April 2011 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: MICE Traffic

by Mike Horwath

On 4/18/11 8:37 AM, "Anthony Anderberg" <anthonyanderberg(a)NU-TELECOM.NET> wrote: >> How close are we to having an aggregate graph ready? > >Mike and I kind of got lost in the weeds of creating >a weathermap-style view, I spent a few cycles on it >this weekend though - I'm optimistic we'll have something >together in the next couple weeks, esp since everyone >is looking. :-) > >> http://stats.net.wisc.edu/madix.html > >That's on my list of views to fiddle with as well. > >While we're on the subject, how close are we to polling >stats off our switch in Mankato space? Just need IP and SNMP community (RO of course) and I'll get'er done. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 18, 2011

Re: Akamai IP address space

by Andrew Hoyos

On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Jay Hanke wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Owen DeLong <owend(a)he.net> wrote: >> I suggest applying to ARIN under Critical Infrastructure. > > That would by far be the best option. It's just difficult to line up > donations to pay the initial fees. Maybe someone on the list will see > this and make things happen. > > We're going to need to address the issue at some point. We're on > borrowed address space right now. Including the folks from the MKEIX exchange in Milwaukee too, would there be any interest in trying to split a /24? I think between the two groups, we could likely drum up the $1250 in donations very easily. We (MKEIX) are in need of some address space as well for our exchange. I think we've got options for temporary addresses, but it sure would be nice to not renumber later. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 18, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Andrew Hoyos

On Apr 18, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Anthony Anderberg wrote: >> How close are we to having an aggregate graph ready? > > Mike and I kind of got lost in the weeds of creating > a weathermap-style view, I spent a few cycles on it > this weekend though - I'm optimistic we'll have something > together in the next couple weeks, esp since everyone > is looking. :-) If you haven't already taken a look, I'd strongly recommend the "aggregate" plugin for Cacti. I think I mentioned this here a while back too. That way: - data is only being collected once - there is no worry about trying to preserve historical data between two systems (everything is in Cacti already from the inception of the exchange) - only one system to maintain There is also a weathermap plugin for cacti, that makes creating a MadIX style weathermap very simply, using the same data. Also, just curious, what is the resolution of the current graphs? Every 1 min? Or longer? How long is the data being retained? It might be good to make some tweaks, so a decent resolution of the data beyond the Cacti defaults is retained. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 18, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Anthony Anderberg

> How close are we to having an aggregate graph ready? Mike and I kind of got lost in the weeds of creating a weathermap-style view, I spent a few cycles on it this weekend though - I'm optimistic we'll have something together in the next couple weeks, esp since everyone is looking. :-) > http://stats.net.wisc.edu/madix.html That's on my list of views to fiddle with as well. While we're on the subject, how close are we to polling stats off our switch in Mankato space? Cheers, Anthony Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst NU-Telecom 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg(a)nu-telecom.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 18, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Jay Hanke

> Perhaps I should run up RTG along side it and use it specifically to > create aggregate graphs. > > Otherwise I could create one in Cacti, just gonna take time to get all of > the data points added to the data source and the upkeep won't be much fun. Whatever is easiest to set up. It would be nice to have something fairly soon so we can show off the hockey stick graph. jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 17, 2011

