June 2016 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: One-time port fees

by Hannigan, Martin

Why don't you start with a budget and then fund it? Maybe thats $50 per user. Maybe not. Did we ever kick out an operating budget? I'd guess yes. Port expense is not the killer here. Its cash flow and opex. On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:28, Steve Howard <showard(a)PAULBUNYAN.NET<mailto:showard@paulbunyan.net>> wrote: Here is a starting point for a discussion: 1Gbps $200/month 10Gbps $1000/year Everybody invoiced ANNUALLY. First year/partial year free. i.e. Whoever is active on January 1 gets a bill. All amounts are suggested donations (for now). i.e. You won't be disconnected if you don't pay (yet). However that could change at any time. Especially if we run out of ports, in that case the members who have historically paid for their port(s) take precedence over those who haven't. End users of remote switches pay as above. Remote switches do not pay as long as their end users pay enough to make up for the ports used by the remote switch. For example, the CNS switch has 3x10Gbps ports connecting to the main MICE switch. The five CNS end users pay $1,000 each, this covers the $3,000 cost of the three ports to the CNS switch. If CNS has only two users paying $1,000 each, then CNS would owe $1,000. On 06/16/2016 01:53 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: I'm quietly awaiting a counter proposal... On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net<mailto:rfishler@he.net>> wrote: SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees would suddenly make us golden. Reid On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net<mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net>> wrote: There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this week. There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in Seattle. Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: https://www.seattleix.net/join<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.seattleix.net_join…> This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398<tel:%28507%29%20327-2398> mobile <mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net>jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net<mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…>www.neutralpath.net<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178<tel:%2B1-510-580-4178> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile <mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net>jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net<mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…>www.neutralpath.net<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.neutralpath.net&d=D…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.iphouse.net_cgi-2…>

June 16, 2016

Re: One-time port fees

by Reid Fishler

Hopefully there is news about the NFP status at the board/usergroup meeting, that I hope you all will be at next week! Reid On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)paulbunyan.net> wrote: > Here is a starting point for a discussion: > > 1Gbps $200/month > 10Gbps $1000/year > > Everybody invoiced ANNUALLY. First year/partial year free. i.e. Whoever > is active on January 1 gets a bill. > > All amounts are suggested donations (for now). i.e. You won't be > disconnected if you don't pay (yet). However that could change at any > time. Especially if we run out of ports, in that case the members who have > historically paid for their port(s) take precedence over those who haven't. > > End users of remote switches pay as above. Remote switches do not pay as > long as their end users pay enough to make up for the ports used by the > remote switch. For example, the CNS switch has 3x10Gbps ports connecting > to the main MICE switch. The five CNS end users pay $1,000 each, this > covers the $3,000 cost of the three ports to the CNS switch. If CNS has > only two users paying $1,000 each, then CNS would owe $1,000. > > > > > > > On 06/16/2016 01:53 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: > > I'm quietly awaiting a counter proposal... > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: > >> SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early >> exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of >> their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees >> would suddenly make us golden. >> >> Reid >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> >> wrote: >> >>> There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this >>> week. >>> >>> There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in Seattle. >>> >>> Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: >>> >>> https://www.seattleix.net/join >>> >>> This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. >>> >>> -- >>> Jay Hanke >>> CTO >>> Neutral Path Communications >>> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >>> Mankato, MN 56001 >>> (507) 327-2398 <%28507%29%20327-2398> mobile >>> <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net>jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >>> <http://www.neutralpath.net>www.neutralpath.net >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >>> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Reid Fishler >> Director >> Hurricane Electric >> +1-510-580-4178 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > > > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net>jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > <http://www.neutralpath.net>www.neutralpath.net > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

