September 2019 - mice-discuss

Re: Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm?

by Frank Bulk

My credit request to Zayo for the September 9 event was rejected – they claimed force majeure. I’m ask again. =) Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:18 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? That's pretty sad. So they already had a fiber crew on site and it still took many hours to fix it. Maybe they didn't have a splicer there but it's still bad to see how long it took when they knew the exact location of the cut since they caused it. On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:15 AM Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: From our OSP supervisor: …this was cut by Zayo’s own contractor who was working on moving their fiber. Frank From: Frank Bulk Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:17 AM To: 'MICE Discuss' <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Subject: RE: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? From our field tech: I think the contractor Zayo hired to move the fiber for the Hwy. 75 reconstruction hit the fiber. I'm assuming Vannguard's locates were off. Frank From: Frank Bulk Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 7:28 AM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Subject: RE: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? My own link was up at 1:41 am Last update I received from Zayo was at 3:46 am: Current Update: OSP techs have completed splicing on all active fibers at this time. All services should be restored. Please advise if you are still experiencing issues. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:43 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? Another update at 11:25pm: Current Update: Replacement fiber and splicers are onsite at this time. Techs will be prepping the cables for splicing soon. ETR at this time is 5 hours. More updates to follow. So basically it should be up by 5 am or so. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:18 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? Another update at 10:09 pm: Current Update: Our OSP reported that the repair crew are running a little behind the 2 hour ETA provided earlier and have noted the are still about 50 minutes from the damage area. So they will arrive around 11 pm, about 7h 15m from the start of the outage. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? More detail in Zayo’s last update at 8:08 pm We apologize for the delayed update. We've spoken with our OSP PM and have been advised that the splice crew's ETA to the site is still about 1 to 1.5 hours and the ETTR is 4.5 to 5 hours. The damage was caused by a construction crew and the damage area is south of Hinton, IA around County Rd 60 and Iowa State Rd 75. Additional information to follow once the splice crew is on site. So it does seem related to the Hwy 75 re-construction project. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 6:13 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? I heard it is out somewhere between Sioux City and Alton, so it definitely could be that IDOT construction zone. We don't have growing pains we have Zayo pains. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 4:37 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? Could be part of the Hwy 75 project: https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/idot-to-close-us-highway-during-nig…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__siouxcityjournal.com_n…> Our OSP staff said that Zayo was the laggard on the required moves. Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net<mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@nuvera.net> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 4:21 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? We've got a link in NW Iowa down as well, we're on the same (former Neutral Path) link as you guys to Sioux City - so it's someplace between Sioux City, IA and Windom, MN. On 9/9/19, 4:02 PM, "MICE Discuss on behalf of James Urwiller" <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET on behalf of james.urwiller(a)TURNKEY-TELECOM.COM<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET%20on%20behalf%20of%20james.urwiller@TURNKEY-TELECOM.COM>> wrote: YES SIR! James Urwiller Network Architect Stealth Broadband james.urwiller(a)stealthbroadband.com<mailto:james.urwiller@stealthbroadband.com> -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 16:02 To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? Bounce and then down. Sep 9 15:45:21 Fibercomm, 10G Ethernet Term. ETH-1-1-4, Critical (Raised), Link (Failure), Link failure, 2019-09-09 08:45:19 PM (GMT), to Belle Plaine via WIT for MICE Sep 9 15:45:37 Fibercomm, 10G Ethernet Term. ETH-1-1-4, Critical (Cleared), Link (Failure), Link failure, 2019-09-09 08:45:27 PM (GMT), to Belle Plaine via WIT for MICE Sep 9 15:45:52 Fibercomm, 10G Ethernet Term. ETH-1-1-4, Critical (Raised), Link (Failure), Link failure, 2019-09-09 08:45:49 PM (GMT), to Belle Plaine via WIT for MICE Frank ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

Sept. 24, 2019

Zayo Bell Plaine

by Jeremy Lumby

Just an FYI, I have received temperature alarms from the Zayo hut in Belle Plaine again. A ticket has been opened with Zayo Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

