Amazon. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/7f2b178f/1ZuwJz42b0_NlW9cx7EkKA?u=http://arvig…> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:21 AM Larry Larsen <000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: I have not seen much usage. Here is my peak bandwidth usage on Qwilt for that month. All amounts are in Gbps. Oct-22 Nov-22 Dec-22 Jan-23 Feb-23 Mar-23 Apr-23 May-23 Amazon1 4.45 4.01 4.06 0.101 0.979 0.995 0.07 0.03 Amazon2 3.58 1.44 1.93 0.029 0.035 0.267 1.67 0.641 As you can see, I had some good usage from October – December but after that not much. April had a little usage. Thanks! Larry L. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Some people who received this message don't often get email from 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>. Learn why this is important<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/0f4a9629/Roa4CaCjskyieHEVX7BgDA?u=https://aka.…> WARNING!! This message originated from an External Source. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep claiming more content is coming. Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/7f2b178f/1ZuwJz42b0_NlW9cx7EkKA?u=http://arvig…> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night Football. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@USINTERNET.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so far. To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching market, they do not carry only Amazon content. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ryan Malek Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) ________________________________ Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services Ph. 641.420.7180 On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an “open” CDN: https://link.edgepilot.com/s/188fed83/kSt--kULDUiOMeuW1EQy_Q?u=https://www.…<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/9d57f0b0/LWiUplIDzEi9j-EIioO0LA?u=https://url-…> There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, ports, and time). Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET><mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content. We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://link.edgepilot.com/s/d1ff7d9b/nHsaPn7VEkOM1Y2TlRuquw?u=https://aws.… This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM<mailto:stevesavoy@WCTATEL.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Thanks Jeremy! I'll give it another try. Steve -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Steve, Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer(a)amazon.com<mailto:peering-amer@amazon.com> if you have not already. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 Steve From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies. The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Has anyone else gotten an email like this? On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... Thanks in advance, Anthony On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com<mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com>> wrote: Hi David and Anthony, I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative. To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team? If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. 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June 14, 2023

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Justin Krejci

We don't get much other traffic through Qwilt currently. I logged into their portal and there was some other local broadcast TV type traffic served as well like NBC live and CBS live which is nice but not a particularly significant amount of data volume. It has been a bit underwhelming overall, aside from the football episodes they serve. I see "Disney Plus" is showing up in my Qwilt dashboard now with very small volume, so maybe there will be some sizable content from that service coming soon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Ben Wiechman <0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 8:34 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Amazon was only serving Thursday Night Football out of the caches. Your traffic is consistent with the football season. Looks like a little bump there in April, which is curious. Our traffic is similar. You can see the NFL season up to Jan, then relatively little. It is possible that one CDN was launched in April. I should ask. Looks like there has been some amount of activity since around 4/1. [image.png] Qwilt had a lot of promises about new content moving through the cache beginning in 1H2023 here. NCTC had a good joint webinar on Feb 7th, for anyone that is a member. I can't find a link back to it. They presented a summary of the performance from the 2022 NFL season, as well as plans for 2023. They didn't state it explicitly, but it didn't seem like they were getting any traction in hosting any content other than TNF from Amazon. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com<http://arvig.com> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:21 AM Larry Larsen < 000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>> wrote: I have not seen much usage. Here is my peak bandwidth usage on Qwilt for that month. All amounts are in Gbps. Oct-22 Nov-22 Dec-22 Jan-23 Feb-23 Mar-23 Apr-23 May-23 Amazon1 4.45 4.01 4.06 0.101 0.979 0.995 0.07 0.03 Amazon2 3.58 1.44 1.93 0.029 0.035 0.267 1.67 0.641 As you can see, I had some good usage from October – December but after that not much. April had a little usage. Thanks! Larry L. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Some people who received this message don't often get email from 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>. Learn why this is important<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=168666…> WARNING!! This message originated from an External Source. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep claiming more content is coming. Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com<http://arvig.com> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night Football. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@USINTERNET.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so far. To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching market, they do not carry only Amazon content. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ryan Malek Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) ________________________________ Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services Ph. 641.420.7180 On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an “open” CDN: https://www.qwilt.com/nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nct…<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, ports, and time). Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET><mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content. We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM<mailto:stevesavoy@WCTATEL.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Thanks Jeremy! I'll give it another try. Steve -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Steve, Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer(a)amazon.com<mailto:peering-amer@amazon.com> if you have not already. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 Steve From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies. The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Has anyone else gotten an email like this? On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... Thanks in advance, Anthony On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com<mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com>> wrote: Hi David and Anthony, I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative. To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team? If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. 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June 13, 2023

