Our BGP session over this new link went down Friday just before 6 pm. When I opened a ticket this was Google's response: ======================== We have informed you via G-127797702 Hello MICE (Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange), We have encountered issues with the following physical network link(s) you have with Google, to start troubleshooting and prevent any further impact to traffic we have removed traffic from the link(s). Please check the below list: Google ASN Your ASN Google Address Your Address Your Demarc Metro Problem Speed 15169 PX.MICE.ORD 206.108.255.167 Peering Exchange AS53679:CH1:05:000990:PP:0204:1238777 Ports 31,32 ORD Down 100 Gbps Tips for troubleshooting physical link problems: * Clean the interface optic and your patching path to the MMR. * Replace the interface optic. Please check your link(s) and attempt to resolve the problems described above. Thanks! ======================== Is someone from MICE performing the requested actions and/or looking into this? Kind regards, Frank Bulk FiberNet (ASN18883)
Frank, Yes, we received a notification from Google last night. We are looking into it. We are receiving light but no Ethernet framing. I am 99% sure the issue lies with their wave provider. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 10:52 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Our BGP session over this new link went down Friday just before 6 pm. When I opened a ticket this was Google’s response: ======================== We have informed you via G-127797702 Hello MICE (Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange), We have encountered issues with the following physical network link(s) you have with Google, to start troubleshooting and prevent any further impact to traffic we have removed traffic from the link(s). Please check the below list: Google ASNYour ASNGoogle AddressYour AddressYour DemarcMetroProblemSpeed 15169PX.MICE.ORD206.108.255.167Peering ExchangeAS53679:CH1:05:000990:PP:0204:1238777 Ports 31,32ORDDown100 Gbps Tips for troubleshooting physical link problems: · Clean the interface optic and your patching path to the MMR. · Replace the interface optic. Please check your link(s) and attempt to resolve the problems described above. Thanks! ======================== Is someone from MICE performing the requested actions and/or looking into this? Kind regards, Frank Bulk FiberNet (ASN18883) To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Yes, this is not the first time we've seen issues on these links. I did reach out to them and haven't gotten a response yet. On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote:
Frank,
Yes, we received a notification from Google last night. We are looking into it. We are receiving light but no Ethernet framing. I am 99% sure the issue lies with their wave provider.
Jeremy
*From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf Of *Frank Bulk *Sent:* Saturday, April 10, 2021 10:52 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago
Our BGP session over this new link went down Friday just before 6 pm. When I opened a ticket this was Google’s response:
========================
We have informed you via G-127797702
Hello MICE (Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange),
We have encountered issues with the following physical network link(s) you have with Google, to start troubleshooting and prevent any further impact to traffic we have removed traffic from the link(s). Please check the below list:
Google ASN
Your ASN
Google Address
Your Address
Your Demarc
Metro
Problem
Speed
15169
PX.MICE.ORD
206.108.255.167
Peering Exchange
AS53679:CH1:05:000990:PP:0204:1238777 Ports 31,32
ORD
Down
100 Gbps
Tips for troubleshooting physical link problems:
· Clean the interface optic and your patching path to the MMR.
· Replace the interface optic.
Please check your link(s) and attempt to resolve the problems described above.
Thanks! ========================
Is someone from MICE performing the requested actions and/or looking into this?
