July 2012 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Shaun Carlson

Agreed, this will help us all understand the costs and ensure we're covering those and generating a reasonable surplus for equipment purchases, etc... s *Shaun Carlson *Senior Network Engineer | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | contact: protocol.by/scarlson em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Mike Bushard, Jr <mike.bushard(a)arvig.com>wrote: > I really think that once we know the outcome of the Cologix discussions we > need to put a spread sheet together laying out the proposed costs and go > over that at the next meeting. > > > > That gives everyone some time to think about how to approach the future > needs and make some proposals as to how to deal with those needs. > > > > Mike Bushard, Jr > | Network Engineer IV > | *Arvig* > > | 320.256.7471 Office > > > > *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf > Of *Jay Hanke > *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 10:24 AM > > *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Upgrade > > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Justin Krejci <jkrejci(a)usinternet.com> > wrote: > > I think the point of the question was > > "If MICE were to be actually paying for all of the currently > donated/loaned equipment and services... what is that dollar amount?" > > > > It's somewhere between 15k and 20k per year not including capital for > hardware, IP address acquisition or member labor. Keep in mind a $200/month > cross connect swings the total $2400/year. The colo agreement is currently > in negotiation, which is a major portion of the numbers above. > > > > I'm firmly in the "surplus" camp so our target should be above the numbers > above. > > > > Jay > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Mike Bushard, Jr

I really think that once we know the outcome of the Cologix discussions we need to put a spread sheet together laying out the proposed costs and go over that at the next meeting. That gives everyone some time to think about how to approach the future needs and make some proposals as to how to deal with those needs. Mike Bushard, Jr | Network Engineer IV | *Arvig* | 320.256.7471 Office *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf Of *Jay Hanke *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 10:24 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Upgrade On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Justin Krejci <jkrejci(a)usinternet.com> wrote: I think the point of the question was "If MICE were to be actually paying for all of the currently donated/loaned equipment and services... what is that dollar amount?" It's somewhere between 15k and 20k per year not including capital for hardware, IP address acquisition or member labor. Keep in mind a $200/month cross connect swings the total $2400/year. The colo agreement is currently in negotiation, which is a major portion of the numbers above. I'm firmly in the "surplus" camp so our target should be above the numbers above. Jay ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Jay Hanke

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Justin Krejci <jkrejci(a)usinternet.com>wrote: > ** > I think the point of the question was > > "If MICE were to be actually paying for all of the currently > donated/loaned equipment and services... what is that dollar amount?" > It's somewhere between 15k and 20k per year not including capital for hardware, IP address acquisition or member labor. Keep in mind a $200/month cross connect swings the total $2400/year. The colo agreement is currently in negotiation, which is a major portion of the numbers above. I'm firmly in the "surplus" camp so our target should be above the numbers above. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Justin Krejci

On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 14:46 +0000, Mike Horwath wrote: > Right now most everything is donated. > > I donated the first switch (ipHouse). > > Doug and Jay take care of switches, Doug has been doing the BGP setup. > > I still have one stats system running, USI has another (with weathermap laded). > > Nevin donated two physical servers that I set up got bird routers. > > Jay recruits people. > > Steve did DNS registration and hosting. > > FWR (now Cologix) gave/gives space and power. > > Nevin donates web space. > > And other things I missed. Numbers from ARIN (IP addresses currently from WIN/Airstream) > > Our costs for Mice? > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Justin Krejci

I think the point of the question was "If MICE were to be actually paying for all of the currently donated/loaned equipment and services... what is that dollar amount?" On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 09:42 -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Shaun Carlson > <shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com> wrote: > > Nevin, that's a great breakdown and thanks. I'm still curious, > however, as to what the actual underlying costs for the > exchange are today... > > > > Does anyone have that data? > > > Zero, everything is donated or on loan. > > > Jay > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Reid Fishler

The board is meeting with Cologix to explain how MICE is important to them. They do seem to get it... Reie On Jul 23, 2012 11:02 AM, "Matthew Beckwell" <matthewb(a)aitech.net> wrote: > Is there still a time limit on the FWR/Cologix space and power donation? > We could start by assuming we need to take over a rack and 2 power > circuits ourselves. > > $15,300 / Yr. If my price sheet is still accurate. > > ~Matthew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Mike Horwath > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:46 AM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Upgrade > > Right now most everything is donated. > > I donated the first switch (ipHouse). > > Doug and Jay take care of switches, Doug has been doing the BGP setup. > > I still have one stats system running, USI has another (with weathermap > laded). > > Nevin donated two physical servers that I set up got bird routers. > > Jay recruits people. > > Steve did DNS registration and hosting. > > FWR (now Cologix) gave/gives space and power. > > Nevin donates web space. > > And other things I missed. > > Our costs for Mice? > > -- > Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Matthew Beckwell

Is there still a time limit on the FWR/Cologix space and power donation? We could start by assuming we need to take over a rack and 2 power circuits ourselves. $15,300 / Yr. If my price sheet is still accurate. ~Matthew -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Horwath Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:46 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Juniper Upgrade Right now most everything is donated. I donated the first switch (ipHouse). Doug and Jay take care of switches, Doug has been doing the BGP setup. I still have one stats system running, USI has another (with weathermap laded). Nevin donated two physical servers that I set up got bird routers. Jay recruits people. Steve did DNS registration and hosting. FWR (now Cologix) gave/gives space and power. Nevin donates web space. And other things I missed. Our costs for Mice? -- Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Brian Mort

So what we would need to start then would be how much would that equipment have cost to purchase, how much is donated labor and etc. If MICE starts receiving 1/4 Million in annual revenue things would dramatically change. On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > Right now most everything is donated. > > I donated the first switch (ipHouse). > > Doug and Jay take care of switches, Doug has been doing the BGP setup. > > I still have one stats system running, USI has another (with weathermap > laded). > > Nevin donated two physical servers that I set up got bird routers. > > Jay recruits people. > > Steve did DNS registration and hosting. > > FWR (now Cologix) gave/gives space and power. > > Nevin donates web space. > > And other things I missed. > > Our costs for Mice? > > -- > Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > -- Brian Mort Network Engineer IV (ENA,ENS,ECDP) visit our website: arvig <http://www.arvig.com> (218) 346-8231 brian.mort(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Mike Horwath

Right now most everything is donated. I donated the first switch (ipHouse). Doug and Jay take care of switches, Doug has been doing the BGP setup. I still have one stats system running, USI has another (with weathermap laded). Nevin donated two physical servers that I set up got bird routers. Jay recruits people. Steve did DNS registration and hosting. FWR (now Cologix) gave/gives space and power. Nevin donates web space. And other things I missed. Our costs for Mice? -- Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Jay Hanke

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com>wrote: > Nevin, that's a great breakdown and thanks. I'm still curious, however, as > to what the actual underlying costs for the exchange are today... > > Does anyone have that data? > Zero, everything is donated or on loan. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012