October 2011 - mice-discuss - lists.micemn.net

Re: MICE Port Fees

by Hannigan, Martin

What is the funding model of the exchange now? Best, -M< On 10/12/11 4:30 PM, "Jay Hanke" <jayhanke(a)MANKATONETWORKS.NET> wrote: I'd like to hear discussion on charging initial and upgrade one time fees to MICE members needing additional or new ports on the main switch. Perhaps something like: 1G $250 (+optic) 10G $1500 (+optic) We would use the money to operate the exchange. Jay ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 12, 2011

MICE Port Fees

by Jay Hanke

I'd like to hear discussion on charging initial and upgrade one time fees to MICE members needing additional or new ports on the main switch. Perhaps something like: 1G $250 (+optic) 10G $1500 (+optic) We would use the money to operate the exchange. Jay ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 12, 2011

Re: New MICE Looking Glass

by Steve Howard

On 10/11/2011 09:14 AM, Mike Horwath wrote: > This whole DNS thing on a router discussion is funny. It was a logical discussion to determine what is best for MICE. I'm sorry if you find it insignificant, but I'm glad that you found humor in it. > I can use DNS to figure out an area for the IP in question... > > I can enter said IP into a separate query afterwards to find an area in question... > > Which is faster for finding the info I am looking for? Be realistic. > > I have used DNS in my routers and switches since IOS supported such. Funny, so has Doug :) > > Sure, you can add latency to your output but it doesn't slow the packets down, and I sure as hell cannot memorize the Internet to figure out which city I am in or which provider I'm crossing. > > That extra few ms here and there still outruns copy/paste click submit every time. > Do a traceroute that has a few hops that haven't set up their PTR records properly. (Or in a VRF with no DNS, etc). You will wait a while for each hop to resolve. You are correct in that it doesn't slow the packets down on the network. However, it greatly delays the time between packets. It changes from a few ms to several seconds per hop (default timeout can be changed with "ip domain timeout"). Add this up for a couple of hops and you must be really slow at copy/paste for it to be worse. I know that everyone should have all of their PTR records setup properly, but it doesn't happen that way in the real world. > Perhaps a company could run dedicatd nameservers for their networking gear, or just run better nameservers on their infrastructure. Dedicated/better name servers won't solve anything when there is no valid PTR record. > Yah, i know that sounds condescending but I don't know a better way to phrase this this morning. > MICE is made up of many members that operate in different areas of the "tech" industry. What may seem best for your particular industry segment may not be the "best fit" for the majority of MICE members or the internet community. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 11, 2011

Re: New MICE Looking Glass

by Mike Horwath

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:06:14AM -0400, Owen DeLong wrote: > I find the extra SECONDS, not ms, that it takes when things don't > resolve, especially when it's an IOS typo command that IOS tries to > turn into a host name for telnet, for example to be far more > annoying than the numeric (which is usually what I want if I'm on a > router or looking glass anyway) output in trace routes. <snarky comment removed about not doing typos> :) We each have our reasons one way or another, and for MICE, I really don't care. -- Mike Horwath ipHouse - Welcome home! drechsau(a)iphouse.net The universe is an island, surrounded by whatever it is that surrounds universes. - Berkeley Fortune ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 11, 2011

Re: New MICE Looking Glass

by Owen DeLong

I find the extra SECONDS, not ms, that it takes when things don't resolve, especially when it's an IOS typo command that IOS tries to turn into a host name for telnet, for example to be far more annoying than the numeric (which is usually what I want if I'm on a router or looking glass anyway) output in trace routes. Owen Sent from my iPad On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:14, Mike Horwath <drechsau(a)IPHOUSE.NET> wrote: > This whole DNS thing on a router discussion is funny. > > I can use DNS to figure out an area for the IP in question... > > I can enter said IP into a separate query afterwards to find an area in question... > > Which is faster for finding the info I am looking for? Be realistic. > > I have used DNS in my routers and switches since IOS supported such. Funny, so has Doug :) > > Sure, you can add latency to your output but it doesn't slow the packets down, and I sure as hell cannot memorize the Internet to figure out which city I am in or which provider I'm crossing. > > That extra few ms here and there still outruns copy/paste click submit every time. > > Perhaps a company could run dedicatd nameservers for their networking gear, or just run better nameservers on their infrastructure. Yah, i know that sounds condescending but I don't know a better way to phrase this this morning. > > -- > Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 11, 2011

