The following is from Ryan Goldberg of Compudyne: ---- Compudyne/AS47096 is interested in operating a MICE remote switch in Duluth. We have two 10G paths from 511 to Duluth (one on Charter, one on Enventis) in a ring of 5 Juniper MX boxes (2 at 511, 3 in Duluth – the 3 in Duluth are interconnected over dark fiber). We hit a little over 5G on 5min averages in total between the two 511<->Duluth legs. Latency is 4-5ms. We currently participate in MICE via MNVoip’s extension, mainly because it makes more overall sense to pick up MICE + SIX + Denver + KC all on one interface (for now). We’d probable leave it like that for a while. For the proposed extension switch we’d do a two site VPLS config on the MXes, with on a fresh, dedicated 10gig port at 511 and corresponding 10gig port in Duluth. We’d start with an EX4200-24F in Duluth, and run the usual Juniper-y stuff (from http://micemn.net/technical.html). Initial participants would only be on 1gig ports on the 4200. As for location, we’re currently leaning toward “the Missabe Building” at 227 W 1st St, Duluth, MN – this is our primary downtown Duluth POP, and aside from our fiber, and there’s high-count fiber from at least 5 other carriers in the building. The space has dual AC and is backed by generator power. Upgrade path is 100G 511<->Duluth, at least on one leg. If business drives it, we’ll just do it. Otherwise it’s budgeted for next year. As for the switch, we’d move to a ex4550. ---- Without taking any position on this here yet, I'd like to highlight a couple of facts: The proposed transport is over a VPLS link (i.e. shared with other traffic, not a dedicated wave). In the past, and quite possibly still, we have had participants connected over shared links, but not entire remote switches. -- Richard
Good evening, I represent 2 different networks in different capacities, AS53740 (optbit, personal research and education) and AS3789 (Essentia Health, https://www.essentiahealth.org/about/). Both networks are based out of Duluth and neither of them are current members of MICE. A remote switch in Duluth would lower the barrier to entry for a number of organizations that provide regional content and resources. For AS3789, it would mean providing better access to telehealth resources in a traditionally underserved region where high latencies and low bandwidth have caused slow adoption. I would be in favor of a remote switch in Duluth. Thanks, Abhi -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 2:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] RFC: Remote Switch in Duluth The following is from Ryan Goldberg of Compudyne: ---- Compudyne/AS47096 is interested in operating a MICE remote switch in Duluth. We have two 10G paths from 511 to Duluth (one on Charter, one on Enventis) in a ring of 5 Juniper MX boxes (2 at 511, 3 in Duluth – the 3 in Duluth are interconnected over dark fiber). We hit a little over 5G on 5min averages in total between the two 511<->Duluth legs. Latency is 4-5ms. We currently participate in MICE via MNVoip’s extension, mainly because it makes more overall sense to pick up MICE + SIX + Denver + KC all on one interface (for now). We’d probable leave it like that for a while. For the proposed extension switch we’d do a two site VPLS config on the MXes, with on a fresh, dedicated 10gig port at 511 and corresponding 10gig port in Duluth. We’d start with an EX4200-24F in Duluth, and run the usual Juniper-y stuff (from http://micemn.net/technical.html). Initial participants would only be on 1gig ports on the 4200. As for location, we’re currently leaning toward “the Missabe Building” at 227 W 1st St, Duluth, MN – this is our primary downtown Duluth POP, and aside from our fiber, and there’s high-count fiber from at least 5 other carriers in the building. The space has dual AC and is backed by generator power. Upgrade path is 100G 511<->Duluth, at least on one leg. If business drives it, we’ll just do it. Otherwise it’s budgeted for next year. As for the switch, we’d move to a ex4550. ---- Without taking any position on this here yet, I'd like to highlight a couple of facts: The proposed transport is over a VPLS link (i.e. shared with other traffic, not a dedicated wave). In the past, and quite possibly still, we have had participants connected over shared links, but not entire remote switches. -- Richard
This message is one-part "no opposition" to this request as long as standard expectations and policies are adhered to. This message is also one-part "pulse check" as the list has been rather silent the last few weeks. Hopefully that just means no problems and everyone is busy taking care of their respective business. ________________________________ From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> on behalf of Abhi Devireddy <abhi@DEVIREDDY.COM> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 5:30 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: Re: [MICE-DISCUSS] RFC: Remote Switch in Duluth Good evening, I represent 2 different networks in different capacities, AS53740 (optbit, personal research and education) and AS3789 (Essentia Health, https://www.essentiahealth.org/about/). Both networks are based out of Duluth and neither of them are current members of MICE. A remote switch in Duluth would lower the barrier to entry for a number of organizations that provide regional content and resources. For AS3789, it would mean providing better access to telehealth resources in a traditionally underserved region where high latencies and low bandwidth have caused slow adoption. I would be in favor of a remote switch in Duluth. Thanks, Abhi -----Original Message----- From: MICE Discuss <MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET> On Behalf Of Richard Laager Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 2:52 PM To: MICE-DISCUSS@LISTS.IPHOUSE.NET Subject: [MICE-DISCUSS] RFC: Remote Switch in Duluth The following is from Ryan Goldberg of Compudyne: ---- Compudyne/AS47096 is interested in operating a MICE remote switch in Duluth. We have two 10G paths from 511 to Duluth (one on Charter, one on Enventis) in a ring of 5 Juniper MX boxes (2 at 511, 3 in Duluth - the 3 in Duluth are interconnected over dark fiber). We hit a little over 5G on 5min averages in total between the two 511<->Duluth legs. Latency is 4-5ms. We currently participate in MICE via MNVoip's extension, mainly because it makes more overall sense to pick up MICE + SIX + Denver + KC all on one interface (for now). We'd probable leave it like that for a while. For the proposed extension switch we'd do a two site VPLS config on the MXes, with on a fresh, dedicated 10gig port at 511 and corresponding 10gig port in Duluth. We'd start with an EX4200-24F in Duluth, and run the usual Juniper-y stuff (from http://micemn.net/technical.html). Initial participants would only be on 1gig ports on the 4200. As for location, we're currently leaning toward "the Missabe Building" at 227 W 1st St, Duluth, MN - this is our primary downtown Duluth POP, and aside from our fiber, and there's high-count fiber from at least 5 other carriers in the building. The space has dual AC and is backed by generator power. Upgrade path is 100G 511<->Duluth, at least on one leg. If business drives it, we'll just do it. Otherwise it's budgeted for next year. As for the switch, we'd move to a ex4550. ---- Without taking any position on this here yet, I'd like to highlight a couple of facts: The proposed transport is over a VPLS link (i.e. shared with other traffic, not a dedicated wave). In the past, and quite possibly still, we have had participants connected over shared links, but not entire remote switches. -- Richard
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Abhi Devireddy -
Justin Krejci -
Richard Laager