October 2012 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: New cost breakdown worksheet

by Mike Horwath

On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 11:22:07AM -0500, Shaun Carlson wrote: > Richard Laager from Wikstrom Telephone and I have put together a > spreadsheet (see link below) detailing the cost breakdown and potential fee > structures for MICE. I've highlighted the input fields in orange (you're > welcome Mike H) and would encourage you to review the values and > assumptions annotated within the sheet. I am so excited. Thanks you two! (and for the orange) -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 5, 2012

New cost breakdown worksheet

by Shaun Carlson

All, Richard Laager from Wikstrom Telephone and I have put together a spreadsheet (see link below) detailing the cost breakdown and potential fee structures for MICE. I've highlighted the input fields in orange (you're welcome Mike H) and would encourage you to review the values and assumptions annotated within the sheet. MICE Cost Breakdown, Oct 2012.xlsx <http://db.tt/aJCZNXGz> This spreadsheet proposes fees based on the current costs of the exchange. While slightly simplistic (e.g. no effort was made to account for inflation), this seemed like a reasonable and mostly-objective path to calculating the first year of fees. These costs assume that labor is still donated. The space and power costs are included, even though they're currently donated for 3 years; the effect of this will be to build up reserves. These reserves would be to allow for unforeseen events as well as growth (e.g. adding another switch if we run out of ports). The hardware costs of the existing switches are included as well, even though the switches are already paid for. This will build up funding to buy the next generation of switches (40G or 100G). Yearly, the Board of Governors ("steering committee") needs to update (or review the work of a committee which has updated) the inputs to cost projections. After this first year, since the "expected life" will be one year less, the hardware purchase costs will need to be updated to account for costs already recovered. For example, pretend we had only one switch that cost $10,000, support costs $1,000/year, and we expect to install then next generation switch in 5 years. The methods used in the spreadsheet would show we need to recover: 10000 / 5 + 1000 = $3000/year. Next year, if we are still exactly on, the fees don't change. Since we recovered $2,000 in the first year, we now need to recover: 8000 / 4 + 1000 = $3000/year. As the best estimates (for the cost of the next generation of switch and the remaining time until such a switch is necessary) are updated, the costs will go up or down. Additionally, Richard and I discussed some policy notes and considerations and wanted to include the following for your review and comment as well. *POLICY PROPOSALS:* *General * The term "Resources" refers to physical or logical resources such as IP addresses, ports, etc. In the 4th quarter, the rates for Resources for the upcoming year shall be fixed by the Board of Governors. The new rates shall take effect on January 1. Future policy action may define a Grace Period (e.g. for new members) during which fees are waived. This Grace Period is separate from, and in addition to, the "one month" references below. *Prorating * Annual rates shall be prorated by months only. Resources connected on or before the 15th of a month shall be billed effective the 1st of that month. Resources connected after the 15th shall be billed effective the 1st of the next month. No refunds shall be given for disconnections. Credit is only given during migrations, as provided below. *Migrations * Additional resources utilized during MICE-initiated migrations are not billable provided the member complies with MICE's timetable for that migration. Members upgrading (not downgrading) the type (speed) of their ports (e.g. one or more 1G ports to one or more 10G ports) shall be prorated the difference between the port costs. If the difference is negative, the credit may be carried forward up to one year. During the period of overlap between the sets of ports, one month's overlap of the cheaper set shall be credited; if there is less than one month of overlap, no overlapping charges apply. *IPs * Upon application, a new member shall be assigned one set of one IPv4 address and one IPv6 address. The IPs are billable one month after the route servers are configured (unless the member opts out of multi-lateral peering) and the member is notified of the assignment. Additional IPv4 and IPv6 addresse sets are billable at the same rate as the first set. Members may not be assigned more than two sets of addresses without future policy action. *Ports * Ports are billable once configured and the member is notified of the assignment, except that ports assigned to new members are billable one month later. *Transceivers * Transceivers (SFP, SFP+, etc.), when required for ports, must be purchased from MICE or provided by the member. If purchased from MICE, no Grace Period applies. If provided, the transceiver must meet MICE's requirements, which may include a manufacturer or manufacturer compatibility specification for switch support reasons. Transceivers (once paid for) remain the property of the member. Feel free to play around with the numbers and understand the cost breakdowns for yourself. Let us know if you have questions regarding the sheet or the included calculations/assumptions. Thanks! s *Shaun Carlson *Senior Network Engineer | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | contact: protocol.by/scarlson em: shaun.carlson(a)arvig.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 5, 2012

