July 2012 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Reid Fishler

There is no reason why a SMALL fee cannot be charged by the exchange to recover costs. This is not a for-profit enterprise, but I am sure $100-200 for the traffic most are getting beats anyones transit costs... Reid On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net>wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Owen DeLong <owend(a)he.net> wrote: > >> For MICE to be viable as an exchange long term, connections to MICE need >> to cover upgrades like this as well as maintenance, etc. >> > > Agreed > > >> It's great that people are willing to donate hardware/money, but, I would >> like to see MICE develop a longer-term view of its own financial support >> where all members pay a fair share and we should be building up a reserve >> that can initially purchase any needed hardware that MICE doesn't own and >> later can provide for unforseen events. >> > > I have proposed to a number of members charging monthly or annually for > 10G connections. The idea being that if you really need XE you're getting > quite a bit of value from the exchange. > > I posted a poll on the linked in page and was rather taken back that ~30% > felt there was no $ value in 10G ports. On the flip side, 70% thought a > MICE 10G port was worth at least $150/month. > > Here's a link: > > > http://www.linkedin.com/groups/How-much-is-MICE-10G-3000346.S.91293159?qid=… > > The last part of your statement is also very important. Being able to > address things for we have failed to plan without affecting the service the > exchange provides is critical to our ongoing usefulness. > > My back of the napkin, assuming we're paying for everything, puts us at an > annual recurring need of about 15k. This doesn't include purchase of the > initial switch and initial end-user ARIN address fees. > > Jay > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Jay Hanke

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Owen DeLong <owend(a)he.net> wrote: > For MICE to be viable as an exchange long term, connections to MICE need > to cover upgrades like this as well as maintenance, etc. > Agreed > It's great that people are willing to donate hardware/money, but, I would > like to see MICE develop a longer-term view of its own financial support > where all members pay a fair share and we should be building up a reserve > that can initially purchase any needed hardware that MICE doesn't own and > later can provide for unforseen events. > I have proposed to a number of members charging monthly or annually for 10G connections. The idea being that if you really need XE you're getting quite a bit of value from the exchange. I posted a poll on the linked in page and was rather taken back that ~30% felt there was no $ value in 10G ports. On the flip side, 70% thought a MICE 10G port was worth at least $150/month. Here's a link: http://www.linkedin.com/groups/How-much-is-MICE-10G-3000346.S.91293159?qid=… The last part of your statement is also very important. Being able to address things for we have failed to plan without affecting the service the exchange provides is critical to our ongoing usefulness. My back of the napkin, assuming we're paying for everything, puts us at an annual recurring need of about 15k. This doesn't include purchase of the initial switch and initial end-user ARIN address fees. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Shaun Carlson

This sounds like a great topic to revisit at our next MICE UG meeting. I seem to recall discussing this at the last one as well. s *Shaun Carlson *Senior Network Engineer | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | contact: protocol.by/scarlson em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Jeremy Lumby <jlumby(a)mnvoip.com> wrote: > ** > I agree with Owen > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *Owen DeLong > *Sent:* Friday, July 20, 2012 5:36 PM > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Upgrade > > For MICE to be viable as an exchange long term, connections to MICE need > to cover upgrades like this as well as maintenance, etc. > > It's great that people are willing to donate hardware/money, but, I would > like to see MICE develop a longer-term view of its own financial support > where all members pay a fair share and we should be building up a reserve > that can initially purchase any needed hardware that MICE doesn't own and > later can provide for unforseen events. > > Owen > > On Jul 20, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Jay Hanke wrote: > > As you may be aware, a waiting list is starting to form for 10G ports on > the main switch. The Juniper switches in the core are on long term demo and > will need to be returned to the pool at some point. In addition, there are > members that are looking for 10G LAG connections to the main switch. > > I talked to Juniper and they will allow us to swap our existing stack of > EX4200's for a steeply discounted EX4500. > > http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/ex-series/ex4500/ > > The new switch would give us 40 1G/10G ports and the ability to add > additional shelves in the future with 128 Gb/s VC uplinks. If there was > sufficient interest and support I believe we could deploy a set out of the > gate to provide redundancy. The plan would be to move anyone with a > FastEthernet connection to one of the remote switches. > > After the trade in, the cost to MICE would be $4485 + $1158 (Next Day > Support) + any sales taxes (if any). > > MICE would own the switch. None of the current switches are owned by MICE > and their use is at the whim of their respective owners. This would prevent > any of the members from taking their ball and going home. > > We already have a pledge of $3000 for the upgrade from an existing MICE > member. > > Thanks, > > Jay > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 21, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Jeremy Lumby

