December 2014 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

That's awesome! I never knew. Best, Marty > On Dec 5, 2014, at 21:35, Asp, David <David.Asp(a)CO.DAKOTA.MN.US> wrote: > > http://johnweeks.com/tour/fortune1000/index.html > > List of fortune 1000 companies in Minnesota > > David Asp > Dakota County, MN > > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:54 PM, "Mike Horwath" <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:14:35PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >>> Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? >> >> Target? >> 3M? >> Cargill? >> >> About 100 more of the fortune 1000 :) >> >> -- >> Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 6, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Asp, David

http://johnweeks.com/tour/fortune1000/index.html List of fortune 1000 companies in Minnesota David Asp Dakota County, MN Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:54 PM, "Mike Horwath" <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:14:35PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote: >> Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? > > Target? > 3M? > Cargill? > > About 100 more of the fortune 1000 :) > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 6, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:17:58PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > Marty- > I welcome you to Minnesota, the land of 10000 lakes, and 10000 CLECS. :-) They used to call them PILECs or participating incumbent local exchange carrier. I shit you not. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 6, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 06:14:35PM -0500, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? Target? 3M? Cargill? About 100 more of the fortune 1000 :) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 6, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

We'll disagree and leave it at that. Best, -M< On Dec 5, 2014, at 18:12, Reid Fishler <rfishler(a)HE.NET<mailto:rfishler@HE.NET>> wrote: Money will ALWAYS be able to buy fiber. Heck, Jay can plow it for us if the $'s get high enough. My point just was that I don't think someone will give us fiber between sites, a system to support said fiber channels, and the rack/space/etc. I welcome someone if they want to do so...we are not married to one site, just looking at the honest facts. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org<mailto:drechsau@geeks.org>> wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! I can't agree with this. I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an affordable fashion. Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing was lit on the panel that I could see) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG<mailto:drechsau@Geeks.ORG> -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

Marty- I welcome you to Minnesota, the land of 10000 lakes, and 10000 CLECS. :-) Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Hannigan, Martin <marty(a)akamai.com> wrote: > Right. Issue is utilization. If you can go passive 100 that's cheapish > compared to transit at n utilization and minus 9 x-con fees over useful > life etc. > > The other option is shared WDM. Some are asking for that option in many > places and seeing it happen. Not really managed waves. > > Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 18:09, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > >> Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > > > I can't agree with this. > > > > I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an > > affordable fashion. > > > > Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and > > 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. > > > > (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS > > was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing > > was lit on the panel that I could see) > > > > -- > > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

Right. Issue is utilization. If you can go passive 100 that's cheapish compared to transit at n utilization and minus 9 x-con fees over useful life etc. The other option is shared WDM. Some are asking for that option in many places and seeing it happen. Not really managed waves. Why so much fiber in m/stp? What's there? > On Dec 5, 2014, at 18:09, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)GEEKS.ORG> wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: >> Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > I can't agree with this. > > I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an > affordable fashion. > > Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and > 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. > > (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS > was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing > was lit on the panel that I could see) > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Reid Fishler

Money will ALWAYS be able to buy fiber. Heck, Jay can plow it for us if the $'s get high enough. My point just was that I don't think someone will give us fiber between sites, a system to support said fiber channels, and the rack/space/etc. I welcome someone if they want to do so...we are not married to one site, just looking at the honest facts. Reid On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)geeks.org> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > I can't agree with this. > > I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an > affordable fashion. > > Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and > 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. > > (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS > was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing > was lit on the panel that I could see) > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Reid Fishler wrote: > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! I can't agree with this. I would change it to: Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful in an affordable fashion. Cause that's the issue. When Zayo wants $5K to run from 2nd Ave S and 4 St to 511 you know something is up and it ain't the fiber. (this is directly a quote from Zayo for a single pair even though AFS was across the aisle and of the <billion> fibers there almost nothing was lit on the panel that I could see) -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG

Dec. 5, 2014

Re: Fibers and Stuffs Was: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Googling on IPv6 and HE to 20G

by Hannigan, Martin

On Dec 5, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Jason Hanke <jayhanke(a)NEUTRALPATH.NET> wrote: > > Dark fiber in MSP isn't plentiful. I wish it was! > > > > Reid > > Reid, > > http://www.zayo.com/network/metro-fiber-maps/minneapolis-st-paul-mn > > and at least one competitor > > http://maps.level3.com/default/#.VIIwJYcyHZA > > I'm pretty sure L3 won't sell dark fiber in Minneapolis or Minnesota… It looks like there are two facilities serving the area, a gateway and possibly a regen/aggregator. The maps reads like on-net sales. Anyone? Zayo does for sure. Best, -M<

Dec. 5, 2014