Better question is why is our port usage public information. Jay? On Dec 4, 2013, at 21:58, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> wrote: What’s the reason for heavier Akamai usage the last three mornings? <image001.png> Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Dan Olsen Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:48 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test With schools closing in the southwest and snow statewide will this be the bandwidth test for MICE. We are seeing increased usage and the kids are still on the way home. My 6th graders teacher gave the class a snow day assignment to research blizzards in Minnesota!!!! Stay Safe Everyone Dan Olsen General Manager Windomnet City OF Windom & Southwest MN Broadband Services 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Only the total of the ports is posted publicly on the website. All the other graphs require a login. www.micemn.net Traffic is good keep, it coming! On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Hannigan, Martin <marty@akamai.com> wrote:
Better question is why is our port usage public information.
Jay?
On Dec 4, 2013, at 21:58, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM> wrote:
What’s the reason for heavier Akamai usage the last three mornings?
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Frank
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With schools closing in the southwest and snow statewide will this be the bandwidth test for MICE. We are seeing increased usage and the kids are still on the way home.
My 6th graders teacher gave the class a snow day assignment to research blizzards in Minnesota!!!!
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Just so we're all clear: The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure the details. The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things. To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours. Cheers, anthony Anthony Anderberg Sr. Systems Analyst [NUtel_email_logo_1] 320-234-5239 anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net<mailto:anthonyanderberg@nu-telecom.net> www.nutelecom.net From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Steve Howard Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:26 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test Martin, On 12/05/2013 08:14 AM, Hannigan, Martin wrote: Better question is why is our port usage public information. The weathermap has been discussed at various MICE UG meetings. I don't recall anybody indicating concerns with their data being made public. If you have issues with this, I'd think that we could make changes. Steve Jay? On Dec 4, 2013, at 21:58, "Frank Bulk" <fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM<mailto:fbulk@MYPREMIERONLINE.COM>> wrote: What’s the reason for heavier Akamai usage the last three mornings? <image001.png> Frank From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Dan Olsen Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:48 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Is Today The Test With schools closing in the southwest and snow statewide will this be the bandwidth test for MICE. We are seeing increased usage and the kids are still on the way home. My 6th graders teacher gave the class a snow day assignment to research blizzards in Minnesota!!!! Stay Safe Everyone Dan Olsen General Manager Windomnet City OF Windom & Southwest MN Broadband Services 443 10th St PO Box 38 Windom MN 56101 507-832-8007 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET<mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote: Just so we're all clear: The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure the details. The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things. We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please. To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours. If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed. http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337 I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear. Best, -M< ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
On 12/5/13, 18:47 , Hannigan, Martin wrote:
On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET <mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote:
Just so we're all clear: The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure the details. The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things.
We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please.
To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours.
If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed.
http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337 I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear.
Marty, There have been several discussions with the subject of stats, cacti graphs, etc on the list, since you subscribed in late 2011. So, it shouldn't be a complete surprise. But, I'll agree there wasn't a direct discussion of what graphs and statistics should be kept discussed on the list. And, yes, it may have been bad form for Frank to post a graph on the mailing list since it has a public archive. But, there is a basic password on the graphs themselves. So, that brings up a few things it wouldn't hurt to discuss; 1. Should the list archive be public? 2. If not, what security should the list archive have? 3. What graphs and statistics should be collected? 4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics? 5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics? 6. What is the proper etiquette regarding these graphs and statistics? Thanks. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
David, In no discussion was there a statement about this. We would simply ask to opt out. Best, Marty
On Dec 5, 2013, at 19:28, "David Farmer" <farmer@UMN.EDU> wrote:
On 12/5/13, 18:47 , Hannigan, Martin wrote:
On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET <mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote:
Just so we're all clear: The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure the details. The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things.
We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please.
To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours.
If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed.
http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337 I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear.
Marty,
There have been several discussions with the subject of stats, cacti graphs, etc on the list, since you subscribed in late 2011. So, it shouldn't be a complete surprise. But, I'll agree there wasn't a direct discussion of what graphs and statistics should be kept discussed on the list.
And, yes, it may have been bad form for Frank to post a graph on the mailing list since it has a public archive. But, there is a basic password on the graphs themselves.
So, that brings up a few things it wouldn't hurt to discuss;
1. Should the list archive be public?
2. If not, what security should the list archive have?
3. What graphs and statistics should be collected?
4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics?
5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics?
6. What is the proper etiquette regarding these graphs and statistics?
Thanks.
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Board, I haven't heard anything back on this. Can someone let me know where we intend to go with this? Best, -M< On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com> wrote:
David,
In no discussion was there a statement about this.