Sept. 20, 2019

Re: BGP Optimizers

by Jeffrey Anderson

We run across these a lot on our customer endpoints… I have found that these hinge on the single assumption BGP best practices have been followed end-to-end. Also, end user education about how they function is a serious issue. IRR is the more serious concern/project for us at this juncture to insure global reachability. +2 on the IRR! -Sparky. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of David Farmer Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 4:43 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] BGP Optimizers I found an interesting article in my LinkedIn feed last night on BGP Optimizers; https://www.itnews.com.au/news/bgp-optimisers-seem-a-good-idea-until-they-b… I'd be interesting if anyone in the MICE community is using a BGP Optimizer? Especially one that generates more specific prefixes in BGP. I don't want to expose anyone to ridicule, so please don't go there if anyone fesses up, even in jest, this needs to be treated seriously. However, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer, especially one generating more specific prefixes, I think it would behoove the MICE community to put in extra defenses against propagating these more specific prefixes through the exchange and out to the Internet in general or even our own downstream customers. For example we could create a MICE-DROP BGP Community that we can tag any routes that should be dropped if they are (accidentally) announced to the MICE route server or to other MICE peers, such as these more specific routes created by a BGP Optimizer. Basically we would each add something to our routing policy, and on the MICE route servers too, looking for that BGP Community and immediately dropping any routes tag with it. Also, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer in our community that would be a very good reason to accelerate IRR based router filtering for our exchange. Thanks. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu<mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu> Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 19, 2019

Re: BGP Optimizers

by David Farmer

Well we can't necessarily trust them to attach the BGP Community or filter properly, this is why if there are people using BGP Optimizers, I would want us to accelerate IRR filtering for MICE, but even that isn't perfect. However, the idea around a MICE-DROP BGP Community is to develop a robust approach, belt and suspenders so to speak. For example, let's say they are filtering but they make a mistake editing their filter, or they load new code on their router and a bug allows routes to leak. If in a different part of their configuration, or maybe on the BGP Optimizer itself, they set the MICE-DROP community, then their mistake or bug still won't propagate through MICE, because the other MICE participants or the MICE route servers would know to drop the routes with that tag anyway. It's also why we all need to enforce max prefix counts on our peers and on peers to the route servers, it helps catch the unexpected mistake or bug. Robust systems have multiple layers of protection. The break system on your car probably has power assist of some kind, but your breaks are designed to work even if the power assist fails, you still have manual, unassisted, hydraulics through the break pedal, and if the hydraulic system completely fails, you have a emergency break with a cable attached to a lever that can use to engage the breaks. Something like a MICE-DROP BGP Community allows responsible peers to implemnet robust filtering of their routes, where even if something fails on their side, maybe something our our side can catch the failure and prevent it being propagated. Thanks. On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:14 PM Brandon Mulligan <brandon(a)kcix.net> wrote: > David, > > Do the MICE route servers not have explicit route filters on each BGP > session? If you can't trust a network to advertise only their IPs then how > can you trust them to attach a community to their "optimized routes"? > > Also, Could one simply use 0:53679 on their "optimized routes" to achieve > the same effect? > > Thanks. > On 9/18/2019 4:43 PM, David Farmer wrote: > > I found an interesting article in my LinkedIn feed last night on BGP > Optimizers; > > > https://www.itnews.com.au/news/bgp-optimisers-seem-a-good-idea-until-they-b… > ? > > I'd be interesting if anyone in the MICE community is using a BGP > Optimizer? Especially one that generates more specific prefixes in BGP. > > I don't want to expose anyone to ridicule, so please don't go there if > anyone fesses up, even in jest, this needs to be treated seriously. > > However, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer, especially one generating > more specific prefixes, I think it would behoove the MICE community to put > in extra defenses against propagating these more specific prefixes through > the exchange and out to the Internet in general or even our own downstream > customers. > > For example we could create a MICE-DROP BGP Community that we can tag any > routes that should be dropped if they are (accidentally) announced to the > MICE route server or to other MICE peers, such as these more specific > routes created by a BGP Optimizer. Basically we would each add something to > our routing policy, and on the MICE route servers too, looking for that BGP > Community and immediately dropping any routes tag with it. > > Also, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer in our community that would be a > very good reason to accelerate IRR based router filtering for our exchange. > > Thanks. > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > -- > Brandon Mulligan > Kansas City Internet eXchangehttp://kcix.net > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