Re: Akamai IP address space

by Owen DeLong

On Apr 16, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Mike Horwath wrote: > On 4/16/11 10:59 AM, "Owen DeLong" <owend(a)HE.NET> wrote: > >> On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Mike Horwath wrote: >> >>> On 4/15/11 8:40 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >>> >>>>> Is our hope that if we can get one CDN to hook up the rest will follow >>>>> on their own? >>>>> It might be a little more palatable if we think about it with a long >>>>> view. >>>> >>>> Indirectly yes. There are a number of local networks that won't >>>> connect unless we have one of the big cdns available on the exchange. >>>> There are cdns that won't connect until we have more local networks >>>> connected. >>> >>> I love the 'community'. >>> >> No sarcasm, there, right? ;-) > > I actually do love the community that it can be. Most of my sarcasm comes > from my next paragraph. > I think you may have misunderstood my meaning there. I wasn't questioning your love for the community so much as agreeing with your despair over some actions the community is considering. >>> I mean, unless my demands are met, I can not join your community even if >>> it would benefit myself and the community, now leave me alone while I >>> check out this new pile of sand and figure out what is underneath. >>> >> Yeah, not a particularly community-spirited attitude. I agree with you. > > Right and my sarcasm should be a very big LART. > Agreed. >>> I am not interested in kowtowing further for CDNs or begging for >>> networks >>> to connect when they say they would and still haven't after 6+ months. >>> >> Lol > > Yah, I was doing the lol for a while. > >>> Some seem to have forgotten about this idea of interconnecting locally >>> for >>> the benefit of their downstream customers, whether that is a student, >>> another company who isn't multi-homed, or their employees. >>> >> That is unfortunate. Obviously we (Hurricane Electric) feel that there is >> extensive value in connecting to various exchanges. I believe we've been >> routing traffic via MICE since shortly after our network arrived in >> Minneapolis. > > Correct. > > Your network was lit and very quickly you were connected. > > Yet there are others, on this list, that are literally just down the aisle > and haven't connected yet. > That's unfortunate. I have to wonder why they would pass up such an opportunity. > HE deserves some kudos. Thank you! > We're happy to be there. We see value in the exchange and we're benefitting from being connected. We should be thanking those who got it organized and established. >>> How many on this list: >>> >>> Are connected... >>> >> Yep... Check! >> >>> Have an Akamai cluster today... >>> >> Uh, no comment due to NDA. (see question 4) >> >>> Either have static assignments logged with Akamai or use a silent BGP >>> feed... >>> >> I'm not sure I: >> 1. Understand the question completely >> 2. Could answer it if I did. > > Ah, old ays Akamai wanted to know your blocks so they could add them to > the database. > > Newish way is to do a silent BGP session with them that pushes the > networks you wish to have in their database. > > When I ran the network for VISI, we were doing option #1 (site number 97!). > > For ipHouse - we are doing option 2. > OK... Now I mostly understand the question. I can't answer it in our case. >>> Are willing to plug in networks received over the route servers into >>> their >>> configuration for their Akamai cluster config... >>> >> I think you'd like my answer if I could give it, but, it is neither yes >> nor no >> because the question doesn't fit the parameters of our particular >> situation. > > Hopefully my clarification helps. > The clarification helps my understanding. The question still doesn't fit the parameters of our particular situation with regard to Akamai. >>> ipHouse answer: Yes to all 4 >>> >>> If enough others do this, then we'll have a redundant array of Akamai >>> servers reachable over the interconnections we have put in place as >>> being >>> part of MICE. >>> >> I think that's a great idea. >> >> I also think it would be worth encouraging Akamai to deploy a shared >> resource for the exchange, possibly allowing them to reclaim some or all >> of the resources they have deployed within member networks, providing >> benefit to the community and to Akamai. > > I'd be down with that as well. > >>> And if you think they are going to sit back because things are already >>> in >>> place... I don't think so, and that's because my little cluster I have >>> in >>> my data center won't sustain the total traffic, neither will yours, and >>> as >>> customers complain, Akamai (the example used right now) will hear about >>> it >>> and want to do something about it. >>> >> That might also be true, it might not. I'm happy to have a more detailed >> discussion with you off-list. > > Your place or mine, big boy? > lol... Look for an off-list reply from me shortly. >>> My rant is over, whatever the community wants to do is fine by me, but >>> as >>> one of the steering committee members, I am backing off from this issue >>> that is of minor importance to me. >>> >>> I find it would be far more important for those networks that stated >>> they >>> were going to connect to get off of their butts and connect. >>> >> I agree with you 100% here. >> >>> You know who you are...500Mbps of aggregate traffic already and growing, >>> don't you want to be on the ground floor of the community so you can say >>> 'I was there when it started'? >>> >> Yep... And if anyone connecting today can say that, I'm pretty sure that >> I can, >> too. ;-) > > Beat that chest, you deserve it as one of the reps from HE. Others from > HE on the list, here is my back clapping for you as well. > While I appreciate the compliments, my intent was more to point out to others that haven't yet connected that there is real value here with or without Akamai. My intent was to lead by example rather than boast. Owen ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 17, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Andrew Hoyos

> > Owen - What would it take to get HE to build out to MadIX/Madison? I know several folks who'd be interested in getting transit and there are no port fees at the exchange. +1 for HE bits in Madison and/or Milwaukee, for the HE folks on the list - I'm sure we could drum up enough gig ports for you guys to make it worthwhile! FWIW, a small group of us are also in the process of building an exchange in Milwaukee, similar to MICE and MadIX. Brocade has donated us a pair of switches to run the exchange, and we should be ready for (free) cross connects after next week. For more info on the MKE-IX, see the website (www.mkeix.net - more to come soon), and join the discussion lists (http://lists.mkeix.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo) Or, feel free to contact me for more info too... Thanks! Andrew -- Andrew Hoyos Hoyos Consulting LLC ofc: +1 608 616 9950 andrew(a)hoyosconsulting.com www.hoyosconsulting.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 17, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Mike Horwath

On 4/16/11 4:28 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: >> It might be a good time to confirm the group's feelings on >> this - at the moment we're planning to have an aggregate >> graph that's public and graphs/views available to all of >> us that show everyone's traffic; theory being that sunshine >> makes for good neighbors. > >How close are we to having an aggregate graph ready? Built from Cacti? None created. Perhaps I should run up RTG along side it and use it specifically to create aggregate graphs. Otherwise I could create one in Cacti, just gonna take time to get all of the data points added to the data source and the upkeep won't be much fun. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 16, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Jay Hanke

> It might be a good time to confirm the group's feelings on > this - at the moment we're planning to have an aggregate > graph that's public and graphs/views available to all of > us that show everyone's traffic; theory being that sunshine > makes for good neighbors. How close are we to having an aggregate graph ready? Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 16, 2011

Re: MICE Traffic

by Reid Fishler

HE buildouts are my department...Ill chat with you offline... Reid On Apr 16, 2011 5:23 PM, "James Stahr" <stahr(a)mailbag.com> wrote: > At 10:53 AM 4/15/2011, you wrote: >> > The graphs aren't really public right now. IIRC, we're planning >> > to publish the aggregate graph as soon as that is created. >> >>It might be a good time to confirm the group's feelings on >>this - at the moment we're planning to have an aggregate >>graph that's public and graphs/views available to all of >>us that show everyone's traffic; theory being that sunshine >>makes for good neighbors. >> >>Silence will be interpreted as enthusiastic support for >>the current plan. > > How about something like this: > > <http://stats.net.wisc.edu/madix.html>http://stats.net.wisc.edu/madix.html > > > Some people might not like to have that information public, but I for > one don't care. > > Owen - What would it take to get HE to build out to MadIX/Madison? I > know several folks who'd be interested in getting transit and there > are no port fees at the exchange. > > > -James > CDW Technologies > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

April 16, 2011