Re: New MICE Looking Glass

by Mike Horwath

This whole DNS thing on a router discussion is funny. I can use DNS to figure out an area for the IP in question... I can enter said IP into a separate query afterwards to find an area in question... Which is faster for finding the info I am looking for? Be realistic. I have used DNS in my routers and switches since IOS supported such. Funny, so has Doug :) Sure, you can add latency to your output but it doesn't slow the packets down, and I sure as hell cannot memorize the Internet to figure out which city I am in or which provider I'm crossing. That extra few ms here and there still outruns copy/paste click submit every time. Perhaps a company could run dedicatd nameservers for their networking gear, or just run better nameservers on their infrastructure. Yah, i know that sounds condescending but I don't know a better way to phrase this this morning. -- Mike Horwath via iPad 2, electric boogaloo! ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 11, 2011

Re: New MICE Looking Glass

by Steve Howard

I would prefer that we do not enable DNS lookups. We disable them in all of our devices due to the delays that they can cause, especially with traceroutes. Steve On 10/10/2011 09:44 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > There's no DNS resolution set up on that router -- is that a BCP, or something that can be added? > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:31 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] New MICE Looking Glass > > I just wanted to let everyone know that MICE now has a public looking glass. I donated an old Cisco 7120 Router, and Doug from the ipHouse configured/installed it, as well as provided internet access to it. You can look at the routes by telneting to route-server.micemn.net The username is provided in the log in banner. > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > Main: 612-355-7740 > Direct: 612-392-6814 > E-Fax: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 11, 2011

Re: New MICE Looking Glass

by Owen DeLong

It's a BCP. Waiting for DNS when it doesn't resolve is the last thing you want to do with a looking glass and numeric results are usually far more useful anyway. Owen On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > There's no DNS resolution set up on that router -- is that a BCP, or something that can be added? > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:31 PM > To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET > Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] New MICE Looking Glass > > I just wanted to let everyone know that MICE now has a public looking glass. I donated an old Cisco 7120 Router, and Doug from the ipHouse configured/installed it, as well as provided internet access to it. You can look at the routes by telneting to route-server.micemn.net The username is provided in the log in banner. > > Jeremy Lumby > Minnesota VoIP > 9217 17th Ave S > Suite 216 > Bloomington, MN 55425 > Main: 612-355-7740 > Direct: 612-392-6814 > E-Fax: 952-873-7425 > jlumby(a)mnvoip.com > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: > http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 11, 2011

Re: New MICE Looking Glass

by Doug McIntyre

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 09:44:20PM -0500, Frank Bulk wrote: > There's no DNS resolution set up on that router -- is that a BCP, or something that can be added? I don't think DNS lookups are too much a security risk. I thought I had them on. This particular platform seems to default to 'no ip domain-lookup' whereas most of the platforms I config default to it being enabled. Such is the oddness of Cisco sometimes. There are some other things taken out on purpose. Some hard limits put in place, and a bit of protection. But not super restricted on all the weird and numerous commands that cisco routers have by default at that privilege level. If you find anything egregarious, let me know and I'll config it out. But I'm not too worried about perhaps some weird LAT connect attempts out to somewhere (since its not a routable protocol.. :) -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 11, 2011

Re: New MICE Looking Glass

by Justin Krejci

The possibility of of hijacking your DNS queries goes up from zero to nonzero when enabling DNS lookups on the router also it can cause delays on some commands when their are DNS resolution issues. Unless you have a specific reason to have DNS lookups enabled on a cisco, I prefer to have DNS lookups disabled. I didn't check what all commands are allowed with the rviews account but it could be locked down pretty tight to only the various show commands specific to BGP routing data. ------Original Message------ From: Frank Bulk Sender: MICE Discuss To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET ReplyTo: MICE Discuss Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] New MICE Looking Glass Sent: Oct 10, 2011 9:44 PM There's no DNS resolution set up on that router -- is that a BCP, or something that can be added? Frank -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jeremy Lumby Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:31 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS(a)LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] New MICE Looking Glass I just wanted to let everyone know that MICE now has a public looking glass. I donated an old Cisco 7120 Router, and Doug from the ipHouse configured/installed it, as well as provided internet access to it. You can look at the routes by telneting to route-server.micemn.net The username is provided in the log in banner. Jeremy Lumby Minnesota VoIP 9217 17th Ave S Suite 216 Bloomington, MN 55425 Main: 612-355-7740 Direct: 612-392-6814 E-Fax: 952-873-7425 jlumby(a)mnvoip.com ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1

Oct. 11, 2011