There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch. We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Should we just move the GigaPOP and HE to the main switch? On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net>wrote:
There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch.
We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch.
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At the peak traffic levels (~9.75G) the main MICE switch was showing egress queue drops so that link is definitely constraining full use of the exchange. Moving the GigaPoP and Hurricane's links to the main switch seems like the cleanest technical solution now that we've got plenty of 10G interfaces on the main switch. I see the link from the Akamai cluster was above 9.5G too. It's possible that could be the next bottleneck for full utilization of the exchange (and of Akamai's cluster). We certainly know that there will be more iOS upgrades in the future. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:11 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues Should we just move the GigaPOP and HE to the main switch? On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net<mailto:jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net>> wrote: There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch. We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398<tel:530-618-2398> jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net<mailto:jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net> http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Mike Bushard Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile | 320.256.7555 Fax [http://ipstats.arvig.net/arviglogo.jpeg] ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 07:39:52PM +0000, Anthony Anderberg wrote:
I see the link from the Akamai cluster was above 9.5G too. It's possible that could be the next bottleneck for full utilization of the exchange (and of Akamai's cluster). We certainly know that there will be more iOS upgrades in the future.
It looks like Akamai is climbing up to just about 7Gbps peaks during normal times, which should probably be a trigger to get dual 10G to them.. Besides the large flow of Akamai->Gigapop/State of MN, it looks just like going from Akamai's spikes, that the next biggest consumers all around of Akamai output is about 600-700Mbps all on the main switch, unless that ~2Gbps spike out to HE was related to Akamai traffic. I don't think HE is too big a factor, but Gigapop & Akamai should probably live on one switch, and we should talk to Akamai to double up the connection. -- Doug McIntyre <merlyn@iphouse.net> -- ipHouse/Goldengate/Bitstream/ProNS -- Network Engineer/Provisioning/Jack of all Trades ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes.
It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at the main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to support the bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, for now, the single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine.
Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody?
If Akamai is pushing over 10 Gbps, then it seems like the answer is 2 connections (link agg or not, depending on their setup) to the main switch. -- Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Does anyone have a good diagram to represent the current connections? s *Shaun Carlson *Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson@arvig.com On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager@wiktel.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes.
It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at the main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to support the bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, for now, the single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine.
Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody?
If Akamai is pushing over 10 Gbps, then it seems like the answer is 2 connections (link agg or not, depending on their setup) to the main switch.
-- Richard
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http://micelg.usinternet.com/cacti/plugins/weathermap/weathermap-cacti-plugi... or just log into the cacti server (guest/guest) and click "Weathermap" tab at the top. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss [MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] on behalf of Shaun Carlson [shaun.carlson@ARVIG.COM] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:53 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues Does anyone have a good diagram to represent the current connections? s Shaun Carlson Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson@arvig.com<mailto:shaun.carlson@arvig.com> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager@wiktel.com<mailto:rlaager@wiktel.com>> wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes.
It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at the main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to support the bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, for now, the single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine.
Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody?
If Akamai is pushing over 10 Gbps, then it seems like the answer is 2 connections (link agg or not, depending on their setup) to the main switch. -- Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
The topology is laid out pretty well in Anthony's Weathermap on the MICE traffic server. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson@arvig.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a good diagram to represent the current connections?
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager@wiktel.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes.
It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at the main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to support the bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, for now, the single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine.
Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody?
If Akamai is pushing over 10 Gbps, then it seems like the answer is 2 connections (link agg or not, depending on their setup) to the main switch.
-- Richard
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Ever get into one of those mind-sets where you're thinking visio and nothing else seems like a network map? ;) Thanks guys s *Shaun Carlson *Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson@arvig.com On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net>wrote:
The topology is laid out pretty well in Anthony's Weathermap on the MICE traffic server.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson@arvig.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a good diagram to represent the current connections?
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager@wiktel.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes.
It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at the main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to support the bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, for now, the single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine.
Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody?
