September 2013 - mice-discuss

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by David Farmer

I'd be happy to move the GigaPOP to the main switch, I'll look at getting a SFP+. I think I have one I can borrow from our Infinera equipment as well. However, this is just iOS7, this happened with iOS6 last year too, at first we pulled it from the MICE Akamai nodes and then it shifted to our local nodes. I'm not sure why, but that's the way it seems to work. Thanks On 9/18/13 16:14 , Jeremy Lumby wrote: > The problem is X2 versus SFP+ optics. I would be happy to donate, the problem is I only have X2 optics, and no SFP+ laying around. If we moved the GigaPoP, that would solve the immediate problem, so the trick would be if someone had one SFP+ module to facilitate the move. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Horwath > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:59 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > >> On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote: >>> Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. >>> Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their >>> optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes. >> >> It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at >> the main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to >> support the bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, >> for now, the single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine. > > I agree. > > Move them to the main switch as it gets it closer to more participants. > > Optics may just move and be compatible. > > Agree on the LAG/LACP config for Akamai as well *on the main switch*. > > -- > Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by Mike Horwath

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 04:14:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > The problem is X2 versus SFP+ optics. I would be happy to donate, > the problem is I only have X2 optics, and no SFP+ laying around. If > we moved the GigaPoP, that would solve the immediate problem, so the > trick would be if someone had one SFP+ module to facilitate the > move. Hmm.. Seems surmountable! -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by Jeremy Lumby

The problem is X2 versus SFP+ optics. I would be happy to donate, the problem is I only have X2 optics, and no SFP+ laying around. If we moved the GigaPoP, that would solve the immediate problem, so the trick would be if someone had one SFP+ module to facilitate the move. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Horwath Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:59 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote: >> Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. >> Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their >> optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes. > > It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at > the main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to > support the bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, > for now, the single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine. I agree. Move them to the main switch as it gets it closer to more participants. Optics may just move and be compatible. Agree on the LAG/LACP config for Akamai as well *on the main switch*. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by Mike Horwath

On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager(a)WIKTEL.COM> wrote: > On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote: >> Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. >> Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their >> optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes. > > It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at the > main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to support the > bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, for now, the > single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine. I agree. Move them to the main switch as it gets it closer to more participants. Optics may just move and be compatible. Agree on the LAG/LACP config for Akamai as well *on the main switch*. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau(a)Geeks.ORG ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 07:39:52PM +0000, Anthony Anderberg wrote: > I see the link from the Akamai cluster was above 9.5G too. It's possible that could be the next bottleneck for full utilization of the exchange (and of Akamai's cluster). > We certainly know that there will be more iOS upgrades in the future. It looks like Akamai is climbing up to just about 7Gbps peaks during normal times, which should probably be a trigger to get dual 10G to them.. Besides the large flow of Akamai->Gigapop/State of MN, it looks just like going from Akamai's spikes, that the next biggest consumers all around of Akamai output is about 600-700Mbps all on the main switch, unless that ~2Gbps spike out to HE was related to Akamai traffic. I don't think HE is too big a factor, but Gigapop & Akamai should probably live on one switch, and we should talk to Akamai to double up the connection. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by Jeremy Lumby

Everything is single mode. From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Brady Kittel Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:22 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues Guessing Akamai/Hurricane are using LR X2 optics over single mode? If they're running SR over multi I might have some extra 10Gb SFP+ Cisco brand optics. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)paulbunyan.net> wrote: It is a Cisco WS-C3560E-12D. It has qty 12 X2 10Gig ports. (Or 2x1Gig ports when using the TwinGig adapter). On 09/18/2013 03:07 PM, Anthony Anderberg wrote: I don't recall what model switch the CNS unit is – are they X2 based ports or SFP+ ? If SFP+ I bet the Juniper switch would be OK with Cisco modules. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:47 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes. Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody? On 09/18/2013 02:10 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: Should we just move the GigaPOP and HE to the main switch? On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net> wrote: There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch. We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Mike Bushard Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile | 320.256.7555 Fax To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by Brady Kittel

Guessing Akamai/Hurricane are using LR X2 optics over single mode? If they're running SR over multi I might have some extra 10Gb SFP+ Cisco brand optics. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Steve Howard <showard(a)paulbunyan.net>wrote: > It is a Cisco WS-C3560E-12D. It has qty 12 X2 10Gig ports. (Or 2x1Gig > ports when using the TwinGig adapter). > > > > On 09/18/2013 03:07 PM, Anthony Anderberg wrote: > > I don't recall what model switch the CNS unit is – are they X2 based > ports or SFP+ ?**** > > If SFP+ I bet the Juniper switch would be OK with Cisco modules.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *Anthony Anderberg* > > Sr. Systems Analyst**** > > [image: NUtel_email_logo_1]**** > > 320-234-5239**** > > anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net**** > > *www.nutelecom.net* > > * * > > ** ** > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] > *On Behalf Of *Steve Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:47 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues**** > > ** ** > > > Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move > one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that > could also become a factor in any changes. > > Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would > be easier than moving anybody? > > **** > > On 09/18/2013 02:10 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:**** > > Should we just move the GigaPOP and HE to the main switch?**** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net> > wrote:**** > > There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right > now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch. > > We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch. > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO, CCIE #19093 > Mankato Networks LLC > PO Box 54 > 619 S Front St > Mankato, MN 56001-3838 > Google 530-618-2398 > jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net > http://www.mankatonetworks.com > http://www.neutralpath.net > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Mike Bushard Jr > | Network Engineer IV > *| *Arvig > | 320.256.7471 Office > | 320.256.0178 Direct > | 320.429.0837 Mobile > | 320.256.7555 Fax > **** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 **** > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by Steve Howard

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by Mike Bushard, Jr

X2 On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Anthony Anderberg < anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net> wrote: > I don't recall what model switch the CNS unit is – are they X2 based > ports or SFP+ ?**** > > If SFP+ I bet the Juniper switch would be OK with Cisco modules.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *Anthony Anderberg* > > Sr. Systems Analyst**** > > [image: NUtel_email_logo_1]**** > > 320-234-5239**** > > anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net**** > > *www.nutelecom.net* > > * * > > ** ** > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *Steve Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:47 PM > > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues**** > > ** ** > > > Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move > one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that > could also become a factor in any changes. > > Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would > be easier than moving anybody? > > **** > > On 09/18/2013 02:10 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:**** > > Should we just move the GigaPOP and HE to the main switch?**** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net> > wrote:**** > > There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right > now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch. > > We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch. > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO, CCIE #19093 > Mankato Networks LLC > PO Box 54 > 619 S Front St > Mankato, MN 56001-3838 > Google 530-618-2398 > jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net > http://www.mankatonetworks.com > http://www.neutralpath.net > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Mike Bushard Jr > | Network Engineer IV > *| *Arvig > | 320.256.7471 Office > | 320.256.0178 Direct > | 320.429.0837 Mobile > | 320.256.7555 Fax > **** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 **** > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Mike Bushard Jr | Network Engineer IV *| *Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile | 320.256.7555 Fax ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: MICE Congestion Issues

by Anthony Anderberg

I don't recall what model switch the CNS unit is – are they X2 based ports or SFP+ ? If SFP+ I bet the Juniper switch would be OK with Cisco modules. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:47 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes. Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody? On 09/18/2013 02:10 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: Should we just move the GigaPOP and HE to the main switch? On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net<mailto:jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net>> wrote: There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch. We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398<tel:530-618-2398> jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net<mailto:jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net> http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Mike Bushard Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile | 320.256.7555 Fax [http://ipstats.arvig.net/arviglogo.jpeg] ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 18, 2013