January 2022 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: Problems Reaching 206.108.255.164

by Jeremy Lumby

Can you traceroute to the next hop past it? I can ping 206.108.255.164 however one thing to keep in mind is that the MICE subnet is not publically routed so to successfully ping 206.108.255.164 you will need to be logged into your MICE connected router so that it uses your MICE interface IP as the source address. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Joshua Eckert Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 2:32 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Problems Reaching 206.108.255.164 We are having problems reaching 206.108.255.164. We found out this afternoon after a customer stated they were having problems reaching their company's server that has an IP in a subnet that looks like it is using that this IP as its next hop. B 199.201.120.0/24 [20/0] via 206.108.255.164, 20:24:51 Has anyone else had problems reaching this 206.108.255.164? I fairly new here, so I don't know if this is the right place to put these questions, if not please let me know. Thanks! Joshua Eckert | Systems Administrator CL Tel | 107 N 4th St. | Clear Lake, IA 50428 P: 641-357-2111 | F: 641-357-8800 www.cltel.com | www.facebook.com/cltel CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of Clear Lake Independent Telephone Company and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which this e-mail is addressed. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you are not the named recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message immediately from your computer. ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 28, 2022

Re: Problems Reaching 206.108.255.164

by Richard Laager

That IP is IP Pathways. They just moved from one SouthFront Networks remote switch to the other. So maybe that's related. On 1/28/22 14:32, Joshua Eckert wrote: > > We are having problems reaching 206.108.255.164. We found out this > afternoon after a customer stated they were having problems reaching > their company’s server that has an IP in a subnet that looks like it > is using that this IP as its next hop. > > B 199.201.120.0/24 [20/0] via 206.108.255.164, 20:24:51 > > Has anyone else had problems reaching this 206.108.255.164? I fairly > new here, so I don’t know if this is the right place to put these > questions, if not please let me know. > > Thanks! > > *Joshua Eckert*| Systems Administrator > > CL Tel | 107 N 4^th St. | Clear Lake, IA 50428 > > P: 641-357-2111 | F: 641-357-8800 > > www.cltel.com <http://www.cltel.com> | www.facebook.com/cltel > <http://www.facebook.com/cltel> > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it > are the property of Clear Lake Independent Telephone Company and/or > its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use > of the individual or entity to which this e-mail is addressed. Please > do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to > any other person. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or > comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official > view of the company. If you are not the named recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message immediately > from your computer. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> > -- Richard

Jan. 28, 2022

Problems Reaching 206.108.255.164

by Joshua Eckert

We are having problems reaching 206.108.255.164. We found out this afternoon after a customer stated they were having problems reaching their company's server that has an IP in a subnet that looks like it is using that this IP as its next hop. B 199.201.120.0/24 [20/0] via 206.108.255.164, 20:24:51 Has anyone else had problems reaching this 206.108.255.164? I fairly new here, so I don't know if this is the right place to put these questions, if not please let me know. Thanks! [cid:image001.png@01D81453.D1E9A120] Joshua Eckert | Systems Administrator CL Tel | 107 N 4th St. | Clear Lake, IA 50428 P: 641-357-2111 | F: 641-357-8800 www.cltel.com<http://www.cltel.com> | www.facebook.com/cltel<http://www.facebook.com/cltel> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of Clear Lake Independent Telephone Company and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which this e-mail is addressed. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you are not the named recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message immediately from your computer.

Jan. 28, 2022

IP Pathways Port Move

by Jay Hanke

IP Pathways has moved from SFN Remote Ethernet 8 to SFN 100G Remote Ethernet7/2 -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

Jan. 27, 2022

MPW Port Move

by Jay Hanke

MPW has been moved from SFN Remote Ethernet12 to SFN 100G Remote Ethernet6/1 -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke(a)southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000