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Ben Wiechman

Amazon was only serving Thursday Night Football out of the caches. Your traffic is consistent with the football season. Looks like a little bump there in April, which is curious. Our traffic is similar. You can see the NFL season up to Jan, then relatively little. It is possible that one CDN was launched in April. I should ask. Looks like there has been some amount of activity since around 4/1. [image: image.png] Qwilt had a lot of promises about new content moving through the cache beginning in 1H2023 here. NCTC had a good joint webinar on Feb 7th, for anyone that is a member. I can't find a link back to it. They presented a summary of the performance from the 2022 NFL season, as well as plans for 2023. They didn't state it explicitly, but it didn't seem like they were getting any traction in hosting any content other than TNF from Amazon. Ben Wiechman Director of Network Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 7:21 AM Larry Larsen < 000000186bf54e79-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net> wrote: > I have not seen much usage. Here is my peak bandwidth usage on Qwilt > for that month. All amounts are in Gbps. > > > > Oct-22 > > Nov-22 > > Dec-22 > > Jan-23 > > Feb-23 > > Mar-23 > > Apr-23 > > May-23 > > Amazon1 > > 4.45 > > 4.01 > > 4.06 > > 0.101 > > 0.979 > > 0.995 > > 0.07 > > 0.03 > > Amazon2 > > 3.58 > > 1.44 > > 1.93 > > 0.029 > > 0.035 > > 0.267 > > 1.67 > > 0.641 > > > > As you can see, I had some good usage from October – December but after > that not much. April had a little usage. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Larry L. > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> * On Behalf Of *Ben > Wiechman > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:12 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Some people who received this message don't often get email from > 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net. Learn why this is > important <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> > > WARNING!! This message originated from an *External Source*. Please use > proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or > responding to this email. > > Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep > claiming more content is coming. > > > Ben Wiechman > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering > Direct: 320.256.0184 > Cell: 320.247.3224 > ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com > > > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: > > I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and > thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed > on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst > of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night > Football. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Justin > Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC > member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank > suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out > to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you > given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are > decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment > for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so > far. > > > > To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching > market, they do not carry only Amazon content. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Frank > Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to > Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Ryan > Malek > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is > this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) > > TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) > > > ------------------------------ > > Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC > Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services > > Ph. 641.420.7180 > > On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: > > If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and > IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an > “open” CDN: > https://www.qwilt.com/nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nct… > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, > ports, and time). > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Justin Krejci > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity > with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL > streaming content. > > > > We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) > and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix > Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot > of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue > adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Steve > Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > Thanks Jeremy! > > I'll give it another try. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jeremy > Lumby > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > Steve, > > Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when > they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently > moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to > peering-amer(a)amazon.com if you have not already. > > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S #216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > M: 612-355-7740 > D: 612-392-6814 > F: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. > > Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 > > Steve > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Dean > Bahls > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several > Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading > Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by > multiple companies. > > The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared > for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. > > Dean > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of > AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime > Video - Network Questionnaire > > Has anyone else gotten an email like this? > > On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk > about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... > > Thanks in advance, > Anthony > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com> > wrote: > Hi David and Anthony, > > I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been > contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in > preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night > Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. > The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about > their network planning initiative. > > To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is > asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network > point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit > provider(s), etc. > > Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to > respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right > person within your network operations team? > > If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me > know if you would like to set up a call with me. > > Thank you so much for your cooperation. > > > Nataliya Coll > Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia > TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. > One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 > Washington, DC 20005 USA > www.telegeography.com > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > +1 (202) 741-0066 > > ________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > > ________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> > Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago > Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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June 13, 2023

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Larry Larsen

I have not seen much usage. Here is my peak bandwidth usage on Qwilt for that month. All amounts are in Gbps. Oct-22 Nov-22 Dec-22 Jan-23 Feb-23 Mar-23 Apr-23 May-23 Amazon1 4.45 4.01 4.06 0.101 0.979 0.995 0.07 0.03 Amazon2 3.58 1.44 1.93 0.029 0.035 0.267 1.67 0.641 As you can see, I had some good usage from October – December but after that not much. April had a little usage. Thanks! Larry L. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:12 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Some people who received this message don't often get email from 0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request(a)lists.iphouse.net<mailto:0000001a026a3d65-dmarc-request@lists.iphouse.net>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> WARNING!! This message originated from an External Source. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email. Have you seen them serve any other content from your cache yet. They keep claiming more content is coming. Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering Direct: 320.256.0184 Cell: 320.247.3224 ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com<mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> 150 Second Street SW | Perham, MN 56573 | arvig.com<http://arvig.com> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 16:08 Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)usinternet.com<mailto:JKrejci@usinternet.com>> wrote: I stumbled across this thread again while looking for something else and thought I'd add a small update that we did get our Qwilt server deployed on-net for us a while back and it did indeed serve a relatively large burst of traffic volume during the live streaming episodes of Thursday Night Football. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Justin Krejci <JKrejci(a)USINTERNET.COM<mailto:JKrejci@USINTERNET.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:08 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I believe it is just simpler for everyone involved when you are an NCTC member but I don't think it is a requirement necessarily. As Frank suggests, if you're interested in their services you should just reach out to them directly and they can tell you what they can and will do for you given your network and usage numbers. In my experience so far Qwilt are decent folks: I am still working through their process to get a deployment for our network and they have been competent and reasonable to work with so far. To contrast the email subject, because they are in the open caching market, they do not carry only Amazon content. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:09 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I don’t know if it’s exclusive to the NCTC or not – you could reach out to Qwilt and just ask them what options they have for you. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Ryan Malek Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 11:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Is this offering going to be available to non NCTC members at a cost? (Is this maybe part of Qwilts default offering? ) TLDR: Is the Qwilt platform worth it outside of being an NCTC Member? :) ________________________________ Ryan Malek - Router12 Networks LLC Internet, Phone, and Hosted Services Ph. 641.420.7180 On 2/16/2022 11:08 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: If you’re an NCTC member there’s an opportunity to avoid transit costs and IX bandwidth concerns by serving the traffic from your own network using an “open” CDN: https://www.qwilt.com/nctc-and-qwilt-launch-joint-initiative-to-upgrade-nct…<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> There’s no cost to NCTC members (just your own rack space, power, cooling, ports, and time). Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET><mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 10:56 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content. We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM<mailto:stevesavoy@WCTATEL.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Thanks Jeremy! I'll give it another try. Steve -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Steve, Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer(a)amazon.com<mailto:peering-amer@amazon.com> if you have not already. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 Steve From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies. The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Has anyone else gotten an email like this? On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... Thanks in advance, Anthony On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com<mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com>> wrote: Hi David and Anthony, I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative. To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team? If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. Nataliya Coll Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 Washington, DC 20005 USA www.telegeography.com<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> +1 (202) 741-0066 ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=164503…> Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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