I agree with Owen From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:36 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Upgrade For MICE to be viable as an exchange long term, connections to MICE need to cover upgrades like this as well as maintenance, etc. It's great that people are willing to donate hardware/money, but, I would like to see MICE develop a longer-term view of its own financial support where all members pay a fair share and we should be building up a reserve that can initially purchase any needed hardware that MICE doesn't own and later can provide for unforseen events. Owen On Jul 20, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Jay Hanke wrote: As you may be aware, a waiting list is starting to form for 10G ports on the main switch. The Juniper switches in the core are on long term demo and will need to be returned to the pool at some point. In addition, there are members that are looking for 10G LAG connections to the main switch. I talked to Juniper and they will allow us to swap our existing stack of EX4200's for a steeply discounted EX4500. http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/ex-series/ex4500/ The new switch would give us 40 1G/10G ports and the ability to add additional shelves in the future with 128 Gb/s VC uplinks. If there was sufficient interest and support I believe we could deploy a set out of the gate to provide redundancy. The plan would be to move anyone with a FastEthernet connection to one of the remote switches. After the trade in, the cost to MICE would be $4485 + $1158 (Next Day Support) + any sales taxes (if any). MICE would own the switch. None of the current switches are owned by MICE and their use is at the whim of their respective owners. This would prevent any of the members from taking their ball and going home. We already have a pledge of $3000 for the upgrade from an existing MICE member. Thanks, Jay To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 20, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Owen DeLong

For MICE to be viable as an exchange long term, connections to MICE need to cover upgrades like this as well as maintenance, etc. It's great that people are willing to donate hardware/money, but, I would like to see MICE develop a longer-term view of its own financial support where all members pay a fair share and we should be building up a reserve that can initially purchase any needed hardware that MICE doesn't own and later can provide for unforseen events. Owen On Jul 20, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Jay Hanke wrote: > As you may be aware, a waiting list is starting to form for 10G ports on the main switch. The Juniper switches in the core are on long term demo and will need to be returned to the pool at some point. In addition, there are members that are looking for 10G LAG connections to the main switch. > > I talked to Juniper and they will allow us to swap our existing stack of EX4200's for a steeply discounted EX4500. > > http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/ex-series/ex4500/ > > The new switch would give us 40 1G/10G ports and the ability to add additional shelves in the future with 128 Gb/s VC uplinks. If there was sufficient interest and support I believe we could deploy a set out of the gate to provide redundancy. The plan would be to move anyone with a FastEthernet connection to one of the remote switches. > > After the trade in, the cost to MICE would be $4485 + $1158 (Next Day Support) + any sales taxes (if any). > > MICE would own the switch. None of the current switches are owned by MICE and their use is at the whim of their respective owners. This would prevent any of the members from taking their ball and going home. > > We already have a pledge of $3000 for the upgrade from an existing MICE member. > > Thanks, > > Jay > > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 20, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Jay Hanke

> > Notice: maximum of 2 EX4500s per VC stack if I remember correctly. > Up to 10 VC Members max, the links are individual 64 Gb/s PCI links 2 per switch or Nx10G from uplink modules on the front of the switch. LAG can span switches. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 20, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 04:52:15PM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > The new switch would give us 40 1G/10G ports and the ability to add > additional shelves in the future with 128 Gb/s VC uplinks. If there > was sufficient interest and support I believe we could deploy a set > out of the gate to provide redundancy. The plan would be to move > anyone with a FastEthernet connection to one of the remote switches. Notice: maximum of 2 EX4500s per VC stack if I remember correctly. Also, you could have 2 EX4200s + 2 EX 4500s in a single stack as well. Or 8 EX4200s but I don't think we need that many 1Gbps ports. > We already have a pledge of $3000 for the upgrade from an existing > MICE member. THANK YOU MEMBER! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 20, 2012

Juniper Upgrade

by Jay Hanke

As you may be aware, a waiting list is starting to form for 10G ports on the main switch. The Juniper switches in the core are on long term demo and will need to be returned to the pool at some point. In addition, there are members that are looking for 10G LAG connections to the main switch. I talked to Juniper and they will allow us to swap our existing stack of EX4200's for a steeply discounted EX4500. http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/ex-series/ex4500/ The new switch would give us 40 1G/10G ports and the ability to add additional shelves in the future with 128 Gb/s VC uplinks. If there was sufficient interest and support I believe we could deploy a set out of the gate to provide redundancy. The plan would be to move anyone with a FastEthernet connection to one of the remote switches. After the trade in, the cost to MICE would be $4485 + $1158 (Next Day Support) + any sales taxes (if any). MICE would own the switch. None of the current switches are owned by MICE and their use is at the whim of their respective owners. This would prevent any of the members from taking their ball and going home. We already have a pledge of $3000 for the upgrade from an existing MICE member. Thanks, Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 20, 2012

Re: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG7 - Save the date

by Mike Bushard, Jr

Arvig could possible help out with some food sponsorship. Mike Bushard, Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile ** NEW NUMBER ** | 320-256-7555 Fax *** Please update your address book with my new work email: mike.bushard(a)arvig.com *** -----Original Message----- From: MICE Announcements [mailto:MICE-ANNOUNCE@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:34 PM To: MICE-ANNOUNCE(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-ANNOUNCE] MICE UG7 - Save the date MICE UG 7 will be Wednesday October 3, 2012 @ 3 PM. I'll forward details as soon as I have them. We're looking for a food and drink sponsor... -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-ANNOUNCE list, click the following link: &*TICKET_URL(MICE-ANNOUNCE,SIGNOFF); ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 16, 2012

Re: MICE UG7- Save the date

by Dean Bahls

CNS would be willing to kick in for this. Thanks, Dean -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:33 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE UG7- Save the date MICE UG 7 will be Wednesday October 3, 2012 @ 3 PM. I'll forward details as soon as I have them. We're looking for a food and drink sponsor... -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5135 - Release Date: 07/16/12 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 16, 2012