If Akamai is pushing over 10 Gbps, then it seems like the answer is 2 connections (link agg or not, depending on their setup) to the main switch.
-- Richard
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I've had it the other way around - waiting patiently for a mouse-over to popup a traffic graph on a Visio diagram. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Shaun Carlson Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:58 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues Ever get into one of those mind-sets where you're thinking visio and nothing else seems like a network map? ;) Thanks guys s Shaun Carlson Network Engineering Manager | Arvig ph: (218) 346-8673 | em: shaun.carlson@arvig.com<mailto:shaun.carlson@arvig.com> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net<mailto:jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net>> wrote: The topology is laid out pretty well in Anthony's Weathermap on the MICE traffic server. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Shaun Carlson <shaun.carlson@arvig.com<mailto:shaun.carlson@arvig.com>> wrote:
Does anyone have a good diagram to represent the current connections?
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager@wiktel.com<mailto:rlaager@wiktel.com>> wrote:
On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes.
It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at the main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to support the bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, for now, the single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine.
Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody?
If Akamai is pushing over 10 Gbps, then it seems like the answer is 2 connections (link agg or not, depending on their setup) to the main switch.
-- Richard
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On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Richard Laager <rlaager@WIKTEL.COM> wrote:
On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:47 -0500, Steve Howard wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes.
It seems to me like it'd make more sense to have the big networks at the main switch, since then the connection to CNS only needs to support the bandwidth needs of CNS and others on that switch. Thus, for now, the single 10Gig between the CNS switch and main switch should be fine.
I agree. Move them to the main switch as it gets it closer to more participants. Optics may just move and be compatible. Agree on the LAG/LACP config for Akamai as well *on the main switch*. -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau@Geeks.ORG ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
I don't recall what model switch the CNS unit is – are they X2 based ports or SFP+ ? If SFP+ I bet the Juniper switch would be OK with Cisco modules. Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:47 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes. Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody? On 09/18/2013 02:10 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: Should we just move the GigaPOP and HE to the main switch? On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jay Hanke <jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net<mailto:jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net>> wrote: There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch. We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398<tel:530-618-2398> jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net<mailto:jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net> http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Mike Bushard Jr | Network Engineer IV | Arvig | 320.256.7471 Office | 320.256.0178 Direct | 320.429.0837 Mobile | 320.256.7555 Fax [http://ipstats.arvig.net/arviglogo.jpeg] ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
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I don't recall what model switch the CNS unit is – are they X2 based ports or SFP+ ?****
If SFP+ I bet the Juniper switch would be OK with Cisco modules.****
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Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes.
Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody?
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Should we just move the GigaPOP and HE to the main switch?****
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There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch.
We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch.
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Guessing Akamai/Hurricane are using LR X2 optics over single mode? If they're running SR over multi I might have some extra 10Gb SFP+ Cisco brand optics. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Steve Howard <showard@paulbunyan.net>wrote:
It is a Cisco WS-C3560E-12D. It has qty 12 X2 10Gig ports. (Or 2x1Gig ports when using the TwinGig adapter).
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I don't recall what model switch the CNS unit is – are they X2 based ports or SFP+ ?****
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Wouldn't it make more sense to move Akamai to the CNS switch? i.e. Move one instead of two? The GigaPOP and HE both purchased their optics, so that could also become a factor in any changes.
Can Akamai connect to both switches at a 10Gig level? Perhaps that would be easier than moving anybody?
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Should we just move the GigaPOP and HE to the main switch?****
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There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch.
We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch.
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iOS update releases will do that to ya'... -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:06 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] MICE Congestion Issues There appears to be some intermittent congestion issues on MICE right now between the Main switch and the CNS remote switch. We may need to move a link (or two) to the main switch. -- Jay Hanke CTO, CCIE #19093 Mankato Networks LLC PO Box 54 619 S Front St Mankato, MN 56001-3838 Google 530-618-2398 jayhanke@mankatonetworks.net http://www.mankatonetworks.com http://www.neutralpath.net ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
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Steve Howard