June 16, 2016

Re: One-time port fees

by Jeremy Lumby

Do you mean 1Gbps $200/year ? From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:28 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] One-time port fees Here is a starting point for a discussion: 1Gbps $200/month 10Gbps $1000/year Everybody invoiced ANNUALLY. First year/partial year free. i.e. Whoever is active on January 1 gets a bill. All amounts are suggested donations (for now). i.e. You won't be disconnected if you don't pay (yet). However that could change at any time. Especially if we run out of ports, in that case the members who have historically paid for their port(s) take precedence over those who haven't. End users of remote switches pay as above. Remote switches do not pay as long as their end users pay enough to make up for the ports used by the remote switch. For example, the CNS switch has 3x10Gbps ports connecting to the main MICE switch. The five CNS end users pay $1,000 each, this covers the $3,000 cost of the three ports to the CNS switch. If CNS has only two users paying $1,000 each, then CNS would owe $1,000. On 06/16/2016 01:53 PM, Jason Hanke wrote: I'm quietly awaiting a counter proposal... On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees would suddenly make us golden. Reid On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> wrote: There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this week. There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in Seattle. Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: https://www.seattleix.net/join This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

June 16, 2016

Re: One-time port fees

by Steve Howard

June 16, 2016

Re: One-time port fees

by Jason Hanke

I'm quietly awaiting a counter proposal... On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)he.net> wrote: > SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early exchange > out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of their > structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees would > suddenly make us golden. > > Reid > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> > wrote: > >> There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this >> week. >> >> There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in Seattle. >> >> Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: >> >> https://www.seattleix.net/join >> >> This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. >> >> -- >> Jay Hanke >> CTO >> Neutral Path Communications >> 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> (507) 327-2398 mobile >> jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net >> www.neutralpath.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >> http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 >> > > > > -- > Reid Fishler > Director > Hurricane Electric > +1-510-580-4178 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 16, 2016

Re: One-time port fees

by Dean Bahls

I’ve typically been pretty silent on matters of MICE, but we at CNS are very supportive of the effort and thank everyone for everything they do to keep the exchange working. I’m of the opinion that we should be paying *monthly* fees for ports to keep the exchange solvent. One-time fees are nice, but monthly fees might be necessary. Thanks, Dean From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:47 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] One-time port fees SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees would suddenly make us golden. Reid On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net <mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net> > wrote: There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this week. There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in Seattle. Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: https://www.seattleix.net/join This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 <tel:%28507%29%20327-2398> mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net <mailto:jayhanke@neutralpath.net> www.neutralpath.net <http://www.neutralpath.net> _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1 -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 _____ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS <http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1> &A=1

June 16, 2016

Re: One-time port fees

by Reid Fishler

SIX also has a ton of donations coming in. They were a VERY early exchange out there. They did what they did VERY well, and we use some of their structure in MICE. But lets not think that single one time port fees would suddenly make us golden. Reid On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net> wrote: > There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this > week. > > There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in Seattle. > > Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: > > https://www.seattleix.net/join > > This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO > Neutral Path Communications > 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 327-2398 mobile > jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net > www.neutralpath.net > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

June 16, 2016

One-time port fees

by Jason Hanke

There was quite a bit of talk regarding port fees at NANOG earlier this week. There was also seemingly universal accolades going to the SiX in Seattle. Here is the schedule of fees at the SiX: https://www.seattleix.net/join This may be a reasonable starting point for MICE. -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 16, 2016

Re: Airstream Additional 10G port

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, Jun 01, 2016 at 01:35:36PM -0500, Jason Hanke wrote: > Airstream would like to add an additional 10G port. > > I have allocated port xe-2/0/20 on the main switch. This port will > need to be in a LAG group with their existing port xe-0/0/20. Sure, I have LAG ae8 allocated for them, and will put the new port into it for now and co-ordinate a cutover time/process with them. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> ~.~ ipHouse ~.~ Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades

June 1, 2016

Airstream Additional 10G port

by Jason Hanke

Airstream would like to add an additional 10G port. I have allocated port xe-2/0/20 on the main switch. This port will need to be in a LAG group with their existing port xe-0/0/20. Charles Monson is the primary contact within WIN. All IP addressing will remain the same. Could the Tech Committee reach out to coordinate. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO Neutral Path Communications 3 Civic Center Plaza, Suite 204 Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 327-2398 mobile jayhanke(a)neutralpath.net www.neutralpath.net

June 1, 2016