Jan. 27, 2022

Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Ben Wiechman

It is always good to have the goal to "suck less". lol Ben Wiechman Director of IP Strategy and Engineering 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:15 PM Miles McCredie <Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com> wrote: > FWIW, I reached out to a contact with Amazon Prime about the TeleGeography > survey and got the following response: > > ===== > Thanks for letting me know about the MICE-DISCUSS discussion of Thursday > Night Football. Yes, Prime Video has contracted TeleGeography to survey a > group of ISPs including some MICE participants. Prime Video is working > with AWS and a number of CDN partners to acquire edge capacity for Thursday > Night Football. We are trying to understand from the ISP perspective how > those CDNs deliver traffic to ISP customers in an effort to serve traffic > as efficiently as possible and ensure a quality customer experience. Any > ISP that want to validate a contact from TeleGeograpy or any other contact > related to Prime Video can reach us via the alias > primevideo-isp-us(a)amazon.com. This survey only covers a subset of US > ASNs, so networks that were not surveyed should feel free to reach out to > us and we can provide additional information regarding our plans for > Thursday Night Football. > ==== > > I don't have any visibility into who reads the > primevideo-isp-us(a)amazon.com alias so no idea whether it is a useful path > for following up on peering or not. My guess is that the regional alias > listed in peeringDB, peering-amer(a)amazon.com is the best route. I have > been told by a couple folks reasonably close to the peering team at Amazon > that they realize that they have sucked at communication and hope to suck > less based on comments from 3 individuals over the last 9 months or so. > > HTH > > > > Miles McCredie > Network Engineer - Architect > Office: 6052755192 > Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com > Midco.com > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Michael > Hare > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:31 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from > Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MIDCO. > Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and > know the content is safe. > > Sorry Ben, I had read the msg as text not HTML. I see the table now, > thanks. > > -Michael > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben > > Wiechman > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:26 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > I shot over what was provided through the survey/questions. If anyone > > has additional or more detailed information I'd be interested in it as > well. > > > > > > > > Ben Wiechman > > > > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering > > > > > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farvi > > g.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7CMiles.McCredie%40MIDCO.COM%7C279a3332ccc84 > > 1571e7808d9da977f97%7Cf70525877c584eacaec96b5a66be0433%7C1%7C1%7C63778 > > 1166503630905%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2lu > > MzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=64d7RIbI4vG%2FjCKS > > E6YCIEDT2lrfV4HMDTwV%2BBORNL0%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:17 AM Michael Hare <000000097dab80c5-dmarc- > > request(a)lists.iphouse.net <mailto:000000097dab80c5-dmarc- > > request(a)lists.iphouse.net> > wrote: > > > > > > Anyone willing to share which CDNs either publicly or privately? > > AS3128 peers with 16509 bilateral over MICE and we haven't seen the > below. > > We are eyeballs but are R&E. I'd like to make sure my ducks are in a > row. > > > > -Michael > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Ben > > > Wiechman > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:05 AM > > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from > > Amazon > > > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > > > They didn't indicate that this was confidential, nor do we > > have an NDA, so... > > > > > > This is a snippet of the information. > > > > > > CDN Partners > > > 32 Prime Video uses multiple CDN partners to deliver our live > > content. We > > > deploy a predetermined configuration giving weights to > > > 33 each of the CDNs based on their reported capacity, but the > > actual live > > > streams delivery is determined by performance. We work > > > 34 with our ISP partners to validate the available capacity so > > that we do not > > > create undue stress on the ISP network during peak > > > 35 events. The use of multiple CDNs with flexible weights > > provides us the > > > ability to dynamically shift traffic in case of performance > > > 36 degradation, or outages within a single CDN. > > > 37 The table below summarizes the CDN partners we plan to use > > (subject to > > > adjustment), and the function and protocol supported > > > 38 by each CDN. The actual traffic load on each CDN partner is > > based on their > > > performance and available capacity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Wiechman > > > > > > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering > > > > > > > > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > > > > > > > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > > < > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farvig.com%… > > > > > < > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farvig.com%… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:00 AM Steve Savoy > > <stevesavoy(a)wctatel.com <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com> > > > <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… > 😉 > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > On Behalf Of Dean Bahls > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM > > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> <mailto:MICE- <mailto:MICE-> > > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > <mailto:DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football > from > > > Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > > > > > > > > > While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve > gotten > > > several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced > > by Light > > > Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research > > firm contracted > > > by multiple companies. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE > needs to > > be > > > prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > On Behalf Of > > > AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET > > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> > > > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET > > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM > > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> <mailto:MICE- <mailto:MICE-> > > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > <mailto:DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > > > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from > > Amazon > > > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else gotten an email like this? > > > > > > > > > > > > On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the > opportunity > > to talk > > > about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such > info... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll > > > <ncoll(a)telegeography.com <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com> > > <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi David and Anthony, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography > in > > > Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video > > (APV) to > > > survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime > > Video’s exclusive > > > presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting > > with the > > 2022 NFL > > > season. > > > > > > The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video > > > provides more detail about their network planning initiative. > > > > > > > > > To help avoid congestion on your network > during > > > upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they > > may better > > > understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage > > area, CDN > > > provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you the correct contact person within > your > > > network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, > > can you > > > please direct me to the right person within your network > > operations team? > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any questions, feel free to > contact me via > > > email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for your cooperation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nataliya Coll > > > Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia > > > TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, > Inc. > > > One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 > > > Washington, DC 20005 USA > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telege… > > < > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telege… > > > > > < > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telege… > > > > > +1 (202) 741-0066 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the > following > > link: > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.ipho… > > DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the > following > > link: > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.ipho… > > DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the > property of > > > Winnebago Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole > > use of the > > > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > > > information. 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Jan. 21, 2022

Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Miles McCredie

FWIW, I reached out to a contact with Amazon Prime about the TeleGeography survey and got the following response: ===== Thanks for letting me know about the MICE-DISCUSS discussion of Thursday Night Football. Yes, Prime Video has contracted TeleGeography to survey a group of ISPs including some MICE participants. Prime Video is working with AWS and a number of CDN partners to acquire edge capacity for Thursday Night Football. We are trying to understand from the ISP perspective how those CDNs deliver traffic to ISP customers in an effort to serve traffic as efficiently as possible and ensure a quality customer experience. Any ISP that want to validate a contact from TeleGeograpy or any other contact related to Prime Video can reach us via the alias primevideo-isp-us(a)amazon.com. This survey only covers a subset of US ASNs, so networks that were not surveyed should feel free to reach out to us and we can provide additional information regarding our plans for Thursday Night Football. ==== I don't have any visibility into who reads the primevideo-isp-us(a)amazon.com alias so no idea whether it is a useful path for following up on peering or not. My guess is that the regional alias listed in peeringDB, peering-amer(a)amazon.com is the best route. I have been told by a couple folks reasonably close to the peering team at Amazon that they realize that they have sucked at communication and hope to suck less based on comments from 3 individuals over the last 9 months or so. HTH Miles McCredie Network Engineer - Architect Office: 6052755192 Miles.McCredie(a)midco.com Midco.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Michael Hare Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:31 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MIDCO. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Sorry Ben, I had read the msg as text not HTML. I see the table now, thanks. -Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben > Wiechman > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:26 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > I shot over what was provided through the survey/questions. If anyone > has additional or more detailed information I'd be interested in it as well. > > > > Ben Wiechman > > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering > > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farvi > g.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7CMiles.McCredie%40MIDCO.COM%7C279a3332ccc84 > 1571e7808d9da977f97%7Cf70525877c584eacaec96b5a66be0433%7C1%7C1%7C63778 > 1166503630905%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2lu > MzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=64d7RIbI4vG%2FjCKS > E6YCIEDT2lrfV4HMDTwV%2BBORNL0%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:17 AM Michael Hare <000000097dab80c5-dmarc- > request(a)lists.iphouse.net <mailto:000000097dab80c5-dmarc- > request(a)lists.iphouse.net> > wrote: > > > Anyone willing to share which CDNs either publicly or privately? > AS3128 peers with 16509 bilateral over MICE and we haven't seen the below. > We are eyeballs but are R&E. I'd like to make sure my ducks are in a row. > > -Michael > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Ben > > Wiechman > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:05 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from > Amazon > > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > They didn't indicate that this was confidential, nor do we > have an NDA, so... > > > > This is a snippet of the information. > > > > CDN Partners > > 32 Prime Video uses multiple CDN partners to deliver our live > content. We > > deploy a predetermined configuration giving weights to > > 33 each of the CDNs based on their reported capacity, but the > actual live > > streams delivery is determined by performance. We work > > 34 with our ISP partners to validate the available capacity so > that we do not > > create undue stress on the ISP network during peak > > 35 events. The use of multiple CDNs with flexible weights > provides us the > > ability to dynamically shift traffic in case of performance > > 36 degradation, or outages within a single CDN. > > 37 The table below summarizes the CDN partners we plan to use > (subject to > > adjustment), and the function and protocol supported > > 38 by each CDN. The actual traffic load on each CDN partner is > based on their > > performance and available capacity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Wiechman > > > > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering > > > > > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > > > > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farvig.com%…> > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farvig.com%…> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:00 AM Steve Savoy > <stevesavoy(a)wctatel.com <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com> > > <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. > > > > > > > > Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > On Behalf Of Dean Bahls > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> <mailto:MICE- <mailto:MICE-> > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from > > Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > > > > > While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten > > several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced > by Light > > Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research > firm contracted > > by multiple companies. > > > > > > > > The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to > be > > prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. > > > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > On Behalf Of > > AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> > > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> <mailto:MICE- <mailto:MICE-> > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from > Amazon > > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > > > > > Has anyone else gotten an email like this? > > > > > > > > On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity > to talk > > about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll > > <ncoll(a)telegeography.com <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com> > <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi David and Anthony, > > > > > > > > I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in > > Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video > (APV) to > > survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime > Video’s exclusive > > presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting > with the > 2022 NFL > > season. > > > > The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video > > provides more detail about their network planning initiative. > > > > > > To help avoid congestion on your network during > > upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they > may better > > understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage > area, CDN > > provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. > > > > > > > > Are you the correct contact person within your > > network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, > can you > > please direct me to the right person within your network > operations team? > > > > > > > > If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via > > email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. > > > > > > Thank you so much for your cooperation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nataliya Coll > > Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia > > TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. > > One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 > > Washington, DC 20005 USA > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telege… > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telege…> > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telege…> > > +1 (202) 741-0066 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following > link: > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.ipho… > DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following > link: > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.ipho… > DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of > > Winnebago Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole > use of the > > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > > information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is > > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender > > by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following > link: > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.ipho… > DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists > .iphouse.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwa%3FSUBED1%3DMICE-DISCUSS%26A%3D1&data=0 > 4%7C01%7CMiles.McCredie%40MIDCO.COM%7C279a3332ccc841571e7808d9da977f97 > %7Cf70525877c584eacaec96b5a66be0433%7C1%7C1%7C637781166503630905%7CUnk > nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWw > iLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=iDnk5Nj2taSc3CRGfzBk8I1joBVRIeAU7Wci1 > tyehMg%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists > .iphouse.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwa%3FSUBED1%3DMICE-DISCUSS%26A%3D1&data=0 > 4%7C01%7CMiles.McCredie%40MIDCO.COM%7C279a3332ccc841571e7808d9da977f97 > %7Cf70525877c584eacaec96b5a66be0433%7C1%7C1%7C637781166503630905%7CUnk > nown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWw > iLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=iDnk5Nj2taSc3CRGfzBk8I1joBVRIeAU7Wci1 > tyehMg%3D&reserved=0