Sept. 18, 2019

Re: BGP Optimizers

by Brady Kittel

Noction does their installs themselves normally so arguably none of their settings are default and are subject to the specific build of software they initially install and how their engineer lays down the base config. RE: The specific instance referenced in the article was the result of several companies failing to follow best practice with regard to their network management from what I recall and noction just amplified the issue. The article above is glazing over a lot of details. On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 5:22 PM Andrew Hoyos <hoyosa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Folks using route-optimizer things like Noction and such *SHOULD* be > setting no-export on any prefixes it generates... > As we’ve seen in history over the last years, that doesn’t always happen. > I think they recently (last-year ish?) made that a default, instead of a > manual setting. > > > On Sep 18, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Brandon Mulligan <brandon(a)KCIX.NET> wrote: > > David, > > Do the MICE route servers not have explicit route filters on each BGP > session? If you can't trust a network to advertise only their IPs then how > can you trust them to attach a community to their "optimized routes"? > > Also, Could one simply use 0:53679 on their "optimized routes" to achieve > the same effect? > > Thanks. > On 9/18/2019 4:43 PM, David Farmer wrote: > > I found an interesting article in my LinkedIn feed last night on BGP > Optimizers; > > > https://www.itnews.com.au/news/bgp-optimisers-seem-a-good-idea-until-they-b… > ? > > I'd be interesting if anyone in the MICE community is using a BGP > Optimizer? Especially one that generates more specific prefixes in BGP. > > I don't want to expose anyone to ridicule, so please don't go there if > anyone fesses up, even in jest, this needs to be treated seriously. > > However, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer, especially one generating > more specific prefixes, I think it would behoove the MICE community to put > in extra defenses against propagating these more specific prefixes through > the exchange and out to the Internet in general or even our own downstream > customers. > > For example we could create a MICE-DROP BGP Community that we can tag any > routes that should be dropped if they are (accidentally) announced to the > MICE route server or to other MICE peers, such as these more specific > routes created by a BGP Optimizer. Basically we would each add something to > our routing policy, and on the MICE route servers too, looking for that BGP > Community and immediately dropping any routes tag with it. > > Also, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer in our community that would be a > very good reason to accelerate IRR based router filtering for our exchange. > > Thanks. > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > -- > Brandon Mulligan > Kansas City Internet eXchangehttp://kcix.net > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >

Sept. 18, 2019

Re: BGP Optimizers

by Andrew Hoyos

and +1 on accelerating IRR based filtering on the route servers… > On Sep 18, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Brandon Mulligan <brandon(a)KCIX.NET> wrote: > >> Also, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer in our community that would be a very good reason to accelerate IRR based router filtering for our exchange. >

