June 2019 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: lost MICE

by Frank Bulk

Another update from Zayo: 10:30 OSP reported they are trying to get resources to the damage location. Damage appears to be right off of I60 and 170th in Sibley IA. Currently there is no ETA for techs. More updates to follow. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 10:27 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE First two updates from Zayo: 9:48 am: Your case has been associated with a higher level outage ticket, your ticket number will remain the same. The latest update is as follows: Zayo is experiencing a network event between SIOUX CITY, IA and MANKATO MN affecting multiple customers. The appropriate resources have been engaged for repairs. At this time, OSP is en route to the suspected trouble location to begin investigating. No ETA available as of yet. 10:21 am: Our OSP crews are en route to begin investigations. More updates to follow. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:53 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE Turns out that the fiber got hit by a tiler in our area, by 130th and Hwy 60 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=hwy+60+and+130th,+sibley&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS814U…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.google.com_maps-3F…>) in Sibley, Iowa. The tiler called one of our techs and the farmer called another one of our techs, inquiring if it was our fiber or not (it’s not). The tiler reported hitting a line below the tape. I opened a ticket with Zayo’s NCC email address about 35 minutes ago, and haven’t yet received an acknowledgement, but once I do I will inform them of the location. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:06 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE Yes, same thing, between 7:25 and 7:26 am our 10G link went down. I assume it’s an issue between Sioux City and Belle Plaine. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of James Urwiller Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 7:58 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE I lost MICE again over ZAYO about 30 minutes ago.. anyone else? James Urwiller Network Architect Stealth Broadband james.urwiller(a)stealthbroadband.com<mailto:james.urwiller@stealthbroadband.com> [stealth300] ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

June 10, 2019

Re: lost MICE

by Frank Bulk

First two updates from Zayo: 9:48 am: Your case has been associated with a higher level outage ticket, your ticket number will remain the same. The latest update is as follows: Zayo is experiencing a network event between SIOUX CITY, IA and MANKATO MN affecting multiple customers. The appropriate resources have been engaged for repairs. At this time, OSP is en route to the suspected trouble location to begin investigating. No ETA available as of yet. 10:21 am: Our OSP crews are en route to begin investigations. More updates to follow. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:53 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE Turns out that the fiber got hit by a tiler in our area, by 130th and Hwy 60 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=hwy+60+and+130th,+sibley&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS814U…<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.google.com_maps-3F…>) in Sibley, Iowa. The tiler called one of our techs and the farmer called another one of our techs, inquiring if it was our fiber or not (it’s not). The tiler reported hitting a line below the tape. I opened a ticket with Zayo’s NCC email address about 35 minutes ago, and haven’t yet received an acknowledgement, but once I do I will inform them of the location. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:06 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE Yes, same thing, between 7:25 and 7:26 am our 10G link went down. I assume it’s an issue between Sioux City and Belle Plaine. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of James Urwiller Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 7:58 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE I lost MICE again over ZAYO about 30 minutes ago.. anyone else? James Urwiller Network Architect Stealth Broadband james.urwiller(a)stealthbroadband.com<mailto:james.urwiller@stealthbroadband.com> [stealth300] ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

June 10, 2019

Re: lost MICE

by Frank Bulk

Turns out that the fiber got hit by a tiler in our area, by 130th and Hwy 60 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=hwy+60+and+130th,+sibley&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS814U…) in Sibley, Iowa. The tiler called one of our techs and the farmer called another one of our techs, inquiring if it was our fiber or not (it’s not). The tiler reported hitting a line below the tape. I opened a ticket with Zayo’s NCC email address about 35 minutes ago, and haven’t yet received an acknowledgement, but once I do I will inform them of the location. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:06 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE Yes, same thing, between 7:25 and 7:26 am our 10G link went down. I assume it’s an issue between Sioux City and Belle Plaine. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of James Urwiller Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 7:58 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE I lost MICE again over ZAYO about 30 minutes ago.. anyone else? James Urwiller Network Architect Stealth Broadband james.urwiller(a)stealthbroadband.com<mailto:james.urwiller@stealthbroadband.com> [stealth300] ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

June 10, 2019

Re: lost MICE

by Frank Bulk

Yes, same thing, between 7:25 and 7:26 am our 10G link went down. I assume it’s an issue between Sioux City and Belle Plaine. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of James Urwiller Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 7:58 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] lost MICE I lost MICE again over ZAYO about 30 minutes ago.. anyone else? James Urwiller Network Architect Stealth Broadband james.urwiller(a)stealthbroadband.com<mailto:james.urwiller@stealthbroadband.com> [stealth300] ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

June 10, 2019

lost MICE

by James Urwiller

I lost MICE again over ZAYO about 30 minutes ago.. anyone else? James Urwiller Network Architect Stealth Broadband james.urwiller(a)stealthbroadband.com [image: stealth300]

