February 2014 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Justin Krejci

Yes, US Internet is close to 400mbps so I don't doubt collectively MICE would meet the base tech requirements. This would be a great expansion for us if we could make it work. -----Original Message----- From: Hannigan, Martin [marty(a)AKAMAI.COM] Received: Monday, 24 Feb 2014, 7:20AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET [MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? I agree, the technical conditions are probably met. But there are other criteria that go into these decisions like costs of rack, power and availability and cost of cache fill transit. Best, -M< On Feb 21, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Brady Kittel <bkittel(a)GMAIL.COM<mailto:bkittel@GMAIL.COM>> wrote: Sounds like Reid is already on this. Their tipping point is 1Gbps of cachable traffic to Google. We're doing 200Mbps ourselves so I'd guess MICE would easily tip the scales. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Russell Berg <berg(a)wins.net<mailto:berg@wins.net>> wrote: Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. Russ Airstream Communications -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 24, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Hannigan, Martin

I agree, the technical conditions are probably met. But there are other criteria that go into these decisions like costs of rack, power and availability and cost of cache fill transit. Best, -M< On Feb 21, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Brady Kittel <bkittel(a)GMAIL.COM<mailto:bkittel@GMAIL.COM>> wrote: Sounds like Reid is already on this. Their tipping point is 1Gbps of cachable traffic to Google. We're doing 200Mbps ourselves so I'd guess MICE would easily tip the scales. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Russell Berg <berg(a)wins.net<mailto:berg@wins.net>> wrote: Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. Russ Airstream Communications -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 24, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Reid Fishler

Yes, I am. Reid On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk(a)mypremieronline.com>wrote: > Reid, > > > > Are you working with peering and/or caching with Google and/or Netflix? > > > > Frank > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *Reid Fishler > *Sent:* Friday, February 21, 2014 4:52 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > > > I am already on Netflix also...just not as good results yet. I am working > on it. > > > > Reid > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Nathan Beard <nbeard(a)stellarllc.net> > wrote: > > I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE > were to implement this. > > Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering > solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the > Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have > been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be > very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is > something that be of great benefit to Stellar. > > Thanks! > > > > On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > > Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. > > > > Russ > > Airstream Communications > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM > > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > > > Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? > > > > ######################################################################## > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > ######################################################################## > > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > > > -- > Reid Fishler > Director > Hurricane Electric > +1-510-580-4178 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 23, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Frank Bulk

Reid, Are you working with peering and/or caching with Google and/or Netflix? Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Reid Fishler Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 4:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? I am already on Netflix also...just not as good results yet. I am working on it. Reid On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Nathan Beard <nbeard(a)stellarllc.net<mailto:nbeard@stellarllc.net>> wrote: I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE were to implement this. Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is something that be of great benefit to Stellar. Thanks! [cid:image001.png@01CF3007.DBDA12C0] On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. Russ Airstream Communications -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 23, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Dan Olsen

Reid. Do you need member support to help with Netflix etc Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET> wrote: >I am already on Netflix also...just not as good results yet. I am working on it. > > >Reid > > > >On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Nathan Beard <nbeard(a)stellarllc.net> wrote: > >I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE were to implement this. > >Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is something that be of great benefit to Stellar. > >Thanks! > > > > > >On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > >Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. Russ Airstream Communications -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > >To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > >-- >Reid Fishler >Director >Hurricane Electric >+1-510-580-4178 > > >To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: >http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Reid Fishler

I am already on Netflix also...just not as good results yet. I am working on it. Reid On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Nathan Beard <nbeard(a)stellarllc.net> wrote: > I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE > were to implement this. > > Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering > solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the > Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have > been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be > very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is > something that be of great benefit to Stellar. > > Thanks! > > > On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > > Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. > > Russ > Airstream Communications > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET <MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Netflix

by Jeremy Lumby

I have had conversations with Netflix about peering in Minneapolis, and they have said that the project has existed for years, however it keeps getting bumped back for other projects (European expansion is one that they mentioned). I do not have a great direct contact to do some arm twisting with. From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Nathan Beard Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 4:35 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE were to implement this. Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is something that be of great benefit to Stellar. Thanks! On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements.RussAirstream Communications-----Original Message-----From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady KittelSent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AMTo: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NETSubject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest?Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share?########################################################################To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1###########… unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link:http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Brady Kittel

Sounds like Reid is already on this. Their tipping point is 1Gbps of cachable traffic to Google. We're doing 200Mbps ourselves so I'd guess MICE would easily tip the scales. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Russell Berg <berg(a)wins.net> wrote: > Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to > poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get > more accurate bandwidth measurements. > > Russ > Airstream Communications > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Brady Kittel > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I > filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster > for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to > connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable > content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. > Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Nathan Beard

I for one would have interest in utilizing a Google cache server if MICE were to implement this. Also, are there any updates regarding a potential MICE to Netflix peering solution? I know that 511 isn't listed as a public peering location on the Netflix Open Connect website, but I seem to recall that discussions have been underway for some time in an attempt to make this happen. I would be very interested if somebody had information to share on this, since it is something that be of great benefit to Stellar. Thanks! On 02/21/2014 04:19 PM, Russell Berg wrote: > Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. > > Russ > Airstream Communications > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? > > Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014

Re: Google Global Cache Interest?

by Russell Berg

Some MICE peers already have Google (and other) caches, so you may have to poll to see who would be participating in a Google cache at MICE to get more accurate bandwidth measurements. Russ Airstream Communications -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:11 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google Global Cache Interest? Not sure if maybe someone has already looked into this. On a wild hair I filled out the inquiry form for looking at a Google Global Cache cluster for our site and also mentioned there is an IX they might be able to connect to as an alternative option. We're a bit below their peak cachable content requirements however I have no doubt MICE would far exceed them. Would there be any interest in placing one on MICE for members to share? ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Feb. 21, 2014