Sept. 18, 2019

Re: BGP Optimizers

by Andrew Hoyos

Folks using route-optimizer things like Noction and such *SHOULD* be setting no-export on any prefixes it generates... As we’ve seen in history over the last years, that doesn’t always happen. I think they recently (last-year ish?) made that a default, instead of a manual setting. > On Sep 18, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Brandon Mulligan <brandon(a)KCIX.NET> wrote: > > David, > > Do the MICE route servers not have explicit route filters on each BGP session? If you can't trust a network to advertise only their IPs then how can you trust them to attach a community to their "optimized routes"? > > Also, Could one simply use 0:53679 on their "optimized routes" to achieve the same effect? > > Thanks. > > On 9/18/2019 4:43 PM, David Farmer wrote: >> I found an interesting article in my LinkedIn feed last night on BGP Optimizers; >> >> https://www.itnews.com.au/news/bgp-optimisers-seem-a-good-idea-until-they-b… <https://www.itnews.com.au/news/bgp-optimisers-seem-a-good-idea-until-they-b…>? >> >> I'd be interesting if anyone in the MICE community is using a BGP Optimizer? Especially one that generates more specific prefixes in BGP. >> >> I don't want to expose anyone to ridicule, so please don't go there if anyone fesses up, even in jest, this needs to be treated seriously. >> >> However, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer, especially one generating more specific prefixes, I think it would behoove the MICE community to put in extra defenses against propagating these more specific prefixes through the exchange and out to the Internet in general or even our own downstream customers. >> >> For example we could create a MICE-DROP BGP Community that we can tag any routes that should be dropped if they are (accidentally) announced to the MICE route server or to other MICE peers, such as these more specific routes created by a BGP Optimizer. Basically we would each add something to our routing policy, and on the MICE route servers too, looking for that BGP Community and immediately dropping any routes tag with it. >> >> Also, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer in our community that would be a very good reason to accelerate IRR based router filtering for our exchange. >> >> Thanks. >> -- >> =============================================== >> David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu <mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu> >> Networking & Telecommunication Services >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 >> =============================================== >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1>-- > Brandon Mulligan > Kansas City Internet eXchange > http://kcix.net <http://kcix.net/> > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1>

Sept. 18, 2019

Re: BGP Optimizers

by Brandon Mulligan

David, Do the MICE route servers not have explicit route filters on each BGP session? If you can't trust a network to advertise only their IPs then how can you trust them to attach a community to their "optimized routes"? Also, Could one simply use 0:53679 on their "optimized routes" to achieve the same effect? Thanks. On 9/18/2019 4:43 PM, David Farmer wrote: > I found an interesting article in my LinkedIn feed last night on BGP Optimizers; > > https://www.itnews.com.au/news/bgp-optimisers-seem-a-good-idea-until-they-b… > > I'd be interesting if anyone in the MICE community is using a BGP Optimizer? Especially one that generates more specific prefixes in BGP. > > I don't want to expose anyone to ridicule, so please don't go there if anyone fesses up, even in jest, this needs to be treated seriously. > > However, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer, especially one generating more specific prefixes, I think it would behoove the MICE community to put in extra defenses against propagating these more specific prefixes through the exchange and out to the Internet in general or even our own downstream customers. > > For example we could create a MICE-DROP BGP Community that we can tag any routes that should be dropped if they are (accidentally) announced to the MICE route server or to other MICE peers, such as these more specific routes created by a BGP Optimizer. Basically we would each add something to our routing policy, and on the MICE route servers too, looking for that BGP Community and immediately dropping any routes tag with it. > > Also, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer in our community that would be a very good reason to accelerate IRR based router filtering for our exchange. > > Thanks. > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu <mailto:Email%3Afarmer@umn.edu> > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Brandon Mulligan Kansas City Internet eXchange http://kcix.net

Sept. 18, 2019

BGP Optimizers

by David Farmer

I found an interesting article in my LinkedIn feed last night on BGP Optimizers; https://www.itnews.com.au/news/bgp-optimisers-seem-a-good-idea-until-they-b… ? I'd be interesting if anyone in the MICE community is using a BGP Optimizer? Especially one that generates more specific prefixes in BGP. I don't want to expose anyone to ridicule, so please don't go there if anyone fesses up, even in jest, this needs to be treated seriously. However, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer, especially one generating more specific prefixes, I think it would behoove the MICE community to put in extra defenses against propagating these more specific prefixes through the exchange and out to the Internet in general or even our own downstream customers. For example we could create a MICE-DROP BGP Community that we can tag any routes that should be dropped if they are (accidentally) announced to the MICE route server or to other MICE peers, such as these more specific routes created by a BGP Optimizer. Basically we would each add something to our routing policy, and on the MICE route servers too, looking for that BGP Community and immediately dropping any routes tag with it. Also, if anyone is using a BGP Optimizer in our community that would be a very good reason to accelerate IRR based router filtering for our exchange. Thanks. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================