We would simply ask to opt out.
Best,
Marty
On Dec 5, 2013, at 19:28, "David Farmer" <farmer@UMN.EDU> wrote:
On 12/5/13, 18:47 , Hannigan, Martin wrote:
On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET <mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote:
Just so we're all clear: The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure the details. The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly robust. As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things.
We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please.
To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours.
If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed.
http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337 I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear.
Marty,
There have been several discussions with the subject of stats, cacti graphs, etc on the list, since you subscribed in late 2011. So, it shouldn't be a complete surprise. But, I'll agree there wasn't a direct discussion of what graphs and statistics should be kept discussed on the list.
And, yes, it may have been bad form for Frank to post a graph on the mailing list since it has a public archive. But, there is a basic password on the graphs themselves.
So, that brings up a few things it wouldn't hurt to discuss;
1. Should the list archive be public?
2. If not, what security should the list archive have?
3. What graphs and statistics should be collected?
4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics?
5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics?
6. What is the proper etiquette regarding these graphs and statistics?
Thanks.
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Martin- I will have a call with you to discuss this. Lets take it offline. Reid On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Hannigan, Martin <marty@akamai.com> wrote:
Board,
I haven't heard anything back on this. Can someone let me know where we intend to go with this?
Best,
-M<
On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:15 AM, "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com> wrote:
David,
In no discussion was there a statement about this.
We would simply ask to opt out.
Best,
Marty
On Dec 5, 2013, at 19:28, "David Farmer" <farmer@UMN.EDU> wrote:
On 12/5/13, 18:47 , Hannigan, Martin wrote:
On Dec 5, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Anthony Anderberg <anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET <mailto:anthonyanderberg@NU-TELECOM.NET>> wrote:
Just so we're all clear: The public graph is the aggregate graph that gets exported and linked from our home page. It's a stacked graph where everyone's piece is the same green color, partially for simplicity but mostly to obscure the details. The graph Frank posted is a similar stacked graph, but I've broken the traffic out a little (also its ingress vs egress as a way of checking accuracy.) This graph and the more detailed weathermap are password protected, although admittedly the password is not particularly
robust.
As Steve mentioned over the course of a couple UG meetings we'd decided that members should be able to see the exchange's traffic patterns, as they say sunlight can cure a great many things.
We weren't present at the UG's and I don't recall a list discussion. I don't recall being asked. It's non-standard for an IXP to do this. It should be opt in. I'd certainly like to opt out please.
To the original question, it looks like a number of us are up this week – I was thinking it might be holiday shopping. If anyone is on from Enventis they might want to consider upgrading their port, looks like it's almost at capacity in the evening hours.
If these are supposed to be behind lock and key, we failed.
http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1312&L=MICE-DISCUSS&F=&S=&P=1337
I'm not logged into anything and that's in the clear.
Marty,
There have been several discussions with the subject of stats, cacti graphs, etc on the list, since you subscribed in late 2011. So, it shouldn't be a complete surprise. But, I'll agree there wasn't a direct discussion of what graphs and statistics should be kept discussed on the list.
And, yes, it may have been bad form for Frank to post a graph on the mailing list since it has a public archive. But, there is a basic password on the graphs themselves.
So, that brings up a few things it wouldn't hurt to discuss;
1. Should the list archive be public?
2. If not, what security should the list archive have?
3. What graphs and statistics should be collected?
4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics?
5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics?
6. What is the proper etiquette regarding these graphs and statistics?
Thanks.
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Here are my answers to the questions David posed: On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 20:27 -0600, David Farmer wrote:
1. Should the list archive be public?
Yes.
3. What graphs and statistics should be collected?
The traffic graphs, plus I think error graphs should be added.
4. Who should have access to what graphs and statistics?
Whoever is delegated by the Board to administer Cacti has full access to Cacti. Whoever is delegated by the Board to administer the switches has read access to all graphs. Graphs are public, unless that network has asked to opt-out. If a network has opted-out, the graph is hidden from the public ("guest") user account. The aggregate graph (the one from the home page) is public, but should not separate traffic by colors or otherwise. That graph shall not show a "Current" or "Last" value. No other aggregates shall be public without further discussion. (A graph of a port facing a remote switch is not an "aggregate" graph for this purpose; it's a "network" graph.)
5. What is the proper security for the graphs and statistics?
Reasonable passwords for the non-public Cacti accounts. A randomly-generated password for SNMP between Cacti and the switches, ideally changed whenever someone is removed from the switch or Cacti delegations. -- Richard ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
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