Jan. 21, 2022

Please welcome Northland Communications to MICE!

by Jeremy Lumby

Name: Northland Communications Switch: Southfront Remote Port: E5/1 and E8/1 for 20G Portchannel 2 ASN: 394907 IPv4: This is a port upgrade, all IP info remains the same. IPv6: Peering Contact: noc(a)cltel.com Route Servers: Yes BFD: No Welcome Aboard Again! Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

Jan. 20, 2022

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Justin Krejci

Definitely legit and definitely worth pursuing additional connectivity with Amazon and CDNs that Amazon will use to distribute their NFL streaming content. We have peering active with Amazon at four IX locations (including MICE) and are trying to get some PNIs with them now too. https://aws.amazon.com/peering/locations/ This page lists Cologix Minneapolis as a site where interconnection can happen. If you have a lot of eyeballs on your network, you should definitely pursue adding/augmenting connectivity to Amazon. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Steve Savoy <stevesavoy(a)WCTATEL.COM> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:55 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Thanks Jeremy! I'll give it another try. Steve -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:49 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Steve, Amazon can be notoriously difficult to get to respond, and when they finally do it can often take a couple months. They have recently moved to regional peering addresses, and it is worth sending the request to peering-amer(a)amazon.com if you have not already. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Savoy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:01 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 Steve From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Dean Bahls Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by Light Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm contracted by multiple companies. The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to be prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. Dean From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire Has anyone else gotten an email like this? On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity to talk about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... Thanks in advance, Anthony On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll <ncoll(a)telegeography.com> wrote: Hi David and Anthony, I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video (APV) to survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s exclusive presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the 2022 NFL season. The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video provides more detail about their network planning initiative. To help avoid congestion on your network during upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they may better understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage area, CDN provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. Are you the correct contact person within your network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, can you please direct me to the right person within your network operations team? If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. Thank you so much for your cooperation. Nataliya Coll Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 Washington, DC 20005 USA www.telegeography.com<http://www.telegeography.com> +1 (202) 741-0066 ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of Winnebago Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 18, 2022