Sept. 18, 2019

Re: Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm?

by Dean Bahls

Those thing happen. But a cut at 3:45PM should never take till 1:15AM to restore. They won’t change the glacial speed at which they operate until it affects their bottom line. Time to start disconnecting circuits I guess. From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:15 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? >From our OSP supervisor: …this was cut by Zayo’s own contractor who was working on moving their fiber. Frank From: Frank Bulk Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:17 AM To: 'MICE Discuss' <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > Subject: RE: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? >From our field tech: I think the contractor Zayo hired to move the fiber for the Hwy. 75 reconstruction hit the fiber. I'm assuming Vannguard's locates were off. Frank From: Frank Bulk Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 7:28 AM To: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: RE: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? My own link was up at 1:41 am Last update I received from Zayo was at 3:46 am: Current Update: OSP techs have completed splicing on all active fibers at this time. All services should be restored. Please advise if you are still experiencing issues. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:43 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? Another update at 11:25pm: Current Update: Replacement fiber and splicers are onsite at this time. Techs will be prepping the cables for splicing soon. ETR at this time is 5 hours. More updates to follow. So basically it should be up by 5 am or so. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:18 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? Another update at 10:09 pm: Current Update: Our OSP reported that the repair crew are running a little behind the 2 hour ETA provided earlier and have noted the are still about 50 minutes from the damage area. So they will arrive around 11 pm, about 7h 15m from the start of the outage. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? More detail in Zayo’s last update at 8:08 pm We apologize for the delayed update. We've spoken with our OSP PM and have been advised that the splice crew's ETA to the site is still about 1 to 1.5 hours and the ETTR is 4.5 to 5 hours. The damage was caused by a construction crew and the damage area is south of Hinton, IA around County Rd 60 and Iowa State Rd 75. Additional information to follow once the splice crew is on site. So it does seem related to the Hwy 75 re-construction project. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 6:13 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? I heard it is out somewhere between Sioux City and Alton, so it definitely could be that IDOT construction zone. We don't have growing pains we have Zayo pains. _____ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> > on behalf of Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)MYPREMIERONLINE.COM <mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> > Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 4:37 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? Could be part of the Hwy 75 project: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__siouxcityjournal.com_n…> https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/idot-to-close-us-highway-during-nig… Our OSP staff said that Zayo was the laggard on the required moves. Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss < <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of <mailto:AnthonyAnderberg@nuvera.net> AnthonyAnderberg(a)nuvera.net Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 4:21 PM To: <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? We've got a link in NW Iowa down as well, we're on the same (former Neutral Path) link as you guys to Sioux City - so it's someplace between Sioux City, IA and Windom, MN. On 9/9/19, 4:02 PM, "MICE Discuss on behalf of James Urwiller" < <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET%20on%20behalf%20of%20james.urwiller@TURNKEY-TELECOM.COM> MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET on behalf of james.urwiller(a)TURNKEY-TELECOM.COM> wrote: YES SIR! James Urwiller Network Architect Stealth Broadband <mailto:james.urwiller@stealthbroadband.com> james.urwiller(a)stealthbroadband.com -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss < <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 16:02 To: <mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Anyone else down to Belle Plain since 3:45 pm? Bounce and then down. Sep 9 15:45:21 Fibercomm, 10G Ethernet Term. ETH-1-1-4, Critical (Raised), Link (Failure), Link failure, 2019-09-09 08:45:19 PM (GMT), to Belle Plaine via WIT for MICE Sep 9 15:45:37 Fibercomm, 10G Ethernet Term. ETH-1-1-4, Critical (Cleared), Link (Failure), Link failure, 2019-09-09 08:45:27 PM (GMT), to Belle Plaine via WIT for MICE Sep 9 15:45:52 Fibercomm, 10G Ethernet Term. 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