September 2012 - mice-discuss

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Jeremy Lumby

I agree, however for any members running Cisco IOS, this opportunity has already passed during the switch swap outage, since you cannot move the new ip from secondary to primary without causing an outage. I just hoped they used the planned outage to make the new IP primary, and the old one Secondary. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:29 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Traffic Lower If we do the renumbering right, you shouldn't have to endure an outage. You should be able to bring up each new session, wait for it to stabilize, then turn down the old one and not lose a single packet. Owen On Sep 5, 2012, at 20:57 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > Personally I feel that it is probably not the source of decreased traffic, however the IP address renumbering seems to have fallen by the wayside post switch swap out. I was hoping to only bring my sessions back up after renumbering, so as to not need to take them down again, however when it stalled I decided to bring the old ones back up. I would like to see some direction from the steering committee as to what time ranges they would like everyone to have the second IP by, and then what stage they would like to see the old IP removed by. If there is not direction, this will probably hang around forever. Personally I have contacted the 4 members that only were doing bi-lateral peering, and only 2 of them responded, and got our BGP sessions updated to the new IPs. Something we should all keep in mind is that the more professionally we operate, the more attractive we look to the larger carriers that are thinking of joining. I had a network engineer at one such large carrier say to me that they did not want to recommend joining MICE to management because there were no maintenance fees, and therefore they were afraid that MICE may not be around long term for lack of reliable maintenance funds. > > Jeremy > > ###################################################################### > ## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Owen DeLong

If we do the renumbering right, you shouldn't have to endure an outage. You should be able to bring up each new session, wait for it to stabilize, then turn down the old one and not lose a single packet. Owen On Sep 5, 2012, at 20:57 , Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)MNVOIP.COM> wrote: > Personally I feel that it is probably not the source of decreased traffic, however the IP address renumbering seems to have fallen by the wayside post switch swap out. I was hoping to only bring my sessions back up after renumbering, so as to not need to take them down again, however when it stalled I decided to bring the old ones back up. I would like to see some direction from the steering committee as to what time ranges they would like everyone to have the second IP by, and then what stage they would like to see the old IP removed by. If there is not direction, this will probably hang around forever. Personally I have contacted the 4 members that only were doing bi-lateral peering, and only 2 of them responded, and got our BGP sessions updated to the new IPs. Something we should all keep in mind is that the more professionally we operate, the more attractive we look to the larger carriers that are thinking of joining. I had a network engineer at one such large carrier say to me that they did not want to recommend joining MICE to management because there were no maintenance fees, and therefore they were afraid that MICE may not be around long term for lack of reliable maintenance funds. > > Jeremy > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Mike Horwath

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 10:57:00PM -0500, Jeremy Lumby wrote: > I had a network engineer at one such large carrier say to me that > they did not wa nt to recommend joining MICE to management because > there were no maintenance fees, and therefore they were afraid that > MICE may not be around long term for lack of reliable maintenance > funds. MICE UG will be a great place to discuss things. Will you be there? Where is it at? :) (Hi Jay!) -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Koch, Andrew

On Wednesday, September 05, 2012 at 22:57 Jeremy Lumby wrote: > Personally I feel that it is probably not the source of decreased traffic, > however the IP address renumbering seems to have fallen by the wayside > post switch swap out. I was hoping to only bring my sessions back up > after renumbering, so as to not need to take them down again, however when > it stalled I decided to bring the old ones back up. Jeremy, Only half of the numbering is assigned. I have been holding off on contacting our peers until we have an IPv6 assignment so to keep the number of touches to a minimum. I am sure more traction will be seen once a more formal plan is finalized. Luckily, multiple IPv6 addresses are a bit easier to deal with on routers than having multiple IPv4 addresses. Regards, Andy Koch TDS Telecom - IP Network Operations andrew.koch(a)tdstelecom.com Desk: 608-664-4694 Cell: 608-616-0072 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Jeremy Lumby

Personally I feel that it is probably not the source of decreased traffic, however the IP address renumbering seems to have fallen by the wayside post switch swap out. I was hoping to only bring my sessions back up after renumbering, so as to not need to take them down again, however when it stalled I decided to bring the old ones back up. I would like to see some direction from the steering committee as to what time ranges they would like everyone to have the second IP by, and then what stage they would like to see the old IP removed by. If there is not direction, this will probably hang around forever. Personally I have contacted the 4 members that only were doing bi-lateral peering, and only 2 of them responded, and got our BGP sessions updated to the new IPs. Something we should all keep in mind is that the more professionally we operate, the more attractive we look to the larger carriers that are thinking of joining. I had a network engineer at one such large carrier say to me that they did not want to recommend joining MICE to management because there were no maintenance fees, and therefore they were afraid that MICE may not be around long term for lack of reliable maintenance funds. Jeremy ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Dan Boehlke

Maybe the new switches are shy and need to get to know us better. They may feel transparent because we are peering through them. On Sep 5, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 11:20:23PM +0000, Dan Olsen wrote: >> It has a personality now > > That's what I'm saying! > > -- > Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net > The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is > that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 5, 2012

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Dan Olsen

I'm with you. ------Original Message------ From: Mike Horwath Sender: MICE Discuss To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET ReplyTo: MICE Discuss Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Traffic Lower Sent: Sep 5, 2012 6:24 PM On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 11:20:23PM +0000, Dan Olsen wrote: > It has a personality now That's what I'm saying! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 Sent from a wireless device ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 5, 2012

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Mike Horwath

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 11:20:23PM +0000, Dan Olsen wrote: > It has a personality now That's what I'm saying! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 5, 2012

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Dan Olsen

It has a personality now ------Original Message------ From: Mike Horwath Sender: MICE Discuss To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET ReplyTo: MICE Discuss Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Traffic Lower Sent: Sep 5, 2012 5:20 PM On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 05:03:12PM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > It looks like we're running ~500-700 Mb/s lower in overall traffic > after the switch upgrade. Any ideas on why? It misses something? -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 Sent from a wireless device ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 5, 2012

Re: MICE Traffic Lower

by Dan Olsen

Looks like SDN is lower. Not that I'm keeping track of them!!! ------Original Message------ From: Jay Hanke Sender: MICE Discuss To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET ReplyTo: MICE Discuss Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Traffic Lower Sent: Sep 5, 2012 5:03 PM It looks like we're running ~500-700 Mb/s lower in overall traffic after the switch upgrade. Any ideas on why? -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 Sent from a wireless device ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Sept. 5, 2012