Re: New MICE SC Member

by Mike Horwath

On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 06:33:23AM -0500, John Unger wrote: > Congratulations Shaun!!! +1 Looking forward to that fee summary posted to the list with the spreadsheet so people can play with their own ideas. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 4, 2012

Re: New MICE SC Member

by John Unger

Congratulations Shaun!!! Minneapolis | Alexandria | St. Cloud John Unger President d: 612.238.1601 c: 612.325.2909 john(a)vaultas.com www.vaultas.com This message is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any misdirected transmission. If you received this message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 612.325.2909 and immediately delete this message from your system. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, distribute or copy any part of this message. -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:16 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] New MICE SC Member Please congratulate Shaun Carlson of Arvig as the new MICE Steering Committee Member. Shaun will be serving a three year term ending in Fall 2015. Shaun replaces Mike Horwath of ipHouse. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 4, 2012

New MICE SC Member

by Jay Hanke

Please congratulate Shaun Carlson of Arvig as the new MICE Steering Committee Member. Shaun will be serving a three year term ending in Fall 2015. Shaun replaces Mike Horwath of ipHouse. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 4, 2012

Re: Finance committee set

by Mike Hemphill

$750 per cab and $510 for 120v 20 amp a&b power Mike Hemphill General Manager - Minneapolis 612-333-1922 office 612-812-5242 cell mike.hemphill(a)cologix.com Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G phone On Oct 3, 2012 4:13 PM, "Mike Horwath" <drechsau(a)iphouse.net> wrote: > New spreadsheet oncoming about costs and revenue needs for MICE. > > Thanks guys! > > EX4200-24-T $1900 > EX4200-48-T $4200 > EX4500 $19,500 > > Max virtual chassis config is 10 EX4200 series or 2 EX4200 + EX4500 series. > > Maintenance fees were in another message and I hope we can keep the > discount long term. > > Cologix will be approximately $1600 per month for a rack and A+B power at > 20A (Mr. Hemphill please correct me). > > Is figure three years for ROI. Two years may be better depending on growth > plans to cover updates. > > -- > Mike, via phone > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 3, 2012

Finance committee set

by Mike Horwath

New spreadsheet oncoming about costs and revenue needs for MICE. Thanks guys! EX4200-24-T $1900 EX4200-48-T $4200 EX4500 $19,500 Max virtual chassis config is 10 EX4200 series or 2 EX4200 + EX4500 series. Maintenance fees were in another message and I hope we can keep the discount long term. Cologix will be approximately $1600 per month for a rack and A+B power at 20A (Mr. Hemphill please correct me). Is figure three years for ROI. Two years may be better depending on growth plans to cover updates. -- Mike, via phone ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 3, 2012

Re: Please welcome Savage Communications to MICE

by Doug McIntyre

On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 01:50:30PM -0500, Jay Hanke wrote: > Here is the IP assignment: > > Savage Communications > ASN 23260 > Secondary IP: 69.147.218.17 (temp) > Primary IP: 206.108.255.17 > Secondary IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::17 (temp) > Primary IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:5ADC::1 > > SCI will peer with the route servers at: > > 206.108.255.1 > 206.108.255.2 > 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::1 > 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::2 > > Please configure the route servers. Sure, all set, ready to go. Welcome aboard! -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 3, 2012

Please welcome Savage Communications to MICE

by Jay Hanke

Here is the IP assignment: Savage Communications ASN 23260 Secondary IP: 69.147.218.17 (temp) Primary IP: 206.108.255.17 Secondary IPv6: 2607:fe10:ffff::17 (temp) Primary IPv6: 2001:504:27:0:0:5ADC::1 SCI will peer with the route servers at: 206.108.255.1 206.108.255.2 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::1 2001:504:27:0:0:D1AF::2 Please configure the route servers. Thanks! -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 3, 2012

MICE Legal Documents

by Jay Hanke

The legal documents we will be talking about in the meeting are available here: http://mankatonetworks.com/MICE/MICE-Legal-Info.zip These are in MS-Word format. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke(a)mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 3, 2012