Kind regards,
Frank Bulk
FiberNet (ASN18883)
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Thanks! Interesting how an issue like this happens late on a Friday … if it happened by itself almost surely a bug or hardware issue. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:05 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Yes, this is not the first time we've seen issues on these links. I did reach out to them and haven't gotten a response yet. On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: Frank, Yes, we received a notification from Google last night. We are looking into it. We are receiving light but no Ethernet framing. I am 99% sure the issue lies with their wave provider. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 10:52 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Our BGP session over this new link went down Friday just before 6 pm. When I opened a ticket this was Google’s response: ======================== We have informed you via G-127797702 Hello MICE (Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange), We have encountered issues with the following physical network link(s) you have with Google, to start troubleshooting and prevent any further impact to traffic we have removed traffic from the link(s). Please check the below list: Google ASN Your ASN Google Address Your Address Your Demarc Metro Problem Speed 15169 PX.MICE.ORD 206.108.255.167 Peering Exchange AS53679:CH1:05:000990:PP:0204:1238777 Ports 31,32 ORD Down 100 Gbps Tips for troubleshooting physical link problems: • Clean the interface optic and your patching path to the MMR. • Replace the interface optic. Please check your link(s) and attempt to resolve the problems described above. Thanks! ======================== Is someone from MICE performing the requested actions and/or looking into this? Kind regards, Frank Bulk FiberNet (ASN18883) ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke@southfront.io<mailto:jayhanke@southfront.io> Phone 612-204-0000 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
The Google NOC reported to me that the 100G link was back up this afternoon. According to our logs, our IPv4 and IPv6 BGP sessions came back up at 3:36 and 3:37 pm, respectively. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:47 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [External GPC] Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Thanks! Interesting how an issue like this happens late on a Friday … if it happened by itself almost surely a bug or hardware issue. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:05 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Yes, this is not the first time we've seen issues on these links. I did reach out to them and haven't gotten a response yet. On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: Frank, Yes, we received a notification from Google last night. We are looking into it. We are receiving light but no Ethernet framing. I am 99% sure the issue lies with their wave provider. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 10:52 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Our BGP session over this new link went down Friday just before 6 pm. When I opened a ticket this was Google’s response: ======================== We have informed you via G-127797702 Hello MICE (Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange), We have encountered issues with the following physical network link(s) you have with Google, to start troubleshooting and prevent any further impact to traffic we have removed traffic from the link(s). Please check the below list: Google ASN Your ASN Google Address Your Address Your Demarc Metro Problem Speed 15169 PX.MICE.ORD 206.108.255.167 Peering Exchange AS53679:CH1:05:000990:PP:0204:1238777 Ports 31,32 ORD Down 100 Gbps Tips for troubleshooting physical link problems: • Clean the interface optic and your patching path to the MMR. • Replace the interface optic. Please check your link(s) and attempt to resolve the problems described above. Thanks! ======================== Is someone from MICE performing the requested actions and/or looking into this? Kind regards, Frank Bulk FiberNet (ASN18883) ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke@southfront.io<mailto:jayhanke@southfront.io> Phone 612-204-0000 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Ironically, also a Zayo issue with a DWDM node in Chicago.
On Apr 13, 2021, at 6:48 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk@mypremieronline.com> wrote:
The Google NOC reported to me that the 100G link was back up this afternoon.
According to our logs, our IPv4 and IPv6 BGP sessions came back up at 3:36 and 3:37 pm, respectively.
Frank
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:47 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [External GPC] Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago
Thanks! Interesting how an issue like this happens late on a Friday … if it happened by itself almost surely a bug or hardware issue.
Frank
From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:05 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago
Yes, this is not the first time we've seen issues on these links. I did reach out to them and haven't gotten a response yet.
On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote: Frank,
Yes, we received a notification from Google last night. We are looking into it. We are receiving light but no Ethernet framing. I am 99% sure the issue lies with their wave provider.
Jeremy
From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 10:52 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago
Our BGP session over this new link went down Friday just before 6 pm. When I opened a ticket this was Google’s response:
======================== We have informed you via G-127797702
Hello MICE (Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange),
We have encountered issues with the following physical network link(s) you have with Google, to start troubleshooting and prevent any further impact to traffic we have removed traffic from the link(s). Please check the below list: Google ASN Your ASN Google Address Your Address Your Demarc Metro Problem Speed 15169 PX.MICE.ORD 206.108.255.167 Peering Exchange AS53679:CH1:05:000990:PP:0204:1238777 Ports 31,32 ORD Down 100 Gbps
Tips for troubleshooting physical link problems:
· Clean the interface optic and your patching path to the MMR. · Replace the interface optic.
Please check your link(s) and attempt to resolve the problems described above.
Thanks! ========================
Is someone from MICE performing the requested actions and/or looking into this?