June 10, 2019

Re: MAC address limit

by Jeremy Lumby

I am not proposing it for the core, and do not have plans of proposing it in the future. However if someone else wants to propose it, I would definitely be in favor of it. The main reason for the proposal with respect to my extension switch is to standardize it with all of the other internet exchanges that I offer, and I wanted to make sure that MICE would not have an issue with my extension being more restrictive then the core is (and therefore not matching the MICE standards). It also is partially because it makes me sleep better at night knowing that my extension switch is a little less likely to participate in accidentally dumping a bunch of garbage traffic onto the exchange causing problems for everyone else. To me that is much more important than the little additional effort that is required when someone swaps a router out. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington MN 55425 Main 612-355-7740 Direct 612-392-6814 EFax 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com -------- Original message -------- From: Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> Date: 6/8/19 7:25 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MAC address limit _____ >From : Richard Laager [rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM] To : MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] Date : Saturday, June 8 2019 19:28:11 On 6/8/19 11:03 AM, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > With that being said, I would like to start a discussion about lowering > the maximum MAC address limit to 1 with respect to the MICE extension > switch that I operate. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Is this a trial run for eventually proposing the same change MICE-wide? I don't have strong feelings, but that seems fine too. -- Richard

June 9, 2019

Re: MAC address limit

by Richard Laager

On 6/8/19 11:03 AM, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > With that being said, I would like to start a discussion about lowering > the maximum MAC address limit to 1 with respect to the MICE extension > switch that I operate. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Is this a trial run for eventually proposing the same change MICE-wide? I don't have strong feelings, but that seems fine too. -- Richard

June 9, 2019

Re: MAC address limit

by Jeff Wilde

I agree with this also Jdw Please excuse typos as this was sent from smart phone -------- Original message -------- From: Andrew Hoyos <hoyosa(a)GMAIL.COM> Date: 6/8/19 12:17 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MAC address limit I’m a fan of 1 per port unless documented exception. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com<mailto:hoyosa@gmail.com> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: I wanted to start a discussion about the MAC address limit that MICE has as a standard limit of 5 per port. If I remember correctly, the history behind it ended up being that 5 MAC addresses was chosen as a happy middle ground to make router swaps by end users much easier on the end user, as well as the MICE tech committee. As someone that runs extension switches for 3 exchanges in addition to MICE, all of the other IXes have a 1 MAC address limit per port. I have found that maintaining these was not nearly as difficult as the original concern that was expressed at the MICE UG that lead to a limit of 5. With that being said, I would like to start a discussion about lowering the maximum MAC address limit to 1 with respect to the MICE extension switch that I operate. I feel that the benefits outnumber the risks, and with the experiences from the other 3 IXes, I do not think that the extra effort I will need to put in would be significant. Just to state the obvious, the South Front extension switch uplink that is connected to my extension would be a permanent exception, and short term exceptions would be permitted ahead of a router swap. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 8, 2019

Re: MAC address limit

by Andrew Hoyos

I’m a fan of 1 per port unless documented exception. -- Andrew Hoyos hoyosa(a)gmail.com > On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > > I wanted to start a discussion about the MAC address limit that MICE has as a standard limit of 5 per port. If I remember correctly, the history behind it ended up being that 5 MAC addresses was chosen as a happy middle ground to make router swaps by end users much easier on the end user, as well as the MICE tech committee. As someone that runs extension switches for 3 exchanges in addition to MICE, all of the other IXes have a 1 MAC address limit per port. I have found that maintaining these was not nearly as difficult as the original concern that was expressed at the MICE UG that lead to a limit of 5. With that being said, I would like to start a discussion about lowering the maximum MAC address limit to 1 with respect to the MICE extension switch that I operate. I feel that the benefits outnumber the risks, and with the experiences from the other 3 IXes, I do not think that the extra effort I will need to put in would be significant. Just to state the obvious, the South Front extension switch uplink that is connected to my extension would be a permanent exception, and short term exceptions would be permitted ahead of a router swap. > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S #216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > M: 612-355-7740 > D: 612-392-6814 > F: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 8, 2019

MAC address limit

by Jeremy Lumby

I wanted to start a discussion about the MAC address limit that MICE has as a standard limit of 5 per port. If I remember correctly, the history behind it ended up being that 5 MAC addresses was chosen as a happy middle ground to make router swaps by end users much easier on the end user, as well as the MICE tech committee. As someone that runs extension switches for 3 exchanges in addition to MICE, all of the other IXes have a 1 MAC address limit per port. I have found that maintaining these was not nearly as difficult as the original concern that was expressed at the MICE UG that lead to a limit of 5. With that being said, I would like to start a discussion about lowering the maximum MAC address limit to 1 with respect to the MICE extension switch that I operate. I feel that the benefits outnumber the risks, and with the experiences from the other 3 IXes, I do not think that the extra effort I will need to put in would be significant. Just to state the obvious, the South Front extension switch uplink that is connected to my extension would be a permanent exception, and short term exceptions would be permitted ahead of a router swap. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S #216 Bloomington, MN 55425 M: 612-355-7740 D: 612-392-6814 F: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com

June 8, 2019