July 2012 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: Port Fees Model

by Derek Hennekens

How will the pricing model take in to account the customers that connect through remote switches? Derek Hennekens MyTelepath 952-400-6000 -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:57 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Port Fees Model I've been getting peppered with calls this morning regarding port fees this morning. I posted a copy on my blog. I changed a couple of the assumptions mainly including hardware right away. http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=258 -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Port Fees Model

by Mike Horwath

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 02:21:01PM -0400, Reid Fishler wrote: > And my yacht. I need money for my yacht. Take me with you! -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Port Fees Model

by Reid Fishler

And my yacht. I need money for my yacht. Reid On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 02:05:47PM -0400, Reid Fishler wrote: > > How about legal fees? > > and $10 per month for a gig port isn't sustainable either :( > > Guess the steering committee need to get our asses in gear. > > -- > Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net > The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is > that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Port Fees Model

by Mike Horwath

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 02:05:47PM -0400, Reid Fishler wrote: > How about legal fees? and $10 per month for a gig port isn't sustainable either :( Guess the steering committee need to get our asses in gear. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Port Fees Model

by Reid Fishler

How about legal fees? Reid On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr <mike.bushard(a)arvig.com>wrote: > I think the IP fee's need to go up. ARIN "says" they are going to charge > for IPv6 next year. > > Mike Bushard, Jr > | Network Engineer IV > | Arvig > | 320.256.7471 Office > | 320.256.0178 Direct > | 320.429.0837 Mobile ** NEW NUMBER ** > | 320-256-7555 Fax > > > *** Please update your address book with my new work email: > mike.bushard(a)arvig.com *** > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of > Jay Hanke > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:57 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Port Fees Model > > I've been getting peppered with calls this morning regarding port fees > this morning. I posted a copy on my blog. > > I changed a couple of the assumptions mainly including hardware right > away. > > http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=258 > > -- > Jay Hanke > CTO, CCIE #19093 > Mankato Networks LLC > PO Box 54 > 619 S Front St > Mankato, MN 56001-3838 > Google 530-618-2398 > jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net > http://www.mankatonetworks.com > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > -- Reid Fishler Director Hurricane Electric +1-510-580-4178 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Port Fees Model

by Mike Bushard, Jr

I think the IP fee's need to go up. ARIN "says" they are going to charge for IPv6 next year. Mike Bushard, Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile ** NEW NUMBER ** | 320-256-7555 Fax *** Please update your address book with my new work email: mike.bushard(a)arvig.com *** -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:57 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Port Fees Model I've been getting peppered with calls this morning regarding port fees this morning. I posted a copy on my blog. I changed a couple of the assumptions mainly including hardware right away. http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=258 -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Port Fees Model

by Jay Hanke

I've been getting peppered with calls this morning regarding port fees this morning. I posted a copy on my blog. I changed a couple of the assumptions mainly including hardware right away. http://mankatonetworks.com/wordpress/?p=258 -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Mike Horwath

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:55:44AM -0500, Shaun Carlson wrote: > Agreed, this will help us all understand the costs and ensure we're > covering those and generating a reasonable surplus for equipment > purchases, etc... Expect 200 hours of work from 'volunteers'. Easily. Expect at least $70K in hardware alone. (need spares at some point, need maintenance contracts, need bird replacements if things break) yearly items: Expect at least $1200 for IP addresses plus another $500 for ASN. Expect at least ~$20K for colo fees (which MAY be waived by Cologix). Expect at least $2,400 for cross connect fees (which MAY be waived by Cologix). Expect to pay something, someday for bandwidth. And I am missing things I am sure. If this started up Jan, 2013 then we (MICE) would need, at least, $100,000 to do the year (all revolves around the hardware for the bulk of it if people keep volunteering time). There are also the UG meetings that need to be funded (even if someone else ends up taking the stage for their donation). If there really was 75% usage of the ports as was laid out - the $250K for the year in revenue would just about cover things. At that point, with that many 'customers', there will be a need to pay people for their work, volunteer won't cut it. Gear upgrades will need to be planned out. Time spent by the steering committee and any sub-committees (if formed and used) *may* need compensation as well. Then expansion has to happen. If $250K for 2013 happens, how does it grow if that doesn't cover everything? I mean, yes, I'd love to see this happen and it seems like a pipe dream. But all of this is a pipe dream. That's what makes it fun. I move to $75 per month for 1Gbps ports, $200 per month for 10Gbps ports. Those numbers seem fair and can support things today but won't necessarily allow for growth until the bank has some money (which is also close to zero dollars). -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Mike Horwath

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:10:45AM -0500, Justin Krejci wrote: > Numbers from ARIN (IP addresses currently from WIN/Airstream) THANKS! There is also ASN fees that were paid before I think. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012

Re: Juniper Upgrade

by Mike Horwath

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:54:39AM -0500, Brian Mort wrote: > So what we would need to start then would be how much would that > equipment have cost to purchase, how much is donated labor and > etc. If MICE starts receiving 1/4 Million in annual revenue things > would dramatically change. So, EX4500 is ~20-22K each. EX4200 is ~4,500 each. To do what Nevin brought up has a capital cost of ~$60K not counting implementation time. Consider time to be ~$100 per hour minimum and ~80 hours were spent this year already. Rack is ~$1,300 (as was already mentioned) per month. There is a lot of fixation on things right now about 'what is MICE making' or 'how much does MICE need'. Nevin and Jay have both put out some items. Juniper is willing to do some donation upgrade stuff but will cost real dollars (under $5K with $3K maybe already donated). The point is - free ride is coming to a close, to grow MICE we need revenue for MICE. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

July 23, 2012