Kind regards,
Frank Bulk FiberNet (ASN18883)
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So that’s three different Zayo issues in two weeks: * Under-communicated maintenance starting at 10:02 pm * Google 100G between Chicago and Minneapolis * 288 fiber cut between Alton, IA and Worthington, MN Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Andrew Hoyos Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 6:53 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Ironically, also a Zayo issue with a DWDM node in Chicago. On Apr 13, 2021, at 6:48 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk@mypremieronline.com<mailto:fbulk@mypremieronline.com>> wrote: The Google NOC reported to me that the 100G link was back up this afternoon. According to our logs, our IPv4 and IPv6 BGP sessions came back up at 3:36 and 3:37 pm, respectively. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:47 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [External GPC] Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Thanks! Interesting how an issue like this happens late on a Friday … if it happened by itself almost surely a bug or hardware issue. Frank From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>> On Behalf Of Jay Hanke Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:05 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Yes, this is not the first time we've seen issues on these links. I did reach out to them and haven't gotten a response yet. On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com<mailto:jlumby@mnvoip.com>> wrote: Frank, Yes, we received a notification from Google last night. We are looking into it. We are receiving light but no Ethernet framing. I am 99% sure the issue lies with their wave provider. Jeremy From: MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET>] On Behalf Of Frank Bulk Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 10:52 AM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET<mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Our BGP session over this new link went down Friday just before 6 pm. When I opened a ticket this was Google’s response: ======================== We have informed you via G-127797702 Hello MICE (Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange), We have encountered issues with the following physical network link(s) you have with Google, to start troubleshooting and prevent any further impact to traffic we have removed traffic from the link(s). Please check the below list: Google ASN Your ASN Google Address Your Address Your Demarc Metro Problem Speed 15169 PX.MICE.ORD 206.108.255.167 Peering Exchange AS53679:CH1:05:000990:PP:0204:1238777 Ports 31,32 ORD Down 100 Gbps Tips for troubleshooting physical link problems: • Clean the interface optic and your patching path to the MMR. • Replace the interface optic. Please check your link(s) and attempt to resolve the problems described above. Thanks! ======================== Is someone from MICE performing the requested actions and/or looking into this? Kind regards, Frank Bulk FiberNet (ASN18883) ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke@southfront.io<mailto:jayhanke@southfront.io> Phone 612-204-0000 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
Mine is back up as of about an hour and 16 minutes ago (18:40 CST) *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Frank Bulk *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 7:10 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago So that’s three different Zayo issues in two weeks: - Under-communicated maintenance starting at 10:02 pm - Google 100G between Chicago and Minneapolis - 288 fiber cut between Alton, IA and Worthington, MN Frank *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Hoyos *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 6:53 PM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Ironically, also a Zayo issue with a DWDM node in Chicago. On Apr 13, 2021, at 6:48 PM, Frank Bulk <fbulk@mypremieronline.com> wrote: The Google NOC reported to me that the 100G link was back up this afternoon. According to our logs, our IPv4 and IPv6 BGP sessions came back up at 3:36 and 3:37 pm, respectively. Frank *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *Sent:* Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:47 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* [External GPC] Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Thanks! Interesting how an issue like this happens late on a Friday … if it happened by itself almost surely a bug or hardware issue. Frank *From:* MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> *On Behalf Of *Jay Hanke *Sent:* Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:05 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Yes, this is not the first time we've seen issues on these links. I did reach out to them and haven't gotten a response yet. On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jeremy Lumby <jlumby@mnvoip.com> wrote: Frank, Yes, we received a notification from Google last night. We are looking into it. We are receiving light but no Ethernet framing. I am 99% sure the issue lies with their wave provider. Jeremy *From:* MICE Discuss [mailto:MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET] *On Behalf Of *Frank Bulk *Sent:* Saturday, April 10, 2021 10:52 AM *To:* MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET *Subject:* [MICE-DISCUSS] Google's new 100G from Chicago Our BGP session over this new link went down Friday just before 6 pm. When I opened a ticket this was Google’s response: ======================== We have informed you via G-127797702 Hello MICE (Midwest Internet Cooperative Exchange), We have encountered issues with the following physical network link(s) you have with Google, to start troubleshooting and prevent any further impact to traffic we have removed traffic from the link(s). Please check the below list: Google ASN Your ASN Google Address Your Address Your Demarc Metro Problem Speed 15169 PX.MICE.ORD 206.108.255.167 Peering Exchange AS53679:CH1:05:000990:PP:0204:1238777 Ports 31,32 ORD Down 100 Gbps Tips for troubleshooting physical link problems: · Clean the interface optic and your patching path to the MMR. · Replace the interface optic. Please check your link(s) and attempt to resolve the problems described above. Thanks! ======================== Is someone from MICE performing the requested actions and/or looking into this? Kind regards, Frank Bulk FiberNet (ASN18883) ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 -- Jay Hanke, President South Front Networks jayhanke@southfront.io Phone 612-204-0000 ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1 ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the MICE-DISCUSS list, click the following link: http://lists.iphouse.net/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=MICE-DISCUSS&A=1
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