Re: FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire

by Michael Hare

Sorry Ben, I had read the msg as text not HTML. I see the table now, thanks. -Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Ben > Wiechman > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:26 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from Amazon > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > I shot over what was provided through the survey/questions. If anyone has > additional or more detailed information I'd be interested in it as well. > > > > Ben Wiechman > > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering > > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > <http://arvig.com> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:17 AM Michael Hare <000000097dab80c5-dmarc- > request(a)lists.iphouse.net <mailto:000000097dab80c5-dmarc- > request(a)lists.iphouse.net> > wrote: > > > Anyone willing to share which CDNs either publicly or privately? > AS3128 peers with 16509 bilateral over MICE and we haven't seen the below. > We are eyeballs but are R&E. I'd like to make sure my ducks are in a row. > > -Michael > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Ben > > Wiechman > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:05 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from > Amazon > > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > They didn't indicate that this was confidential, nor do we have an > NDA, so... > > > > This is a snippet of the information. > > > > CDN Partners > > 32 Prime Video uses multiple CDN partners to deliver our live > content. We > > deploy a predetermined configuration giving weights to > > 33 each of the CDNs based on their reported capacity, but the > actual live > > streams delivery is determined by performance. We work > > 34 with our ISP partners to validate the available capacity so that we > do not > > create undue stress on the ISP network during peak > > 35 events. The use of multiple CDNs with flexible weights provides > us the > > ability to dynamically shift traffic in case of performance > > 36 degradation, or outages within a single CDN. > > 37 The table below summarizes the CDN partners we plan to use > (subject to > > adjustment), and the function and protocol supported > > 38 by each CDN. The actual traffic load on each CDN partner is > based on their > > performance and available capacity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Wiechman > > > > Director of IP Strategy and Engineering > > > > > > 320.247.3224 | ben.wiechman(a)arvig.com > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com > <mailto:ben.wiechman@arvig.com> > > > > > Arvig | 224 East Main Street | Melrose, MN 56352 | arvig.com > <http://arvig.com> > > <http://arvig.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 8:00 AM Steve Savoy > <stevesavoy(a)wctatel.com <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com> > > <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com > <mailto:stevesavoy@wctatel.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > I’m just jealous that you are able to peer with Amazon. > > > > > > > > Been trying for 2 years now and nothing but ‘crickets’………… 😉 > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > On Behalf Of Dean Bahls > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:28 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> <mailto:MICE- <mailto:MICE-> > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from > > Amazon Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > > > > > While I haven’t gotten that specific email from them, I’ve gotten > > several Telegeography emails since 2012. They are referenced by > Light > > Reading Daily quite a bit. They *seem* to be a legit research firm > contracted > > by multiple companies. > > > > > > > > The Amazon / TNF partnership is a real deal….and MICE needs to > be > > prepared for a potential uptick in traffic on Thursdays. > > > > > > > > Dean > > > > > > > > > > > > From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > On Behalf Of > > AnthonyAnderberg(a)NUVERA.NET > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> > > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET > <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@NUVERA.NET> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:27 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE- > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> <mailto:MICE- <mailto:MICE-> > > DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > <mailto:DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > > > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] FW: Thursday Night Football from > Amazon > > Prime Video - Network Questionnaire > > > > > > > > Has anyone else gotten an email like this? > > > > > > > > On the surface it seems legit, and I always like the opportunity > to talk > > about MICE, but I’m not sure how I feel about sharing such info... > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:29 PM Nataliya Coll > > <ncoll(a)telegeography.com <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com> > <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com <mailto:ncoll@telegeography.com> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi David and Anthony, > > > > > > > > I am a telecoms analyst with TeleGeography in > > Washington, DC. We have been contracted by Amazon Prime Video > (APV) to > > survey ISPs across the country in preparation for Prime Video’s > exclusive > > presentation of NFL Thursday Night Football (TNF) starting with the > 2022 NFL > > season. > > > > The attached letter from Amazon Prime Video > > provides more detail about their network planning initiative. > > > > > > To help avoid congestion on your network during > > upcoming games, Amazon is asking us to query you so that they > may better > > understand your network point(s) of contact, service coverage > area, CDN > > provider(s), IP Transit provider(s), etc. > > > > > > > > Are you the correct contact person within your > > network operations team to respond to these questions? If not, > can you > > please direct me to the right person within your network > operations team? > > > > > > > > If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via > > email or let me know if you would like to set up a call with me. > > > > > > Thank you so much for your cooperation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nataliya Coll > > Research Analyst, Europe & Eurasia > > TeleGeography, a Division of PriMetrica, Inc. > > One Thomas Circle, NW, Suite 360 > > Washington, DC 20005 USA > > www.telegeography.com > <http://www.telegeography.com> > > <http://www.telegeography.com> > > +1 (202) 741-0066 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following > link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE- > DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following > link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE- > DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This correspondence is the property of > > Winnebago Cooperative Telecom Association and is for the sole use > of the > > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > > information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is > > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > the sender > > by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following > link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE- > DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > ________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Jan. 18, 2022